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Who's overpaid and/or overrated?

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I hate to be this guy but we (read as: The Texans) are dropping millions upon millions on several people that just aren't worth it.

I'll dive in with J Jo.

He's very good but I noticed JJo getting owned several times this year.
Old, injured.. whatever. I'm thinking the money may be better spent elsewhere.

Anyway

Random inebriated spitball.

Who else makes thouzands per minute and shouldn't?
 
Not necessarily overrated but Lamar Miller always stepping out of bounds on the sideline instead of fighting for extra yardage and I think it's something we should talk about.
 
Brian Cushing tops the list followed closely by Lamar Miller/Jeff Allen.

Cushing due to age and position not necessarily needing high dollar players to get similar contributions.

Miller due to same as Cushing minus age factor

Allen because he’s not good at RG and we insist to play him at RG.
 
AngryNateFTW said:
Not necessarily overrated but Lamar Miller always stepping out of bounds on the sideline instead of fighting for extra yardage and I think it's something we should talk about.
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I have never been particularly enthused about Lamar Miller.
I was very pleased when we got Foreman but we need another prospect similar in ability/potential so we can continue to build a dangerous running game and wave bye bye to Miller and his over priced contract.
Blue is not particularly exciting either but he knows the offense and is cheap and reliable.
It would help DW4 and our scoring ability immensely if we had a solid 1-2 punch out of the backfield.
Texans have to cover themselves regardless in case Foreman loses his potential from this injury.
 
Texansphan said:
I have never been particularly enthused about Lamar Miller.
I was very pleased when we got Foreman but we need another prospect similar in ability/potential so we can continue to build a dangerous running game and wave bye bye to Miller and his over priced contract.
Blue is not particularly exciting either but he knows the offense and is cheap and reliable.
It would help DW4 and our scoring ability immensely if we had a solid 1-2 punch out of the backfield.
Texans have to cover themselves regardless in case Foreman loses his potential from this injury.
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Where I scratch my head with Miller (same argument with Ervin) is BOB isn’t using them like I imagined when they first initially came here. These guys need to get the ball in space, not behind the LOS all the time expected to run between the tackles.
 
dream_team said:
Where I scratch my head with Miller (same argument with Ervin) is BOB isn’t using them like I imagined when they first initially came here. These guys need to get the ball in space, not behind the LOS all the time expected to run between the tackles.
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Agree.
Miller is not a battering ram back like Fournette for example - he needs space to get to the second level where he is at his most dangerous.
Our oline just isn't up to snuff when it comes to creating space for our running game.
Sua Filo was quite good at getting downfield in college but is not as effective in the big time.
This is what Texans were looking for from him when they drafted him for sure.
 
JJo was $6.9 mil last season. Top CBs get $15+ mil. JJo was well worth what he was paid.

He is now a FA and can likely be signed to a contract for less. We need to fill holes/upgrade, not make them.

Good cut/cap savings:
Cushing/$7.6 mil
Allen/$4.825 mil
Miller/$4.75 mil

Arguable:
Kareem Jackson/$6.75 mil

After that you're dealing in less than a mil in savings.
 
This is basically a who should we be cutting thread


Cush - Nothing else to say here but he's done
Miller - he's good...very good pass catcher out of the backfield...but he's not the tough runner this system needs. I'd be in favor of keeping him, but he needs a little shave off the top.
X Suafilo - Should not be paid by anyone to play professional football
J-Jo - needs a little shave off the top to bring his salary in line with his play

I think 1 more year of Watt missing 2 or more games & yeah, he'll need a little cut down too.
 
It's difficult to get behind cutting Lamar Miller when the heir apparent is rehabbing a torn Achilles, there are no picks in the 1st 2 rounds, and the free agent market is Le'Veon Bell (likely to be franchised) and nothing. Miller automatically becomes the top FA RB after Bell once cut. Not the best year to be RB hunting.
 
infantrycak said:
JJo was $6.9 mil last season. Top CBs get $15+ mil. JJo was well worth what he was paid.

He is now a FA and can likely be signed to a contract for less. We need to fill holes/upgrade, not make them.

Good cut/cap savings:
Cushing/$7.6 mil
Allen/$4.825 mil
Miller/$4.75 mil

Arguable:
Kareem Jackson/$6.75 mil


After that you're dealing in less than a mil in savings.
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I agree with Cushing and Allen. No brainers based on their production. Given the holes at O-Line, I expect the Texans NOT to drop Allen even I would if I was the GM.
I also think with Lamar Miller, the Texans will keep him. Foreman will likely never be a factor in future plans (post-achilles tear), and Blue is a Free Agent.

