Why are you bringing Watson into this ?
Don't understand the rush to defend him when he isn't even part of the discussion.
Their offense is pretty good and not just Henry - That was the discussion.
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Deshaun Watson... are we giving him a pass?
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Why are you bringing Watson into this ?
Don't understand the rush to defend him when he isn't even part of the discussion.
Their offense is pretty good and not just Henry - That was the discussion.
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Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Because you talk like they're the Tennessee Tannehill's, giving him all this credit that you don't give Watson. Tannehill has a run game from hell, Watson has ****, and somehow people see Tannehill as a better QB.
And maybe their offense is good without Henry, or maybe not. Tannehill is able to get big gains on those keepers because of the threat of Henry. They get bites on play action because of the threat of Henry, and that opens a lot of things up for them. Take him out, and let's see how effective that offense is.
And also, this is a WATSON thread, so THAT is the discussion.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Barry Sanders is a one in a billion player. Maybe 1-2 RBs I have ever seen are near the ability he had. Out of all the RBs that have played with film of them. Thats 3 RBs, I don't think Jim Brown had as much stop and go and spin as Barry. But, he is pretty close. And the other is LT, Tomlinson had some crazy ability. Was it equal to Barry, not quite but very close. After writing this I thought "in reality none of them were closed to Barry".
Anyway, back on topic. Are we giving Watson a pass. IMO some people are and some are just saying what every expert is saying as well. He is playing well and I am happy about that. However, due to a few things that he is doing/not doing we are leaving a few W's on the field. Nobody can argue with the first one. Holding the ball too long. And by doing so, he is taking unnecessary hits and sacks. Combine it with the ball placement being 5+ yards backwards after a sack. A 2nd and 2 can become a 3rd and 15 making the odds of a first lower. This causes a chance to win a few games with little time left slip away. Yes, it happens to everyone at times. However, Watson is bad about not just throwing it away. Compared to almost any QB he holds it too long by a decent margin. Hopefully he can get it together and start throwing it away. His main other issue is making incorrect choices as even stated by NFL.com in an article. It was the top worst trait of every NFL QB. I agree with the article on all of what they said.
So, 4-12 is Watson getting a pass? No. Seeing if he fixed the few problems we would be maybe 5-6 wins...not 10+
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Never meant to be an actual trade idea.....just an exercise in the what-if.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
.....you know that you're treading treacherously close to an "excuse" in this neck of the woods with a post like this? Only other NFL QB's are gifted this type of reasoning.
Unless you're Ryan Tannehill with at 2000 yard RB to sustain drives and keep that terrible defense off the field. Is that what you meant?
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Not just Henry. Tanny is playing well. AJ Brown is probably the best receiver in the division. Jonnu Smith should be a star in this league. Their OL is above average. Even Corey Davis finally had a good season.
With that being said, Henry makes that offense go. Defenses top priority when facing the Titans is stopping Derrick Henry. That makes everyone else's job easier.
Unless you're Ryan Tannehill with at 2000 yard RB to sustain drives and keep that terrible defense off the field. Is that what you meant?
I was going to say unless you're the Titans. It didn't seem that he knew the Titans defense is as bad as ours yet they won 11 games, hard as it is.
But... yeah, seemed fitting to phrase it the way I did.
UnlimitedTexan
Waterboy
I don't know how anyone comes out of this season thinking he's the problem when he had the most passing yards in the NFL, broke team records all while facing every kind of adversity a QB can go through.
Statistically he had a career year without Hop, with Fuller missing the last 6 games, throwing to some dudes name Steve Mitchell Jr and Chad Hansen, behind an o-line we've been saying is improving for 2 season now (I like Tunsil and Tytus a lot but the interior was a problem), losing his coach who tried to force his system on Deshaun, then making the best out of Tim Kelley who most likely won't be here next season...all while doing so in year with no off season.
I just don't see the excuse this season. If he had 20 TD and 20 INT and was causing us to lose games that's one thing. But the defense was terrible and somehow got worse by the end of the season. The defense made Mitch freaking Trubisky look like Dan Marino. NO ONE can work with that.
Doesn’t make sense.
It also doesn’t make sense to believe someone thinks he’s the problem.
But if you say, he causes some of those sacks himself or he could have extended that drive...
It’s like you’re saying he clubs baby seals in their sleep.
Yet they were barely a .500 team with the same talent and Mariota at QB.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
I don't give him any slack for acting like an immature punk kid. Apparently he doesn't like the choice for GM. However, you have to be a man and suck it up and tow the company line. Not say anything like this.
sports.yahoo.com
Texans QB Deshaun Watson tweets ‘some things never change’ after hiring Nick Caserio
Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson was perturbed about something on Twitter late Tuesday evening, and Houston sports fans are suspicious.
