State of the O-line

[CloakNNNdagger]

Texans' revamped offensive line set for competitive OTAs

May 18, 2018

Second-year tackle Julién Davenport could be part of the first-team offensive line when the Texans reconvene for OTAs next week.
After general manager Brian Gaine was hired in January, he went to work on trying to improve the Texans' offensive line in free agency and the draft.

When rookie quarterback Deshaun Watson played, he covered up problems on the offensive line with his terrific mobility, instincts and pocket awareness. After he suffered the season-ending knee injury seven games into the season, the line was exposed.

On Monday, the Texans begin the last phase of their offseason program with the first of 10 OTAs that are spread over three weeks. The program concludes with the mandatory, three-day minicamp June 12-14.

Coach Bill O'Brien and offensive line coach Mike Devlin like versatility up front. They've got a lot of linemen who can play more than one position. The importance of the offseason program, training camp and preseason is to find the five best and make sure they're in their best positions.
As the Texans approach OTAs, they have 14 offensive linemen on the roster. Barring injury, they're expected to have four new starters when they begin regular season at New England.

Center Nick Martin is the only returning starter projected to be in the lineup.

Based on what's happened in the offseason program – and this could change -- the five expected to be with the first team are Martin, tackles Julién Davenport and Seantrel Henderson and guards Zach Fulton and Senio Kelemete.

Henderson, Fulton and Kelemete were signed as free agents in March.

There should be quality competition with tackles Martinas Rankin and Kendall Lamm, center Greg Mancz and guards David Quessenberry, Kyle Fuller and Chad Slade.

Three undrafted free agents – tackles Jaryd Jones-Smith and Kendall Calhoun and guard Anthony Coyle – also figure into the competition.

As for the versatility O'Brien and Devlin want, Davenport can play either side. Martin and Mancz can play center and guard. Fuller can play guard or center. Fulton can play guard or center. Kelemete can play three positions.

THE REST OF THE STORY

 

[DocBar]

Texans' revamped offensive line set for competitive OTAs

May 18, 2018

Second-year tackle Julién Davenport could be part of the first-team offensive line when the Texans reconvene for OTAs next week.
After general manager Brian Gaine was hired in January, he went to work on trying to improve the Texans' offensive line in free agency and the draft.

When rookie quarterback Deshaun Watson played, he covered up problems on the offensive line with his terrific mobility, instincts and pocket awareness. After he suffered the season-ending knee injury seven games into the season, the line was exposed.

On Monday, the Texans begin the last phase of their offseason program with the first of 10 OTAs that are spread over three weeks. The program concludes with the mandatory, three-day minicamp June 12-14.

Coach Bill O'Brien and offensive line coach Mike Devlin like versatility up front. They've got a lot of linemen who can play more than one position. The importance of the offseason program, training camp and preseason is to find the five best and make sure they're in their best positions.
As the Texans approach OTAs, they have 14 offensive linemen on the roster. Barring injury, they're expected to have four new starters when they begin regular season at New England.

Center Nick Martin is the only returning starter projected to be in the lineup.

Based on what's happened in the offseason program – and this could change -- the five expected to be with the first team are Martin, tackles Julién Davenport and Seantrel Henderson and guards Zach Fulton and Senio Kelemete.

Henderson, Fulton and Kelemete were signed as free agents in March.

There should be quality competition with tackles Martinas Rankin and Kendall Lamm, center Greg Mancz and guards David Quessenberry, Kyle Fuller and Chad Slade.

Three undrafted free agents – tackles Jaryd Jones-Smith and Kendall Calhoun and guard Anthony Coyle – also figure into the competition.

As for the versatility O'Brien and Devlin want, Davenport can play either side. Martin and Mancz can play center and guard. Fuller can play guard or center. Fulton can play guard or center. Kelemete can play three positions.

