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Colvin has been released

TheKDog

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I can see where you get that but it’s less to do with it bothering me and more to do with having so much down time at work and so little to fill it. This site is one of the few not blocked so no it won’t bother me, I just respond because on most days it’s fun to argue with people on here. Last month or so it has become less so.
O'Briens turning the Texans into a national joke bothers me.
 

thunderkyss

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I can see where you get that but it’s less to do with it bothering me and more to do with having so much down time at work and so little to fill it. This site is one of the few not blocked so no it won’t bother me, I just respond because on most days it’s fun to argue with people on here. Last month or so it has become less so.
I was the same way. But it's like crack. You're chasing a high. Now you're at the point where the argument doesn't stimulate you anymore, but you can't stop.

You think his next argument is going to be new, intelligent, well thought out. But it's not. It's the same thing he said three pages back. Didn't even rearrange the words.

Maybe if you interject some logic, he'll up his game. You think you're making progress. But nah... same argument from three days ago.
 

TheKDog

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I was the same way. But it's like crack. You're chasing a high. Now you're at the point where the argument doesn't stimulate you anymore, but you can't stop.

You think his next argument is going to be new, intelligent, well thought out. But it's not. It's the same thing he said three pages back. Didn't even rearrange the words.

Maybe if you interject some logic, he'll up his game. You think you're making progress. But nah... same argument from three days ago.
O'Brien must be crack to Cletus.
 

maverick512000

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I was the same way. But it's like crack. You're chasing a high. Now you're at the point where the argument doesn't stimulate you anymore, but you can't stop.

You think his next argument is going to be new, intelligent, well thought out. But it's not. It's the same thing he said three pages back. Didn't even rearrange the words.

Maybe if you interject some logic, he'll up his game. You think you're making progress. But nah... same argument from three days ago.
You know what you’re right and that’s some very sound advice.....wow TK, becoming a mod has changed you. :kitten:
 

TheKDog

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They thought he sucked because of injury last yr.

They saw he sucked again this yr and instead of playing him anyways like previous regimes because of $$$$, they cut him.

Now if you want to talk Martin extension we can talk.
Then cut him in training camp. I don't understand waiting until a real game to figure out what to do. It should be done long before. and not a week before like the Kalil cut.
 

steelbtexan

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Then cut him in training camp. I don't understand waiting until a real game to figure out what to do. It should be done long before. and not a week before like the Kalil cut.
They were hoping he could justify his $$$$.

Came up snake eyes and cut him.

I like the new direction,
 

Corrosion

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Team has jack **** to do with it. People aren't leaving the Texans they are tired of Texans talk because this is the most negative fan base I have ever seen of any sport. You can blame that on Bill O'Brien if you want but other teams have bad HC and bad front offices and they don't put down their team in every post. Hell the Miami, Washington and Detroit fans are more hopeful about their teams than we are.

This fan base is negative for a reason.

Every time we get up for a big game …. it ends the same way.

When you've been thru that or 2-14 again for 18 years running , it begins to wear on you as a fan and you get pessimistic.

I think most of us expect this team to put up a decent record but that's not why the games are played.

Almost none of us expect them to beat the better teams and most certainly not in the playoffs when it matters most.

11-5 beat a wildcard team in the opening round then get trounced on the road by NE or KC. That's pretty much the expectation for the season …. and with good reason - 18 years of history and 6 years of the current coach making rookie mistakes like he did twice in the Aints game , the second one you could argue cost them the game.

1) That challenge fiasco in the first half that cost them two time outs - that was a brainfart on national TV if I ever saw one.

2) Why on earth did you kick the ball into the endzone and give it to them at the 25 with 37 seconds left on the clock and a time out in hand - up a single point.
Squib kick … on the ground , make them recover it and burn some clock and the resulting field position is generally neutral to a touchback.


OB earns all the criticism he gets around here …. Yeah , it kinda sucks that it gets discussed in every thread but that's the nature of a head coach , they get the blame.
 