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Boy, if I had a nickel for every time I've been accused of that …. or something like that !!
According to some even when he clubs the baby seals in their sleep, he never sustains the clubbing and leaves them half dead. The guy is just the worst.
Priceless. Weren't you the one posting that he will get his way and McNair will hire a black GM and HC?I don't give him any slack for acting like an immature punk kid. Apparently he doesn't like the choice for GM. However, you have to be a man and suck it up and tow the company line. Not say anything like this.
Texans QB Deshaun Watson tweets ‘some things never change’ after hiring Nick Caserio
Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson was perturbed about something on Twitter late Tuesday evening, and Houston sports fans are suspicious.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I don't give him any slack for acting like an immature punk kid. Apparently he doesn't like the choice for GM. However, you have to be a man and suck it up and tow the company line. Not say anything like this.
Texans QB Deshaun Watson tweets ‘some things never change’ after hiring Nick Caserio
Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson was perturbed about something on Twitter late Tuesday evening, and Houston sports fans are suspicious.
And do think he cares what you think or how you feel.
Now he’s a punk. Mods this shouldn’t be allowed either.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
No, I said that someone was thinking Watson would get his way. And it looked like he is a little upset about the pick of Nick. And I think he needs to grow up. If you are going to say what a team (your team) needs. And then act like a 10yr old when you don't get what you want. You become 2 things
1- Selfish
2- A problem
He posted on Twitter "some things never change" if I was the owner I would fine him. But he will get no punishment at all. Which is Cal sending the wrong message to the team. What message? Nobody is above the law here, except Watson. It's wrong and disgusting to see a "leader" act like such a child. I will not be surprised if he doesn't renew his contact with him doing things like this. It is the second time he has behavior that is not a good sign for the team.
michaelm
vox nihili
Unless you're Ryan Tannehill with at 2000 yard RB to sustain drives and keep that terrible defense off the field. Is that what you meant?
Well now you've gone and done it. Opened the portal to the rabbit hole that Henry is only a 2,000 yard RB because he plays the Texans twice a year. Great lol
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Why? He acted like a child because he is not a fan of a choice by his boss. If you work for a company you know you keep it to yourself. If you say something about the boss you are in for a problem. And it's childish. This is not the first time he has overstepped. But some don't care what happens. I give him a pass for a few flaws on the field. But not for acting immature when he is supposed to be the LEADER of the team. It's sickening to be fair.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Henry is a monster with a very good OL. A few other RBs would be around 2k with his OL. Sadly for them he has it not them.
Did you notice that once you took the bait on that false narrative and started repeating it, the poster stopped mentioning it and allowed you to carry the narrative?
So, you are 100% sure that cryptic tweet was referring to hiring Caserio? You would think after your minority GM and HC postings, you would refrain from jumping to conclusions.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
He can’t help himself.
Boris
All Pro
I don't give him any slack for acting like an immature punk kid. Apparently he doesn't like the choice for GM. However, you have to be a man and suck it up and tow the company line. Not say anything like this.
Texans QB Deshaun Watson tweets ‘some things never change’ after hiring Nick Caserio
Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson was perturbed about something on Twitter late Tuesday evening, and Houston sports fans are suspicious.
there's a notion that the tweet was aimed at a justice ruling in Kenosha
if so, i'm understanding...if it's directed at the GM pick, i'd lean to your pov
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Seeing I wasn't the one who made the original post about it? I just said that the idea another person posted was looking valid and at the time it was. I said I don't care who or what HC we get as long as they win. However, I called Nick getting the GM spot awhile ago.
You are funny to me. I post a link for you too. About how much of an idiot Watson is being. Don't say it is not about the GM choice. Seeing he posted it literally about 5min after it was officially announced. He has said zero about Nick in a positive way either. Very curious to why he hasn't said welcome like others. Yet posted a tweet about things never changing.
You won't say that it is a valid point because it shows you are wrong. Meanwhile, I will say that Steel posted about the minority GM and HC stuff. And it looked like he was right until say 6hrs ago. So saying his idea was might end up being right was incorrect. That's my bad and I don't mind saying it.
Will you admit that it is slightly curious Watson has ONLY tweeted a cryptic thing that seems to be aimed at being unhappy with the GM pick. And nothing to indicate he likes the pick or even welcomed his new GM.
Whyever not?
Except it hasn't been officially announced
The difference is unlike you, I'm not 100% convinced that it was about Wisconsin or Caserio. I bet you cannot even mention the others who said welcome. Has Watt welcomed him? If you go to HoustonTexans.com, have the Texans' organization welcomed him? Here is the link below, let me know if you find the welcome mat.
