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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

Corrosion said:
Yes , they should eventually get some cap relief .... its a matter of time.

They could void the entire extension as it is .... but they are holding out hope of getting draft compensation. I wonder if that's a fools errand.

Goodell hasn't put him on the CEL because it harms the Texans and gives Watson what he wants - getting paid and not playing for the Texans - when the whole issue is Watson's fault - the team is an innocent bystander, I don't think he will do that unless Watson shows up in camp. Him showing up is a real possibility because it forces Goodell's hand .... knowing the league doesn't want him on the field until / IF he clears himself of the pending criminal charges.

All of this was caused by Watson's actions including his wanting out of Houston because they weren't "Loyal" to him .... He expected the team to take his side no matter what and they just cannot do that with these allegations. They have to take the side of what's right .... and from all appearances , Watson aint on the right side of this.

If what I've been told of the description of these events is factual .... I don't care about draft compensation , I hope the guy never plays another down and spends the next couple decades in behind bars.
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Yep this goes beyond predatory behavior. I wonder just how many women he did this to.
 
Corrosion said:
You really think that's the "American" thing to do when he has yet to be charged with a crime much less convicted ?
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Puts me in mind of the 1919 Black Sox Scandle, when baseball's first commissioner, Kennesaw Landis, permanently banned from playing major league baseball, eight Chicago White Sox players, after being found not guilty in a court of law. Some were unquestionably guilty of throwing games; several were questionably not guilty.
 
Corrosion said:
You really think that's the "American" thing to do when he has yet to be charged with a crime much less convicted ?
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Well he seems to have been convicted here and if there's enough folks feeling that way shouldn't fans be heard? If he has done enough to embarrass NFL why has it not acted? He doesn't have to be charged with a crime or convicted if what all the attorney Types on here are saying is correct and I suppose it is.

I think it says something about what NFL thinks or more likely they just want to jump the 'correct' way when they finally jump.
 
Corrosion said:
You really think that's the "American" thing to do when he has yet to be charged with a crime much less convicted ?
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Reminds me of when the Cowboys cut Lucky Whitehead, a player on the bubble at best regardless, "to send a message" after the news broke that he stole $30 worth of stuff from a convenience store. Then, when it turned out the next day that it wasn't him, just some dude who used his name, they kept him cut and refused to answer questions about what "message" this was sending.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The rape charges were dismissed in 2017 after the victim declined to testify.
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Corrosion said:
You really think that's the "American" thing to do when he has yet to be charged with a crime much less convicted ?
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IMO, this is where Watson needs to be. He’s got to settle the 11+ criminal cases & the most egregious civil cases if he’s going to stay out of jail & try to repair his career.

I can’t imagine he still wants to “clear his name.”
 
badboy said:
Can but do not have to. You and others on both sides are just locked into the way you think things should go. I respect all of your views but have my own which is wait-and-see with optimism. And like you said if filed..
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Optimism that if guilty justice will be served in the form of jail time?

Or optimism that DW4 gets off (Pun intended) and the Texans are able to trade DW4 for the bounty you've listed in the trade thread?
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
I just want to know if while on the CEL does the player's salary still count against the team's cap during that period.
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I believe it would be credited to the next league year's cap , pretty much added roll over.

Not a bad outcome for a team that is building for tomorrow ....

badboy said:
Well he seems to have been convicted here and if there's enough folks feeling that way shouldn't fans be heard? If he has done enough to embarrass NFL why has it not acted? He doesn't have to be charged with a crime or convicted if what all the attorney Types on here are saying is correct and I suppose it is.

I think it says something about what NFL thinks or more likely they just want to jump the 'correct' way when they finally jump.
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Whether or not the fans have convicted him is irrelevant.

By acting and putting him on the CEL they are helping the player and hurting the team and remember Goodell works for the owners. He's doing right by the Texans by not placing him on the CEL and forcing him to show up or hold out - that's an added aspect tp this whole thing.
If Watson hadn't demanded a trade and said that he would not honor his contract , I believe Goodell would have put him on the CEL weeks ago.

IF Watson shows up he'll immediately be put on the CEL , if he holds out that's good for the Texans as he'll be at risk of not getting a credited season which has a whole lot of implications.
 
thunderkyss said:
IMO, this is where Watson needs to be. He’s got to settle the 11+ criminal cases & the most egregious civil cases if he’s going to stay out of jail & try to repair his career.

