I'm trying to remember the OL being good with Turnstile Winston in there.
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All encompassing Bill O'Brien thread
- Thread starter False Start
- Start date
The Houston Texans are planning to move forward with Bill O’Brien as their head coach, according to Houston Fox 26s Mark Berman. There have been meetings over the last couple of weeks to figure out the best plan of action, given the recent news of general manager Rick Smith taking a leave of absence to take care of his wife, Tiffany, who is fighting breast cancer.
With O’Brien in place, the Texans will now turn their attention toward finding a replacement for Smith. Names that have already been tagged are current assistant general manager Jimmy Raye III and current Bills VP/player personnel director Brian Gaine, who was part of the Texans until the start of this offseason.
Texans players have been supportive of O’Brien over the last month of the season, praising his coaching style and, more importantly, how well he handles the players on a day-to-day basis. The locker room supports Bill O’Brien and over the last month, Deshaun Watson, Shane Lechler, Brian Cushing, and Jadeveon Clowney all have come out backing their head coach. In the same breath, many players have expressed their feelings that the talent inside the locker room, built by Smith and company, is good enough to compete, but the fact of the matter is that the injuries have zapped any real hope of that.
O’Brien will be the one figurehead of the organization, going 31-32 over the past four seasons with two AFC South titles in 2015 and 2016. His presence in the building is even more imperative with Smith leaving the organization and now, O’Brien will work with ownership to find the best direction for the team.https://scout.com/nfl/texans/Articl...Brien-Heading-into-the-2018-Season--112985849
With O’Brien in place, the Texans will now turn their attention toward finding a replacement for Smith. Names that have already been tagged are current assistant general manager Jimmy Raye III and current Bills VP/player personnel director Brian Gaine, who was part of the Texans until the start of this offseason.
Texans players have been supportive of O’Brien over the last month of the season, praising his coaching style and, more importantly, how well he handles the players on a day-to-day basis. The locker room supports Bill O’Brien and over the last month, Deshaun Watson, Shane Lechler, Brian Cushing, and Jadeveon Clowney all have come out backing their head coach. In the same breath, many players have expressed their feelings that the talent inside the locker room, built by Smith and company, is good enough to compete, but the fact of the matter is that the injuries have zapped any real hope of that.
O’Brien will be the one figurehead of the organization, going 31-32 over the past four seasons with two AFC South titles in 2015 and 2016. His presence in the building is even more imperative with Smith leaving the organization and now, O’Brien will work with ownership to find the best direction for the team.https://scout.com/nfl/texans/Articl...Brien-Heading-into-the-2018-Season--112985849
Hervoyel
BUENO!
We have very different memories on that. Winston was solid. Not spectacular but definitely solid. When the Texans chose to move on from him I remember the position becoming a yearly question mark as we watched Derrick Newton "develop". Not saying it made Winston a good player but solid looked a lot better while watching Newton go through one injury plagued season after another. We got six seasons out of Eric Winston and he could come in today and probably beat out what we had last season playing that spot.
I miss the days when our biggest problems were trying to figure out how to improve on an already acceptable player instead of trying to find someone to send a scrub packing.
We absolutely do need a talented OL coach though. Under Kubiak the OL was ineffective and hot garbage much of the time until they got Gibbs to come in and get them all on the same page/coach them up. What Gibbs did here stuck but as those players have left the line play has dropped off considerably. I think it's partly due to talent and partly due to not having someone here who can forge an OL out of a collection of guys with potential. I don't have any doubts that Gibbs could have gotten a decent to good LG out of Su'a Filo.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Is it just me or does Jimmy Raye III look like a clone of Rick Smith? If he was 1/8 Rick's size he'd be his Mini-Me. His career history is pretty darn underwhelming too. I can't spot a single stop along his career path where he could hang his hat on what that team did during that time.
I remember Winston as a road grader in run blocking and a turnstile in pass pro. Winston was def better than Newton, so you do have a point. Who'da thunk coaching matters? lol
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Seemingly not the Texans.
You talking about Ricky?
Who has made excuses for BOB , I think most wanted both gone.
You just didn't want BOB to begin with and called him vile/disgusting names, so I would expect this post from you.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I really don't have a problem keeping OB. I think alot of his failures was trying to make chicken soup at the qb position. If nothing else, much like Kubiak did, he should've reevaluated the qb situation with schaub,keenum,and whomever even as a stopgap. Since his impatience is a problem, the team went through high turnover with mediocrity at the most important position. They should've drafted Carr,Jimmy G,or Bridgewater late 1st/early 2nd of the 1st draft. I don't have insider knowledge, but I believe that was his call. Instead, the Texans wasted years with fitz,hoyer,and even os. Now, the defense has gotten old, not as good, but they do have the most important position filled. To that I say, it's ultra important to keep consistent surroundings around Watson.
houstonhurricane
Veteran
I know we like to blame injuries for this disaster of a season but does anyone remember walking out of NRG after the absolute beat down by the Jags...with Watson, Mercelius, Foreman and JJ active? BOB has one season to fix this all or he absolutely needs to be a goner.
