Should we try to get TJ Duckett from Washington? I only ask because I think we should have a pounder like him and Washington isn't using him so why not. Other than our D stopping the run, and tightening up on pass defense that's the only missing piece IMO to have a more complete setup and get wins after things fall in place. We can also rotate with Jameel Cook. So once we get a HB to step up and hopefully be able to catch out of the backfield it may help. Good move or why bother?
Keep Texans Talk Google Ad Free!
Venmo Tip Jar | Paypal Tip Jar
Thanks for your support! 🍺😎👍
Week 6 trade deadline (TJ)
- Thread starter Cheroqui
- Start date
Mattheus_Rex
Waterboy
But the question is, what do we have that Washington wants. I think they gave up quite a bit to get him.
Scooter
Funky
i'd say no. unless i'm mixing players, he's the big load from atlanta, and we've already got a pair of that player in dayne & gado. it's a bit odd that i find myself saying it, given my stance of the past few years, but if anything we'd want a change of pace speedster at this point. we are hurting for a fullback, but that's not duckett's strong suit. if we're going to trade for anyone, it needs to be on the offensive line and in the defensive secondary.
Mattheus_Rex
Waterboy
I think the o line will be fine after they've had some time to work together.
Mattheus_Rex
Waterboy
No I never said gel. I hate gel. I'm just one of those people who doesn't expect to go from a 2-14 season and an oline that falls down on the snap to a post season spot in one year.
Scooter
Funky
wand. the ONLY thing wand didnt have was a mean streak ... i'm willing to bet that the prospect of not playing anymore is plenty motivation to bring that out of him. i'll be extremely disappointed if we dont bring him back at this point.
slamdunc
Noob
I agree Grid...what the heck are they doing without TE help or at least chip with a RB? It's not like Jason Taylor has a history of getting to the QB in this league!
obviously there was something else they didn't like about Wand. I figured after Spencer got hurt, we'd get Wand back in here, but we didn't.
As for Runningback, I say stay put with Gado, Dayne & Lundy. I believe our run game suffered more because of our OLine than our backs...... there just wasn't many holes for them to run through. And Dayne, I think, does a great job of making something out of nothing.
We've seen what he can do when he gets a crease.......
Let's not sell the Miami defense short though..... they've got a few Probowlers who've made a living against the run.
Unless you think Miami should unload RonnieBrown.
I guess so. Too bad his good play on the field this pre-season doesn't overcome whatever it is the coaches don't like. It isn't like he is a criminal or some other type of troublemaker. Just the opposite, apparently.
Carr was talking about his arm being numb after a couple of his throws because he was getting hit hard even on successful plays. Hopefully the coaches do something to upgrade the o-line where there is an easy, quick solution before Carr gets seriously hurt.
I wouldn't mind as he does have experience in the scheme. But I also don't want us to sacrifice much to get him. Right now, it looks like the most important thing is finding a guy who is going to find the hole, which is the #1 reason why Dayne's starting. He's just finding openings that the other RBs aren't. The Oline needs to get better.
One of the problems look like the holes just don't open up in the direction of the runner at all. There were some holes today, but looking for them was like looking for a needle in a haystack. Sherman and Kubiak really have their work cut out for them to try to put this thing together.
One of the problems look like the holes just don't open up in the direction of the runner at all. There were some holes today, but looking for them was like looking for a needle in a haystack. Sherman and Kubiak really have their work cut out for them to try to put this thing together.
Texans Horror
All Pro
Salaam has looked serviceable at best. What I saw of the time he was in there, he was barely able to keep up with Jason Taylor, and sometimes not at all. Bedel looked worse out there.
Carr is paying off this year - he is looking like a great quarterback. I worry that not having Wand in at LT is going to get Carr injured.