BOBdaFRAUD

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I feel Romeo did not do Colvin no favors. I mean he was beaten on ever play. If Romeo pulled him out. It could have been chucked into a "Colvin has a bad day"

He played him and he got beat till the very last play. Now here is the result..........
 

TheKDog

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This fan base is negative for a reason.

Every time we get up for a big game …. it ends the same way.

When you've been thru that or 2-14 again for 18 years running , it begins to wear on you as a fan and you get pessimistic.

I think most of us expect this team to put up a decent record but that's not why the games are played.

Almost none of us expect them to beat the better teams and most certainly not in the playoffs when it matters most.

11-5 beat a wildcard team in the opening round then get trounced on the road by NE or KC. That's pretty much the expectation for the season …. and with good reason - 18 years of history and 6 years of the current coach making rookie mistakes like he did twice in the Aints game , the second one you could argue cost them the game.

1) That challenge fiasco in the first half that cost them two time outs - that was a brainfart on national TV if I ever saw one.

2) Why on earth did you kick the ball into the endzone and give it to them at the 25 with 37 seconds left on the clock and a time out in hand - up a single point.
Squib kick … on the ground , make them recover it and burn some clock and the resulting field position is generally neutral to a touchback.


OB earns all the criticism he gets around here …. Yeah , it kinda sucks that it gets discussed in every thread but that's the nature of a head coach , they get the blame.
There isn't enough talk about the kickoff
at the end. Does the head coach or special teams coach make that call?
 

Corrosion

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There isn't enough talk about the kickoff
at the end. Does the head coach or special teams coach make that call?



Yeah , I think I'm the only person who's mentioned that kickoff situation … I'd have made a thread on it but it would just feel like piling on the OB hate train.

Ultimately its on the head coach.

Situational awareness … that's what that was and I think OB has shown in the 5+ years he's been here that he's terrible in that regard.

Seems like common sense to me , I cant comprehend how so many times NFL head coaches make these mistakes while I'm screaming at the TV!
 

Marcus

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Not gonna go back thru the thread, but I have to applaud this move. Yeah, he signed a big contract, and they are stuck with dead money, but at least they are fessing up to a mistake, and acted accordingly.

What would be the alternative? Hanging onto him just because he was signed to a big money contract?

Sometimes you have to face facts and cut your losses.
 

austins23

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There isn't enough talk about the kickoff
at the end. Does the head coach or special teams coach make that call?
Yeah , I think I'm the only person who's mentioned that kickoff situation
My post from Tuesday morning posted below, in the Monday night game thread (post #1566). I was screamin bloody murder at the TV when they kicked it through the end zone.

Just a thought. You just scored a TD to go up on the Saints by 1, 28-27. But you've left Brees with 37 seconds. They have one timeout left. How about instead of kicking it out of the end zone for a touchback, you kick it to the 3-5 yard line and make them return it. This would burn at least 7 seconds or so off the clock. Even if it's returned back to the 30, now they've burned more time off the clock. If the returner fair catches it, well then they've got crappy field position and you make them have to go further.

Like I said, just a thought. Would have burned a few more seconds off the clock. And that could have been the difference between the FG try and a Hail Mary at the end of the game.
 

corry

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My post from Tuesday morning posted below, in the Monday night game thread (post #1566). I was screamin bloody murder at the TV when they kicked it through the end zone.

Just a thought. You just scored a TD to go up on the Saints by 1, 28-27. But you've left Brees with 37 seconds. They have one timeout left. How about instead of kicking it out of the end zone for a touchback, you kick it to the 3-5 yard line and make them return it. This would burn at least 7 seconds or so off the clock. Even if it's returned back to the 30, now they've burned more time off the clock. If the returner fair catches it, well then they've got crappy field position and you make them have to go further.

Like I said, just a thought. Would have burned a few more seconds off the clock. And that could have been the difference between the FG try and a Hail Mary at the end of the game.
It would have been a much better choice than booting it through the end zone. Either way, the Texans shouldn’t have allowed Brees to get them in field position.
 

mws

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I know this is a stupid question but can you fair catch a kickoff? I don't think I have ever seen one.


