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Does Vince Young improve the rivalry?

TexanSam

TexanSam

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With the Titans drafting Vince Young, do you think it makes the rivalry between the Texans and the Titans even bigger from the fans perspective? I think it does. There's going to be some UT fans regardless who are going to go ga-ga over Vince Young anytime he steps on the field, but for the most part, I think Texans fans will want the Titans to lose even more now with Vince Young. Not sure why, just a gut feeling. What do you thinK?
 
As a member of the Fightin' Texas Aggie class of '10.... I have to say that I can't wait to see how much pain our Texans inflict upon Mr. Invincible!
 
Again, this is a one sided rivalry. We have all kinds of reasons to "hate" the Titans, and the only reason they have to hate us, is that we hate them.

Putting too much into it makes us look stupid. You can't call it a rivalry, if you're getting whupped 3 games to one. Dallas is more of a rivalry now, and we only play them once every 4 years.

But, to answer your question. To me, Vince being their starter makes this no more important to me than any other divisional game. I like Vince, but I like Peyton as well. Sort of a professional courtesy.

I believe we'll get the win this week, because we're actually the better team, with more talent. Vince's super powers won't be able to take that team to very many wins until next year. This year, it's on us to lose the game.
 
i dont hate Houston...............or its fans............I lived there for ten yrs and had season tix to Buds team.............I know the history well and I have my own thoughts about the real reasons why Houston hates Bud.............but that is another issue................people in TN really like all other fans and they open their arms to opposition fans..............the only fans they cant stand are Raven and Jag fans.............sine Jag fans dont travel we dont have to deal with them...............Nov 12 we get a city full of Baltimorons...........and ratbird fans
 
thunderkyss said:
Again, this is a one sided rivalry. We have all kinds of reasons to "hate" the Titans, and the only reason they have to hate us, is that we hate them.
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Crap I have to agree with tk--j/k. The only budding rivalry we have is with the Jags because of games exactly like last weekend--they should win but don't, they could get into the playoffs but don't. The Titans are way up on us at 6-2. Nobody in TN feels the rivalry is bigger because they got a guy from Houston--why would they say anything but thanks? Sure it makes some fans around here po'd but just like with Dallas--can't have a one sided rivalry.
 
My mama taught me not to hate, but I think she would have an exception for the Titans.

I hate the Titans. I hate everything they stand for. I hate their name and their goofy logo. Their mere existence is a reminder of the worst aspects of the NFL.

I like Vince Young, like I liked Steve McNair. It pains me that Young plays for IMO, a vulgarian traitorous dirtbag owner who might possibly ruin him as a QB, or at a minimum kick him to the curb in a classless way like he did with McNair. I hope that Vince Young has a career of fat stats on a loser team. Until Bud kicks him to the curb and then he goes on to win a Super Bowl somewhere else. A girl can dream, can't she?

I feel sorry for Titan fans because they have Bud Adams as an owner. I remember what it is like to love a team but be embarassed by its ill-dressed, cheap, uncouth, foot-in-mouth owner.

I don't know about rivalry. I want to beat the snot outta all divisional opponents. I just take some extra bit of joy everytime something bad happens to the Titans. I don't know, are there levels of despisedness?

The NFL is just more fun when you loathe teams.
 
Texans_Chick said:
My mama taught me not to hate, but I think she would have an exception for the Titans.

I hate the Titans. I hate everything they stand for. I hate their name and their goofy logo. Their mere existence is a reminder of the worst aspects of the NFL.

I like Vince Young, like I liked Steve McNair. It pains me that Young plays for IMO, a vulgarian traitorous dirtbag owner who might possibly ruin him as a QB, or at a minimum kick him to the curb in a classless way like he did with McNair. I hope that Vince Young has a career of fat stats on a loser team. Until Bud kicks him to the curb and then he goes on to win a Super Bowl somewhere else. A girl can dream, can't she?

I feel sorry for Titan fans because they have Bud Adams as an owner. I remember what it is like to love a team but be embarassed by its ill-dressed, cheap, uncouth, foot-in-mouth owner.

I don't know about rivalry. I want to beat the snot outta all divisional opponents. I just take some extra bit of joy everytime something bad happens to the Titans. I don't know, are there levels of despisedness?

