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Should Mills be given the reins next season?

Lucky said:
I'm liking that Lovie is stepping up and becoming the face and voice of the franchise. This must be what leadership looks and sounds like.
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You're going to love the mediocrity.

63 yr old coaches aren't long for the NFL. Why are you glad that Lovie is becoming the face of the franchise? What has he ever won?
 
steelbtexan said:
You're going to love the mediocrity.

63 yr old coaches aren't long for the NFL. Why are you glad that Lovie is becoming the face of the franchise? What has he ever won?
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Age is just a number. Lovie looks more fit than me, & I'm not 50

But when you say long term, what are you thinking? 6 years? 4 years?

Right now I'm just looking for a coach that can turn this thing around. I'm more confident that Lovie can do that than any of the "finalists"

Hopefully he can turn this into a winning team. If we don't believe he can get us to the next level, true contenders... move on.

He's like Mills. I don't think Mills is a Championship level QB. But until I see that Championship QB, I'm going to roll with Mills.
 
JB said:
He will look even better if they can get a running game established
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Double Barrel said:
No doubt about it. Really get any kind of running game going at this point since they were dead last with running the ball in 2021, iirc.

I'm actually looking forward to 2022 because of Mills and Love. No predictions, but just looking forward to seeing improvement.
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…..yes, the forbidden fruit. We as Texans fans got to taste this fruit in the Chargers game. A game where we got to see what a functioning and complete team could look like. It was sweet and satisfying, but left us wanting more…..dammit Caserio, let’s find some more of that fruit.

LOL, but Mills has provided enough positive clips along with a couple of complete games late in the season to show me that the game was slowing down for him within his first season. His best games of the season came late and well after teams had enough film on him to create game plans to confuse a RD3 rookie QB. Instead, Mills excelled down the stretch to possibly become the best rookie QB of the 2021 NFL Draft. This team must get Mills a better OL, RB’s that can create a running game, and a TE who can block, chip block, and run effective routes so he could really enjoy his next season.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
…..yes, the forbidden fruit. We as Texans fans got to taste this fruit in the Chargers game. A game where we got to see what a functioning and complete team could look like. It was sweet and satisfying, but left us wanting more…..dammit Caserio, let’s find some more of that fruit.

LOL, but Mills has provided enough positive clips along with a couple of complete games late in the season to show me that the game was slowing down for him within his first season. His best games of the season came late and well after teams had enough film on him to create game plans to confuse a RD3 rookie QB. Instead, Mills excelled down the stretch to possibly become the best rookie QB of the 2021 NFL Draft. This team must get Mills a better OL, RB’s that can create a running game, and a TE who can block, chip block, and run effective routes so he could really enjoy his next season.
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Saw reported this week, that regarding completion to interception ratio, over the last 5 games, Mills was ranked #6 among ALL QB's.
 
texanprincess said:
Lovie's the younger version of Belichick.

Wonder why the guys that love Lovie seem to hate Mills?
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I've not noticed this among posters. It appears the love for Lovie stems from he is a safe hire and isn't Culley or McCown without any experience or Flores with the potential distraction of his lawsuits.

Since you noticed this. Why do you think that's the case?
 
If you have read or listened to what Lovie has said, Mills is his guy. At the very least he will be his guy in 2022-2023. Lovie said he liked pretty much everything Mills did and commented on his ability to lead, read a D, make every throw, shake off bad plays and teammates like him.

Here is another article I just found

www.battleredblog.com

Lovie Smith: “Davis Mills Is Our Quarterback Heading Into The Season”

www.battleredblog.com www.battleredblog.com
 
I'll be watching the highlights after each game to see how things go with Mills. However, with stats like that, a 3rd Round QB may be what the Texans need to right the ship. The level of humble and prove it seem balanced in this kid. The Texans need more of that after all this other crap. Lovie will give Mills the time to develop. I mean, Mills certainly looks more talented than Rex Grossman.
 