I can’t imagine he still wants to “clear his name.”
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There is no "settling" of criminal cases. He has to hope that the Felony cases either never make it to an indictment or that he wins each one that does.
The misdemeanor cases & the civil cases are all but irrelevant in the grand scheme , even if he loses he'll play again - after whatever suspension is handed down by the league.

Its those felony criminal cases he has to navigate his way thru unscathed .... One felony conviction and his career is done.
 
Corrosion said:
Yes , they should eventually get some cap relief .... its a matter of time.

They could void the entire extension as it is .... but they are holding out hope of getting draft compensation. I wonder if that's a fools errand.

Goodell hasn't put him on the CEL because it harms the Texans and gives Watson what he wants - getting paid and not playing for the Texans - when the whole issue is Watson's fault - the team is an innocent bystander, I don't think he will do that unless Watson shows up in camp. Him showing up is a real possibility because it forces Goodell's hand .... knowing the league doesn't want him on the field until / IF he clears himself of the pending criminal charges.

All of this was caused by Watson's actions including his wanting out of Houston because they weren't "Loyal" to him .... He expected the team to take his side no matter what and they just cannot do that with these allegations. They have to take the side of what's right .... and from all appearances , Watson aint on the right side of this.

If what I've been told of the description of these events is factual .... I don't care about draft compensation , I hope the guy never plays another down and spends the next couple decades in behind bars.
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If DW4 forces God'ells hand, you can bet DW4 will be getting a full yr suspension if not more. That's if DW4 can beat the rap.

You've seen how God'ell acts when his authority is challenged. What do you think God'ell will do?
 
Corrosion said:
I believe it would be credited to the next league year's cap , pretty much added roll over.

Not a bad outcome for a team that is building for tomorrow ....



Whether or not the fans have convicted him is irrelevant.

By acting and putting him on the CEL they are helping the player and hurting the team and remember Goodell works for the owners. He's doing right by the Texans by not placing him on the CEL and forcing him to show up or hold out - that's an added aspect tp this whole thing.
If Watson hadn't demanded a trade and said that he would not honor his contract , I believe Goodell would have put him on the CEL weeks ago.

IF Watson shows up he'll immediately be put on the CEL , if he holds out that's good for the Texans as he'll be at risk of not getting a credited season which has a whole lot of implications.
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But notice I did not say anything about the CEL. I said kick him out of football if they have the evidence and evidently it's there. As the article posted just above by CloaknnnDagger clearly says the NFL only needs the threat of violence. Regardless of Watson being guilty or not of anything he has embarrassed the league and the Houston Texans. So why haven't they kicked him out?
 
steelbtexan said:
If DW4 forces God'ells hand, you can bet DW4 will be getting a full yr suspension if not more. That's if DW4 can beat the rap.

You've seen how God'ell acts when his authority is challenged. What do you think God'ell will do?
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No idea at this point .... we'll have to wait and see the legal outcome first.

Problem is , if he's on the CEL he could be there 2 years or more before all the litigation is done.

He'd be paid but if he were found guilty he'd have to give all the money he was paid while on CEL back to the league.
 
badboy said:
But notice I did not say anything about the CEL. I said kick him out of football if they have the evidence and evidently it's there. As the article posted just above by CloaknnnDagger clearly says the NFL only needs the threat of violence. Regardless of Watson being guilty or not of anything he has embarrassed the league and the Houston Texans. So why haven't they kicked him out?
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Players union wouldn't have any part of that .... without a conviction.
 
Corrosion said:
There is no "settling" of criminal cases. He has to hope that the Felony cases either never make it to an indictment or that he wins each one that does.
The misdemeanor cases & the civil cases are all but irrelevant in the grand scheme , even if he loses he'll play again - after whatever suspension is handed down by the league.

Its those felony criminal cases he has to navigate his way thru unscathed .... One felony conviction and his career is done.
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He can pay off these women through back channels and the women refuse to testify.
 
Corrosion said:
There is no "settling" of criminal cases. He has to hope that the Felony cases either never make it to an indictment or that he wins each one that does.
The misdemeanor cases & the civil cases are all but irrelevant in the grand scheme , even if he loses he'll play again - after whatever suspension is handed down by the league.

