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Agree with everything you said...........lets just hope he isn't required to stay in and block.
I'm still a believer in the Jordans as soon a Obrien realizes they are TEs and not linemen.
Or as soon as they get a couple of OT's that resemble more than speed bumps.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Has durability issues, but LT experience as the Panthers regular LT.
If they can get him onto the field, he will be decent.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I hope it’s the case that he’s brought in to provide competition for Kendall Lamm’s former roster spot as 4th OT.
Probably need CNND's (Doc) expert opinion on this one. Sounds like he's had several knee injuries. Could be a nice "stop-gap" until they get their LT, whether it be Davenport or a draft pick, up to snuff. Also could be looked at as a possible "Swing Tackle" that could step in and help in a pinch. But, everything will be predicated on how healthy he is.
I don’t know what to make of this signing. Kalil was a high draft pick with tremendous potential. Had a couple of good seasons with the Vikings mixed with inconsistent play.
He signs a huge contract with the Panthers, was inconsistent and frequently injured. I have no idea if the Texans gets the guy who had the potential to be the 4th overall pick in the 2012 draft or the guy who plays similar to the other inconsistent turnstiles they keep trotting out on the field.
He signs a huge contract with the Panthers, was inconsistent and frequently injured. I have no idea if the Texans gets the guy who had the potential to be the 4th overall pick in the 2012 draft or the guy who plays similar to the other inconsistent turnstiles they keep trotting out on the field.
From Jun 2018:
Hip surgery is no joke. That’s what Kalil underwent in September 2016 to fix an issue that began bothering him in high school. The pain sharpened his third season in Minnesota, and his only recourse two years later was to go under the knife.
“I’ve had knee scopes here and there, but I never had a major surgery like that,” Kalil said. “So I thought it was just, ‘OK, the problem's fixed, now I'll be good and it won't hurt.’”
And it didn’t anymore. But as surgery corrected one problem, it created others.
The longer muscles function a certain way, the longer it takes them to adjust to change. Kalil's bad hip had limited his bend for about 10 years. So when surgery fixed the hip – where so much of the body's anatomy is connected – the muscles around it needed time to learn a new range of motion.
“I was struggling in OTAs because I couldn't really move that well yet,” he said. “My groin was having issues because of the new mobility. Probably midway in camp is when I started feeling [better].”
For a guy whose athleticism made him a No. 4 overall pick, struggling to move was a significant problem. It didn’t help that it took him a bit to learn a new system.
“Obviously, you saw during the season the first few games I was kind of just iffy and a little behind,” Kalil admitted.
Added Rivera: “Early on he was stiff.”
According to Pro Football Focus, Kalil allowed 4.0 sacks in the first three weeks of his first season in Carolina. But while sacks aren't the only relevant measurement for a pass blocker – and rarely do we know whose assignment was whose on any given play – Kalil gave up just 3.5 sacks over his final 14 games, including the Wild Card visit to New Orleans.
https://www.panthers.com/news/matt-kalil-night-and-day-ahead-of-last-spring-20714874
That article was optimistic, but he then missed the entire 2018 due to knee soreness:
Kalil experienced knee soreness during training camp but played in the first two preseason games. A few days after the second game against the Dolphins, Kalil consulted with Dr. James Andrews in Florida and underwent an arthroscopic procedure.
https://www.panthers.com/news/matt-kalil-placed-on-injured-reserve
He basically hasn't been good since the hip surgery. He got a 50 grade in 2017.
Hip surgery is no joke. That’s what Kalil underwent in September 2016 to fix an issue that began bothering him in high school. The pain sharpened his third season in Minnesota, and his only recourse two years later was to go under the knife.
“I’ve had knee scopes here and there, but I never had a major surgery like that,” Kalil said. “So I thought it was just, ‘OK, the problem's fixed, now I'll be good and it won't hurt.’”
And it didn’t anymore. But as surgery corrected one problem, it created others.
The longer muscles function a certain way, the longer it takes them to adjust to change. Kalil's bad hip had limited his bend for about 10 years. So when surgery fixed the hip – where so much of the body's anatomy is connected – the muscles around it needed time to learn a new range of motion.
“I was struggling in OTAs because I couldn't really move that well yet,” he said. “My groin was having issues because of the new mobility. Probably midway in camp is when I started feeling [better].”
For a guy whose athleticism made him a No. 4 overall pick, struggling to move was a significant problem. It didn’t help that it took him a bit to learn a new system.
“Obviously, you saw during the season the first few games I was kind of just iffy and a little behind,” Kalil admitted.
Added Rivera: “Early on he was stiff.”