Wolfiegrrl said:
I'll be watching the highlights after each game to see how things go with Mills. However, with stats like that, a 3rd Round QB may be what the Texans need to right the ship. The level of humble and prove it seem balanced in this kid. The Texans need more of that after all this other crap. Lovie will give Mills the time to develop. I mean, Mills certainly looks more talented than Rex Grossman.
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I also like his calm demeanor.
It would seem we have a pocket passer, which is the preferred option. If you have one of those who can also tuck it and run, then you have yourself a dual threat.
I don't recall him being much of a threat with his legs but oh well, for the time being we should play the hand we're dealt and keep on building the team regardless.
I can't see any QBs in this draft that have me drooling and certainly none that I feel are worth our #3 pick.
 
Texansphan said:
Good vid. Some cool stats in there.
I knew he did well over the last four games but didn't realize he was top 15 in the league overall based on QBR.
How can one not be excited about his future - especially with an upgrade around him?
For one so raw, he has justified his shot at another season.
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Another good reason to focus the draft on offense. I've supported drafting OL with our first two picks. I'm now beginning to lean toward drafting skill players, as well, on day two. Don't know if Lovie would be in agreement, going so heavily offense and at the expense of defense. A lot will depend on what we can get in free agency.
 
Number19 said:
Another good reason to focus the draft on offense. I've supported drafting OL with our first two picks. I'm now beginning to lean toward drafting skill players, as well, on day two. Don't know if Lovie would be in agreement, going so heavily offense and at the expense of defense. A lot will depend on what we can get in free agency.
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Totally agree with you.

Gotta upgrade the OL and get Mills some weapons to work with.
 
Number19 said:
Another good reason to focus the draft on offense. I've supported drafting OL with our first two picks. I'm now beginning to lean toward drafting skill players, as well, on day two. Don't know if Lovie would be in agreement, going so heavily offense and at the expense of defense. A lot will depend on what we can get in free agency.
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Texans simply must land some good FAs - this will take a lot of pressure off the first two picks we have in this draft.
 
thunderkyss said:
You believe his guy was Gannon. I believe his guy was McCown. The evidence supports McCown more than Gannon.

You believe he should have been able to hire "his guy" I think we dodged a bullet.
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Yes we disagree.

Calhoun hired the man and told him to run the football opps. The fact that he didn't get to call the shots bothers me more than who was/wasn't hired. We were lied too. nothing more or less.
 
steelbtexan said:
The fact that he didn't get to call the shots bothers me more than who was/wasn't hired.
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Not too long ago, Cal decided Bill O'Brien should run his football operations. Cal sat back & watched multiple bad trades, contracts, & coaching decisions that made this one of, if not the most, poorly run organizations.

He thought he made a mistake, dumped that guy & hired Caserio to run his football operation & watched him botch his 1st HC hire. Caserio said as much when he said, "It's better for you to buy out his contract than to let him keep coaching your team. I royally screwed this up."

I'm glad Cal stepped in & hope Caserio is fired after the draft.
 
thunderkyss said:
Not too long ago, Cal decided Bill O'Brien should run his football operations. Cal sat back & watched multiple bad trades, contracts, & coaching decisions that made this one of, if not the most, poorly run organizations.

He thought he made a mistake, dumped that guy & hired Caserio to run his football operation & watched him botch his 1st HC hire. Caserio said as much when he said, "It's better for you to buy out his contract than to let him keep coaching your team. I royally screwed this up."

I'm glad Cal stepped in & hope Caserio is fired after the draft.
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I think due to the Derrick situation it was mandated that Caserio hire a minority HC. H didn't want to do this so he hired Culley as a placeholder. Then Culley started talking about retaining TK as OC, so he had to go. Both hires have been for the wrong reasons. Although I like Culley. If Calhoun keeps running the team like his daddy did they will fail and you will get what you want. Caserio fired.

