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I know we can’t form a complete picture of a player from one game. & everyone has good games & bad games.

still… help me find something good about Kayvon against Iowa. Throughout this video I’m no seeing anything. No power, no explosiveness, no speed, no hands, no motor. if I didn’t see highlights & heard all the talk about him I wouldn’t even think about looking at another game.

was he coming off injury? Was he playing injured? Was he overwhelmed with emotional grief?

 
I eagerly began the college football season observing Kayvon Thibodeaux. Unfortunately I was not impressed and then even worse he was injured. Also if I remember correctly he missed a game or at least a part of game due to a targeting call Early in the season. I do know that I watched both the University of Washington and Washington State scheme him into basically ineffectiveness. There was one lesser-known college that he had a All Pro type game against a junior college. I have been extremely hopeful that the Detroit Lions would select him with their first round one pick. My review of many Mocks from many sources indicate he is beginning to lose his shine. I do think that he will have a monster combine and my hope will be fulfilled when Detroit selects him. I see him as a ClowneyType player who will not live up to the pre-draft hype. Most probably know that I am not a huge fan of Evan Neal either but again hope that the Jags select him.

I realize it wasn't asked but I am also unsure of Derek Stingley who has done little since his stratospheric freshman season of 6 INTs. I read an article saying he looked overwhelmed his last few games in 2020 against ranked teams. Unfortunately I lost that article and have been unable to find it. His injury from all reports I can find should be healed completely by beginning of the 2022 season. Is it a gamble that we should be willing to take? Stingley's ceiling in my opinion is very high. His floor is not clear IMO.
If Hutch is available he's my choice. If not I want trade down... Eagles?
 
I prefer David Ojabo over Thibs and if we got him and Hutch.. whooee.
If Hutch gone, Cameron Thomas is next man up.
 
thunderkyss said:
I know we can’t form a complete picture of a player from one game. & everyone has good games & bad games.

still… help me find something good about Kayvon against Iowa. Throughout this video I’m no seeing anything. No power, no explosiveness, no speed, no hands, no motor. if I didn’t see highlights & heard all the talk about him I wouldn’t even think about looking at another game.

was he coming off injury? Was he playing injured? Was he overwhelmed with emotional grief?
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I thought it was an ok if by and large unspectacular performance. B-.

He consistently fought to maintain a strong edge against the run. It seemed a concerted effort was made by ISU's coaching staff to leave as little opportunity as possible with KT one on one in pass rush situations with double teams, cut blocks, designs away from him, etc, and that's totally fair. He didn't do a ton with those few opportunities but there were a handful of times he clearly hurried the qb. Had a really nice, hard-nose 4th and goal tackle. Strong tackle for a loss on a reverse or jet sweep type play (sorry, typing after watching the vid) and another TFL later while shedding a block from a LT like it was nothing.

Never felt like he was just 'not there', just that he was against a well coached ISU team and a few of those oh so close plays just didn't quite make it. Thought on the whole it was actually a well disciplined game with a solid effort and some quality read/reaction against the run with very little in the way of breaks.

I'm not banging the table for Kayvon either btw, or anyone else right now for that matter, just giving my piddly 2 cents regarding the question..
 
The first thing that caused me to pause was Thibodaux's last of sacks (7) relative to the hype he was getting as the best player in the draft. If he not putting Pac 12 QBs on their butt, why should I assume his freak athletic skills will translate to doing that NFL. When I saw KT play, I picked up on a lot of what Mollywhopper posted above. Very good at setting the edge and all aspects of run defense, and made a freak move sack, but didn't pressure consistently nor finish enough to be the clear number 1 pick in the draft.
 
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The candy eye test is best when it’s apples vs apples. Iowa has a stellar OL. Tyler Linderbaum is my #1 OL in the draft. That being said Keyvon has get off explosion like Von Miller and brute strength of Khalil Mack. Trust me he is elite, just probably not biggest need or best fit for Texans. Love him as a person, great character, best fit Detroit.
 
beerlover said:
The candy eye test is best when it’s apples vs apples. Iowa has a stellar OL. Tyler Linderbaum is my #1 OL in the draft. That being said Keyvon has get off explosion like Von Miller and brute strength of Khalil Mack. Trust me he is elite, just probably not biggest need or best fit for Texans. Love him as a person, great character, best fit Detroit.
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Do you see him as a stand up edge rusher like Von Miller, Khalil Mack, Clay Matthews?

