TexansBull
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Except their franchise QB is still on the field. That is a big difference maker. Ours is on the IR.
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Duane Brown traded to Seahawks
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Except their franchise QB is still on the field. That is a big difference maker. Ours is on the IR.
Mr teX
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Which is probably why they have 4 more wins than us...but considering what they thought they were doing when they traded for Brown, who looked terrible yesterday i might add, them getting dominated at home like that yesterday actually bodes worse for them....Their offense is still trash & they can't protect DangerRuss.
I hate it when people try to say "well everyone can use injuries as an excuse" as if who the injuries happen to don't matter or as if all injuries are created equal. The fact of the matter is it does & us, the seahawks & probably the Giants are the biggest testament to that.
CloakNNNdagger
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This recent Arian Foster podcast interviewing Duane Brown is amazingly revealing as to so many things that went on behind the scenes. Brown had nothing but great things to say about O'Brien and the coaches..........nothing real good to say about Rick Smith and the FO...........and for good reasons when you hear the real stories!
thetexanator
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i dont like arian foster the person or duane brown the person. id rather not listen to them speak. but......im interested in knowing what they said?
Mr teX
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I'm a little over a 3rd of the way in but basically he's said that Rick Smith & the FO began distancing themselves from him after his failed drug test for the mexican meat that he was later exonerated for. He also said the FO promised him a day to speak on the protest thingy to get his side out about why he protested....but they later reniged. Then the FO came back & tried to blast him after an article he was asked to write about his side of the things regarding the protest came out.
Bob McNair's comments took it from a point of no return.
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CloakNNNdagger
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Subscribe to Arian Foster's podcast on Apple: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/now-w…d1291152192?mt=2
For more Foster podcasts: https://www.podbean.com/podcast-detail/w7qa4-5db77/Now+What+with+Arian+Foster
Thanks for putting the link up on our site C&D. I found it very informative and also enteraining especially when the discussin between Duane and Foster deteriorated into a bit of an argument beween the two of them about the meaning of privilege, blesst, etc.
I think I'm more sympathetic to what Browns situation was here in Houston and I gotta also say Foster still comes off as the same old arrogant dick.
Great interview, and just confirms my evolving thoughts about the owner and front office.
Good luck to Duane Brown. At least he's somewhere now where he's wanted.
Good luck to Duane Brown. At least he's somewhere now where he's wanted.
That is an eye-opening conversation on so many levels. I fear the split we have in America, will never heal .... what a shame.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
At the 59:45 mark (or there about) I thought it was interesting where they were talking about how Duane Brown doesn't post his workout videos and how people don't see what he does to make himself capable of doing that job. Arian Foster then comments that nobody does that and Duane immediately chimes in with "Some people do" and they both laugh. Impossible to think they weren't talking about JJ Watt and the endless stream of workout videos he's put out with all the box jumping and stuff. Probably reading too much into it but I've worked in departments with groups of people where we all had an intense "try hard" type among us and there are always people in that group who take exception to it to some degree.
Yes it is,
It's just about what I expected from Texans upper mgmt.
Hopefully these kinds of stories are a thing of the past with Gaine in charge now.
DB sure uses the F word alot. As a noun/pronoun/verb.
Good conversation on how hard it is to make the switch from the left to right side of the OL. Over the years, posters always talk about moving an aging Brown to RT or shuffling players on the OL. His comments make me wonder how much moving to the right side has impacted Jeff Allen.
No work is too hard for those who don't have to do it.
No work is too hard for those who don't have to do it.
CloakNNNdagger
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When I originally pointed out that Allen essentially played his entire career on the left side, and I felt that besides injuries, this had a major impact on his performance on the right..............it touched off a major discussion, especially when I said that playing one side presents players with challenges when trying to play the other side. Brown is not the only Olineman that I've heard interviewed echoing the same thoughts.
Seems like DB had many more stories about McNair. Last I heard, Gaine was not replacing McNair.
True but now we will get to see how much the McNair's impede the GM's ability to add talent thru the draft/FA.
Are the McNair's going to loosen the rains a little bit and let the new GM bring in the types of players he wants to bring in. In other words will Gaine be allowed to draft Peters over KJo?
infantrycak
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And who says Gaine didn't want KJo over Peters?
So if the draft doesn't agree with you then it's McNair overruling Gaine.
You sure are a great mind reader.