On the other hand, at this point I am willing to concede that whatever reason the team has, Wand is out. I am tired of not understanding what the front office doesn't see in him. (I had to reword that last sentence. I had written "I am tired of not understanding what the team doesn't see in him." From everything I've heard, the team sees a lot in him; Kubiak doesn't.)
Being an NIU grad, I think it would be great to see Wolfe running for the Texans. One can only hope!
Carr is paying off this year - he is looking like a great quarterback. I worry that not having Wand in at LT is going to get Carr injured.
On the other hand, at this point I am willing to concede that whatever reason the team has, Wand is out. I am tired of not understanding what the front office doesn't see in him. (I had to reword that last sentence. I had written "I am tired of not understanding what the team doesn't see in him." From everything I've heard, the team sees a lot in him; Kubiak doesn't.)
Being an NIU grad, I think it would be great to see Wolfe running for the Texans. One can only hope!
R
real
Guest
Our O-line definitely has room for improvement....but none of our running backs are anything special....I saw a couple holes yesterday...I saw a couple times where Dayne and Gado just ran into a linemans back....I think we will definitely draft a back next year...I just don't know what round...Im guessing anywhere from 3-6 depending on who's available...
The season is still young, and there is lots of football left to be played. We've played Play-off calbre Ds for 4 weeks straight..... Our running backs have did as well as their runningbacks the week we faced them. I think the only running back to have a good day against Miami, Washington, Indy, & Philly was TikiBarber in a come from behind victory over Philly. I'm not sure, I haven't looked it up, but off the top of my head, that's the way I see it. I'll do some research, and get back to you.
But Dallas' D coming up..... don't expect a big game, from the running backs.
Just a quick look.
Washinton is only giving up 79 yards a game, Philly 93 yards a game, Miami 94 yards a game, and Indy is giving up 155.... we only ran for 108 using a three headed attack.
Washinton is only giving up 79 yards a game, Philly 93 yards a game, Miami 94 yards a game, and Indy is giving up 155.... we only ran for 108 using a three headed attack.
South Texan
Waterboy
Maybe it was just me, but did anyone else notice how many times Hodgdon got beat during a running play? I'm not going to say he was the root of the problem on our o-line play, but I just couldn't help but notice a few times.
Probably why he is the backup.
Why is that insane? He's better than Bedell. He's better than Winston. For that matter, he's a better left tackle than Salaam, even if Salaam is a better swing tackle.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
I'm not a Seth Wand fan in terms of his current level of skill, but I don't wonder if he'd be better than Bedell. I'm not convinced he's better than Salaam, but I haven't watched tape of the O-line in either this game or against Washington yet.
They want 11 more games against us....
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
LOL! No kidding! Did we jump start that team or what? They out lasted the Jags in a shootout. They looked pretty good. I think we deserve a thank you from the Skins.
JohnGalt
Noob
It's insane, because if they resign Wand and he performs better (HE WILL!!!), it makes Kubiak look fallible.
IshouldbeGM
Noob
I'f i were to trade for any runningback in the league, i'd target michael turner, the backup to ladanian tomlinson in san diego....5'10 237 with speed and power. He's young, doesnt have a lot of tread on the tires, i'd offer a 3rd rd pick.
FILO_girl
I'm not here
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Every year they seem to move Pitts around and I think it has stunted his growth. I think he is the best LT on the team that isn't injured but the Texans want athletes with great feet at the Guard and think that this is a key to the zone blocking scheme. Perhaps letting Chester sit at one spot and learn the nuances is the best long term thing for the line. Afterall, we are looking to compete for the playoffs next year and we are building a base this year. That's my only logical explanation.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I agree with the coaching staffs decision in keeping Pitts at guard. Other than Hodgdons mediocre run blocking, the guard and center play has been decent. My question is; what are we going to do with our tackle spots? It has been an issue since day one. What is it going to take to get a good RT and Lft tackle in here? Is Spencer going to pan out after this "severe" injury? I guess there's too many questions yet to be sorted out. Time will tell, I guess.
