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JB said:
I guess if you had one latino employee rip you off you'd never hire another latino?
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What does this have to do with having to deal with an agent that you know is a POS?

I try to avoid dealing with POS regardless of race. Why are you trying to turn this into a racial thing?
 
steelbtexan said:
I try to avoid dealing with POS regardless of race. Why are you trying to turn this into a racial thing?
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I wasn't, I was trying to turn it into a common sense thing. Imho, you are being ridiculous and trying to hold the sins of the client against the agent. He has many other clients that have been model teammates, but you don't hold that against him
 
JB said:
I wasn't, I was trying to turn it into a common sense thing. Imho, you are being ridiculous and trying to hold the sins of the client against the agent. He has many other clients that have been model teammates, but you don't hold that against him
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Yes you were or you wouldn't have brought up the minority angle in your post. Just own it. You think I'm basing my opinion on race. I'm basing my opinion on not having to deal with a POS unless absolutely necessary.


Have you checked out this agents history?
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes you were or you wouldn't have brought up the minority angle in your post. Just own it. You think I'm basing my opinion on race. I'm basing my opinion on not having to deal with a POS unless absolutely necessary.
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I never thought in terms of race or minority. I was just trying to put it in terms that you as a landscaper could relate too. I don't think you are relating it on race but on your own conceptions (misguided that they are) that DM talked DW into requesting a trade
 
JB said:
I never thought in terms of race or minority. I was just trying to put it in terms that you as a landscaper could relate too. I don't think you are relating it on race but on your own conceptions (misguided that they are) that DM talked DW into requesting a trade
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I do think the agent knew what was going down with Derrick and forced a trade to try to avoid the consequences of Derrick's actions.

I mean the agent thought there was nothing wrong with basically reniging on a max contract signed 6 months beforehand. In a way I hope they draft Stroud because it will be very entertaining when the agent screws Cal over again. At that point I will lmao. Cal will get what he deserves at the expense of the Texans fans.

If Stroud is the pick get your popcorn ready in about 3 years and Stroud isn't even that good.
 
michaelm said:
The Chargers have fired OC Joe Lombardi, so it looks like Staley is being retained and is off the table as part of any potential Gannon staff
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Wasn't thinking at the time I posted this.
San Diego retaining Staley also eliminates an option for Payton.
With the Cowboys winning last night, I think the only real viable options are Denver and Houston, unless he decides to sit out another year. Unless others are slipping my mind
 
michaelm said:
Wasn't thinking at the time I posted this.
San Diego retaining Staley also eliminates an option for Payton.
With the Cowboys winning last night, I think the only real viable options are Denver and Houston, unless he decides to sit out another year. Unless others are slipping my mind
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Arizona?
 
Just heard some things on 610 about possibly of Payton being interested in the job. But, while I didn't catch the 1st paragraph it was something about an early to mid 1st round pick this year or next. Is that something he wants or we need to give to the Saints?

Anyone else hear something on this on 610 around 1045am -1115am?
 
michaelm said:
Wasn't thinking at the time I posted this.
San Diego retaining Staley also eliminates an option for Payton.
With the Cowboys winning last night, I think the only real viable options are Denver and Houston, unless he decides to sit out another year. Unless others are slipping my mind
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Panthers?
 
SnakeEyes said:
Just heard some things on 610 about possibly of Payton being interested in the job. But, while I didn't catch the 1st paragraph it was something about an early to mid 1st round pick this year or next. Is that something he wants or we need to give to the Saints?

Anyone else hear something on this on 610 around 1045am -1115am?
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I did not hear that radio program but it seems from what you're posting they are repeating what we've been discussing here for the last 3 or 4 days. Lots of info available for quick review to catch up.
 
Can the Saints stop him from going to the Panthers?
I know.they can ask for compensation, and what's been out there is that each team had to agree to the compensation before he could interview. But as long as the Panthers have agreed, can N.O. stop him from signing there?
 