Peters was the #1 rated CB in that draft.
Give us your thoughts on Fosters podcast. I'm up for a few good laughs.
I thought it was either Waynes or Collins...
So no one had KJo rated over Peters?
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Can't work for someone you don't respect. McNair is not a good owner. He isolates himself and the times he is in the spotlight it's for stupid comments. The stance on not negotiating contracts is stupid and shows no human elements to players who have been lifelong Texans. He is out of touch and the good ol boy network he has in place has never worked.
This franchise will have a hard time signing top talent with him at the helm. Wish we had Khan or the dancing owner from Philly. Arthur Blank. It's depressing.
But we have #4. He's our only shot.
This franchise will have a hard time signing top talent with him at the helm. Wish we had Khan or the dancing owner from Philly. Arthur Blank. It's depressing.
But we have #4. He's our only shot.
infantrycak
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zshawn10
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Matt Young
✔@Chron_MattYoung
Highly recommend Arian Foster's sitdown with Duane Brown, which includes this quick shot at someone at 59:00:
Duane: "I don’t post my workout videos every day so you don’t get a glimpse into seeing what I do all the time.
Arian: “And nobody does.”
Duane: "Yeah. Some people do." https://twitter.com/ArianFoster/status/963813371333066752 …
11:57 AM - Feb 14, 2018
ProFootballTalk
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Duane Brown felt “disrespected” by the Texans, and felt compelled to speak out after owner Bob McNair’s comments https://wp.me/p14QSB-axlK
6:43 AM - Feb 15, 2018
Duane Brown
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. @Chron_MattYoung in your article you assumed and wrote that I was taking a shot at JJ. That's false. Don't try to create something that's not there.
8:48 PM - Feb 14, 2018
✔@Chron_MattYoung
Highly recommend Arian Foster's sitdown with Duane Brown, which includes this quick shot at someone at 59:00:
Duane: "I don’t post my workout videos every day so you don’t get a glimpse into seeing what I do all the time.
Arian: “And nobody does.”
Duane: "Yeah. Some people do." https://twitter.com/ArianFoster/status/963813371333066752 …
11:57 AM - Feb 14, 2018
ProFootballTalk
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Duane Brown felt “disrespected” by the Texans, and felt compelled to speak out after owner Bob McNair’s comments https://wp.me/p14QSB-axlK
6:43 AM - Feb 15, 2018
Duane Brown
✔@DuaneBrown76
. @Chron_MattYoung in your article you assumed and wrote that I was taking a shot at JJ. That's false. Don't try to create something that's not there.
8:48 PM - Feb 14, 2018
Despite a few awkward pauses, Arian is pretty good about leading questions to get perspective.
Not sure I'm buying everything Duane's selling, or more properly, I don't think Duane is entitled to everything he expects as a matter of course (considering his prior pro bowl status, length with the team, etc.) Hell, he seemed to think that "not getting arrested" was some sort of accomplishment in his favor.
I get that the team reneged on giving him a platform after the NE game, but not telling the team about the SI interview until after publishing loses you whatever high ground you thought you had. You get that "PR opportunity" with the chief of police and the mayor and you get all bent out of shape that there's 40 people there? Self-importance much?
He expected a "celebration" upon getting cleared from suspension FFS? Note to Duane, clenbuterol is NOT a meat preservative. Ranchers use it for the same reasons athletes do, to produce more muscle mass.
I'm particularly calling bullshit on him "wanting to finish his career here". For a guy with so many anecdotes about what he thinks of Bob McNair and the FO, I can't imagine why he'd want an extension to stay here anyway. Don't get me wrong, if Duane is a representative example of what players coming to the Texans feel about the FO, then we have a real problem, especially as it related to the lack of communication during the off-season to a player who made it know he wanted an extension. Sure, you can simply reiterate that it's not in the cards, but playing silent won't work with everybody. The thing is, there were teammates who saw the writing on the wall that Duane wanted O-U-T.
He tells the story of how he couldn't risk getting hurt in camp, but conveniently leaves out the part where he could report Day 1 of the season and be covered. Can't have it both ways Duane. No $$ risk to you showing up day 1 of the season. You didn't because you felt offended. No need to muddy the waters with how supposedly hard it was for you to stay away.