I've been trying to find the logic here too. I guess the plan is to use Salaam and Weigert until their knees fall off, followed by hoping Spencer comes back full speed from his injury and Winston steps right in at the start of next season. The fallback to Salaam and Weigert lasting this season is to hope Bedell improves tremendously before they need him again.
Seriously though, I don't know why they continue to use aging veterans that are playing marignally now and have no long term prospects for the team. That speaks both to their evaluation of Winston and their evaluation of the talent on the free agent market.
They think Salaam, Weigert, and Bedell are the best three players available to them at this time. I guess it is as simple as that.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I just find that hard to swallow. That said, I'll digress and pray to the knee gods for Salaam and Weigert. I will expect personel improvement next year compared to the Capers "time to gel together" method.
Texans86
Rookie
[[Gary Kubiak]];460347 said:
I'm really beginning to wonder what Wand was like off the field to get on the bad side of so many coaches. He didn't seem like a bad person, and there was a reason he was up for starting at LT this year. He was definately better than Bedell, so I don't know why a phone call hasn't been made.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
I want Ryan Moats
Hervoyel
BUENO!
The idea that this coaching staff refuses to bring back a player who almost started for them this year (according to their version of events) makes me concerned. When Spencer went down someone on the sideline (Gary Kubiak) should have spoken into his headset to someone upstairs and said "While you're at it see if we still have Seth Wands phone number somewhere".
The fact that this obviously didn't happen makes Gary Kubiak look arrogant to me. It makes me think he's more interested in "his" players than "the" players and that a better player won't necessarily win out if he wasn't one of "Garys guys".
If the Texans were interested in putting the absolutely best line out there that they possibly could at this time and with the resources they have right now then Seth Wand would be on this team and starting at LT.
The future is obviously what they're focused on. I get that. I just don't see how Salaam fits any better into our future than Seth Wand and I don't see how getting David Carr hit/hurried/chased more often from the left side helps them in their stated goal of settling him down.
Does anyone know for sure that Seth even wants to play? He's been out of the league for a month, and hasn't even got a tryout. Seems to me that if Wand wanted to play football, his agent could get him a tryout somewhere. The NFL is not for everyone.
In spite of Kubiak's reluctance to play Pitts at LT, if Salaam has got even a
semi-serious groin injury, he'll have to put Chester at tackle because groin injurys are very troublesome and can plague a player all season.
And when you consider that Pitts is better than Salaam even when the latter is healthy, and with the emergence of Weary he's got him and McKinney to
play the guards. I look for this move after the Bye week.
Most of all, they got to consider the risk of compromising Carr's new found competance if his butt is protected with anything less than the best player
they can field at LT.
semi-serious groin injury, he'll have to put Chester at tackle because groin injurys are very troublesome and can plague a player all season.
And when you consider that Pitts is better than Salaam even when the latter is healthy, and with the emergence of Weary he's got him and McKinney to
play the guards. I look for this move after the Bye week.
Most of all, they got to consider the risk of compromising Carr's new found competance if his butt is protected with anything less than the best player
they can field at LT.
AggieTexanFan
Noob
Where is the Caveman in all of this, surely I thought he would step in?
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
He is raw enough as a rookie, and then he was moved to RT. He may get some snaps at LT, but not many, I would say.
Scooter
Funky
i'm positive that this is wand's problem. his measurables are fantastic, his film and endorsements are solid. the only flaw i find is a lack of mean streak ... he doesnt finish blocks with authority and is quicker to grab than to throw that big paw into someone's chest like spencer.
this is the one area of kubiak that worries me. i'm all for getting guys that fit the system, but that doesnt mean we need to move the entire new york knicks over here (sorry rockets fans). pride needs to be removed from personnel decisions ... something that's unfortunately never going to happen. salaam scares me for this reason ... he's not very good and is absolutely not better than wand (bedell is in the wrong profession). homerisms aside, find any tape where salaam has stood up better in either pass or run than wand. hell wand was our best ZBS run blocker during the preseason according to my game reviews. jags fans started laughing at salaam even making the 53.
if kubiak does a show this monday, i hope someone asks him about this decision (someone flag down marcus). we didnt get an answer as to why pendry didnt like him, nor why kubiak doesnt .... i'd really like to know why wand is so bad that he's not worth upgrading our team for.