Could he be a 3 point rusher like Matthew Judon, Chandler Jones, Robert Quin?
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
The first thing that caused me to pause was Thibodaux's last of sacks (7) relative to the hype he was getting as the best player in the draft. If he not putting Pac 12 QBs on their butt, why should I assume his freak athletic skills will translate to doing that NFL. When I saw KT play, I picked up on a lot of what Mollywhopper posted above. Very good at setting the edge and all aspects of run defense, and made a freak move sack, but didn't pressure consistently nor finish enough to be the clear number 1 pick in the draft.
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It's interesting the lack of production and the comparisons to Clowney given those sack totals together with the exceptional athleticism. Got me wondering what history tells us about guys who didn't have eye-popping college numbers but were drafted high for their traits and whatnot.

Apparently this guy was curious as well and thankfully he did the research..

Miami Dolphins linked to two pass rushers with modest sack numbers. What history tells us

I think it tells us that production is nice, it's certainly preferred, but it's not an end all be all indicator of pro outcome. There are so many valuable data points on a player scouting evaluation, best to let them come together to tell as clear a picture as possible. Problem for us as fans on the outside of the process is not getting a good look at a player's 'human factor' - just what kind of person/professional are they/will they be. How will one respond to being handed the bag as an 'nfl star'?
 
Mollywhopper said:
It's interesting the lack of production and the comparisons to Clowney given those sack totals together with the exceptional athleticism. Got me wondering what history tells us about guys who didn't have eye-popping college numbers but were drafted high for their traits and whatnot.

Apparently this guy was curious as well and thankfully he did the research..

Miami Dolphins linked to two pass rushers with modest sack numbers. What history tells us

I think it tells us that production is nice, it's certainly preferred, but it's not an end all be all indicator of pro outcome. There are so many valuable data points on a player scouting evaluation, best to let them come together to tell as clear a picture as possible. Problem for us as fans on the outside of the process is not getting a good look at a player's 'human factor' - just what kind of person/professional are they/will they be. How will one respond to being handed the bag as an 'nfl star'?
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Behind the pay window for me. Without seeing the who and when drafted, my general thought when I see best player the draft is an equal parts formula of athletic traits+ football skill + production= best player. From a Texans fan standpoint, I have seen the prototype pass rusher thing twice. Good thing the Texans have probably played their way out of the top two picks.
 
Texian said:
Take a look at George Karlaftis, he's much like Ryan Kerrigan. Like Hutchinson, Karlaftis is very strong with an excellent bull rush. Cameron Thomas does not have that bull rush and was disappointing in his bowl game.
George Karlaftis | 2021 Highlights - YouTube
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You mind looking at the video at the beginning of this thread & tell me what you think about Thibodeaux based on that game alone?
 
thunderkyss said:
You mind looking at the video at the beginning of this thread & tell me what you think about Thibodeaux based on that game alone?
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I've watched a couple of Thibodeaux games this year and have come away somewhat disappointed. To be fair to Thibodeaux, IMO he has been playing out of position as 3 - 4 DE in Oregon. Again IMO, I see Thibodeaux more as SLB in a 3 - 4 D. He is the right size, the quickness and athleticism to play 3 -4 LB in the NFL. More than enough to cover the TE and RBs coming out of the backfield. I think the Combine will show that he is not DL strong. I see him more like a player in the style of Willie McGinest.

The Iowa St video kind of confirms my analysis. When playing with his hand down he was easily neutralized on most every play. He doesn't really have a quick first step from a 3-point stance. He was much more effective and a threat when he was standing up. He did play more with his hand in the dirt because IMO their D was concentrating on stopping Breece Hall. And against the run he was a non-factor as 3 - 4 DE. If Thibodeaux is drafted as a 3 - 4 DE it will be a disappointing disaster, IMO. A 4 - 3 DE would still be a disappointment, maybe a little less so. A 3 - 4 LB and he is likely a multiple season pro bowl player.

IMO - If he's drafted as a 3 -4 LB, he's a plug in and play player immediately. If he's drafted as a DE then he will need to add 20 - 30 lbs., a lot more strength and that's a 2-to-3-year process. Even then, you still don't what he will be.
 
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Mr teX said:
no doubt a lot of that is going to happen….b/c it happens every year….but most teams still on average dont trade all the way up into the top 5 b/c it’s too costly. Then when you add in the fact that there will be potentially 3 proven franchise guys in Rodgers, Wilson and DW4 available for trade…( not to mention others who could be up traded…Carr/Jimmy G) it really becomes cost prohibitive for these teams to throw away draft capital to move up in the draft for guys that haven’t played a down in the NFL.
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Not only will those options (Rodgers, Wilson or even DW4) cost significant draft capital, will also cost a huge chunk of cap space. Teams without cap space will jump on those rookie 5-year low-cost options, which makes them more attractive.
 
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