THE REST OF THE STORY

Jacks of all trades, masters of none. You really want masters at the two OT spots, at least the LT.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Texans' revamped offensive line set for competitive OTAs

May 18, 2018

Second-year tackle Julién Davenport could be part of the first-team offensive line when the Texans reconvene for OTAs next week.
After general manager Brian Gaine was hired in January, he went to work on trying to improve the Texans' offensive line in free agency and the draft.

When rookie quarterback Deshaun Watson played, he covered up problems on the offensive line with his terrific mobility, instincts and pocket awareness. After he suffered the season-ending knee injury seven games into the season, the line was exposed.

On Monday, the Texans begin the last phase of their offseason program with the first of 10 OTAs that are spread over three weeks. The program concludes with the mandatory, three-day minicamp June 12-14.

Coach Bill O'Brien and offensive line coach Mike Devlin like versatility up front. They've got a lot of linemen who can play more than one position. The importance of the offseason program, training camp and preseason is to find the five best and make sure they're in their best positions.
As the Texans approach OTAs, they have 14 offensive linemen on the roster. Barring injury, they're expected to have four new starters when they begin regular season at New England.

Center Nick Martin is the only returning starter projected to be in the lineup.

Based on what's happened in the offseason program – and this could change -- the five expected to be with the first team are Martin, tackles Julién Davenport and Seantrel Henderson and guards Zach Fulton and Senio Kelemete.

Henderson, Fulton and Kelemete were signed as free agents in March.

There should be quality competition with tackles Martinas Rankin and Kendall Lamm, center Greg Mancz and guards David Quessenberry, Kyle Fuller and Chad Slade.

Three undrafted free agents – tackles Jaryd Jones-Smith and Kendall Calhoun and guard Anthony Coyle – also figure into the competition.

As for the versatility O'Brien and Devlin want, Davenport can play either side. Martin and Mancz can play center and guard. Fuller can play guard or center. Fulton can play guard or center. Kelemete can play three positions.

THE REST OF THE STORY

Sounds like a bunch of Jack of all trades, but masters of none.

 

[Insideop]

Texans' revamped offensive line set for competitive OTAs

May 18, 2018

Second-year tackle Julién Davenport could be part of the first-team offensive line when the Texans reconvene for OTAs next week.
After general manager Brian Gaine was hired in January, he went to work on trying to improve the Texans' offensive line in free agency and the draft.

When rookie quarterback Deshaun Watson played, he covered up problems on the offensive line with his terrific mobility, instincts and pocket awareness. After he suffered the season-ending knee injury seven games into the season, the line was exposed.

On Monday, the Texans begin the last phase of their offseason program with the first of 10 OTAs that are spread over three weeks. The program concludes with the mandatory, three-day minicamp June 12-14.

Coach Bill O'Brien and offensive line coach Mike Devlin like versatility up front. They've got a lot of linemen who can play more than one position. The importance of the offseason program, training camp and preseason is to find the five best and make sure they're in their best positions.
As the Texans approach OTAs, they have 14 offensive linemen on the roster. Barring injury, they're expected to have four new starters when they begin regular season at New England.

Center Nick Martin is the only returning starter projected to be in the lineup.

Based on what's happened in the offseason program – and this could change -- the five expected to be with the first team are Martin, tackles Julién Davenport and Seantrel Henderson and guards Zach Fulton and Senio Kelemete.

Henderson, Fulton and Kelemete were signed as free agents in March.

There should be quality competition with tackles Martinas Rankin and Kendall Lamm, center Greg Mancz and guards David Quessenberry, Kyle Fuller and Chad Slade.

Three undrafted free agents – tackles Jaryd Jones-Smith and Kendall Calhoun and guard Anthony Coyle – also figure into the competition.

As for the versatility O'Brien and Devlin want, Davenport can play either side. Martin and Mancz can play center and guard. Fuller can play guard or center. Fulton can play guard or center. Kelemete can play three positions.