The true irony in the whole thing was Duane talking about the "Billionaire Owner" and how "he can make decisions whatever he want" without thinking of the players....while at the same time deriding fans for giving him a hard time over his millions and that they don't know what he had to do to get there. Take a good look in the mirror Duane, you don't know what McNair has done to get where he is either. The income\lifestyle gap between you and the fans is awfully similar in scale to that between you and your boss here.
Not sure I'm buying everything Duane's selling, or more properly, I don't think Duane is entitled to everything he expects as a matter of course (considering his prior pro bowl status, length with the team, etc.) Hell, he seemed to think that "not getting arrested" was some sort of accomplishment in his favor.
I get that the team reneged on giving him a platform after the NE game, but not telling the team about the SI interview until after publishing loses you whatever high ground you thought you had. You get that "PR opportunity" with the chief of police and the mayor and you get all bent out of shape that there's 40 people there? Self-importance much?He expected a "celebration" upon getting cleared from suspension FFS? Note to Duane, clenbuterol is NOT a meat preservative. Ranchers use it for the same reasons athletes do, to produce more muscle mass.
I'm particularly calling bullshit on him "wanting to finish his career here". For a guy with so many anecdotes about what he thinks of Bob McNair and the FO, I can't imagine why he'd want an extension to stay here anyway. Don't get me wrong, if Duane is a representative example of what players coming to the Texans feel about the FO, then we have a real problem, especially as it related to the lack of communication during the off-season to a player who made it know he wanted an extension. Sure, you can simply reiterate that it's not in the cards, but playing silent won't work with everybody. The thing is, there were teammates who saw the writing on the wall that Duane wanted O-U-T.
He tells the story of how he couldn't risk getting hurt in camp, but conveniently leaves out the part where he could report Day 1 of the season and be covered. Can't have it both ways Duane. No $$ risk to you showing up day 1 of the season. You didn't because you felt offended. No need to muddy the waters with how supposedly hard it was for you to stay away.
The true irony in the whole thing was Duane talking about the "Billionaire Owner" and how "he can make decisions whatever he want" without thinking of the players....while at the same time deriding fans for giving him a hard time over his millions and that they don't know what he had to do to get there. Take a good look in the mirror Duane, you don't know what McNair has done to get where he is either. The income\lifestyle gap between you and the fans is awfully similar in scale to that between you and your boss here.
xtruroyaltyx
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I didn’t take his comment as a malicious shot.
I think Duane came out and said he wasn’t talking about Watt....but even if he was that doesn’t necessarily mean there was any bad nature to it.
I think Duane came out and said he wasn’t talking about Watt....but even if he was that doesn’t necessarily mean there was any bad nature to it.
Despite a few awkward pauses, Arian is pretty good about leading questions to get perspective.
Not sure I'm buying everything Duane's selling, or more properly, I don't think Duane is entitled to everything he expects as a matter of course (considering his prior pro bowl status, length with the team, etc.) Hell, he seemed to think that "not getting arrested" was some sort of accomplishment in his favor.
He expected a "celebration" upon getting cleared from suspension FFS? Note to Duane, clenbuterol is NOT a meat preservative. Ranchers use it for the same reasons athletes do, to produce more muscle mass.
I'm particularly calling bullshit on him "wanting to finish his career here". For a guy with so many anecdotes about what he thinks of Bob McNair and the FO, I can't imagine why he'd want an extension to stay here anyway. Don't get me wrong, if Duane is a representative example of what players coming to the Texans feel about the FO, then we have a real problem, especially as it related to the lack of communication during the off-season to a player who made it know he wanted an extension. Sure, you can simply reiterate that it's not in the cards, but playing silent won't work with everybody. The thing is, there were teammates who saw the writing on the wall that Duane wanted O-U-T.
He tells the story of how he couldn't risk getting hurt in camp, but conveniently leaves out the part where he could report Day 1 of the season and be covered. Can't have it both ways Duane. No $$ risk to you showing up day 1 of the season. You didn't because you felt offended. No need to muddy the waters with how supposedly hard it was for you to stay away.
The true irony in the whole thing was Duane talking about the "Billionaire Owner" and how "he can make decisions whatever he want" without thinking of the players....while at the same time deriding fans for giving him a hard time over his millions and that they don't know what he had to do to get there. Take a good look in the mirror Duane, you don't know what McNair has done to get where he is either. The income\lifestyle gap between you and the fans is awfully similar in scale to that between you and your boss here.