According to Pro Football Focus, Kalil allowed 4.0 sacks in the first three weeks of his first season in Carolina. But while sacks aren't the only relevant measurement for a pass blocker – and rarely do we know whose assignment was whose on any given play – Kalil gave up just 3.5 sacks over his final 14 games, including the Wild Card visit to New Orleans.
https://www.panthers.com/news/matt-kalil-night-and-day-ahead-of-last-spring-20714874
That article was optimistic, but he then missed the entire 2018 due to knee soreness:
Kalil experienced knee soreness during training camp but played in the first two preseason games. A few days after the second game against the Dolphins, Kalil consulted with Dr. James Andrews in Florida and underwent an arthroscopic procedure.
https://www.panthers.com/news/matt-kalil-placed-on-injured-reserve
He basically hasn't been good since the hip surgery. He got a 50 grade in 2017.
I surely hope Gaine see's it the same way... would be a first no? A Texans GM seeing what fans saw?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I've got a feeling that with the Texans signing Khalil and their desire to see Davenport develop.....LT isn't on the high priority list for the 2019 NFL Draft. I think Gaine and OB are counting on Khalil and Davenport holding down the position this year and reassessing LT at the end of the season. Also, a top LT in this draft would more than likely cost the Texans a pick or two to move into a position that would guarantee one of the few top LT's.
I see the Texans possibly targeting Risner and McCoy b/c both offer versatility to play multiple positions on the OL while being very good at positions of need. Both of these guys could be had within the teams first four picks without sacrificing any picks and possibly moving back and obtaining another pick in the move.
If the Texans could walk away from the first four picks with RT/RG/C- Risner, C/OG- McCoy, CB- Mullen and CB- Johnson.....how would you guys view this haul? Not to mention the possibility that they could gain another pick while still walking away with this group. The Texans could be in possession of four picks from RD4 thru RD7. This could give Gaine an awesome draft in my mind.
I see the Texans possibly targeting Risner and McCoy b/c both offer versatility to play multiple positions on the OL while being very good at positions of need. Both of these guys could be had within the teams first four picks without sacrificing any picks and possibly moving back and obtaining another pick in the move.
If the Texans could walk away from the first four picks with RT/RG/C- Risner, C/OG- McCoy, CB- Mullen and CB- Johnson.....how would you guys view this haul? Not to mention the possibility that they could gain another pick while still walking away with this group. The Texans could be in possession of four picks from RD4 thru RD7. This could give Gaine an awesome draft in my mind.
I think it's all about creating un-certanity
They rolled dice on Henderson and that worked out so well they signed him to another one year deal
Hopefully Davenport wont be at LT getting pushed all of the way across the pocket, breaking Henderson's ankle next yr.
Mangler
Toro de España
I still remember when everyone was so upset because Brian Gaine didn’t send a caravan of armored trucks to Solder’s house, lol. Boy am I glad he doesn’t take the advice of posters on here. I believe he has a plan, and if last year’s draft is any indication of things to come, this draft should be another home run.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Why not make a few million more to sit on the bench, get cut or go on IR
Texansballer74
The Marine
One of them happens to post about his displeasure in every single thread on this MB. lol
It makes it seem like more than it really is.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Was solder worse then Davenport? I could be mistaken but I think he had an injury early season and sucked. By late season he was performing as expected.
I might be that 2nd person.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Just read Doc's report over on his injury thread and it doesn't sound to good. For Kalil, this signing is probably a "Hail Mary" with not much of a chance he will be very good. For the Texans, it's probably just a "shot in the dark" that he will be anywhere near the player he used to be before all the injuries but, it's a cheap option where he might just show enough to stick maybe as a Swing Tackle. My guess is that Kalil will probably stay at least through Training Camp and depending on who the OT's are the Texans get in the Draft will probably determine how long he stays. For example, if the Texans pick Dillard with the 23rd pick Kalil might not be around to long. But, if they get someone like Tytus Howard in the 2nd or 3rd round that needs to be developed a little, then Kalil might be here a little longer. Either way he's got to be a long shot to make it out of camp. Hope he proves me wrong!
Here's a hint: bet much more on the Texans getting somebody like Tytus Howard and not an Andre Dillard but likely it'll be somebody in between.
I do think here's some chance Gaine will draft a D-lineman or L-backer with his top pick because as we know that's the strength of this Draft, and wait until the second
to take a OT & CB.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Michael Deiter OL has played at C, LG and LT and is said to be super smart.
You can bet Texans FO will want a meeting with him.
@riversmccown: Don’t start Matt Kalil in 2019, please https://t.co/1RcjHOFhNc https://t.co/q5XVVPm4Dd
markn
All Pro
I think the Kalil signing is designed to give the Texans flexibility in the draft. If they can't get their target OT at the right value, then he provides a (somewhere between sub-optimal and emergency) back-up plan. If they're fortunate enough to land their LT of the future, then Kalil has value as a swing tackle.