The NFL is just more fun when you loathe teams.
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What makes all sports great, from a fan's perspective, is emotion. When you care about a team or player, it makes everything a lot more fun, and painful (for us Texans anyway). It works the same way when you really dont like someone, like the Jags, Cowboys, and the Titans. I wasnt around for the Oilers and Bud Adams, but I still hate the Titans and am going to enjoy this weekend all the more when we beat em.
 
Our rivalry with Tennesse is very weird.

Not sure how to sum it up but let's put it like this.

Tennesse Titans
I hate the owner.
I hate the players and I like to see them lose. (I like VY, but Pacman and the hoods I can't stand.)
I don't hate the city or the state
I don't hate the fans.
I don't hate the coach.
BUT, I still feel some strange childhood, deeply suppressed emotional thing, that makes me want to see some magic from the columbia blue. I haven't seen them in the throw backs but if they wear that against the Texans that would be very very wrong...like feeding a cow a plate full of beef.

Dallas Cowboys
I find the owner entertaining.
I find the players and team entertaining & enjoy watching them lose. (I like guys like Roy & Ware)
I hate the city of Dallas. Big hair, high crime, very few trees, the mavs, yuck etc.
I really really hate the fans. Both loud and fair weather at the same time.
The coach has boobs.

Jacksonville Jaguars
I don't know the owner.
No issues with the players, but for some strange reason I get more joy out of seeing this team lose than all others. No clue why.
I respect the coach.
No issue with the city of Jacksonville, if anything they remind me of Houston 25-30 years ago...very low self esteem as a city and haven't found their identity yet.
The fans are the most immature in the entire NFL. Not loud but childish. Visit their forums for tons of evidence of this...they have a nickname for every team...tinhorns etc.
I love beating these guys because for some reason neither the team or their fans are able to show respect for the Texans. Hopefully that has changed after another beat down.
 
TexanSam said:
With the Titans drafting Vince Young, do you think it makes the rivalry between the Texans and the Titans even bigger from the fans perspective? I think it does.
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I agree. Just being a division rival and playing them twice a year makes it a rivalry, but adding the addition of Bud Adams and now Vince Young sweetens the deal.
 
TexansLucky13 said:
As a member of the Fightin' Texas Aggie class of '10.... I have to say that I can't wait to see how much pain our Texans inflict upon Mr. Invincible!
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as a member of the aggie class of 2010 are you going to stop being a texan fan when we draft some longhorns? vince is not in college anymore, get over it. that being said, i think vince being from houston and one of the best players to come out of houston in a long time will just add to the rivalry. But what will really improve the rivalry is when both teams have winning records with something more than just bragging rights on the line.
 
Never liked the Oilers, but the Titans wore Columbia Blue in the games in Houston. That ain't right. Then they drafted VY, who came out of my favorite college. That ain't right. I don't hate them, but I sure don't respect them.
 
Im not worried about Vince one bit I think we made the right choice keeping Carr I know Vince is in his rookie year and hasnt played many games but he has one of the worst quarterback ratings in the NFL hes not gonna be any better than McNair was, where we screwed up was not picking Bush , Bush has helped out the Saints allot just by being there.
 
JAX will probably end up being our real rival. We always play them tough, no matter the circumstances. We put them out of the playoffs in shutout fashion. They won't admit to it but that's how it eventually will be.
 
Once an plaer puts on the pro jerse, I don't care what college he played for. I dont hate TEN for having Young. Do you think Panther fans hate us for drafting Williams? Young is a Titan, and I will root for him to fail like all other Titan players, and all other teams in our division. I do hate the Cowboys though.
 
mexican_texan said:
Never liked the Oilers, but the Titans wore Columbia Blue in the games in Houston. That ain't right. Then they drafted VY, who came out of my favorite college. That ain't right. I don't hate them, but I sure don't respect them.
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Baltimore.... Pittsburgh..... to me, that's just a divisional game. Like the Giants Cowboys.

They aren't real rivals, like Pittsburgh/Cleveland...... or Dallas/Washington those are rivalries, throw the record out the window, and expect a few injuries when it's over.
 