I've been researching and yes you can fair catch a kick off. It is still a free kick so if you let it go the kicking team can recover the ball.
 
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dream_team

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There isn't enough talk about the kickoff
at the end. Does the head coach or special teams coach make that call?
Yeah , I think I'm the only person who's mentioned that kickoff situation … I'd have made a thread on it but it would just feel like piling on the OB hate train.

Ultimately its on the head coach.

Situational awareness … that's what that was and I think OB has shown in the 5+ years he's been here that he's terrible in that regard.

Seems like common sense to me , I cant comprehend how so many times NFL head coaches make these mistakes while I'm screaming at the TV!
My post from Tuesday morning posted below, in the Monday night game thread (post #1566). I was screamin bloody murder at the TV when they kicked it through the end zone.

Just a thought. You just scored a TD to go up on the Saints by 1, 28-27. But you've left Brees with 37 seconds. They have one timeout left. How about instead of kicking it out of the end zone for a touchback, you kick it to the 3-5 yard line and make them return it. This would burn at least 7 seconds or so off the clock. Even if it's returned back to the 30, now they've burned more time off the clock. If the returner fair catches it, well then they've got crappy field position and you make them have to go further.

Like I said, just a thought. Would have burned a few more seconds off the clock. And that could have been the difference between the FG try and a Hail Mary at the end of the game.
Eh... this is hindsight talk. Saints have a good returner. If he returns it to the 40, and Saints win, then people will be arguing the exact opposite. "I can't believe we just didn't boot it to the end zone!?"

I mean if it was just that simple... kick it to the 3-5 yard line, worst case scenario they return it to the 30, don't you think every team would be doing that all the time? Why wait for an end of game scenario?
 

Speedy

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I know this is a stupid question but can you fair catch a kickoff? I don't think I have ever seen one.


I've been researching and yes you can fair catch a kick off. It is still a free kick so if you let it go the kicking team can recover the ball.
Not only can you fair catch a kickoff, but say you get hit with personal fouls and have to kickoff from the 15 or something. That kick can be fair caught, say maybe the 40 or something, and the receiving team can elect to do a free kick from that spot, doing it like a kickoff, and if it goes through the uprights it's 3 points.
 

Corrosion

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Eh... this is hindsight talk. Saints have a good returner. If he returns it to the 40, and Saints win, then people will be arguing the exact opposite. "I can't believe we just didn't boot it to the end zone!?"

I mean if it was just that simple... kick it to the 3-5 yard line, worst case scenario they return it to the 30, don't you think every team would be doing that all the time? Why wait for an end of game scenario?

No , this isn't hindsight talk. This is me screaming at the TV in the heat of the moment talk.
 

thunderkyss

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When you've been thru that or 2-14 again for 18 years running , it begins to wear on you as a fan and you get pessimistic.
I should have been a QB... or a CB. I've got a short memory. I don't remember none of that stuff. Every year is a new year.

I enjoy watching teams mature from September through December. Then we see the fruits of all that work in January & February.
 

xtruroyaltyx

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I should have been a QB... or a CB. I've got a short memory. I don't remember none of that stuff. Every year is a new year.

I enjoy watching teams mature from September through December. Then we see the fruits of all that work in January & February.
LoL @ February.


I hope so. I really dislike the way this team operates at times but what I hate worse is hearing random people talking about it.

I wish they’d do better just so I don’t have to hear joe schmoe from around the way talk about how shitty they are out in everyday life.

Just be good so we can talk about being better. That would be refreshing. Put some respect on your name Texans...please
 

powda

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LoL @ February.


I hope so. I really dislike the way this team operates at times but what I hate worse is hearing random people talking about it.

I wish they’d do better just so I don’t have to hear joe schmoe from around the way talk about how shitty they are out in everyday life.