Its those felony criminal cases he has to navigate his way thru unscathed .... One felony conviction and his career is done.
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If the civil cases are resolved and NFL suspends him for 6 games first offense, is it possible the district attorney could decide not to pursue the criminal claims if the women are willing not to pursue those claims?
 
badboy said:
Perhaps it would not but again that was not my question Could the NFL do it? It would make the NFL look very responsible and proactive to this type of abuse.
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No , the league couldn't just ban him based upon accusations.

That's where we are at this point - accusations.

Even if they tried it would get overturned as the players union would appeal instantly.

Now if Watson takes a loss in the civil suit Or any one of the felony cases comes back with a guilty verdict - then we can talk about a ban.
 
Corrosion said:
From what I understand , the women who made felony accusations are not part of the civil suit.

Kinda hard to buy them out .....
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They don't have to be part of the Civil suits. From CnD's article was not about a civil suit. Ben Roethlisberger wasn't a civil case.

Rape is difficult to prove, period. These cases are even more difficult since they were not reported immediately, there were no rape kits, there is no physical evidence.

If the victim recants, or decides not to testify, even criminal cases are generally dropped.
 
Corrosion said:
No , the league couldn't just ban him based upon accusations.

That's where we are at this point - accusations.

Even if they tried it would get overturned as the players union would appeal instantly.

Now if Watson takes a loss in the civil suit Or any one of the felony cases comes back with a guilty verdict - then we can talk about a ban.
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The CBA says actions detrimental to NFL and DW has admitted to sex with more than one and also admitted to using many women which has caused embarrassing comments and cost Houston. NFL could also say his actions have cost other teams in PR, ticket sales, etc. How can the players union successfully argue that?
 
thunderkyss said:
They don't have to be part of the Civil suits. From CnD's article was not about a civil suit. Ben Roethlisberger wasn't a civil case.

Rape is difficult to prove, period. These cases are even more difficult since they were not reported immediately, there were no rape kits, there is no physical evidence.

If the victim recants, or decides not to testify, even criminal cases are generally dropped.
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This is what I expect to happen. As you say it is difficult to prove with only the two people in the room. Knowing that, I could see the DA not pursuing especially if the ladies are in some manner compensated.
 
thunderkyss said:
They don't have to be part of the Civil suits. From CnD's article was not about a civil suit. Ben Roethlisberger wasn't a civil case.

Rape is difficult to prove, period. These cases are even more difficult since they were not reported immediately, there were no rape kits, there is no physical evidence.

If the victim recants, or decides not to testify, even criminal cases are generally dropped.
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It’s still possible to be proven even without physical evidence. While not easy to prove, he has to remember he is in Texas. If taken to a grand jury, the DA likely believes they have a strong case
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
But you said that Hardin was setting him up for an appeal with the idiot statement. Hardin in no way will want his name associated with his mistake being the basis of appeal.
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Got it,

But I predict that's what's going to happen. New lawyers will do everything possible to keep DW4 out of jail as long as possible. This probably wont happen because DW4 will end up paying his signing bonus to the 30 plus women and this will all go away. This wont happen until 2022. IMHO, I think DW4 gets suspended for a yr, because you dont mess with the billionaire boys clubs money.
 
Corrosion said:
Little piece of information I came across recently:

There are 11 criminal cases pending against Watson.

At least two of those are felony cases claiming penetration of one sort or another.

The majority of these women are NOT represented by Buzbee. They didn't go the "civil route" looking for a settlement they went straight criminal.
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I saw something about this awhile ago. But, with all the stuff on Watson coming out I figured it was connected. Now I wonder if thats the cases that HPD is investigating. They said that it was tied to the Buzbee cases, however maybe they are not. They could very well be separate lawsuits with no tie to the Buzbee cases.
 
badboy said:
If the civil cases are resolved and NFL suspends him for 6 games first offense, is it possible the district attorney could decide not to pursue the criminal claims if the women are willing not to pursue those claims?
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Sure it's possible the women decide not to testify .... But lets be realistic here , there's 11 women , most of which are NOT part of the civil suits. The odds of all of them walking away are remote.
 
thunderkyss said:
They don't have to be part of the Civil suits. From CnD's article was not about a civil suit. Ben Roethlisberger wasn't a civil case.

Rape is difficult to prove, period. These cases are even more difficult since they were not reported immediately, there were no rape kits, there is no physical evidence.