Double Barrel said:
I agree. Just being a division rival and playing them twice a year makes it a rivalry, but adding the addition of Bud Adams and now Vince Young sweetens the deal.
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Dude you are kama sutra multipositional after claiming the Texans had no rivals even the Jags. What happened to your high rivalry standard?
 
I don't believe vince Young makes it a better rivalry because he hasn't proven anything yet. Steve McNair made it a better rivalry because he is ALL PRO....vince is nowhere near that level yet and only time will tell if he lives up to all of the hype.

I admit what he did in college last yr was spectacular.....but that's college. Ask Michael Vick how tough the transition is to the pros (and he's WAY more talented than Young)

Don't get me wrong I like Young and I think he'll be a fine player, but it's premature to say he improves the Titans/Texans rivalry before he's actually played us.

IMO we have a pro bowl caliber QB in DC and I'm looking forward to seeing him silence the critics that wanted to dump him for Young. For now the Young hype is just that.......hype :cool:
 
Vinny said:
It's more evidence pointing to the power of Vince Young.
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OK--I finally get it--all positions bend toward VY. It's a mecca=VY thing.

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Vince Young is my favorite college player of all time.

That said, I hope we kick the Titans ass & Vince throws for 300 yds... next week.
 
It depends on if you are Longhorn fan as for me it is enough just to stick it to Adams besides all the Oilers are no longer with the team so it's all about the Bud.
 
To me this is our true rivalry. I know we play the jags tough everytime, and the games with the cowgirls are important to us, but this is against Bud's boys. I cant believe I said his dam name, I feel dirty.

VY adds to it, but unfortunately it will just mean more titan jerseys at Reliant.
 
bah007 said:
Vince Young is my favorite college player of all time.

That said, I hope we kick the Titans ass & Vince throws for 300 yds... next week.
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I like Vince and all too, but I'd rather complete domination. I don't want my team to be the first team to give up 300 yards to Vince in any form or fashion.

I don't believe he'll be good enough to get 300 yds any which way this year anyhow..... but if it were possible, I'd rather see him do it to the Colts, or the Jags... never to Houston.
 
dtran04 said:
JAX will probably end up being our real rival. We always play them tough, no matter the circumstances. We put them out of the playoffs in shutout fashion. They won't admit to it but that's how it eventually will be.
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To answer the original question......IMO, V.Y. does improve the rivalry. It's a no brainer that we can't stand the Titans. But, with that being said, I think that we need to set our sights alot higher. Until the Colts become the big rivalry, we aren't going to any super bowls. When the Oilers played Pittsburgh, we knew that it was our super bowl game. Likewise with the Colts.
 
I think he improves it because this is a pretty one-sided rivalry, but I am confident that in VY's mind, he wants a win on the team that ignored his pleas to pick him and instead drafted some defensive player. I am sure he will step up his game during both bouts, and this will only make the rivalry deeper and less one-sided.
 
If not a rivalry in the minds of the players, which I doubt, there is a rivalry amongst the fans percolating. VY and MW will always be attached at the hip for the way the 2006 draft played out and their obvious high ceiling of potential. Exciting times are around the corner.
 
One thing Vince does is he keeps Houston fans liking the Titans.

I don't know if it improves the rivalry, but it does add another twist.
 
I am Texan fan..Period.. VY and the Titans are the enemy this week.....Period..... With that said, I hope VY is on his back more than a cheap prost*****..... Afte the game. No love, No hate, just get ready for the next opponent until the Tacks come here..

PS.... May Bud loose his squirrel rug........
 
I admit what he did in college last yr was spectacular.....but that's college. Ask Michael Vick how tough the transition is to the pros (and he's WAY more talented than Young)
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Why because of his 4 touchdown game this past weekend? Or could it be because he had never threw for even 3 in a game before that? It may just be a difference of opinion but I don't remotely think that Vick is more talented than Vince Young.

disclaimer: I did not want the Texans to draft VY, or Reggie Bush. Would have been happy with either (other than the fact that I really want DC to succeed), as I am happy with the choice of Mario Williams.
 