THE REST OF THE STORY

I think who the 5 O-linemen will be and what position they will play is probably the biggest question to be answered this off season for this team. I'm pulling hard for Davenport to be the LT and to do well this season. It would sure solve a major problem for this team if he can step up and play at a high level. I don't expect him to be perfect and he will probably have some bad plays and even some bad games, but I'm hoping that with that will come steady improvement play after play and game after game.

With 14 O-linemen on the roster going in to OTA's and TC I hope they save plenty of room on the Practice Squad for some of the better ones that don't make the team coming out of camp. After last season, with all the injuries and turmoil on the O-line, they will probably need to keep at least 3 on the PS just in case. I think DQ still has some PS eligibility left. Not sure about Slade or Lamm but I don't think they have any left.

My guess as to who makes it will probably not change, baring injury, until sometime during TC maybe after the 2nd preseason game. It'll look something like this:

RT--- Henderson, Rankin (Swing) If Rankin is better than Henderson then Rankin starts and Henderson is the Swing.
RG--- Kelemete, Fuller
OC--- Martin, Mancz
LG--- Fulton, (Slade, Lamm, or DQ if they keep 9 O-linemen)
LT--- Davenport, Rankin (Swing)

PS--- Best 2 or 3 from DQ, Jones-Smith, Calhoun, and Coyle

It's not great but I think it will be better than last season's O-line. A lot will hinge on Davenport's and Rankin's development and how well Henderson plays with his health issues (Crohn's) or if he gets busted again! It's probably going to take several games for the line to gel. I just hope Watson doesn't get killed in the meantime!

 

[Max]

Texans' revamped offensive line set for competitive OTAs

May 18, 2018

Second-year tackle Julién Davenport could be part of the first-team offensive line when the Texans reconvene for OTAs next week.
After general manager Brian Gaine was hired in January, he went to work on trying to improve the Texans' offensive line in free agency and the draft.

When rookie quarterback Deshaun Watson played, he covered up problems on the offensive line with his terrific mobility, instincts and pocket awareness. After he suffered the season-ending knee injury seven games into the season, the line was exposed.

On Monday, the Texans begin the last phase of their offseason program with the first of 10 OTAs that are spread over three weeks. The program concludes with the mandatory, three-day minicamp June 12-14.

Coach Bill O'Brien and offensive line coach Mike Devlin like versatility up front. They've got a lot of linemen who can play more than one position. The importance of the offseason program, training camp and preseason is to find the five best and make sure they're in their best positions.
As the Texans approach OTAs, they have 14 offensive linemen on the roster. Barring injury, they're expected to have four new starters when they begin regular season at New England.

Center Nick Martin is the only returning starter projected to be in the lineup.

Based on what's happened in the offseason program – and this could change -- the five expected to be with the first team are Martin, tackles Julién Davenport and Seantrel Henderson and guards Zach Fulton and Senio Kelemete.

Henderson, Fulton and Kelemete were signed as free agents in March.

There should be quality competition with tackles Martinas Rankin and Kendall Lamm, center Greg Mancz and guards David Quessenberry, Kyle Fuller and Chad Slade.

Three undrafted free agents – tackles Jaryd Jones-Smith and Kendall Calhoun and guard Anthony Coyle – also figure into the competition.

As for the versatility O'Brien and Devlin want, Davenport can play either side. Martin and Mancz can play center and guard. Fuller can play guard or center. Fulton can play guard or center. Kelemete can play three positions.

THE REST OF THE STORY

I'm not sure why, but jack of all trades, master of none comes to mind when I read this.

 

[JB]

Jacks of all trades, masters of none. You really want masters at the two OT spots, at least the LT.

Sounds like a bunch of Jack of all trades, but masters of none.

I'm not sure why, but jack of all trades, master of none comes to mind when I read this.

