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76Texan said:
You rave about Brock Purdy S2, but what about Trey Lance and Bearhard?
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I dont rave about much of anything?

I just point out that no QB that's done poorly on the S-2 has been successful in the NFL. I guess some including you seem to struggle with this fact.

Hey, maybe Stroud breaks the trend. Doubtful, now that he's dealing with a hurt shoulder. Hannah is going to get what she deserves. Patience should've been the order of the day. But when has that ever been the Texan Way.
 
michaelm said:
I don't know if it's been mentioned but FWIW, apparently C.J. Stroud is the first rookie QB in NFL history to make a Week 1 start with over 45 dropbacks without throwing a single interception.
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I'm pretty sure he's also the 1st & only QB in NFL history who's first NFL pass was also his first NFL reception.
 
steelbtexan said:
I dont rave about much of anything?

I just point out that no QB that's done poorly on the S-2 has been successful in the NFL. I guess some including you seem to struggle with this fact.

Hey, maybe Stroud breaks the trend. Doubtful, now that he's dealing with a hurt shoulder. Hannah is going to get what she deserves. Patience should've been the order of the day. But when has that ever been the Texan Way.
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Who are these QBs with low S2 scores that had done poorly in the NFL?
 
Corrosion said:
I didn't delete it but I read it after another mod deleted it. If the mod who deleted it didn't, I probably would have.

Covid conspiracies / Fauci / Agenda's are more politics than is allowed.
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It was a perfect analogy between agendas; one being the one u mention and people pushing s2 testing. And I love how they are still considered "conspiracies" although all the facts have come out...that makes them FACTS not conspiracies.
 
Texansballer74 said:
And so does the Colts . And if the Panthers aren’t careful, Young might get injured as well. That’s the game, it happens. Facts!
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In typical Texans fashion, they draft a player with injury issues and those injuries came back to bite them in the butt again. You would think Hannah would learn, but hey the stands will be full whether Stroud plays or not on Sunday. But hey, you will be entertained and that's all that matters to both you and Hannah.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
It was a perfect analogy between agendas; one being the one u mention and people pushing s2 testing. And I love how they are still considered "conspiracies" although all the facts have come out...that makes them FACTS not conspiracies.
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It could've been the greatest analogy in the history of written language, nonetheless politics is completely out of bounds on this board.

Fauci and covid policy wrangling for all of it's lightning rod aspects for all intents and purposes falls under the label of 'politics'.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
It was a perfect analogy between agendas; one being the one u mention and people pushing s2 testing. And I love how they are still considered "conspiracies" although all the facts have come out...that makes them FACTS not conspiracies.
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I say this as someone who probably agrees with your opinions on that topic:

Members of this forum are expected to self edit any comments that poke at sensitivities around social issues. We've been doing this here for decades. We know exactly how off-topic debates ignite. Behaviors are predictable.

Those who don't understand get an apple and a roadmap.
 
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sprtsfanatic said:
It was a perfect analogy between agendas; one being the one u mention and people pushing s2 testing. And I love how they are still considered "conspiracies" although all the facts have come out...that makes them FACTS not conspiracies.
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No one is pushing the agenda of the S2 testing beyond it being another tool in the shed when evaluating players pre draft.

Some continue to make more of it than it really is because they don't like the reported results.

As for Stroud - we're stuck with him as Texans fans - I hope he breaks the test.
 
Corrosion said:
No one is pushing the agenda of the S2 testing beyond it being another tool in the shed when evaluating players pre draft.

Some continue to make more of it than it really is because they don't like the reported results.

As for Stroud - we're stuck with him as Texans fans - I hope he breaks the test.
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I abandoned the idea that high intelligence is required in a QB to win a chamionship after Ben Roethlisberger won two of them.
 
Brisco_County said:
I abandoned the idea that high intelligence is required in a QB to win a championship after Ben Roethlisberger won two of them.
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Then you abandoned the Wonderlic test. That's a test of "intelligence".

The S2 is more about decision making in real time which is very relevant.


Two totally different platforms.

Again, I'm not making the statement that this test is any real barometer of QB play. It's just another evaluation tool and when you consider the price a team pays for a QB, in terms of both draft capital and cap space its money well spent.

Stroud will cost the Texans, on top of the #2 pick in the draft, $36m before his first contract is done and its 100% guaranteed.
 
