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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

zshawn10 said:
if they pick a QB not named Stroud at 2 after Bryce goes one, I am done as well.
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I really enjoy and respect your posts. Actually look forward to them.

Having said that, it seems to be a knee jerk reaction when you don't know how the selected player will impact the team.

Or how Stroud will do in the NFL.

I would not be disappointed if the team selected a Edge rusher or Stroud @2.
Hell, I'd be happy if they took a flyer on Duggan late. Shines a light on my expertise. :spit:

Just opining. No offense intended.

:coffee:
 
dalemurphy said:
If we actually don't like Stroud for some reason (which I don't get-I think he is the best QB prospect in the past 3+ years)... but, if we don't like him, I could get on board for a Trey Lance trade. I think it cost something like this: our 12th pick in this draft for Trey Lance + 2024 2nd round pick... and I could get on board with a deal like that. We could reassess after one year with Trey Lance and would have a ton of draft ammunition next year, if needed, to take a QB in what is likely to be a better and deeper QB draft class.
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I haven't seen much of anything to like about Lance. I'd just as soon keep my draft picks and take BPA at a position of need (there are plenty of needs) and draft a QB next year.
Will Anderson and Christian Gonzales at 1.2 and 1.12 would work just fine for me.
 
thunderkyss said:
Wouldn’t it be easier just to tell them during the visit?

“prepare for a hold out if you select me.”

I can’t imagine the Texans drafting him with the #2 if he even hinted.

I can see the Texans starting a smear campaign because of it.
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That doesn't make sense. :confused: If the Texans don't want to draft him what does it benefit them to smear him?

Counter productive to any chance of having someone wanting to trade up for him.

:coffee:
 
Texian said:
Next Thursday night I am prepared to be informed that the Texans have been diagnosed with Leprosy.

I just don’t who this years Kenyon Green will be, and for the impatient Texans to trade up at least twice using five draft picks to do so.
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I am so surprised that you feel that way. :rolleyes:

:coffee:
 
“Stroud scored 18,” an executive said. “That is like red alert, red alert, you can’t take a guy like that. That is why I have Stroud as a bust. That in conjunction with the fact, name one Ohio State quarterback that’s ever done it in the league.”
When another executive was informed that Stroud scored extremely low, he said that it confirmed what he had seen on tape.
“That was my concern with him,” the scout said. “His personality is just sort of calm and mellow and laidback, and that’s the way he plays. You look at how Bryce Young plays and how Stroud plays, I don’t see how anyone can look at those two play football and you’d want that guy (Stroud) over Young. Bryce’s mind is so quick and he processes so fast. Whereas with Stroud, everything is much, much more programmed.”
“The benchmark is 80. Eighty and above is good. Stroud was 18. It’s incredibly terrible. He’s going to be off (some team’s) boards. He will not be picked by those teams.”
Despite the S2 results, a survey of 16 evaluators asking them for their choice as the quarterback with the best chance to bust showed Stroud behind Richardson and Levis. The bust vote count was eight for Richardson, five for Levis, two for Stroud and one for Young. In addition, the panel was asked to rank their top quarterbacks on a 1-2-3-4-5 basis, with a first-place vote worth 5 points, a second-place vote worth 4 and so on.
Young, with 10 firsts and 72 points, led the way. He was followed by Stroud (56, two), Levis (46, three), Richardson (40, one), Hooker (20), Max Duggan (two), Haener (two), Tanner McKee (one) and Dorian Thompson-Robinson (one).
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Here’s a sampling how some scouts summed up this collection of quarterbacks.


AFC evaluator: “I would say a bit above average. There’s not a bonafide guy. There’s no Andrew Luck. Comparing it to Joe Burrow, Tua (Tagovailoa), Justin Herbert, that class was way better coming out. You can poke holes in all these guys.”
AFC evaluator: “It’s the most overhyped, and understandably so, group that I can recall. Every one of them is flawed, and some with major flaws. So I think they all get overdrafted and, unfortunately, they all underperform. Even if they become starters they’re bottom-half-of-the-league starters.”
AFC evaluator: “Teams have gone to better athletes at quarterback, but they’re shorter.”
NFC evaluator: “None of these guys are Andrew Luck or Trevor Lawrence.”
AFC evaluator: “History tells us probably four of the (top) five will be busts. It’s crazy.”
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www.golongtd.com

Part 3, QB: Bryce Young has the 'S2' advantage

Today, NFL teams value the "S2" test. Multiple sources tell Bob McGinn that Young scored 98%, while C.J. Stroud scored 18%. What does this all mean? The draft series continues...
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Lucky said:
Young scores well on the S2. That makes sense, if the S2 correlates to QB decision making.

Will Levis scores well on the S2. That doesn't make a lot of sense, if the S2 correlates to QB decision making.

CJ Stroud scores...an 18? CJ Stroud, the guy with a career 1.4% INT rate?