Seems to be a consensus

I really think it's a decent plan... if only you have quality players. Looking at it long term

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

"Jacks of all trades, masters of none" can make some sense in light of the situation of limited/poor options in FA and availability to us in our starting position in the Draft. Before the season begins or certainly early in the season, the best player for the select positions will tend to sort themselves out.

 

[badboy]

Texans' revamped offensive line set for competitive OTAs

May 18, 2018

Second-year tackle Julién Davenport could be part of the first-team offensive line when the Texans reconvene for OTAs next week.
After general manager Brian Gaine was hired in January, he went to work on trying to improve the Texans' offensive line in free agency and the draft.

When rookie quarterback Deshaun Watson played, he covered up problems on the offensive line with his terrific mobility, instincts and pocket awareness. After he suffered the season-ending knee injury seven games into the season, the line was exposed.

On Monday, the Texans begin the last phase of their offseason program with the first of 10 OTAs that are spread over three weeks. The program concludes with the mandatory, three-day minicamp June 12-14.

Coach Bill O'Brien and offensive line coach Mike Devlin like versatility up front. They've got a lot of linemen who can play more than one position. The importance of the offseason program, training camp and preseason is to find the five best and make sure they're in their best positions.
As the Texans approach OTAs, they have 14 offensive linemen on the roster. Barring injury, they're expected to have four new starters when they begin regular season at New England.

Center Nick Martin is the only returning starter projected to be in the lineup.

Based on what's happened in the offseason program – and this could change -- the five expected to be with the first team are Martin, tackles Julién Davenport and Seantrel Henderson and guards Zach Fulton and Senio Kelemete.

Henderson, Fulton and Kelemete were signed as free agents in March.

There should be quality competition with tackles Martinas Rankin and Kendall Lamm, center Greg Mancz and guards David Quessenberry, Kyle Fuller and Chad Slade.

Three undrafted free agents – tackles Jaryd Jones-Smith and Kendall Calhoun and guard Anthony Coyle – also figure into the competition.

As for the versatility O'Brien and Devlin want, Davenport can play either side. Martin and Mancz can play center and guard. Fuller can play guard or center. Fulton can play guard or center. Kelemete can play three positions.

THE REST OF THE STORY

Thanks for posting Doc. I hope McClain is correct but why does he expect Lamm to be anything after being a Zero? Quessenberry also showed little and I honored him for his battle against cancer but probably will have a stamina issue. Manz was almost worthless as a guard and seemed to me to be a center only. I am huge Davenport fan but he showed promise at LT only so why would anyone assume he can play RT?

Jack of all trades is simply to cover the holes for the possibility of injuries. I get it but we all know the long term plan is to continue next off season to improve the offensive line.

 

[Earl34]

Thanks for posting Doc. I hope McClain is correct but why does he expect Lamm to be anything after being a Zero? Quessenberry also showed little and I honored him for his battle against cancer but probably will have a stamina issue. Manz was almost worthless as a guard and seemed to me to be a center only. I am huge Davenport fan but he showed promise at LT only so why would anyone assume he can play RT?

Jack of all trades is simply to cover the holes for the possibility of injuries. I get it but we all know the long term plan is to continue next off season to improve the offensive line.

This jack of all trades approach is getting worrisome. If true, it seems like another case of O'Brien outsmarting himself. It's one thing for fans to think you can simply take a CB and move to S or move a RG to LG without any issues. It's another when this seems to be an organizational approach to protecting our young franchise QB. Every time the Texans try to mimic the Patriots they always forget neither Tom Brady or Belichick are anywhere near Kirby.

It appears they didn't learn anything from signing Allen based on his play as a LG only to play him at RG.

 

[dwight pugoy]

Very interesting mishmash of talent here. Many up and coming talent here at he Oline. If 2 of them takes the next step then Gaine has done his job and will be set up for years.