Kareem Jackson is a terrible cornerback, on a terrible contract. With KJo always hurt (and unproductive as a result), and JJo an OLD free agent, I'll be we keep him another year.
 
PolarBear said:
I agree with Cushing and Allen. No brainers based on their production. Given the holes at O-Line, I expect the Texans NOT to drop Allen even I would if I was the GM.
I also think with Lamar Miller, the Texans will keep him. Foreman will likely never be a factor in future plans (post-achilles tear), and Blue is a Free Agent.

Kareem Jackson is a terrible cornerback, on a terrible contract. With KJo always hurt (and unproductive as a result), and JJo an OLD free agent, I'll be we keep him another year.
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I'm ok with cutting Cushing, Allen and Miller but if I could get anything for these guys in a trade, I'd do it. A lot of teams could get nostalgic and trade a better than expected pick for a savvy veteran that may gap a position. Bottom line, the Texans are in need of additional cap space and picks in 2018. Will the team get the same cap relief if they trade these players versus giving them an outright release? If any of these 3 guys returned a RD5, I'd do back flips and hail the new GM as a mastermind, but in all reality, if these players returned RD6 or RD7 picks, I'd be a-ok. The draft is really deep in DB's and having those extra late picks could be of some benefit in stocking the ST unit.

As far as KJax, JJo and KJo go, their success has always been dependent on a solid performance from the front seven. I'm thinking there will be enough healthy bodies returning on defense that the defensive backfield will once again look good. I still think that one of the best moves available is having KJax play FS. He has to play defense facing the play, then be allowed to use his speed and physicality to be the disrupting factor. Texans could use the extra cap space to sign FA, CB- Morris Claiborne to allow the KJax position move. The draft is where the Texans would need to find a big and physical SS in the range of 6-2+ @ 220+lbs who has the ability to be a factor in the running game and still be able to cover the position in the passing game.

I'm going to wait on the offense discussion since there is so much to look at in terms of need(s).
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I have this terrible feeling that Fiedo makes the terrible decision to try to come back.
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One of the best, Luke Kuechly, has had like 3 or 4 concussions and he's still in the league playing at an all-pro level so I won't be the least bit surprised either if Fiedo returns for the 2018 season.
It's not just a game to him it's his life, so yea it's tuff for a young man what 25 with so little time left in an average NFL career to walk away even though he really should.
 
IDEXAN said:
One of the best, Luke Kuechly, has had like 3 or 4 concussions and he's still in the league playing at an all-pro level so I won't be the least bit surprised either if Fiedo returns for the 2018 season.
It's not just a game to him it's his life, so yea it's tuff for a young man what 25 with so little time left in an average NFL career to walk away even though he really should.
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As bad as Kuechly's concussion history has been made to sound and widely publicized, it does not in any way reach the magnitude of concern which should be extended to Fiedorowicz. Kuechly has suffered 3 concussions in 3 years. Fiedorowicz suffered a concussion in week 14 of 2016, then at an unknown time in 2017 in the late preseason/early regular season practice, then in week 1 and again in week 13.................4 concussions in less than 1 year!
 
IDEXAN said:
One of the best, Luke Kuechly, has had like 3 or 4 concussions and he's still in the league playing at an all-pro level so I won't be the least bit surprised either if Fiedo returns for the 2018 season.
It's not just a game to him it's his life, so yea it's tuff for a young man what 25 with so little time left in an average NFL career to walk away even though he really should.
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That's the key phrase there.....Fiedo is no where close to being elite. As Mr. Meredith would say.........

 
CloakNNNdagger said:
As bad as Kuechly's concussion history has been made to sound and widely publicized, it does not in any way reach the magnitude of concern which should be extended to Fiedorowicz. Kuechly has suffered 3 concussions in 3 years. Fiedorowicz suffered a concussion in week 14 of 2016, then at an unknprogressiveown time in 2017 in the late preseason/early regular season practice, then in week 1 and again in week 13.................4 concussions in less than 1 year!
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So bottom line is that Feidos pattern is more progressive which by definition means briefer and briefer intervals ?
 