I would need more info to see how exactly the S2 correlates to NFL QBs. Because it doesn't seem to correlate to college QBs very consistently.
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Maybe it's as simple as "Being the QB at Ohio State puts you on easy street when it comes to decision making"
 

Bryce Young vs CJ Stroud

FWIW Russel Wilson came in at 5' 10" & 5/8 ths at the Combine - a mere one half of one inch taller than BY.
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linked PFF long form interview with the s2 while replying to an article on S2.
 
corry said:
What he did to Georgia should carry more weight, but his stock seems like its really going to take a hit.
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What he did against Georgia is the reason OSU lost the game. The knock-on Stroud is he does not perform well under pressure. That was clearly on display for all to see.
 
corry said:
Can this guy learn a playbook or is he a really talented flag football player when given time to throw?
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My understanding is that the S2 test reaction times and other things via a keyboard while looking at a video screen. More like a video game than a playbook. S2 also offers tutorials that can increase you "skills". I read in the Athletic that Bryce Young has been taking these test since HS. Why is the NFL so gung ho on the S2? Because Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen did well on them. Did everyone that scored well become a good NFL QB? I doubt it. I don't think the developers of the tests claim that.
 
Texian said:
What he did against Georgia is the reason OSU lost the game. The knock-on Stroud is he does not perform well under pressure. That was clearly on display for all to see.
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Wouldn't be the game I would cite. I will just assume you never watched that game lol.
 
cuppacoffee said:
I really enjoy and respect your posts. Actually look forward to them.

Having said that, it seems to be a knee jerk reaction when you don't know how the selected player will impact the team.

Or how Stroud will do in the NFL.

I would not be disappointed if the team selected a Edge rusher or Stroud @2.
Hell, I'd be happy if they took a flyer on Duggan late. Shines a light on my expertise. :spit:

Just opining. No offense intended.

:coffee:
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No I am cool with taking an Anderson or Wilson at 2; these S2 test score has me soured on Stroud a bit now.
Thanks for the compliment
 
DocBar said:
I haven't seen much of anything to like about Lance. I'd just as soon keep my draft picks and take BPA at a position of need (there are plenty of needs) and draft a QB next year.
Will Andon and Christian Gonzales at 1.2 and 1.12 would work just fine for me.
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How much of anything have you seen with Trey lance? He's played 4 games in NFL.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
Caleb Williams is considered that in the top of the top-tier prospects. My guess is that half of the posting about waiting until next year is the fantasy that the Texans can suck again or trade for the next generational talent. Some posters are aware that what they are doing, and some not.
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Vegas predicts 5.5 wins
 
Lucky said:
Did everyone that scored well become a good NFL QB? I doubt it. I don't think the developers of the tests claim that.
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Of course not, but nobody that scored poorly did well in the NFL. Will Stroud be the first?
 
The Pencil Neck said:
It's also a Texan move to need a QB and draft a QB who ends up being a Jamarcus Russell or a Ryan Leaf.
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They're not doing too well drafting first round QBs. The first one wasn't the transcendent type that would transform an organization & the other one was... well, let's just say odd.
 
Lucky said:
My understanding is that the S2 test reaction times and other things via a keyboard while looking at a video screen. More like a video game than a playbook. S2 also offers tutorials that can increase you "skills". I read in the Athletic that Bryce Young has been taking these test since HS. Why is the NFL so gung ho on the S2? Because Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen did well on them. Did everyone that scored well become a good NFL QB? I doubt it. I don't think the developers of the tests claim that.
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S2 seems more descriptive than predictive.
 
zshawn10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1649377768067457027

Lance was way ahead of this. He also said this morning that a team had Stroud retake it because they were so concerned and he scored similarly.
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In previous comments I suggested that the Texans take Clayton Tune on Saturday, as a good fit for our offense despite some limitations with his deep ball - if Young goes at #1. Doesn't have a score in the 90% range, but better than Richardson, Hooker and Stroud. If Young is off the board, I'd go defense with #2 and #12. Maybe try to work a trade back for the right offer.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Also, if Bryce was actual NFL playing size, there would be a much further gap between him and Stroud. It’s funny. The Stroud folks can’t even tell you why they want the Texans to draft him. Other than they say the Texans NEED a QB.
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He's the best prospect along with high end production, and high end traits.
 
Lucky said:
Young scores well on the S2. That makes sense, if the S2 correlates to QB decision making.

Will Levis scores well on the S2. That doesn't make a lot of sense, if the S2 correlates to QB decision making.

CJ Stroud scores...an 18? CJ Stroud, the guy with a career 1.4% INT rate?

I would need more info to see how exactly the S2 correlates to NFL QBs. Because it doesn't seem to correlate to college QBs very consistently.
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Stroud has the physical talent and may be the product of the offensive system, his elite receivers and his offensive line. The question for the NFL, with less than ideal conditions, how will he perform against NFL defenses.

I'd say there's little chance of the Panthers taking Stroud with #1.
 
Number19 said:
Stroud has the physical talent and may be the product of the offensive system, his elite receivers and his offensive line. The question for the NFL, with less than ideal conditions, how will he perform against NFL defenses.

I'd say there's little chance of the Panthers taking Stroud with #1.
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Stroud definitely has the arm talent including accuracy and a very nice release - he throws beautiful back shoulder throws to the right hand side as well as the left.
He is quick with his reads which flies in the face of the S2 test.
The problem for him is going to be how much time will he have to throw those pretty passes in the NFL? But then again, you can say that about any rookie.
 
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