 

[badboy]

This jack of all trades approach is getting worrisome. If true, it seems like another case of O'Brien outsmarting himself. It's one thing for fans to think you can simply take a CB and move to S or move a RG to LG without any issues. It's another when this seems to be an organizational approach to protecting our young franchise QB. Every time the Texans try to mimic the Patriots they always forget neither Tom Brady or Belichick are anywhere near Kirby.

It appears they didn't learn anything from signing Allen based on his play as a LG only to play him at RG.

O'Brien did well with what was available. We cannot expect Corvettes when only Corvairs are available. He got what he thinks are best and will continue to improve. He played KJackson some at safety last season successfully and most including me were thrilled to see Decoud moved to safety. He might not work out but that is smart coaching IMO. I agree on Allen playing RG; still don't understand that.

 

[Scooter]

This jack of all trades approach is getting worrisome. If true, it seems like another case of O'Brien outsmarting himself. It's one thing for fans to think you can simply take a CB and move to S or move a RG to LG without any issues. It's another when this seems to be an organizational approach to protecting our young franchise QB. Every time the Texans try to mimic the Patriots they always forget neither Tom Brady or Belichick are anywhere near Kirby.

It appears they didn't learn anything from signing Allen based on his play as a LG only to play him at RG.

Versatility is a great thing in the NFL, but it trends towards backups and specialty players. Your left tackle needs to be a left tackle, your safety needs to be a safety. There are exceptions, but our approach is not the norm for a reason. This seemed to be addressed on the defensive side with the right players (thankfully nothing silly like moving Kareem to safety), but consistent with O'Brien is busted on offense. We signed a whole new set of 'versatility' linemen in hopes that they'll find a position before the season starts - anyone have a pic of the old ladies saying 'that's not how it works!'? It makes my head hurt seeing Belichick disciples try to create, and the coaching void (position and coordinator) that follows them - there's a level of undeserved ego that is unlike anything else in the NFL.

 

[Texansballer74]

Versatility is a great thing in the NFL, but it trends towards backups and specialty players. Your left tackle needs to be a left tackle, your safety needs to be a safety. There are exceptions, but our approach is not the norm for a reason. This seemed to be addressed on the defensive side with the right players (thankfully nothing silly like moving Kareem to safety), but consistent with O'Brien is busted on offense. We signed a whole new set of 'versatility' linemen in hopes that they'll find a position before the season starts - anyone have a pic of the old ladies saying 'that's not how it works!'? It makes my head hurt seeing Belichick disciples try to create, and the coaching void (position and coordinator) that follows them - there's a level of undeserved ego that is unlike anything else in the NFL.

And Obrien ego is huge. He is determined to prove his point/philosophy. We shall see if it's going to work during this time around. But with a healthy Watson and if he continues to get better. Obrien philosophy might just work.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

And Obrien ego is huge. He is determined to prove his point/philosophy. We shall see if it's going to work during this time around. But with a healthy Watson and if he continues to get better. Obrien philosophy might just work.

The best chance O'Brien, Devlin, and the cast of characters on the OL have of turning this thing around is if the team has made a full commitment to the ZBS during the off-season. I think the talent is better suited fort he ZBS but can Devlin coach this system?

 

[Insideop]

Thanks for posting Doc. I hope McClain is correct but why does he expect Lamm to be anything after being a Zero? Quessenberry also showed little and I honored him for his battle against cancer but probably will have a stamina issue. Manz was almost worthless as a guard and seemed to me to be a center only. I am huge Davenport fan but he showed promise at LT only so why would anyone assume he can play RT?

Jack of all trades is simply to cover the holes for the possibility of injuries. I get it but we all know the long term plan is to continue next off season to improve the offensive line.

Is that Gaine and BOB's plan? Or, is it just the plan of some of the board members here? I can only hope it is their plan too!