If the victim recants, or decides not to testify, even criminal cases are generally dropped.
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I don't disagree , the main point of that statement was to show that those particular women were not out for a money grab , not being part of the civil suits.

And to add that there are more complainants than we first thought (22) .... now up to 31.

SnakeEyes said:
I saw something about this awhile ago. But, with all the stuff on Watson coming out I figured it was connected. Now I wonder if thats the cases that HPD is investigating. They said that it was tied to the Buzbee cases, however maybe they are not. They could very well be separate lawsuits with no tie to the Buzbee cases.
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9 are supposedly new cases , not related to Buzbee,
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Worth reading in entirety.

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NFL players accused of violent crimes rarely get suspended, Hearst analysis shows

Alex Stuckey, Staff writer
June 3, 2021Updated: June 3, 2021 1:16 p.m.


Ray McDonald was playing for the San Francisco 49ers in August 2014 when he was arrested for allegedly assaulting his pregnant fiance.

Charges were never filed. He never missed a game.

Four months later, in December 2014, McDonald became a suspect in a sexual assault case. The 49ers cut him from the team, but the NFL did not take action.

The Chicago Bears signed McDonald three months later, in March 2015. The rape charges were dismissed in 2017 after the victim declined to testify.

In May 2015, McDonald was in trouble yet again. He was arrested after allegedly assaulting his ex-fiancee in California while she was holding their infant son. A grand jury declined to indict him on the domestic violence charge.

The Bears cut him from the team. The NFL has not taken action, and McDonald has not played since.

Cases such as McDonald’s illustrate the NFL’s inconsistent punishment system for players accused of sexual and domestic violence, experts in sports and violence culture say: As long as a player is good and making a team money, they will receive some modicum of protection.

The league took steps to improve its domestic and sexual violence education — and strengthen its punishment policy — after Baltimore Ravens’ Ray Rice in 2014 knocked his then-fiancee unconscious in an elevator in Atlantic City. Now, the league’s baseline is a six-game suspension for the first violent — or threat of violence — offense and a lifetime ban for the second. The player does not have to be charged or convicted of a crime to receive this punishment.

It is very difficult to track how many NFL players are accused of violent offenses and whether they faced punishment by their teams or the league. The NFL does not maintain a public database of its disciplinary actions.

However, using a USA Today database supplemented by Hearst reporting, the newspaper found nearly 80 instances in which players had been accused of, cited, arrested or charged with violent offenses since January 2015, after the NFL revised its policy.

Only 27 of the 68 players examined by the Hearst received an NFL suspension, and often the punishments doled out were inconsistent. At least nine players from 2015 to present were repeatedly accused, arrested or charged with a violent crime, often before receiving any sanctions from the league.

About 32 percent of those nearly 80 instances resulted in punishment through the criminal justice system. In the instances they were not, cases are still ongoing, the players were acquitted or the charges were dropped. Some accusations were not reported to police or the alleged victims recanted their stories or declined to proceed.
THE REST OF THE STORY
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And there's that history I was talking about up-thread when I said the NFL likes to talk the talk but not necessarily walk the walk.

I've been told that times'a-changin', so we'll see. "Me, too" has been oddly silent about this very high profile case, tho'. . . :thinking:
 
Corrosion said:
I don't disagree , the main point of that statement was to show that those particular women were not out for a money grab , not being part of the civil suits.

And to add that there are more complainants than we first thought (22) .... now up to 31.



9 are supposedly new cases , not related to Buzbee,
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31? Have they filed civil or are these criminal
 
Corrosion said:
Little piece of information I came across recently:

There are 11 criminal cases pending against Watson.

At least two of those are felony cases claiming penetration of one sort or another.

The majority of these women are NOT represented by Buzbee. They didn't go the "civil route" looking for a settlement they went straight criminal.
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Not denying you by any means. Can you divulge your source or how confident you are in it? im just trying to digest this. Thnx
 
paycheck71 said:
Reminds me of when the Cowboys cut Lucky Whitehead, a player on the bubble at best regardless, "to send a message" after the news broke that he stole $30 worth of stuff from a convenience store. Then, when it turned out the next day that it wasn't him, just some dude who used his name, they kept him cut and refused to answer questions about what "message" this was sending.
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There was more than that incident which I don't think that alone would have contributed to the Cowboys firmly deciding to move on from him. His inconsistency, fumbles, late to team meetings and heard some issues with team mates. The combination of these things and probably some that were not revealed that derailed his future in the NFL.
 