Yep, we were 3-4 when Watson got hurt
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Kind of with Watson. An ill prepared one because OB couldn't tell he was better than Savage.
ColeThornton
Waterboy
It does get old and I don't think he has done enough to earn an arrogant condescending attitude toward those who ask him fair questions.TheMatrix31 said:
He's also had his input into player selection as well and if he ever has DW still in the game in trash time again... wake up, the guy had a season ending injury in "practice", don't do it again!
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Meh. At this stage of DW4's career, he needs all the snaps he can get. Every coach in the league would leave their QB in the game. It's a rarity for a coach to pull a player unless the score is absurdly lop-sided. How many times has Brady been pulled in garbage time? I'm not even an OB fan, but I'm not going to nitpick that. Having input is one thing, having final say is another. That's the inherent fault of the system the Texans use: too many cooks in the kitchen. I'm not sure if your "practice" comment was sarcasm or not, but it's highly likely that DW4's ACL was compromised in the previous game and DW4 didn't say anything about knee soreness. Players do that kind of stuff every week.
ColeThornton
Waterboy
I just think with injuries to both knees now, he doesn't need to be in a game down 16 with seconds left, but, you make good points. And, yes, that's one of the problems it seems we never really know what's going on with this team. It's like they're guarding the nuclear codes.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Maybe the godfather misinterprets the Rooney Rule.
I've read where he also wanted to hire cousin Lovie as coach.
TripleTap
Dead Wood
Gotta say this sounds like the worst idea in the world. O'Brien has had his chance and bungled it, managed to luck into a few (barely) winning seasons, and showed his true capabilities when the phenomenal DW4 got hurt.
The whole swinging season went into the tank and Bob won what, 1 additional game? Really kids, we need to get rid of O'Brien as some as humanly possible.
If McNair is frightened of starting over (and at his age and with his health you can see how he might be), then let let O'Brien go after one more year. If they win the Super Bowl next year, or get within spitting distance, rethink. For now, get a top flight GM (for Smith's "leave") and figure that after next year that GM can find us a coach worth having.
We do not need three more seasons of this unwatchable crap.
ColeThornton
Waterboy
Well, as I said, I prefer one more year sink or swim, with no one else to blame. That "McNair is frightened of starting over (and at his age and with his health you can see how he might be)" point cuts both ways. Sticking with O'Brien long enough could assure he never sees a championship.
zshawn10
All Pro
Daniel Gotera
✔@DTGoteraKHOU
Bill O'Brien opens by saying he offers nothing but support for Rick Smith and his family during her battle with cancer. "A very tough woman". #Texans
10:07 AM - Jan 2, 2018
Daniel Gotera
✔@DTGoteraKHOU
Bill O'Brien: "I really enjoy being the head coach here" #Texans
10:10 AM - Jan 2, 2018
Daniel Gotera
✔@DTGoteraKHOU
Bill O'Brien says he and the organization are having "productive talks" with regards to his future with the team. #Texans
10:09 AM - Jan 2, 2018
✔@DTGoteraKHOU
Bill O'Brien opens by saying he offers nothing but support for Rick Smith and his family during her battle with cancer. "A very tough woman". #Texans
10:07 AM - Jan 2, 2018
Daniel Gotera
✔@DTGoteraKHOU
Bill O'Brien: "I really enjoy being the head coach here" #Texans
10:10 AM - Jan 2, 2018
Daniel Gotera
✔@DTGoteraKHOU
Bill O'Brien says he and the organization are having "productive talks" with regards to his future with the team. #Texans
10:09 AM - Jan 2, 2018
zshawn10
All Pro
Greg Bailey
✔@GregBailey13
#Texans O'Brien: what we want is "alignment." He hints that he does not demand control over personnel.
10:13 AM - Jan 2, 2018
Brian T. Smith
✔@ChronBrianSmith
O'Brien on Brian Gaine: "Brian's a very bright guy." #Texans#Bills
10:13 AM - Jan 2, 2018
Adam Wexler@awexlerKPRC
"I think Sean Ryan's goal is to call his own plays, I certainly don't want to stand in his way." - O'Brien. Also says he doesn't want to lose Vrabel but this is what happens when you have a great group of coaches. #Texans
10:12 AM - Jan 2, 2018
✔@GregBailey13
#Texans O'Brien: what we want is "alignment." He hints that he does not demand control over personnel.