Lucky said:
Have they asked for an interview? I don’t think the Saints would really want Payton in division.
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Yes, they've been granted permission

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Sunday that Carolina has received permission from the New Orleans Saints to interview Payton for its vacant head coaching job, per a source.
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Colin Cowheard didn’t even get to finish the “Texans possibility” question, when Sean answered pretty enthusiastically that he would be interested in the Texans job. He mentioned he had briefly met Cal during joint team practices in the past and knew Caserio.

I believe Sean see’s the Texans as a better team than their record would indicate. He believes their turnaround could be quicker than expected. Like I mentioned before…..the Texans are a ground level franchise in 2023 that any new HC and staff could make into their long-term vision. That’s going to be appealing.

Texans would have to give up their RD1-012 pick, but they also have the #2 pick. There’d be no reason that pick wouldn’t peak the interest of Seattle or Detroit, who might have the desire to move up in order to select their QB. The Texans could find themselves right back in the driver’s seat with (2) RD1 picks……and maybe an additional RD2 or RD3.

I still like the instant credibility Sean Payton brings to the Texans organization. I also believe the Texans have the best overall long-term situation among the teams looking to hire any HC.
 
What would response be to

" Houston Texans announce that they have decided against signing Sean Payton and are going with the younger Gannon who currently is with Eagles on apparent road to Super Bowl ".

Most seem to indicate that Sean Payton would not go to Houston but that would be his choice not texans.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I still like the instant credibility Sean Payton brings to the Texans organization. I also believe the Texans have the best overall long-term situation among the teams looking to hire any HC.
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Of the list that had been posted of our interviewees, he's the one I want the least.

I mean, I'll be happy enough if we land him, but I don't expect a lot from him. He's never developed a QB that I can think of. We'll basically be back to O'Brien's E-P offense, which a lot of people here were done with. And iirc, no coach has won a SB with one team and then come back to win a SB with another. There have been coaches that have lost a SB with one team and then come back with another to win it.

But I won't ***** about him. I'll get behind him and root for him. I'd just be more excited by the rest of the list.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Colin Cowheard didn’t even get to finish the “Texans possibility” question, when Sean answered pretty enthusiastically that he would be interested in the Texans job. He mentioned he had briefly met Cal during joint team practices in the past and knew Caserio.

I believe Sean see’s the Texans as a better team than their record would indicate. He believes their turnaround could be quicker than expected. Like I mentioned before…..the Texans are a ground level franchise in 2023 that any new HC and staff could make into their long-term vision. That’s going to be appealing.

Texans would have to give up their RD1-012 pick, but they also have the #2 pick. There’d be no reason that pick wouldn’t peak the interest of Seattle or Detroit, who might have the desire to move up in order to select their QB. The Texans could find themselves right back in the driver’s seat with (2) RD1 picks……and maybe an additional RD2 or RD3.

I still like the instant credibility Sean Payton brings to the Texans organization. I also believe the Texans have the best overall long-term situation among the teams looking to hire any HC.
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Jonathan Gannon who has led the Eagles to extremely high defensive rankings is bringing in quarterback coach Brian Johnson who has helped Jalen Hurts leap to a higher level and possibly Munchak to be offensive line coach, adds some pretty good credibility also. Gannon hasn't done what Payton has as HC but most would be willing to give him a shot. I want to see what he brings with that pick 12.
 
Lucky said:
Sean Payton has run a WCO since he's been a HC in New Orleans and 3 years as an OC with the Giants.
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While he is a good coach. Every coach has a shelf life. Look at what happened with Lovie. Trying to run the 90s type system in 2022. Payton has been consistent for a long time but looked to be showing his age last we saw him on a sideline. I honestly would rather go with a younger guy who is not stuck in a time frame. Who is adapted to or will to what the game is now. Someone who is smart enough to alter the game plan at any time.
 
SnakeEyes said:
While he is a good coach. Every coach has a shelf life. Look at what happened with Lovie. Trying to run the 90s type system in 2022. Payton has been consistent for a long time but looked to be showing his age last we saw him on a sideline. I honestly would rather go with a younger guy who is not stuck in a time frame. Who is adapted to or will to what the game is now. Someone who is smart enough to alter the game plan at any time.
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False

He almost made the playoffs 2 years ago when they lost a home game to a hurricane, we're a badly injured team, they used something like 6 kickers and had Winston as their QB. In no way has the game passed Payton by.