Lucky said:
This site says the Texans are $56 million under the cap. They need more than that? And who's playing RB once you cut or trade MIller?
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Miller doesn't make this running game work in the manner O'Brien wants to use him. Could he be a bigger factor behind a better OL? Maybe, provided he's the third down back. I actually like a healthy Blue in O'Brien's backfield and he's going to be very inexpensive to re-sign. Not sure if Foreman is going to bounce back fully in 2018 but he's a young guy and it's not like other players haven't returned from this type of injury. Clowney was supposed to be a shell of himself after his injury but he's young, received good medical attention and is now playing the game at a very high level. If anyone bring s up the fact that this is just short time success until his injury ends his career....then get on board with trading him this off-season before the team either loses him to FA or has to spend crazy money by "tagging" him in 2019. Like I mentioned in another thread, If Clowney could return a combination of 2- RD1, RD2 and or RD3 in 2018 and a 1- RD1, RD2 or RD3 in 2019, I'd make this move knowing I could replace him and have an answer for another area of need on this roster....like a RB. Regardless, I'd be drafting a RB in this draft which is also another position looking pretty deep. Yeah, I think there is a RB in the draft better suited to O'Brien's style of play than Miller.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Miller doesn't make this running game work in the manner O'Brien wants to use him. Could he be a bigger factor behind a better OL? Maybe, provided he's the third down back. I actually like a healthy Blue in O'Brien's backfield and he's going to be very inexpensive to re-sign. Not sure if Foreman is going to bounce back fully in 2018 but he's a young guy and it's not like other players haven't returned from this type of injury. Clowney was supposed to be a shell of himself after his injury but he's young, received good medical attention and is now playing the game at a very high level. If anyone bring s up the fact that this is just short time success until his injury ends his career....then get on board with trading him this off-season before the team either loses him to FA or has to spend crazy money by "tagging" him in 2019. Like I mentioned in another thread, If Clowney could return a combination of 2- RD1, RD2 and or RD3 in 2018 and a 1- RD1, RD2 or RD3 in 2019, I'd make this move knowing I could replace him and have an answer for another area of need on this roster....like a RB. Regardless, I'd be drafting a RB in this draft which is also another position looking pretty deep. Yeah, I think there is a RB in the draft better suited to O'Brien's style of play than Miller.
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There has been no NFL RB that has ever recaptured sustained pre-injury form after rupturing an Achilles tendon. This would not be unexpected as the position relies so heavily on a combination of explosiveness, speed, cutting ability and physicality against repeated massive resistance. And that is not even taking into account that this injury is infamous for leading to further lower extremities injuries when attempting return.
 
Kevin had serious injury 2016. 2017 had 2 lis franc foot injuries, a strained MCL and concussion but 2018 final contract year, cheap with 5th year option so he will get chance to return to 2015 rookie year which was very good.

Fiedo should retire but he won't. Perhaps they use him solely as blocker as head slaps to head illegal.

Why not bring Joseph back as a safety? Experienced vet with speed enough to play next to Hal.

Cushing and Allen's $12 million for year one of an offer for Panthers guard Andrew Norwell which would help Davenport left side. Draft Braden Smith from Auburn to start RG.

Kolton Miller or Brian O'Neill or Tyrell Crosby round 3 could start RT and be better than Giacomini was. If Memphis LT Trevon Tate decides to come out as junior, I would add him as a possible RT. He blocked well for Qb Riley Ferguson who is entering draft with WR Anthony Miller, so why stay?

Sammy Watkins should be signed to join fellow Clemson WR Hopkins and you know who. Watkins didn't get many targets with Rams but avg over 15 per catch. He prob would sign vet minimum to prove himself.

Also Texans could use part of $50 m for two starting corners like Trumaine Johnson Rams 6'2 213 28 65 tackles, 14 P.Def. 2INTs. His franchise tag $16.7 so a long term deal should get him around $14 year one. A second FA cb for about same would leave about $2m for draft pool and $20 m for other needs.

IIRC we have about $11 million to roll over to 2018 cap which should get at least one more starter. Texans have cap to aggressively turn team around.

I read today about DE to be cut soon. Cannot remember name or team, but he avg. 8 sacks last 2 years for $8 m. Turns 30 2018. I'd look at him.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
I'm ok with cutting Cushing, Allen and Miller but if I could get anything for these guys in a trade, I'd do it. A lot of teams could get nostalgic and trade a better than expected pick for a savvy veteran that may gap a position. Bottom line, the Texans are in need of additional cap space and picks in 2018. Will the team get the same cap relief if they trade these players versus giving them an outright release? If any of these 3 guys returned a RD5, I'd do back flips and hail the new GM as a mastermind, but in all reality, if these players returned RD6 or RD7 picks, I'd be a-ok. The draft is really deep in DB's and having those extra late picks could be of some benefit in stocking the ST unit.