10:13 AM - Jan 2, 2018
Brian T. Smith
✔@ChronBrianSmith
O'Brien on Brian Gaine: "Brian's a very bright guy." #Texans#Bills
10:13 AM - Jan 2, 2018
Adam Wexler@awexlerKPRC
"I think Sean Ryan's goal is to call his own plays, I certainly don't want to stand in his way." - O'Brien. Also says he doesn't want to lose Vrabel but this is what happens when you have a great group of coaches. #Texans
10:12 AM - Jan 2, 2018
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Sarah Barshop@sarahbarshop 41s42 seconds ago
Bill O'Brien said he wants to make sure he has "alignment" with whoever is making personnel decisions next season.
Bill O'Brien said he wants to make sure he has "alignment" with whoever is making personnel decisions next season.
zshawn10
All Pro
patrick
✔@PatDStat
“I would tell you that we do have a good front line of core players.” Bill O’Brien on the roster of the #Texans.
10:19 AM - Jan 2, 2018
Greg Bailey
✔@GregBailey13
#Texans O'Brien: I spoke to Rick Smith every day. We always had good conversations. I do look in the mirror and look for ways to improve.
10:21 AM - Jan 2, 2018
Greg Bailey
✔@GregBailey13
#Texans O'Brien: I expect Crennel to be back.
10:19 AM - Jan 2, 2018
Shots fired?
"Injuries happen, but that's why you have to do a great job building your roster, depth. If you stand up here and say injuries are the only reason we lost, that's not a very good statement," O'Brien. #Texans
— Adam Wexler (@awexlerKPRC) January 2, 2018
✔@PatDStat
“I would tell you that we do have a good front line of core players.” Bill O’Brien on the roster of the #Texans.
10:19 AM - Jan 2, 2018
Greg Bailey
✔@GregBailey13
#Texans O'Brien: I spoke to Rick Smith every day. We always had good conversations. I do look in the mirror and look for ways to improve.
10:21 AM - Jan 2, 2018
Greg Bailey
✔@GregBailey13
#Texans O'Brien: I expect Crennel to be back.
10:19 AM - Jan 2, 2018
Shots fired?
"Injuries happen, but that's why you have to do a great job building your roster, depth. If you stand up here and say injuries are the only reason we lost, that's not a very good statement," O'Brien. #Texans
— Adam Wexler (@awexlerKPRC) January 2, 2018
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Wexler stirring crap again.
zshawn10
All Pro
"It’s really not about extensions, etc, it’s abuot what we need to do to get us back to the playoffs and where we need to be," – O’Brien. #Texans
— Adam Wexler (@awexlerKPRC) January 2, 2018
#Texans O’Brien on special teams: it was too inconsistent.
— Greg Bailey (@GregBailey13) January 2, 2018
"Everything is on the table. Everything is being discussed. Because that how Bob McNair is, he wants information, he wants facts," – #Texans O’Brien. At the very least, the possiblility for significant philosophical changes w/in organization is clearly afoot.
— Adam Wexler (@awexlerKPRC) January 2, 2018
Asked if there's a scenario where he would not coach #Texans in 2018, O'Brien again said that discussions with McNairs are ongoing and everything is still being decided. #NFL
— Brian T. Smith (@ChronBrianSmith) January 2, 2018
— Adam Wexler (@awexlerKPRC) January 2, 2018
#Texans O’Brien on special teams: it was too inconsistent.
— Greg Bailey (@GregBailey13) January 2, 2018
"Everything is on the table. Everything is being discussed. Because that how Bob McNair is, he wants information, he wants facts," – #Texans O’Brien. At the very least, the possiblility for significant philosophical changes w/in organization is clearly afoot.
— Adam Wexler (@awexlerKPRC) January 2, 2018
Asked if there's a scenario where he would not coach #Texans in 2018, O'Brien again said that discussions with McNairs are ongoing and everything is still being decided. #NFL
— Brian T. Smith (@ChronBrianSmith) January 2, 2018
zshawn10
All Pro
BOB literally just said that in his press conference; it's his own words and Wexler is just tweeting it
A time to chill
Waterboy
My biggest take away from that press conference was that O'Brien said that he needs alignment with the next GM which implies that he and Rick Smith weren't seeing eye to eye. That quote about having depth in the roster seemed like a shot at Rick Smith. Rick Smith said yesterday that you have to execute which was a shot a Bill O'Brien.