Funny thing is despite his many mistakes, Culley won about as many games as the talent he had to work with dictated.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I think due to the Derrick situation it was mandated that Caserio hire a minority HC. H didn't want to do this so he hired Culley as a placeholder. Then Culley started talking about retaining TK as OC, so he had to go. Both hires have been for the wrong reasons. Although I like Culley.
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However you want to spin it. $20M mistake.

steelbtexan said:
If Calhoun keeps running the team like his daddy did they will fail and you will get what you want. Caserio fired.
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Hopefully Caserio learns from his mistakes & Cal won't have to make decisions he's not suited for. If he does fire Caserio, hopefully he'll hire someone that can make those decisions.
 
thunderkyss said:
However you want to spin it. $20M mistake.


Hopefully Caserio learns from his mistakes & Cal won't have to make decisions he's not suited for. If he does fire Caserio, hopefully he'll hire someone that can make those decisions.
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Atleast that money didn't count against the cap. You would think that Caserio was spending the fans 20 mil if you didn't know better.
 
steelbtexan said:
You would think that Caserio was spending the fans 20 mil if you didn't know better.
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I couldn't care less. But it's indicitive of how bad a mistake it was. Just imagine you bought season tickets thinking things were being done differently on Kirby. Then right after you made that decision you learn you were hoodwinked. Wouldn't you be upset & make decisions differently?

Don't trust that sucker that hoodwinked you into buying those season tickets. Similarly, don't trust that sucker that hired an unqualified coach & paid him $20M for one year. Especially when he wants his 2nd HC (McCown) to be even less qualified.
 
thunderkyss said:
I couldn't care less. But it's indicitive of how bad a mistake it was. Just imagine you bought season tickets thinking things were being done differently on Kirby. Then right after you made that decision you learn you were hoodwinked. Wouldn't you be upset & make decisions differently?

Don't trust that sucker that hoodwinked you into buying those season tickets. Similarly, don't trust that sucker that hired an unqualified coach & paid him $20M for one year. Especially when he wants his 2nd HC (McCown) to be even less qualified.
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From what I read McCown was a Easterby choice and Caserio wanted either Gannon or Flores. The thing was Caserio and Easterby couldn’t come to an agreement, so Cal made an executive decision.
 
Texansballer74 said:
From what I read McCown was a Easterby choice and Caserio wanted either Gannon or Flores. The thing was Caserio and Easterby couldn’t come to an agreement, so Cal made an executive decision.
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It doesn't matter what Easterby wanted. That Caserio entertained Josh McCown as HC is the issue. Doesn't matter how he got there.

& I definitely do not believe Caserio & Easterby has to agree on anything. If that's true, that's another reason he needs to be shown the door.
 
thunderkyss said:
It doesn't matter what Easterby wanted. That Caserio entertained Josh McCown as HC is the issue. Doesn't matter how he got there.

& I definitely do not believe Caserio & Easterby has to agree on anything. If that's true, that's another reason he needs to be shown the door.
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Cal has given Easterby that much power and we both know they do thing butt backwards. That’s not on Caserio, it’s on the owner.
 
CWTexansFan said:
Who'd you take in it?
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In that one….I believe it was WR- Chris Olave (Ohio State), RB- Breece Hall (Iowa State), RB- Pierre Strong, Jr (South Dakota State), and SWR- Danny Gray (SMU). All 4 of these guys had solid and productive CFB careers. All 4 hit the 40 between 4.33 and 4.39 which is much needed speed for Mills and the offense.

With most of the OL returning, I only added one OG. I believe it was RG- Salyer (Georgia) for the right side to go along with Heck. I believe Tunsil and Howard will be handling the left side. Britt and Morrissey will hold Center. I might’ve taken RT- Andrew Stueber (Michigan) late. He has every attribute Warhop covets in an offensive lineman.
 
SI: Davis Mills' Future: Texans Franchise QB or Backup?

Texans may still be looking for franchise quarterback despite Davis Mills' solid rookie season
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“Certainly wouldn’t jump to any conclusions. I would say specific to Davis, Davis had opportunities last year and did a nice job with those opportunities, but we’re going to start from scratch a little bit,” Houston general manager Caserio told reporters last week. “I would say when you get into the draft, you really don’t want to necessarily eliminate any position or particular player.

"You just want to look at it with the mentality and just figure out what makes the most sense for the organization. It’s about picking good players, it’s about picking the right players that you think fit what you’re trying to do.”