 

[steelbtexan]

Versatility is a great thing in the NFL, but it trends towards backups and specialty players. Your left tackle needs to be a left tackle, your safety needs to be a safety. There are exceptions, but our approach is not the norm for a reason. This seemed to be addressed on the defensive side with the right players (thankfully nothing silly like moving Kareem to safety), but consistent with O'Brien is busted on offense. We signed a whole new set of 'versatility' linemen in hopes that they'll find a position before the season starts - anyone have a pic of the old ladies saying 'that's not how it works!'? It makes my head hurt seeing Belichick disciples try to create, and the coaching void (position and coordinator) that follows them - there's a level of undeserved ego that is unlike anything else in the NFL.

Are they versatile OL

Or are they backup OL that will be starting next yr?

 

[TheKDog]

Are they versatile OL

Or are they backup OL that will be starting next yr?

Both!

Very versatile backups.

 

[Scooter]

Are they versatile OL

Or are they backup OL that will be starting next yr?

Yes. We seemed to have grabbed a slew of '6th man' linemen with the hopes that our coaching will find their true potential - and their rightful positions.

 

[infantrycak]

Yes. We seemed to have grabbed a slew of '6th man' linemen with the hopes that our coaching will find their true potential - and their rightful positions.

And it happens all the time in the NFL. Chris Myers was a Denver backup who became a Houston pro bowler.

 

[Number19]

Did a search and didn't find any real discussion on Jaryd Jones-Smith, particularly any comment on his health from CnnnD. He had a devastating knee injury in 2015 and came back to play in 8 games in 2016 and started 9 games in 2017.

He appears to be a "prototypical" RT, with 36" arms and 10" hands; but lacks strength. Only had 16 reps.

I'm not a fan of Lamm and would like to see J-S win his spot on the team, rather than PS. Comments?

 

[Scooter]

And it happens all the time in the NFL. Chris Myers was a Denver backup who became a Houston pro bowler.

Who coached Chris Myers? Comparing our current situation to that of others is hardly equal. This staff (and it's turnover of bad coaches) hasn't done one thing right on the offensive line in 5 years.

 

[infantrycak]

Who coached Chris Myers? Comparing our current situation to that of others is hardly equal. This staff (and it's excessive turnover) hasn't done one thing right on the offensive line in 5 years.

I tend to agree there and wanted Devlin gone. Just saying there is no once a backup, always a backup rule.

 

[steelbtexan]

And it happens all the time in the NFL. Chris Myers was a Denver backup who became a Houston pro bowler.

Exceptoin to the rule.

And due to the great system HOF'er Alex Gibbs set up.

I'm pretty sure Devlin isn't in Gibbs class, so lowered expectations should be the common theme.

 

[Scooter]

I tend to agree there and wanted Devlin gone. Just saying there is no once a backup, always a backup rule.

Absolutely, and as I said I hope we're lucky enough to filter gold from this group. With Devlin and O'Brien's history that seems exceedingly unlikely because they've taken starters and turned them into complete failure. Except for those who were too good, they all got the ax. Just because I'm a fan doesn't mean I'm going to bet against the trend.

 

[infantrycak]

Exceptoin to the rule.

Sure it is. That Minnesota OL you loved last year has 2 guys who were long term backups.

 

[steelbtexan]

Sure it is. That Minnesota OL you loved last year has 2 guys who were long term backups.

Who were those guys?

Reiff/Long time starter.

Remmers Long time starter

Berger was starting Center the yr before.

Easton- True

Eflien- Draft Pick.

Tell me what % of backups do you think become pro bowl players like Myers? I would bet that the % would be very low.

You obviously disagree and we both know your mind isn't going to be changed.

 

[infantrycak]

Remmers was a backup until going to his 4th team.

 

[Texansballer74]

http://m.houstontexans.com/s/30862/embeddedNewsPath?itemUri=2084919789/1415368842144966141521012913

2018-05-18 9:28 AM | Deepi Sidhu


Davenport not holding back for LT spot

The Texans offensive line is undergoing a major facelift this offseason with at least four new starters.
Julién Davenport, now entering his second season, hopes to secure the left tackle position.