I wish I was a fly on the wall there on Kirby Dr, because I would really like to know who was behind some of the bad decisions the Texans have made over the past 4 years. Rick Smith made mistakes by not hitting picks in the lower rounds of the draft, but I think O'Brien had control over some of the personnel decisions on offense that didn't work out either.
I wish I was a fly on the wall there on Kirby Dr, because I would really like to know who was behind some of the bad decisions the Texans have made over the past 4 years. Rick Smith made mistakes by not hitting picks in the lower rounds of the draft, but I think O'Brien had control over some of the personnel decisions on offense that didn't work out either.
To me, it sure looks like we already were doing what OBrien wanted personnel wise the past 4 years.
It's so different from what Kubiak-Wade-Rick did.
Particularly because we jettisoned so many Kubiak players.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/948247440444084224
So special teams, Running backs and secondary should be better next year right?
Is that amount of turnover and the HC staying normal? Turnover I mean firing.
So special teams, Running backs and secondary should be better next year right?
Is that amount of turnover and the HC staying normal? Turnover I mean firing.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Housecleaning continues.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Mark Berman@MarkBermanFox26 4m4 minutes ago
Jim Bernhardt, #Texans director of football research, has left to spend more time with his family.
Jim Bernhardt, #Texans director of football research, has left to spend more time with his family.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Bill O'Brien expected to sign extension with Texans
By John McClain, Houston Chronicle
Published 11:12 am, Tuesday, January 2, 2018
Texans coach Bill O'Brien took a break today from "positive, productive discussions" with owner Bob McNair and vice chairman Cal McNair to meet with the media.
O'Brien wouldn't talk specifically about his contract that has one year remaining, but he's expected to sign an extension once the new general manager is hired to replace Rick Smith.
O'Brien reiterated he wants to continue to be the Texas' coach and praised the McNairs and the "positive discussions" about everything in the organization.
"The McNairs are fantastic bosses, and they don't rush into anything," O'Brien said. "The talks are about what's best for this organization. There's a bright future for the organization. We're having positive, production discussions. Mr. McNair wants to win a Super Bowl and to give back to the city.
"The big thing for me and the McNairs is alignment philosophically (with new GM)."
O'Brien said the goal is to turn around a 4-12 season and do what it takes to return to the playoffs.
By John McClain, Houston Chronicle
Published 11:12 am, Tuesday, January 2, 2018
Texans coach Bill O'Brien took a break today from "positive, productive discussions" with owner Bob McNair and vice chairman Cal McNair to meet with the media.
O'Brien wouldn't talk specifically about his contract that has one year remaining, but he's expected to sign an extension once the new general manager is hired to replace Rick Smith.
O'Brien reiterated he wants to continue to be the Texas' coach and praised the McNairs and the "positive discussions" about everything in the organization.
"The McNairs are fantastic bosses, and they don't rush into anything," O'Brien said. "The talks are about what's best for this organization. There's a bright future for the organization. We're having positive, production discussions. Mr. McNair wants to win a Super Bowl and to give back to the city.
"The big thing for me and the McNairs is alignment philosophically (with new GM)."
O'Brien said the goal is to turn around a 4-12 season and do what it takes to return to the playoffs.
How is reporting what BOB said stirring up crap?
Unless you just dont like BOB or what he said.
Scooter
Funky
Per the special teams firings, probably deserved. This is one area that I put 100% on Rick Smith though. Special teams is not just 'leftovers and a lucky coach'. You need actual talent to have that third phase of the game. Your gunner is WR5, not WR5 being the gunner. LB7 is Brahman, and you pay him to stay. Including a return specialist, you should have no fewer than 3 special teams standouts. The thinking 'they're athletes, they can play special teams' is backwards. They're athletes, they can play a position - so find someone who can make an impact.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Bill O'Brien says he expects to return for the 2018 season
11:56 AM CT
HOUSTON -- Houston Texans head coach Bill O'Brien said he feels he will be back in 2018 and has had "positive" and "productive talks" with owner Bob McNair about signing a contract extension during this offseason.
O'Brien has one season remaining on the five-year contract he signed when he took over in Houston in 2014. O'Brien said he and McNair are now focused on making sure whoever is hired to replace Rick Smith as general manager shares the same philosophies he does. After the Texans' season-finale loss on Sunday, Smith announced he is taking a leave of absence to help take care of his wife as she battles breast cancer. Smith will retain his title as executive vice president, but indicated on Monday that the Texans could name a new general manager while he is gone.