VY has way more upside than Vick at this point. Vick has been slow to pick up the NFL pass game while VY was for more accomplished in college than Vick every was. I think Vick is an avg NFL QB while VY has the chance to be a great one................morevoer anyone with Sirius radio may have heard Fisher this morning..............he confirmed nationally what I said here earlier.............VY is way ahead of schedule and he will be given line call duties this week and the keys to the full Offense. Should be a fun game to watch for both teams fans.
 
Pac played TO pretty well. TGlenn hurt him. AJ is not in TO league. He is your best player but I am confident Adam can hold him in check. AJ will hurt us but he wont beat us alone. I think Carr will have alot to prove. the Texans are going to have to stop the run game and then prepare for the VY package............throws and runs.............that will take alot of their edge play comletely away. Outside of AJ the Texans cubbards are bare. But I am very anxious to see how the Texans play VY.
 
Bongo59 said:
Pac played TO pretty well. TGlenn hurt him. AJ is not in TO league. He is your best player but I am confident Adam can hold him in check.
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Thank God for that.

AJ will light up your world, son. Just ask the Jags or anyone else who have ever experienced Andre catching the impossible.

I will die before I let a Titans fan try to downplay AJ.
 
TexansLucky13 said:
Thank God for that.

AJ will light up your world, son.
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I think bongo is my age or older...sonnyboy. I think his son is older than you. :)

To answer the question of the thread....yeah, VY improves the rivalry. From the Houston based Aggie-hater crowd to the UT homerfans....to the simple fact that he is a Houstonian and is such a high visibility player....he improves the rivalry immensely.
 
Pac played TO pretty well. TGlenn hurt him. AJ is not in TO league. He is your best player but I am confident Adam can hold him in check. AJ will hurt us but he wont beat us alone. I think Carr will have alot to prove. the Texans are going to have to stop the run game and then prepare for the VY package............throws and runs.............that will take alot of their edge play comletely away. Outside of AJ the Texans cubbards are bare. But I am very anxious to see how the Texans play VY.
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Well AJ is definately in Glenn's league. TO had a bad game or he would destroy PacMan. It really irks me to see someone say that AJ is not in TO's league. TO is a terror on and off the field, and IMO he is not in AJ's league. Yeah, it's a little homerish but that's the way I feel. And I really hope you all think our cupboards are bare after AJ. Just forget about Moulds and see what that gets you. Forget about Owen Daniels. Hell, forget about David Carr....:rolleyes:
 
I saw the game film form the Jags game.............AJ lit up Brian Williams more than Rashean...............the biggest factor in AJ success was that Donvan Darius did not break up the long bomb to AJ in the endzone............he infact never even hit him which in and of itself was shocking.............the Jags D and Lefty played very badly and you guys took full advantage.............but I dont think AJ is a WR who is going to put up 180 yds and 3 TD's and single handedly kill us..............Everyone in Titan land knows I am not a big Adam Jones supporter................but He is not close to as bad as hill.................if Hill is on AJ............he could have 200 yds and 4 TD's...............and I am not kidding. Adam will draw AJ just about all day.
 
Chance_C said:
Well AJ is definately in Glenn's league. TO had a bad game or he would destroy PacMan. It really irks me to see someone say that AJ is not in TO's league. TO is a terror on and off the field, and IMO he is not in AJ's league. Yeah, it's a little homerish but that's the way I feel. And I really hope you all think our cupboards are bare after AJ. Just forget about Moulds and see what that gets you. Forget about Owen Daniels. Hell, forget about David Carr....:rolleyes:
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AJ has TO talent but he has been held back by Carr and the OL..............and not much has changed............Carr has improved statistically but he is playing small ball...........AJ is designed for big ball.................the Texans have not had a major win just throwing it all over the place because the OL is way below avg, When was the last time Carr and AJ lead the team to a 4th Q win throwing.................how about never.............that is the reason AJ wont be put in the elite WR class..................individually he has unreal talent.............but talent alone without team wont get you to elite status in football...................that limits AJ's plays and why TO is better.
 