From what I've seen so far from Gaine, we're going to be targeting value over absolute ability, in each draft position. A needs based modifier to a BPA strategy, if you will.
From what I've seen so far from Gaine, we're going to be targeting value over absolute ability, in each draft position. A needs based modifier to a BPA strategy, if you will.
Once the Texans did not overpay for Trent Brown, there were NO viable, starting level OLT in free agency. We knew this in January, well before actual free agency. With this in mind, we (well I) knew that any free agent LT would be a highly flawed (old,injured, not good any more, never really good) dude. Not sure why there is a surprise when the obvious happened.
You gotta pay if a young healthy LT hits FA.
I was hoping with Cletus things were going to change.
Obviously they haven't.
except unlike you, not everyone thinks Brown was worth $$$$ the money
The offensive line could be completely be addressed and possibly fixed in this draft. It would take complete commitment by the organization .... very similar to what it took to acquire DW4. The only way this happens, is if Cal recognizes and takes it upon himself to vanquish the elephant in the room. Prior to doing so, it would be madness, not to gather our current linemen, especially Davenport and Rankin, and evaluate their - improvement - I would hope, from last year .... and adjust needs accordingly. It honestly can be done in one draft, but it requires focused determination
This is what I would do.
Trade up for Dillard or Williams
Draft OT/OG like Lindstrom with 54.
Trade up using future picks for Scharping if needed is what I would do.
Cut Davenprort/Kelemete etc..
You would have a good young talented OL that would rival the Colts OL.
Most likely Gaine is going to trade back.
You are most likely right. That's the tendency .... everyone loves more picks. It's like I said .... it's got to be a directive from the top. This draft has some very promising offensive linemen .... through the first round and a half or two. Cal has to direct O'Brien and Gaines to create an identity on offense. We don't have one .... that I can name. The main purpose of an offense is to score points. Chiefs and Rams seem to be be doing that quite well, and in a short turnaround period. DW4 would absolutely flourish on either of those teams. We can't be so resistant to change. We are being left behind .... 11 - 5 was a fluke. Like I said, we can be satisfied in struggling for mediocrity .... or we must be proactive !
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Normally I'm one of those people who hates the idea of trading away future picks but what good are future OL picks down the road if your QB is a gun-shy shell of his former self by the time they get there?
Fix it and fix it now while your QB is in a condition to take advantage of it.
Yep, without a healthy and confident well protected Watson this franchise is going nowhere fast.
Plus when you figure in an aging defense now is the time to make big moves. It looks like Gaine disagrees with us though.
How do you feel about the rumored Clowney extension?
Texans Expect Matt Kalil to Compete for a Starting Spot at Left Tackle
“We do believe that Julién is going to be even more improved this year, with two years under his belt, having the starting experience,” Gaine predicted.
“We added Matt Kalil here last week on a one-year deal,” Gaine confirmed. “We think he is going to compete to start at left tackle. Right now, that is the situation. Julién Davenport was our starter last year at left tackle.”
“He’s coming off injury. It’s an opportunity for him to prove that he is healthy and can still play at a high level,” Gaine continued on Kalil. “We are willing to give him that opportunity. Perhaps it gives and presents a long-term opportunity if it proves well for him.”
zshawn10
All Pro
Ron Rivera says his understanding was Matt Kalil was not going to be prepared healthwise until training camp.
— Joe Person (@josephperson) March 26, 2019
— Joe Person (@josephperson) March 26, 2019
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I would have already tried to trade him. I would absolutely not be trying to extend him*. I might be in discussions to extend him if I was trying to convince other teams that I valued him highly enough to do so but I'd never reach an agreement with his agent. Barring being able to trade him I'd let him walk and settle for the compensation pick. I think in 2 more years he's going to be earning frequent-flyer miles on the IR list until he finally hangs them up.
One condition under which I might be interested in extending him would be if the extension let me out at that two-year mark and I was otherwise going full-on apeshit to win now. Say I was trying to win a Super Bowl in 2020 or 2021 I might try to hang on to him there but man, watching Justin Houston sign with the Colts for less than we're paying Clowney was hard. That's a guy who comes cheaper, has done more, and is probably in his "win a ring before I run out of time" happy place. You put him next to Watt with Mercilus on the other side and you got something I think. Put Clowney on the other side of Watt with Mercilus doing nothing but setting the edge and you're piling up stats against bad teams and talking about "flashes" instead of getting stops and wins against better offenses.
Mangler
Toro de España
You mean, the rumor that was started by a bunch of people with absolutely ZERO inside info since Gaine’s arrival, and has proven to be nothing more than just that?
Luckily for us our medical staff has a history of getting players back early.