"I think the big thing for me, and I think the big thing for the McNairs [owner Bob and his son Cal McNair] ... is alignment," O'Brien said. "Being aligned philosophically on what type of team we want."
O'Brien reiterated that he enjoys being the head coach of the Texans and said he and the McNairs are having positive meetings about any changes that will be made to the organization in Smith's absence. O'Brien repeated that the discussions are ongoing and that he is not yet sure how the organization will approach the upcoming season in the front office.
"I really enjoy being the head coach here," O'Brien said. "I think we have the makings of a good football team with the core players that we have here. I really think there's a bright future for this organization, no doubt about it." THE REST OF THE STORY
11:56 AM CT
- Sarah BarshopESPN Staff Writer
HOUSTON -- Houston Texans head coach Bill O'Brien said he feels he will be back in 2018 and has had "positive" and "productive talks" with owner Bob McNair about signing a contract extension during this offseason.
O'Brien has one season remaining on the five-year contract he signed when he took over in Houston in 2014. O'Brien said he and McNair are now focused on making sure whoever is hired to replace Rick Smith as general manager shares the same philosophies he does. After the Texans' season-finale loss on Sunday, Smith announced he is taking a leave of absence to help take care of his wife as she battles breast cancer. Smith will retain his title as executive vice president, but indicated on Monday that the Texans could name a new general manager while he is gone.
"I think the big thing for me, and I think the big thing for the McNairs [owner Bob and his son Cal McNair] ... is alignment," O'Brien said. "Being aligned philosophically on what type of team we want."
O'Brien reiterated that he enjoys being the head coach of the Texans and said he and the McNairs are having positive meetings about any changes that will be made to the organization in Smith's absence. O'Brien repeated that the discussions are ongoing and that he is not yet sure how the organization will approach the upcoming season in the front office.
"I really enjoy being the head coach here," O'Brien said. "I think we have the makings of a good football team with the core players that we have here. I really think there's a bright future for this organization, no doubt about it." THE REST OF THE STORY
Well atleast Cak cant say that Wex is a part of the media that's full of crap.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Quotes aren't the problem.
A HC or GM discussing areas to improve is not necessarily "taking shots." It's the job of both to look for all causes/areas for improvement.
Was trying to make this point a few weeks ago. Depth is not synonymous with good special teams. Selecting for STs builds good STs. As you say, there is a difference in selecting a reserve WR and having them play ST and selecting a gunner who can play backup WR.
Scooter
Funky
Meh, I'm out. Hell I'm only here now because it's too cold to do anything other than drink, and I'm too drunk to do anything other than refresh this forum.
Edit: can anyone recommend a good forum (non NFL)? TT and Youtube are basically the only reasons I use the internet.
Well I guess it looks like the McNair's just sh!t in Cak/The Matrix/Texansballer's Cherrios this morning.
Edit: I guess we can add Scooter to that list. LOL this is funny sh!t. # Thanks for the LOL's.
I guess we have a pretty good guess who the McNair's hold responsible for the current state of the roster. The true tell will be how much power will Ricky have if/when he returns.
Scooter
Funky
Congrats. Mediocre, Mediocre, Weak, Fail. All that matters is that Smith is gone though, he was the one removing talent and adding Patriot stars like Hoyer and Mallett, and Smith coached the isht out of Savage.
Man, writers/posters etc have to watch every word around you. Shots fired = telling the truth as BOB sees it in this case.
Agreed about ST's. 2 guys that I hope are available in the 6th rd are Shaqeem Griffin and Trey Quinn. Those 2 guys would really help the ST's. If you get lucky you also find a SS/nickel LB and a PR/slot WR withthose guys. Either way the ST's would be vastly improved.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Pretty much hints at what I said in another post in 1 of these threads...dude just wants some clarity on how they're doing things.
We shall see,
BTW, Myers/Wade Smith/Walter ere all over the hill and needed to be let go.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Don’t we still need an offensive coordinator? Why are we letting the Browns interview one of our coaches for that position? Especially one that did a good job with Watson, our new franchise rookie record setting franchise QB?
Is OB just letting Sean set the price and come back and sign?
Is OB just letting Sean set the price and come back and sign?
If Gaine is coming back why not Godsey too?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
ColeThornton
Waterboy
So the Texans swing and miss on a great opportunity to drain the swamp but at least get rid of the biggest gator. Look for them to sky rocket back to average next year and pat each other on the back for such a quick turnaround. Expect the second year wasted for a bright new star in Deshaun Watson with the quarterback "whisperer". We'll all be sitting here again a year from now criticizing and making excuses, while the Texans keep rolling along with 17 seasons under their belt with yet another season not going any further in the playoffs.