Bongo59 said:
AJ has TO talent but he has been held back by Carr and the OL..............and not much has changed............Carr has improved statistically but he is playing small ball...........AJ is designed for big ball.................the Texans have not had a major win just throwing it all over the place because the OL is way below avg, When was the last time Carr and AJ lead the team to a 4th Q win throwing.................how about never.............that is the reason AJ wont be put in the elite WR class..................individually he has unreal talent.............but talent alone without team wont get you to elite status in football...................that limits AJ's plays and why TO is better.
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I think Carr has three games (one was against you guys) with more than 2TD, and plus 201 yards in a victory in around 70 NFL starts. He has improved but he hasn't been able to carry a team to victory...yet at least. baby steps...baby steps.
 
I think the rivalry with Tennessee is one sided because of the hatred for Bud Adams.

To be honest, a rivalry is budding more with Jacksonville because we have beaten them at very meaningful times of the year.... with more consequence.

It is tough to get in a huge rivalry when both teams like the Titans and Texans are really just reforming... there hasn't been as much of a dire need to win the game in terms of playoffs.

It's the same reason why the Indy matchups are one sided rivalries.

Personally, I like the rivalry with Jacksonville more (1) because we are winning it 5-4 and (2) the team is more competitive and the more we compete with them, the more respect and confidence our team gets. Every win against them has been a major confidence booster.
 
Bongo59 said:
AJ has TO talent but he has been held back by Carr and the OL..............and not much has changed............Carr has improved statistically but he is playing small ball...........AJ is designed for big ball.................the Texans have not had a major win just throwing it all over the place because the OL is way below avg, When was the last time Carr and AJ lead the team to a 4th Q win throwing.................how about never.............that is the reason AJ wont be put in the elite WR class..................individually he has unreal talent.............but talent alone without team wont get you to elite status in football...................that limits AJ's plays and why TO is better.
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Anaylsis of the OL and Carr go not to whether TO is better than AJ but why he should be more productive except let's see AJ 47 rec. (7.8 per game), 591 yds (98.5 ypg), 3 TD's vs TO 28 rec. (4.6 per game), 375 yds (62.5 ypg), 5 TD's (and let's face it 3 of those came against the Texans). At least thru the 1st 3rd of the season the more productive argument isn't flying.
 
IMO VY does make this more of a rivalry. Reason: When he had the nerve to say ,"I can't wait till we go to Houston and we can whip up on them Texans", a Comment that is probably hanging on the walls in reliant while we practice this week. LIke my dad used to tell me Vince, "Be careful what you ask for,someone may be listening. And I think we all heard it loud and clear....Crystal clear!!!!:hunter: :chicken: :shoot:
 
infantrycak said:
Anaylsis of the OL and Carr go not to whether TO is better than AJ but why he should be more productive except let's see AJ 47 rec. (7.8 per game), 591 yds (98.5 ypg), 3 TD's vs TO 28 rec. (4.6 per game), 375 yds (62.5 ypg), 5 TD's (and let's face it 3 of those came against the Texans). At least thru the 1st 3rd of the season the more productive argument isn't flying.
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True for this yr.............hoiw about we go back to his rookie yr and compare and see if he is an elite WR.............he is not. And that is more on his caches and teammates.............he needs to to do it over time to be considered elite.............right now he is a very talent player who must be accounted for with your own best player in your secondary. Still cant believe the Jags left Williams on him as much as they did..................Adam will draw him 90% of the time Sunday.
 
infantrycak said:
Dude you are kama sutra multipositional after claiming the Texans had no rivals even the Jags. What happened to your high rivalry standard?
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I still maintain that the Texans don't have a true rivalry with anyone, not in the classic NFL sense.

But to fans and a greenhorn team without a winning record in it's history, we have to make mountains out of molehills (like making a big deal that we just won back-to-back home games for the first time in franchise history :yawn: wooohoo! )

Read my original post carefully, my friend, and you will see clarity (bolded by me for assistance in understanding):

Double Barrel said:
TexanSam said:
With the Titans drafting Vince Young, do you think it makes the rivalry between the Texans and the Titans even bigger from the fans perspective? I think it does.
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I agree. Just being a division rival and playing them twice a year makes it a rivalry, but adding the addition of Bud Adams and now Vince Young sweetens the deal.
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I should have added "from the fans perspective" after "Just being a division rival and playing them twice a year makes it a rivalry". I was agreeing with his premise of a fan-based rivalry, but nothing else.