"The starts last season were definitely great to get the experience and get the opportunity to go out there and play against guys who have been playing in the league for years so I took that and ran with it," Davenport said on Texans Radio. "And now I'm trying to take this spot, left tackle, and run with it and never look back. So I'm looking to go into training camp and not hold back on anything and go 100 percent every day, every play and take this spot and basically solidify it."


Davenport saw action in 11 games with four starts during his rookie season. He had three starts at left tackle, including the final two games of the 2017 season. In his start against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Christmas Day, Davenport helped pave the way for a season-high 176 rushing yards with his performance.

"That was actually my favorite football team growing up so it was a good game for me and to be able to start against them on Christmas," Davenport said. "Everybody was - I would say - a little more hyped for me than I was but I was just hyped to have the opportunity to play and start in the game and it was amazing. I thought I played a good game and went out there and fought hard."

The Texans will begin organized team activities (OTAs) at the Houston Methodist Training Center next week.

 

[steelbtexan]

Remmers was a backup until going to his 4th team.

He was the starting RT for the panthers SB team and then the Vikings smartly signed him as a FA when they spent the $$$$ to revamp their OL last offseason using both the draft Eflien and FA Reiff/Remmers. Moved Berger to OG.

 

[infantrycak]

He was the starting RT for the panthers SB team and then the Vikings smartly signed him as a FA when they spent the $$$$ to revamp their OL last offseason using both the draft Eflien and FA Reiff/Remmers. Moved Berger to OG.

Which changes nothing about his path to starter which was the issue. He was worse than a backup. He couldn't even get retained to hold that job. Bumped around to PSs and rosters. He was even in Minnesota for a while in 2013 and waived.

 

[steelbtexan]

Which changes nothing about his path to starter which was the issue. He was worse than a backup. He couldn't even get retained to hold that job. Bumped around to PSs and rosters. He was even in Minnesota for a while in 2013 and waived.

Which doesn't change the fact that he was a starting OT when he was signed by the Vikings in FA.

Bottom line is the Texans chose to hang on to their cap space instead of fixing the OL in FA. Good news is that decision cost Ricky his job.

 

[TheRealJoker]

Which doesn't change the fact that he was a starting OT when he was signed by the Vikings in FA.

Bottom line is the Texans chose to hang on to their cap space instead of fixing the OL in FA. Good news is that decision cost Ricky his job.

And Fulton/Kelemete started the majority of the season on two of the better OLs in the league last season....

Can’t wait for OTAs, minicamp training camp, preseason... anything to stop having the same silly conversations on this message board until we get something new to talk about.

Maybe until then we can all switch sides on the topics that have been hit on over and over?!

 

[steelbtexan]

And Fulton/Kelemete started the majority of the season on two of the better OLs in the league last season....

Can’t wait for OTAs, minicamp training camp, preseason... anything to stop having the same silly conversations on this message board until we get something new to talk about.

Maybe until then we can all switch sides on the topics that have been hit on over and over?!

Agreed

I got sucked into a fruitless conversation with Cak.

Par for the course.

 

[DeshaunTexan]

Maybe we can make a thread for the 2018 line. My biggest area of concern by far with this team. I just am not seeing the talent there in terms of the rest of the league with what we come to the table with.

 

[PHILLYTEXANFAN]

Maybe we can make a thread for the 2018 line. My biggest area of concern by far with this team. I just am not seeing the talent there in terms of the rest of the league with what we come to the table with.

My biggest concern is DL/OLB depth

 

[badboy]

Is that Gaine and BOB's plan? Or, is it just the plan of some of the board members here? I can only hope it is their plan too!

Understand your point and would think all coaches want to improve areas of weakness. I'm hoping [as I'm sure you are] that this Oline turns into a strength. As I posted elsewhere (somewhere) RG is my concern but perhaps Kelemente or Slade will be better than I think. Some here have really liked Kele.