Corrosion said:
No one is pushing the agenda of the S2 testing beyond it being another tool in the shed when evaluating players pre draft.

Some continue to make more of it than it really is because they don't like the reported results.

As for Stroud - we're stuck with him as Texans fans - I hope he breaks the test.
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The thing is we don't even see the data.
Where's it?
You want to discuss a test, but so many info are missing.

Somebody said 7 years of data, but I don't see hardly anything.

Many teams using the S2 are not successful with their QB decision.

The US Women Soccer Team used the S2 test (one of the S2 guys even talked this fact up), and the team had the biggest flop for a long time in the recent World Cup.
They look bad while they were supposed to be the team to beat.

Who are the NFL QBs that had low S2 scores?
 
76Texan said:
The thing is we don't even see the data.
Where's it?
You want to discuss a test, but so many info are missing.

Somebody said 7 years of data, but I don't see hardly anything.

Many teams using the S2 are not successful with their QB decision.

The US Women Soccer Team used the S2 test (one of the S2 guys even talked this fact up), and the team had the biggest flop for a long time in the recent World Cup.
They look bad while they were supposed to be the team to beat.

Who are the NFL QBs that had low S2 scores?
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on top of ALL THAT....the owners themselves have come out and have said that the leaked score for Stroud "was not accurate at all...not even close"...

so theres that too...
 
JB said:
Perhaps you missed this part
And I don't know what you are meaning about riding 'ol boys coat tails. I've never said that Mills should be starting or that I want him to start. I'm just debunking your falsehoods
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where does he say that the leaked score for Stroud is accurate...I'll go ahead and wait...but wont hold my breath.
 
JB said:
Where does he specify that Stroud's score was inaccurate?
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ALL YOU HAD TO SAY WAS I CANT.
Them coming out and saying that leaked scores were accurate is enough to discredit the scores.
but I love you how try and answer a ? with a ? b/c you have no answer for it.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
ALL YOU HAD TO SAY WAS I CANT.
Them coming out and saying that leaked scores were accurate is enough to discredit the scores.
but I love you how try and answer a ? with a ? b/c you have no answer for it.
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I'm not disputing that they said leaked scores were inaccurate, but nowhere did the specify that Stroud's were. And that is what I said that you are disputing, or have you already forgotten what you said? Have you graduated high school yet?
 
Sweech said:
Find me the college football players without injury histories.

Even the ones who play every game are almost always just playing with some kind of injury.
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this is the correct answer. Why some people act like we’re the only team that has drafted a player with an “injury history” is beyond me. The term is a bit of an oxymoron to begin with considering the sport they play. Of course they’re gonna have some type of injury history. play football!

Tua went #1 overall but had serious injury concerns coming out. Dude was an MVP candidate for a large part of the season last year.

Bryce Young. Everybody forget about his shoulder issues in his last year at Bama?

Deshaun with his ACL at Clemson.

come on folks.
 
Mr teX said:
this is the correct answer. Why some people act like we’re the only team that has drafted a player with an “injury history” is beyond me. The term is a bit of an oxymoron to begin with considering the sport they play. Of course they’re gonna have some type of injury history. play football!

Tua went #1 overall but had serious injury concerns coming out. Dude was an MVP candidate for a large part of the season last year.

Bryce Young. Everybody forget about his shoulder issues in his last year at Bama?

Deshaun with his ACL at Clemson.

come on folks.
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Because fans are by and large incredibly myopic when it comes to how they fan. They don't watch other teams nearly under the same microscope they do their own.

Fans of all teams, particularly struggling teams, have the same common concerns/complaints - our HC sucks, our GM sucks, why can't we find a franchise QB, why do we draft injured players, why can't we sign big time free agents, who signed off on those goddamn jalapeno popper commercials, etc, etc..
 
Mollywhopper said:
Because fans are by and large incredibly myopic when it comes to how they fan. They don't watch other teams nearly under the same microscope they do their own.

Fans of all teams, particularly struggling teams, have the same common concerns/complaints - our HC sucks, our GM sucks, why can't we find a franchise QB, why do we draft injured players, why can't we sign big time free agents, who signed off on those goddamn jalapeno popper commercials, etc, etc..
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I agree, I guess that’s where I’m different. I love my Texans, pay very close attention to what they’re doing. But I also watch and pay attention to all the other teams as well. I’m like that with all sports I watch.
 