Houston took Mills with 67th overall last year, and Caserio admitted the former Stanford quarterback “has certainly earned an opportunity here, and that’s kind of the extent of what he’s earned. I think he’s excited about the chances that he has in front of him, and we’ll see how it all unfolds.”

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Caserio's quote has a sort of let-him-compete-for-the-job vibe to it. Although I'm not sure who he would be competing against at this point.
 
Double Barrel said:
Caserio's quote has a sort of let-him-compete-for-the-job vibe to it. Although I'm not sure who he would be competing against at this point.
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Right.
I don't know what more he could have expected from a not just rookie, but a green rookie with the lack of experience and playing time he had through college and a partial season in the league, with a less than ideal roster around him.
Furthermore, what can he possibly see in the prospects in this draft?
He must think Mills is satisfactory at least for now else he would have made moves for Ryan and Russell Wilson but nada and I don't see anyone better than those two in the draft.
I think he is playing possum with the other teams.
 
Texansphan said:
Right.
I don't know what more he could have expected from a not just rookie, but a green rookie with the lack of experience and playing time he had through college and a partial season in the league, with a less than ideal roster around him.
Furthermore, what can he possibly see in the prospects in this draft?
He must think Mills is satisfactory at least for now else he would have made moves for Ryan and Russell Wilson but nada and I don't see anyone better than those two in the draft.
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Yep. I'm good with either approach - i.e. let him compete vs. naming him starter - and I'm interested in seeing how they go about doing it.

I think he's shown enough potential to invest another season while they start their rebuild, so I don't have a problem with whatever they choose to do right now.

Just protect him, give him some viable weapons, and a semblance of a running game. Otherwise, it'll be tough to have an objective evaluation if he's getting the Carr treatment.
 
Double Barrel said:
Yep. I'm good with either approach - i.e. let him compete vs. naming him starter - and I'm interested in seeing how they go about doing it.
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I’m looking for someone special. Someone I’d trade two 1st round picks to get if I have to. All the better if I don’t have to.

But if they feel Pickett is a franchise guy, they need to go get him. If they feel Strong is a franchise guy they need to get him.

I don’t think they should get a guy, just to get a guy, even if the rest of the league thinks he’s a once in a lifetime prospect.
Double Barrel said:
I think he's shown enough potential to invest another season while they start their rebuild
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I don’t want them to waste a pick on someone they don’t think is special. Mills is good enough to wait until next season to draft a QB, or the year after.
 
thunderkyss said:
I’m looking for someone special. Someone I’d trade two 1st round picks to get if I have to. All the better if I don’t have to.

But if they feel Pickett is a franchise guy, they need to go get him. If they feel Strong is a franchise guy they need to get him.

I don’t think they should get a guy, just to get a guy, even if the rest of the league thinks he’s a once in a lifetime prospect.

I don’t want them to waste a pick on someone they don’t think is special. Mills is good enough to wait until next season to draft a QB, or the year after.
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I read somewhere a month or so ago that said if Mills was in this draft, he likely goes in the 1st as one of the better ones - this wasn't saying he is that good, but that the other QBs we're not much better.
 
Texansphan said:
I read somewhere a month or so ago that said if Mills was in this draft, he likely goes in the 1st as one of the better ones - this wasn't saying he is that good, but that the other QBs we're not much better.
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I heard that too. I don’t put much stock in it.

He’s got the physical traits you want to see in a 1st round QB but not the production. I don’t think one college season is enough to put him in the conversation.

But that doesn’t matter.

Russell Wilson wasn’t drafted in the 1st round, Prescott wasn’t drafted in the 1st round. But if those drafts were redone today I bet they’d go in the 1st round.

I hope after the 2022 season we’ll be saying the same about Mills.
 
Texansphan said:
I read somewhere a month or so ago that said if Mills was in this draft, he likely goes in the 1st as one of the better ones - this wasn't saying he is that good, but that the other QBs we're not much better.
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Apparently last yrs QB's weren't very good either since Mills was the best rookie QB the last month of the season. He even outplayed Herbert.
 
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