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That was me, and from what I've heard the job is bienemy's if he wants it. I bet he takes the Jets/Falcons job before the Texans job though.
Why it's his opinion about a player. I think he's perfectly within the rules to state his opinion. I dont believe he used foul language. Why are you trying to shutdown others opinions.
For the record I dint know if DW4 was tallking about the Caserio hire or Wisconsin.
Yep, this is where I'm at.
It wasn't at all 5 mins after the hiring was anounced.
There are actually a bunch of things the tweet could be about.
I think it says more about those that insist on what it's about than anything..
People who crypticly tweet have issues.
Sh*t, I have no idea. Haven't known enough people doing so one way or the other to know..
People taking some persons tweet as 'cryptic' is issue worthy enough to me. Like who gives a f*ck..
For the record I haven't read 1 DW4 tweet other than whats been posted on here.
The comment he made about someone acting like they got power when they don’t was an interesting one.
ClemsonTexan
Waterboy
Where do you people get this idea that the top QBs all get rid of the ball in a hurry? The QBs who get rid of the ball the fastest are terrible. Brandon Allen gets rid of the ball in a hurry. Dwayne Haskins gets rid of the ball in a hurry. Tua Tagovailoa gets rid of the ball in a hurry. Mitch Trubisky gets rid of the ball in a hurry.
Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and Josh Allen all hold the ball longer than Watson. Allen holds the ball for 3.04 seconds on average before throwing it.
The reason this all sounds so stupid is that we're conceding that Watson would need to have a historically elite season (not just elite, but one of the best seasons in the history of the NFL) just to get to 6-7 wins. We're basically saying, "Yeah, he had a great season, but he could have thrown 43 TD passes, 4 INTs for a 122.3 passer rating." It's a lot like finding fault in Lebron James' NBA Finals performances. Maybe Lebron would be undefeated in the Finals if he played at the same level Jordan did in the 1991 Finals every single time. But that's such a ridiculous standard that there's no point in holding him to it. If 33/10/10 still results in a losing effort, you have to start looking at things other than Lebron. The same is true of Watson in his current situation.
ClemsonTexan
Waterboy
TT crowd: "Lebron lost this game. Had he not missed any FTs, and made all of his shots, he would have finished with 60+ points, not 51. Lebron knows he you have to put up more than 51 points on a team this bad. I am therefore not giving him a pass."
Easterby is here to stay. Like it or not.
Gotta move on from the players you're describing.
I think this could push JE out, which I’m all for
Are you suggesting moving on from Watson over his mistrust of JE?
I'm suggesting there needs to be a rebuild. If the Texans can get a Herscel Walker type trade and DW4 doesn't want to be here then they should make the trade.
Two 1's/Two 2's and and getting the trading team to take a contract like Mercilus would be a start.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Watson may believe what I believe and that is Jack Easterby is running the show. He is the reason Caserio is here and not somebody else. It makes no difference to me, but it might to Watson. Deshaun is much closer to the organization, obviously, than any of us and if he believes it's a **** show, who am I to say he's wrong. Since Easterby came along the Texans organization has made some very questionable decisions - from firing Gaine as GM, to naming O'Brien GM, to trading Hopkins for less than fair market value (according to historical data) to what we have now. A sham of a GM search ending in, by all appearances, the hiring of a friend of Easterby.
It all smells fishy. If it comes down between a war between Watson and Easterby, and the McNair's choose to keep Easterby and trade Watson, what are we then to think of this organization? Business as usual for an effectively run NFL franchise? Or a colossal failure by an organization being run into the ground by a TV evangelist and former insurance salesman?
For the record, I'm still good with Caserio as GM. I am just very suspicious of how he got here and I don't blame Watson at all for being upset, I mean if he even is upset. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
It all smells fishy. If it comes down between a war between Watson and Easterby, and the McNair's choose to keep Easterby and trade Watson, what are we then to think of this organization? Business as usual for an effectively run NFL franchise? Or a colossal failure by an organization being run into the ground by a TV evangelist and former insurance salesman?
For the record, I'm still good with Caserio as GM. I am just very suspicious of how he got here and I don't blame Watson at all for being upset, I mean if he even is upset. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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hmm. In this instance the simpler solution is to remove JE. He can’t possibly be worth all this issues that have come up since he’s been here.
It would take waaay more then you are suggesting for me to trade DW.
More like Allen Iverson in the playoffs.
I'm all for firing Easterby. However that's not going to happen.
What would be enough for DW4 IYO?
You know my thoughts on DW4.
michaelm
vox nihili
Caserio didn't just accept a position on a team that has a legitimate franchise QB just to trade him and put his little ball on the roulette wheel of chasing a starting QB.
It's just not rational