This is really simple to me, DB was pissed because of the backlash he took for his NA stance and I'm sure McNair/Ricky talked to DB about it and he didn't like what they told him.
After that, DB wanted his contract guaranteed and with DB's NA stance, McNair knew DB was bad for business. You dont mess with McNair's business. That will get you run out of town quicker than anything else you could possibly do.
How this looks to me is a disgruntled employee made his boss look like an out of touch racist to some segments of society. Funny thing is if McNair was a true racist DB wouldn't have ever been hired by McNair in the 1st place, never mind the millions that McNair bestowed upon DB.
Hervoyel
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I made the same assumption and I'm still not entirely sure that Duane isn't just saying what he knows he should say here. That was a very casual conversation and at the very least I imagine that if you asked Duane Brown if he could understand how a Texans fan might take that comment as being about JJ (considering how much of that workout video stuff he does) I think he'd even admit it sounds like he's talking about JJ. Clarification is good stuff and I'm glad he gave it some.
infantrycak
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Puhleeze. Racists hire other races at times. Only hiring whites isn't an option in the NFL. The owners of the Washington Redskins were blatant racists. Donald Serling was banned from the NBA for being racist.
Not that I think McNair is racist but that assertion is silly.
I'm not buying any of it. Brown admitted to wanting more money before the 2016 season but because he was hurt and looking at a possible suspension he realized he had no leverage so he waited another year. Basically he wanted to re-negotiate 3 yrs before his contract was over. Come on now.
After he doesn't get his way he starts up with the whole McNair is a racist garbage. McNair is a politically incorrect old man from a different generation. It doesn't automatically make him a racist, though.
All that said it was an interesting, candid interview. I enjoy hearing that side of an athlete even if I don't agree with everything they are saying.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
How many of those teams play hardball with their all pro talent? You hear about teams reworking deals all the time. That's all Duane wanted was a guarantee and instead he became persona non grata for his societal beliefs beyond the race issue which most definitely was at play here too.
Everyone crying about Duane getting popped for PEDs should really temper that argument with Brian Cushing STILL on the team .. I wonder why that is?
I'm don't expect my opinion to be embraced by a noticeably right leaning forum here, but objectivity isn't being used. Everyone feels how they want and it's ok.
Remember Duane is done and couldn't help this team anyway or so the story went.
Mr teX
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he explained why he wanted to do this & it was b/c he had no more guaranteed money (or very little left) on the remaining years of his deal. Most guys in the NFL still playing at a high level try to do what he did when that is on the horizon. If the owners would get with the times and the players union grew a backbone & demanded fully guaranteed contracts like the NBA & MLB, you wouldn't have this situation continue to happen in the NFL. You'd also probably have more trade deadline deals happen.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
To me the biggest thing to come out of that conversation is that it really put into perspective something that we stay perpetually curious about without much in the way of hard facts or even unambiguous statements and that is the problem we have on this team with the way it's run and the communications gap we seem to have between the front office and the team. I agree with dissacks about some of what Duane is selling. Some of his expectations seem a little "Seriously? You thought that? No ****?" but sprinkled throughout the conversation are also some interesting allegations about the Texans front office.
Assuming some or all of that was true the team has a huge problem on their hands. It sounds almost like a Free Agent Toxic Zone in there. Who wants to come here and play with a team that's gained a reputation for dealing with their players this way? Remember when Bob McNair used to talk about wanting to model his franchise after the Pittsburgh Steelers and their decades of consistent success? That anecdote about Rod Woodson and the team keeping a roster spot open for him all year long said it all. The Texans after the way AJ left and with their handling of this come off looking like one of the teams you sign with when the money is right not one of the teams you do your part to make the deal work because you want to be there. You sign with the Texans when they (over) pay you or you're out of teams stupid enough to sign you like Ahman Green was.
Brian Gaine doesn't fix this. I don't think it's in his range of duties. This is something Bob McNair fixes and that could be a problem because he might just be the problem.
Assuming some or all of that was true the team has a huge problem on their hands. It sounds almost like a Free Agent Toxic Zone in there. Who wants to come here and play with a team that's gained a reputation for dealing with their players this way? Remember when Bob McNair used to talk about wanting to model his franchise after the Pittsburgh Steelers and their decades of consistent success? That anecdote about Rod Woodson and the team keeping a roster spot open for him all year long said it all. The Texans after the way AJ left and with their handling of this come off looking like one of the teams you sign with when the money is right not one of the teams you do your part to make the deal work because you want to be there. You sign with the Texans when they (over) pay you or you're out of teams stupid enough to sign you like Ahman Green was.