I doubt the players could care less. It's another game in the NFL, but nothing special about it because we've never had anything special to base a real rivalry upon.

There are "rivalries", and then there are RIVALRIES. We have the former in fan's minds, but this team's short history has not allowed it to develop the latter. :shades:
 
Vinny said:
I think Carr has three games (one was against you guys) with more than 2TD, and plus 201 yards in a victory in around 70 NFL starts. He has improved but he hasn't been able to carry a team to victory...yet at least. baby steps...baby steps.
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That I believe is very interesting. How long has Carr been in the league?

This segways to the point of this thread. VY will improve the rivalry because there will be fans who will always compare him to Carr or to MW. Especially if VY has the type of career I believe he is capable of having.

I thought about what the other poster said about VY having a 300yd game this weekend. And I believe it can be possible. Especially if the Texans in essence "dare" him to throw the ball. And as Fisher said on Sirius this morning VY is improving greatly.

Bottom line is there will always be a rivalry because of Houstons hate towards Bud Adams. Even though IMO Hou did nothing to keep him here.
 
kcwilson said:
I think the rivalry with Tennessee is one sided because of the hatred for Bud Adams.

To be honest, a rivalry is budding more with Jacksonville because we have beaten them at very meaningful times of the year.... with more consequence.

It is tough to get in a huge rivalry when both teams like the Titans and Texans are really just reforming... there hasn't been as much of a dire need to win the game in terms of playoffs.

It's the same reason why the Indy matchups are one sided rivalries.

Personally, I like the rivalry with Jacksonville more (1) because we are winning it 5-4 and (2) the team is more competitive and the more we compete with them, the more respect and confidence our team gets. Every win against them has been a major confidence booster.
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completely agree with this.............Titan fans actually like Texans fans.............after all we have your old team and in 99 many wanted to share it with Houston..........I still tailgate with 8 Houston guys who remain Titan fans even though they hate Bud...............they still root for the Texans but when they play they go for the deep roots.......I am in the same boat..........................and bud has been dead quiet in TN going on a decade now.............
 
Bongo59 said:
Pac played TO pretty well. TGlenn hurt him. AJ is not in TO league. He is your best player but I am confident Adam can hold him in check. AJ will hurt us but he wont beat us alone. I think Carr will have alot to prove. the Texans are going to have to stop the run game and then prepare for the VY package............throws and runs.............that will take alot of their edge play comletely away. Outside of AJ the Texans cubbards are bare. But I am very anxious to see how the Texans play VY.
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If T.O. had a bad game, it's because Drew didn't want to throw him the ball. They had to threaten his job to get him to throw the ball to T.O. in the Philly game, then he threw everything to him.

But we've got the most Accurate passer in the league throwing to his #1 guy..... we'll definitely see what Pac-Man is made of.

I do agree, that if we play like we had the first three weeks of the season, very undisciplined, & everybody biting on every fake, then yes Vince can & probably will have a huge day. But if we stop your run, & I'm pretty sure we can, the game is ours.

I gaurantee you this.... after the game this Sunday, ESPN, and the whole football world is going to either say, "That's why they passed on Reggie Bush, because the system works" or, "Well, the Titans have the worst Run defense in the league, what did you expect"
 
V-MAN said:
That I believe is very interesting. How long has Carr been in the league?

This segways to the point of this thread. VY will improve the rivalry because there will be fans who will always compare him to Carr or to MW. Especially if VY has the type of career I believe he is capable of having.

I thought about what the other poster said about VY having a 300yd game this weekend. And I believe it can be possible. Especially if the Texans in essence "dare" him to throw the ball. And as Fisher said on Sirius this morning VY is improving greatly.

Bottom line is there will always be a rivalry because of Houstons hate towards Bud Adams. Even though IMO Hou did nothing to keep him here.
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Carr has done it once in a game in Nashville with huge numbers but it was in 03 and after the game was over at the half............Mac threw for 400 yds and Mason had three long TD's................Carr got over 250 yds in garbage time and If I remember one was a long TD to Armstrong..........he finished with over 300yds if I am not mistaken.........he had stats yes but none mattered.................you have to have Carr do it when it counts...........and to date...........he has not shown that
 
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