As far as KJax, JJo and KJo go, their success has always been dependent on a solid performance from the front seven. I'm thinking there will be enough healthy bodies returning on defense that the defensive backfield will once again look good. I still think that one of the best moves available is having KJax play FS. He has to play defense facing the play, then be allowed to use his speed and physicality to be the disrupting factor. Texans could use the extra cap space to sign FA, CB- Morris Claiborne to allow the KJax position move. The draft is where the Texans would need to find a big and physical SS in the range of 6-2+ @ 220+lbs who has the ability to be a factor in the running game and still be able to cover the position in the passing game.

I'm going to wait on the offense discussion since there is so much to look at in terms of need(s).
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The new GM needs to find atleast 1 CB in FA and 1 CB in the draft. They will need to find another CB if they let JoJo walk. JoJo can be a decent CB2 and there's a lot of value in that. The new GM also needs to find a SS real badly and another pass rusher is also a need.

With the OL needing atleast 3 new guys, (Really 4 new guys) I dont see how the new GM will have the resources to fill these holes.
 
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steelbtexan said:
The new GM needs to find atleast 1 CB in FA and 1 CB in the draft. They will need to find another CB if they let JoJo walk. JoJo can be a decent CB2 and there's a lot of value in that. The new GM also needs to find a SS real badly and another pass rusher is also a need.

With the OL needing atleast 3 new guys, (Really 4 new guys) I dont see how the new GM will have the resources to fill these holes.
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with the right mix of FA/draftee's it can be done... they won't all be all-pro's but that will be expected

edit: maybe they can move Dylan Cole to SS
 
It's great and wonderful to know who is overpaid and should be cut but it's quite another to cut said players without having a replacement in place. Cush could be cut tomorrow because his replacement is already on the team. JJO is a different story. I'd like to see Allen moved to LG, where he had good years with the Chiefs, and let X walk. Draft as best you can for OL and CB without reaching too much.
 
DocBar said:
It's great and wonderful to know who is overpaid and should be cut but it's quite another to cut said players without having a replacement in place. Cush could be cut tomorrow because his replacement is already on the team. JJO is a different story. I'd like to see Allen moved to LG, where he had good years with the Chiefs, and let X walk. Draft as best you can for OL and CB without reaching too much.
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Would you rather sign Vontae Davis or re-sign JoJo?
 
infantrycak said:
JJo but why is it one or the other? Davis will be cheap coming off performance & injury problems.
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I hope they go after Butler in FA since he already knows the Patriot way.

I wonder if there will be enough $$$$ to sign Davis/Butler and a cheap safety. Plus an OT like JuJawn James, or Cordy Glenn?

I'm going to do an offseason thread later

But I would be very happy with FA signing of Butler/James/and a S like Colt Anderson, CB Tawiaan Jones. Both great ST's guys. If Anderson (Broken arm) can stay healthy he would be an upgrade at the S position.
 
Corrosion said:
Who was overpaid ?! .... Anyone who played along the offensive line. They played so bad they should all give their checks to my favorite charity.
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I'm pretty sure I have the same charity.

Lucky said:
This site says the Texans are $56 million under the cap. They need more than that? And who's playing RB once you cut or trade MIller?
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With reupping JClowney et al and not having the lion's share of optimal draft picks I'd say we're going to have to go out and spend some money on talent so, to answer your question.. probably a lot more.

amazing80 said:
It would probably be easier to make a thread asking who is worth their contract.
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I thought I did. TomAto Tomato POtato Potato
 
Corrosion said:
Who was overpaid ?! .... Anyone who played along the offensive line. They played so bad they should all give their checks to my favorite charity.
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I'm pretty sure I have the same charity.

Lucky said:
This site says the Texans are $56 million under the cap. They need more than that? And who's playing RB once you cut or trade MIller?
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With reupping JClowney et al and not having the lion's share of optimal draft picks I'd say we're going to have to go out and spend some money on talent so, to answer your question.. probably a lot more.

amazing80 said:
It would probably be easier to make a thread asking who is worth their contract.
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I thought I did. TomAto Tomato POtato Potato
 
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