Brian Gaine doesn't fix this. I don't think it's in his range of duties. This is something Bob McNair fixes and that could be a problem because he might just be the problem.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
This is 100% correct and if I was an NFL owner (if only) I'd be bringing in a team of super-qualified "money-men" to work out how I could transition my team to a model of entirely guaranteed contracts. Basically what's going to have to happen is that the league is going to have to do this eventually and the players are going to have to accept that the days of getting to announce that you've signed a 10 year deal with "A hundred gabillion, jabillions" is over (because it only pays you $20 million before you get cut just like all the other guys are making at your position with your performance levels). Deals will get smaller (I think initially) but they'll be completely guaranteed.
The first team that manages to do this will (IMO) be like back in the day when the first couple of GM's began working out how to leverage things like signing bonuses to get around the cap. At first they're going to lose some free agent bidding wars when teams offer that dumb impossible money that players will never see but smart players will take the guaranteed dollars and know they'll see all of it
Mr teX
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See i think Gaine does fix some of this. how they handled him after the failed PED test & then how they tried to distance themselves from him when he got injured & then him not hearing a word from the FO when they knew he wanted a new deal....That sounds more like negotiation tactics solely of Smith's doing more than anything else. Now the comments McNair made & the PR press conference thingy i'm sure McNair had a hand in, but at the end of the day Smith was still involved with all of that it & he was the buffer responsible for balancing what McNair wants and making sure the player feels wanted.
It really all just confirms what i've suspected all along about Smith...he turned into a career guy ala Ricky Vaughn from major league lol.
I agree with you about Cushing/DB.
Contracts in the NFL aren't worth the paper they're written on and I dont blame McNair for holding firm, particularly after the NA stunt. After McNair called DB into his office and told him the Texans org doesn't allow that kind of crap at work, is where all of this began. (Bad for business) It ended with DB trashing McNair so he could get out of the Texans org. (Mission accomplished) But he didn't get the extension he was looking for.
Mr teX
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McNair stood by his principles in certain respects & he was most definitely out of line for his comments both times. In that regard, you cant fault DB for standing on his principles anymore than you can really fault McNair.
I listened to the entire thing and never felt like DB was 'selling' anything. He explained his perspectives, and like them or hate them, the man is entitled to his opinion about his career and (former) employer.
McNair bringing the subject of Obama's election into the locker-room just revealed a rich old man who is out of touch with his employees. That was some goofy shit right there. Talk about sowing the seeds of discontent.
McNair bringing the subject of Obama's election into the locker-room just revealed a rich old man who is out of touch with his employees. That was some goofy shit right there. Talk about sowing the seeds of discontent.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I sure hope you're right on this.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Cry me a river. He signed a front loaded 6 year deal and got his money upfront. So the back end years he could then cry that he was underpaid - which he wasn't but that's almost besides the point.
He messed in his own bed, and was smacked on the backside with a rolled up newspaper and tossed outside where he belongs. I won't miss him and if I never see his face again, it will be too soon.
He messed in his own bed, and was smacked on the backside with a rolled up newspaper and tossed outside where he belongs. I won't miss him and if I never see his face again, it will be too soon.
Jadmakaveli
Veteran
Lol.
You are the king of goofy statements, man. DB never cried about being underpaid. He just wanted guarantees in case he got hurt. Why is that too much to ask for as a player? Dude is an all-pro LT, which last time I checked, are not easy to come by in the NFL.
And lol at your take that being traded to a contender and being paid almost $10 million in 2018 by the Seahawks is a smack on the backside with a rolled up newspaper.
thetexanator
Veteran
you cant say things like this!
macho grande
Waterboy
Wow. Just wow.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Damn some people twist the crap out of stuff.
If this is the case then Gaine would be a terrible hire. You've got to be able to evaluate talent better than this if you want to build a true contender, rather than what we've seen from the Texans org over the yrs. There have been far too many examples of picks like KJo over Peters. Cushing over Matthews to name one off of the top of my head. This doesn't even call into account rds 2-4 piss poor draft record.
This has nothing to do with who I would pick and everything to do with who was picked.