 

[justmy2cents]

My biggest concern is DL/OLB depth

Is it not more important to be concerned about starters everywhere, than depth anywhere ?

 

[badboy]

Maybe we can make a thread for the 2018 line. My biggest area of concern by far with this team. I just am not seeing the talent there in terms of the rest of the league with what we come to the table with.

Try not to compare one position or group like a line with other teams but offense vs offense maybe that will help?

 

[PHILLYTEXANFAN]

Is it not more important to be concerned about starters everywhere, than depth anywhere ?

The OL made due imo last year. Zero pass rush after JJ and Whit went down was horrid

 

[justmy2cents]

The OL made due imo last year. Zero pass rush after JJ and Whit went down was horrid

That's a valid point, but our DLine and LBs are full of talent. We're just waiting for them to return from injury. I'm still waiting to say that about the OLine - this will be the 7th year !

 

[TheKDog]

RB and TE next major concerns for me.

Got nothing at RB and non-blocking projects at TE.

 

[TripleTap]

Incognito? Hate the guy but . . .

 

[powda]

Incognito? Hate the guy but . . .

Lol

Bring in incognito with kapernick. What a show.

 

[Trail.Blazr]

Lol

Bring in incognito with kapernick. What a show.

Add in Dez and Tebow, the show will really be entertaining...

Wow, Incognito would be disastrous for the locker room.

 

[steelbtexan]

Add in Dez and Tebow, the show will really be entertaining...

Wow, Incognito would be disastrous for the locker room.

Really?

I dont believe Incognito has been disastrous for the Bills locker room.

In fact they have been very happy with him and would've loved to bring him back.

Dont believe all that the media feeds you. The media still has it out for him because he said mean things to a guy who didn't love his profession (Martin) like Incognito does.

I want guys that love football on the team and Incognito loves football.

I kinda like an OL of Davenport or Rankins/Incognito/Martin/Fulton/Henderson or Kelemete. There would actually be some quality depth on the OL and Gaine certainly has the cap space to sign him.

 

[IDEXAN]

I kinda like an OIL of Davenport or Rankins/Incognito/Martin/Fulton/Henderson or Kelemete. There would actually be some quality depth on the OL and Gaine certainly has the cap space to sign him.

If you like that group then I like them too StealB because for my money you are the offensive line whisperer in these parts.

 

[steelbtexan]

If you like that group then I like them too StealB because for my money you are the offensive line whisperer in these parts.

They would be a serviceable group that should be good in the run game. Fulton/Martin/Incognito would be nasty, something this OL has lacked since Gibbs left town. Give Davenport/Rankins this yr to prove themselves and if they aren't up to the job, draft a LT next yr. The OT from Washington (Adams) looks like a future stud LT.

I haven't started looking at next yrs draft class, but I'm sure there are more good OL out there.

 

[justmy2cents]

They would be a serviceable group that should be good in the run game. Fulton/Martin/Incognito would be nasty, something this OL has lacked since Gibbs left town. Give Davenport/Rankins this yr to prove themselves and if they aren't up to the job, draft a LT next yr. The OT from Washington (Adams) looks like a future stud LT.

I haven't started looking at next yrs draft class, but I'm sure there are more good OL out there.

Jonah Williams-LT-Alabama and David Edwards-RT-Wisconsin are two that I will watch .... so far!

 

[steelbtexan]

Jonah Williams-LT-Alabama and David Edwards-RT-Wisconsin are two that I will watch .... so far!

I'm not sure if Williams is draft eligible but I like him more than any OT I've seen so far. Great feet, takes the right angles and seems to be a great technician.

 

[justmy2cents]

I'm not sure if Williams is draft eligible but I like him more than any OT I've seen so far. Great feet, takes the right angles and seems to be a great technician.

He a junior. The big boy from Wisconsin is as well ... he was a qb, grew into a tight end, then grew into a tackle .... I like it!