Corrosion said:
I don't disagree , the main point of that statement was to show that those particular women were not out for a money grab , not being part of the civil suits.

And to add that there are more complainants than we first thought (22) .... now up to 31.



9 are supposedly new cases , not related to Buzbee,
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I see 9 and 7 so the numbers are up and down. Either way you look at it he has dug a grave. You have the civil lawsuit against him with numbers going up. Then you have criminal cases on top of that. He is not going to just walk on this. As far as a trade to "escape the Houston area"...not unless he wanted traded to a country that doesn't extradite. That's the only way he is going to be traded for now
 
Jack Burton said:
Probably. However, there is still a possibility he could buy his way out. And man, it’s gonna be expensive if that’s an option. I’m amazed he went this route. I’ve never seen a guy get such absolutely terrible advice. The fact he even went this way seriously calls into question him as a person. How he thought this was the right path is stunning.
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Ive always thought that, legal issues aside, this was going to be his biggest stumbling block for a team to want him, much less give up high draft choices for his baggage. I’m just glad we have two very serious personas as NC and DC to guide the Texans through this.
 
Watson's predicament just seems to get worse and worse. As does the Texans capability to retrieve any draft value from him. The only thing in the Texans favor I see right now is the dollar signs in the NFL's eyes never leave, and as long as he might be marketable, there's a chance the NFL will try to rehabilitate his image and let him play again. It's not like that hasn't happened with other players.
 
Thorn said:
Watson's predicament just seems to get worse and worse. As does the Texans capability to retrieve any draft value from him. The only thing in the Texans favor I see right now is the dollar signs in the NFL's eyes never leave, and as long as he might be marketable, there's a chance the NFL will try to rehabilitate his image and let him play again. It's not like that hasn't happened with other players.
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Wish someone will show me how putting makeup on him and letting him play again promotes the image and resources of the NFL. Don’t they already have better players and human examples to promote?
 
StarStruck said:
There was more than that incident which I don't think that alone would have contributed to the Cowboys firmly deciding to move on from him. His inconsistency, fumbles, late to team meetings and heard some issues with team mates. The combination of these things and probably some that were not revealed that derailed his future in the NFL.
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Oh, I know. I think there was a kidnapped dog situation earlier that year, too. I'm sure the Cowboys were going to cut him regardless because he wasn't good enough to endure the headache of having him on the roster, and finding out he was a "shoplifter" seemed like the perfect timing. Until the next day... Which was kind of comical when Garrett was answering questions the next day Marshawn Lynch style.
 
Dejaview said:
Wish someone will show me how putting makeup on him and letting him play again promotes the image and resources of the NFL. Don’t they already have better players and human examples to promote?
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It's too soon. Wait until the dust settle. Redemption stories are great entertainment value.

Of course, Watson will need to be humble and sincerely contrite about it, which are two traits noticeably absent from his on-going public defiance and perceived arrogance.
 
Double Barrel said:
It's too soon. Wait until the dust settle. Redemption stories are great entertainment value.

Of course, Watson will need to be humble and sincerely contrite about it, which are two traits noticeably absent from his on-going public defiance and perceived arrogance.
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Correct, but maaaaaan. Can having your butt fingered by dozens of masseuses, consensual sex with many, non consensual with some and the lingering fact of trying to change the NFL with his trade demands be a redemption story? The acts would have to be made very public before redemption can start. Personally I’d say Mahomes winning another SB would be easier.
 
Dejaview said:
Correct, but maaaaaan. Can having your butt fingered by dozens of masseuses, consensual sex with many, non consensual with some and the lingering fact of trying to change the NFL with his trade demands be a redemption story? The acts would have to be made very public before redemption can start. Personally I’d say Mahomes winning another SB would be easier.
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If Michael Vick can come back from killing dogs, Watson can come back from finger in the booty. When that might be though, is the big question.

I think this doesn’t get cleared up for a long while. We’re already talking depositions not getting done until after the Super Bowl, or right around there. If I were a betting man, I’d bet his contract ends up getting voided and the Texans get nothing out of it in the end.
 
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