Yes, He's only won one SB, but he was unlucky, the Minnesota miracle and the officials screwed him out of a couple of more SB appearances.

Give me some of that.
 
SnakeEyes said:
While he is a good coach. Every coach has a shelf life. Look at what happened with Lovie. Trying to run the 90s type system in 2022. Payton has been consistent for a long time but looked to be showing his age last we saw him on a sideline. I honestly would rather go with a younger guy who is not stuck in a time frame. Who is adapted to or will to what the game is now. Someone who is smart enough to alter the game plan at any time.
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Sean McVay is the only young coach to win a Super Bowl in the past decade
 
michaelm said:
This seems like a Rooney rule interview. I don't know anything about the coach, but it doesn't feel like he's a serious contender.
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Brown interviewed for the Dolphins HC vacancy last year. He seems to have the Mike Tomlin vibe.
 
I don't think Brown is the guy. I doubt if Evero is the guy. This seems like a five man horse race - maybe 6 with Kafka.

If I had to power rank these 6 most likely to least likely to be hired, I'm going Gannon, Payton, Ryans, Steichen, Ben Johnson, and Kafka at 6. The other two that we know about...to me at least aren't serious considerations.

I've moved Payton up several notches today and I now think it could actually happen. Dallas Won big. LAC still has Staley. His own comments about the Texans were encouraging. The hiring of the GM in Arizona. I mean why are you hiring a GM if you want Payton? Makes no sense. You hire Payton and then hire the GM he wants. Carolina to me doesn't make any sense. I'll probably be wrong and he goes there...but I just don't see the fit.

That leaves Houston and Denver. So, as the potential landing spots shrink, and you're still in the ring, your odds go up...while the leverage N.O. has for compensation goes down.

Folks...this is a 2 man's race and the Texans are in the driver's seat.

And I'll give it to Denver on the area you want to live in. No question that's Denver. And I'll give it to them on their history of winning, great fanbase, etc. But Russell Wilson? I don't know. Does Payton think he's washed, or that it was a poorly designed offense and he can bring Wilson back to his former glory? Then look at the draft capital that Denver gave up to get him.

Then look at H-Town. Flush with draft capital, the cap is in increasingly better shape going forward, and you can hand select your fresh-faced QB as a rookie and mold him like you wish. No reclamation project - you're starting with the young guy and then build and design a whole offense around him from the ground up. To me at least, this is more desirable.

I'm not even saying he is my personal pick....but the odds are increasingly favoring the Texans being a very serious contender for Payton IMHO.
 
Thorn said:
It snows in Denver. Why the **** would anybody want to live there?
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I wouldn't necessarily want to live in Denver. But Boulder or some of the bedroom communities like Westminster or Castle Rock would be nice.
 
Scratch Ben Johnson off the board. He’s going to take another year to become a better candidate like DeMeco did last season.

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Lions OC Ben Johnson Informs Teams He's Staying With Detroit

According to Tom Pelissero, Lions OC Ben Johnson has informed interested teams that he will remain with Detroit next season. This comes after Johnson completed an interview with the Texans for their head coaching vacancy,
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TheRealJoker said:
Scratch Ben Johnson off the board. He’s going to take another year to become a better candidate like DeMeco did last season.

nfltraderumors.co

Lions OC Ben Johnson Informs Teams He's Staying With Detroit

According to Tom Pelissero, Lions OC Ben Johnson has informed interested teams that he will remain with Detroit next season. This comes after Johnson completed an interview with the Texans for their head coaching vacancy,
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Hope it works out for him. Sometimes you have to catch lightning in a bottle.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
My bad. I thought the Saints under Payton were running an E-P offense because of his time under Parcells in Dallas.
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It’s really hard to tell by looking. You can make any offense look like any other offense. Look at the Patriots & the many iterations they went through with Brady & McDaniels.

Nowadays, the system is more about terminology & communicating.

What you see is more about philosophy.
 
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