Just be good so we can talk about being better. That would be refreshing. Put some respect on your name Texans...please

Wtf. You dont want to hear people criticize a team that's never won anything?

The internet might not be right for you.
 

xtruroyaltyx

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Wtf. You dont want to hear people criticize a team that's never won anything?

The internet might not be right for you.
What part of “out in everyday life” was hard to understand?

Serious question because I like to be as clear as possible.

The internet is not right for me btw. But that’s mostly because of people’s lack of slowing down to understand what you’re saying.
 

ROO

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I enjoy watching teams mature from September through December. Then we see the fruits of all that work in January & February.
But TK, with Houston football, them fruits is all too often rotten. :(

BUt honestly, I am definitely looking forward to watching the Texans this year.
 

OptimisticTexan

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Eh... this is hindsight talk. Saints have a good returner. If he returns it to the 40, and Saints win, then people will be arguing the exact opposite. "I can't believe we just didn't boot it to the end zone!?"

I mean if it was just that simple... kick it to the 3-5 yard line, worst case scenario they return it to the 30, don't you think every team would be doing that all the time? Why wait for an end of game scenario?
No......you put it on your ST unit and coach by letting them know in advance, there will be no TB so it'll be on you guys to shut the return down. By kicking that ball into the endzone, OB just told his ST unit, "I can't trust you".
 

JB

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No......you put it on your ST unit and coach by letting them know in advance, there will be no TB so it'll be on you guys to shut the return down. By kicking that ball into the endzone, OB just told his ST unit, "I can't trust you".
I expected either a pooch or squib kick there.Don't give them any chance for a return while still burning a few ticks off the clock
 

TheKDog

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Lonnie Johnson is next man up but may not exactly be ready...

Tweet from @riversmccown: One of the few parts of Romeo Crennel's presser that was actually revealing was him talking about second-rounder Lonnie Johnson.

Seemed to indicate they'd want to play less zone with him if possible. https://t.co/u3BT8ihHRH
 

powda

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I expected either a pooch or squib kick there.Don't give them any chance for a return while still burning a few ticks off the clock
Their return man is fast and may turnout to be very good. I'd still prefer a high hang time kick landing at the 5 yard line to burn the extra seconds.

Maybe that's just a hindsight opinion now? I dunno.
 

thunderkyss

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Their return man is fast and may turnout to be very good. I'd still prefer a high hang time kick landing at the 5 yard line to burn the extra seconds.

Maybe that's just a hindsight opinion now? I dunno.
That's what I expected to see when they changed the touchback to 25 yards. Kick it to the front of the endzone & let them bring it out. Any return short of 25 yards is good for the kicking team.
 
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mws

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Here is an excerpt from an article by John McClain.

"Last year, Colvin left Jacksonville, where he played well as the third cornerback between Jalen Ramsey and A.J. Bouye, for the Texans. They gave him a four-year, $34-million contract that included $18 million guaranteed and a base salary of $7.5 million this year, which he earned by being on the roster for the first game of regular season."

According to this if we had cut Colvin before the first game we would have saved 7.5 million. These are the kinds of things we need a competent GM to handle.
 

powda

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Here is an excerpt from an article by John McClain.

"Last year, Colvin left Jacksonville, where he played well as the third cornerback between Jalen Ramsey and A.J. Bouye, for the Texans. They gave him a four-year, $34-million contract that included $18 million guaranteed and a base salary of $7.5 million this year, which he earned by being on the roster for the first game of regular season."

According to this if we had cut Colvin before the first game we would have saved 7.5 million. These are the kinds of things we need a competent GM to handle.

If you rewatch the NO game you'll see he gave up multiple td's. He was BAD. He almost singlehandedly lost the game. (Also missing tackles on kamara.) I can understand them being patient due to his injuries and wanting a payoff on the investment, but he shouldn't have made the starting 53 this year.
 

TheKDog

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Here is an excerpt from an article by John McClain.