Duck the Wonderlic and S2!!! How many so-so CFB QB’s nailed the test(s) and became superstars in the NFL b/c of their smarts?

Scouts need to park their arses in front of TV and study every game these QB’s played in to determine if the talent around them made them something they weren’t or the talent around them held them back from becoming the QB they could become. Personal workouts would try and confirm what’s been seen in person and on film. (Funny, as I’m typing this….Kurt Warner was discussing how QB’s should be graded, and damm if it wasn’t fairly similar).
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
Can't say that I'm thrilled about this especially with the OL to be filled almost completely with backups.
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I don’t know what to think of this. A soft search of his Ohio State injury was that it affected his first three games In 2021. In those games he completed over 60% of his passes for almost 1000 yards. I didn’t read that he missed any time, but again, soft search. OTOH he had roughly twice as many pass attempts game one as he had in three preseason games. Many were thrown across his body trying to escape the rush, not to mention taking several hits and a roughing the passer penalty. So my verdict is on hold. BTW, same soft search, I’ve read that there was surprise that nobody had mentioned A. Richardson’s injury history before the draft. Supposedly he had significant injuries every college year. And don’t forget Young’s shoulder injury. None of these three teams made a mistake IMO, they are just playing under the rules of a rough sport.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Duck the Wonderlic and S2!!! How many so-so CFB QB’s nailed the test(s) and became superstars in the NFL b/c of their smarts?

Scouts need to park their arses in front of TV and study every game these QB’s played in to determine if the talent around them made them something they weren’t or the talent around them held them back from becoming the QB they could become. Personal workouts would try and confirm what’s been seen in person and on film. (Funny, as I’m typing this….Kurt Warner was discussing how QB’s should be graded, and damm if it wasn’t fairly similar).
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Bingo and we’ll said. They do that stuff to start up controversy. That’s exactly what they did on this forum.
 
Dejaview said:
I don’t know what to think of this. A soft search of his Ohio State injury was that it affected his first three games In 2021. In those games he completed over 60% of his passes for almost 1000 yards. I didn’t read that he missed any time, but again, soft search. OTOH he had roughly twice as many pass attempts game one as he had in three preseason games. Many were thrown across his body trying to escape the rush, not to mention taking several hits and a roughing the passer penalty. So my verdict is on hold. BTW, same soft search, I’ve read that there was surprise that nobody had mentioned A. Richardson’s injury history before the draft. Supposedly he had significant injuries every college year. And don’t forget Young’s shoulder injury. None of these three teams made a mistake IMO, they are just playing under the rules of a rough sport.
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I don't know the circumstances around Indy or Carolina. However I do know that our OL is once again in shambles (hopefully for the short term) and charged with protecting our own highly drafted rookie QB who has an issue with his shoulder on his throwing arm. Stroud's OSU injury was known but not highlighted as much as Young's issues but here we are. Injuries are part of the game and most of the time uncontrollable, but how a team manages injuries is controllable.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
Stroud's a rookie QB, he's going to be learning for years. Plus "remotely healthy" is subjective, however, I know you've seen CNNNd's take on this (Click Here) and don't you hold his expertise in high regard?
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Are Burrow/Herbert/Tua still learning?

I dont always agree with CnD.

Lets get this show on the road. Give him a shot and lets go.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
I don't know the circumstances around Indy or Carolina. However I do know that our OL is once again in shambles (hopefully for the short term) and charged with protecting our own highly drafted rookie QB who has an issue with his shoulder on his throwing arm. Stroud's OSU injury was known but not highlighted as much as Young's issues but here we are. Injuries are part of the game and most of the time uncontrollable, but how a team manages injuries is controllable.
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If the young man is truly hurt I don’t see why you risk additional damage considering our line is suspect at best.

I want to see our new toy as much as anybody but not to his detriment.

Could this be trickery?
 
JRingo said:
If the young man is truly hurt I don’t see why you risk additional damage considering our line is suspect at best.

I want to see our new toy as much as anybody but not to his detriment.

Could this be trickery?
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Based solely on how conservatively the Texans are treating other injuries, I lean toward the opinion that Stroud's injury is something he can play through with little further risk. I've heard comment on the pregame that this is the same issue he played through in college. But CnnnD thinks otherwise. The game starts in 5 minutes and we are about to find out.
 
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