TK_Gamer
Veteran
I think he had serious effort issues and I wouldnt waste time on a guy that doesnt come to play every game either. the problem is there is not this huge pool of available LTs in the NFL. noone is gonna trade away a solid LT no matter what the price. unfortunately it's only gonna get worse as alot of the starting o-lineman are getting up there in age and close to retiring. look at the chiefs, they have gone from one of, if not the best offensive line in football to below average in a couple years. willie roaf retires this year, will shields will probably retire also in the next year or so and there is just noone to replace them with. they hardly ever make it to the unrestricted free agent status. the ones that do are there for a reason, usually age and health issues. I think they will prolly let wand sweat it out and if noone grabs him at the at the trade deadline they offer him a very restrictive contract. the reason I bring up the trade deadline is when teams know they have no other resource for players they are forced to grab the throw-aways from the FA pool.
jmerog
Waterboy
I'm with you on that one. Unfortunatly, it doesn't seem likely anyone will give up a good o-lineman at this time of the year unless injury demands it. losing spencer was bad. Salaam is doing ~ok~, but we need help.
JohnGalt
Noob
I'm not buying it. I think there is more to this and some of what I am hearing and observing is disturbing.
1. The only bad things that have been said about Wand in the past few years are "lack of aggressiveness" and "poor technique". Nothing about intelligence, ability, attitude, or effort. He's always been in regular attendance at off-season programs. I think Sherman was fixing the "lack of aggressiveness" and "poor technique" and I felt Wand was going to be a solid player in 2006. It sounds like Sherman thought so too.
2. Wand got a tryout in KC in week 1. I know a guy in my fantasy league that works for the KC Star. He said... "KC would have signed him in a heartbeat if had been March. They felt it was too late for him to catch on to a new offense style and contribute right away." I'm trying to find a source for this...
3. Wand had no signing bonus, so zero cap hit when he was cut. Does anyone remember what Salaam got?
4. This side of Kubiak is disturbing me. OK, he cut a serviceable player (Wand) in favor of one who appeared to be a better back-up (Salaam). Nobody knew that Spencer was going to be hurt, s**t happens to good people. Instead of bringing back the guy who almost was the starter, Kubiak chose to stick with the back-up instead of changing his mind. It's like Kubiak thinks that everyone is going to assume he made a personnel mistake and he could lose credibility. Especially since he over-ruled Sherman.
5. Kubiak is trying to mold Carr into a Pro-Bowler. The hits on his body can't be good for that development. I wonder if Carr opened an Aflac policy, "because if he gets hurt and misses work, ...." Do you think Kubiak is just trying to teach Carr to make fast decisions?
6. Wand has been stewing about the cut for 4 weeks now. I'm sure he's good and p**sed by now. I think "lack of aggressiveness" won't be a problem.
7. I have been told that he drives a pick-up. Not an Escalade, Mercedes, or Beamer. Just a full-size truck. Doesn't that just scream Texan?
LETS WIN NOW!!!! STOPPING WORRYING ABOUT NEXT YEAR UNTIL JAN 2007!!
Very unlikely.
JohnGalt
Noob
Let's be realistic about this. He's probably pissed about the cut. I would be.
He doesn't seem to have a bunch of GM's knocking at the door. He needs play well in 06, so he has options for 2007. Houston is his best chance to demonstrate what Sherman has taught him.
Frankly, we need him at LT. We don't need more Den and GB castaways at this point.
This is a WIN-WIN situation.