"Last year, Colvin left Jacksonville, where he played well as the third cornerback between Jalen Ramsey and A.J. Bouye, for the Texans. They gave him a four-year, $34-million contract that included $18 million guaranteed and a base salary of $7.5 million this year, which he earned by being on the roster for the first game of regular season."

According to this if we had cut Colvin before the first game we would have saved 7.5 million. These are the kinds of things we need a competent GM to handle.
Either

A) they didn't realize that and should have cut him before the season

Or

B) they did realize that but every other option at slot was worse than colvin.

I'm guessing it's option B. So our secondary will actually get worse playing Lonnie instead of colvin. Going from terrible to double terrible
 

powda

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Either

A) they didn't realize that and should have cut him before the season

Or

B) they did realize that but every other option at slot was worse than colvin.

I'm guessing it's option B. So our secondary will actually get worse playing Lonnie instead of colvin. Going from terrible to double terrible
We'll see what Lonnie's got soon enough. Might force reid or Gibson into a cb role?
 

mws

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For what it is worth the consensus of most of the radio talk shows is that the Texans will move Bradley Roby inside and have Lonnie Johnson start outside. Heard some talk about Keion Crossen playing a little inside.
 

TheKDog

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For what it is worth the consensus of most of the radio talk shows is that the Texans will move Bradley Roby inside and have Lonnie Johnson start outside. Heard some talk about Keion Crossen playing a little inside.
Whoa. That's interesting
 

powda

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For what it is worth the consensus of most of the radio talk shows is that the Texans will move Bradley Roby inside and have Lonnie Johnson start outside. Heard some talk about Keion Crossen playing a little inside.

Crossen has been very much under discussed in all the trade drama. Almost forgotten.
 

banned1976

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One of the things that makes TM so valuable is that he can drop down from his safety position and play the slot. Too bad he got greedy but that’s the life of a honey badger, I guess.

I have no idea where they’re going to get help in the secondary, or anywhere, really. They’ve already traded away their highest draft picks for the next two years.
 

TheKDog

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A little info on Crossen:

Keion Crossen, a 2018 7th-round pick out of Western Carolina.

Just based off of what I’ve seen so far, it’s best to categorize Crossen as a guy to not only help with depth but more of a reclamation project to get him better while working in this system.

He’s a corner that does have potential but I think he still has a long way to go in terms of being a regular contributor for this team.


Pro Football Focus gave him a 46.1 overall, 60.8 run, 37.7 tackle and 44.7 coverage grade for last season through 53 snaps. Obviously with the those numbers, he’s still got a lot of work to do in terms of improvement but it’s good to know he can be used, when appropriate in stopping the run when things get out of hand from the linebackers.

Out of the snaps he took, he had two missed tackles and quarterbacks had a 118.8 rating when throwing to him so that’s hardly something to write about as far as his ability.


Crossen’s 52.2 defensive grade ranks him 31st out 42 qualifying cornerbacks in his draft class.

His six tackles per miss average that he had in 2018 also needs to be shored up because you’d want to see that at a number higher.

He also has the ability to cover in the slot as well, 5.4 percent of his snaps came from slot coverage while just 4.7 came from traditional coverage.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/houseofhouston.com/2019/09/01/houston-texans-rumors-keion-crossen-trade-patriots-meaning-team/amp/
 

powda

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One of the things that makes TM so valuable is that he can drop down from his safety position and play the slot. Too bad he got greedy but that’s the life of a honey badger, I guess.

I have no idea where they’re going to get help in the secondary, or anywhere, really. They’ve already traded away their highest draft picks for the next two years.
They'll make up for any deficiencies in the secondary with a pass rush.

Errr. Maybe not.
 
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TheKDog

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One of the things that makes TM so valuable is that he can drop down from his safety position and play the slot. Too bad he got greedy but that’s the life of a honey badger, I guess.

I have no idea where they’re going to get help in the secondary, or anywhere, really. They’ve already traded away their highest draft picks for the next two years.
Roby, addae and Joseph are all free agents next year too.
 
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