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2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
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Game 9...Here We Go Again...Los Angeles Rams!
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Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
I would have hope for an upset if anybody but Tom Savage were starting at quarterback. I just don't have a lot of faith in him to lead this team to a victory. Hopefully I'm wrong and I want to be wrong. But how much longer must I "try to believe" that Tom Savage is going to materialize into a decent pro quarterback?
Big Ben is a much better athlete and immeasurably tougher !
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I'm only going to hope that O'Brien pulls the wraps off a new gameplan angle for Savage that allows this team to put some points on the board while forcing the defense to win or lose the game. I'd be ok with this.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Even with Watson, your best hope at a victory here would have been 48-45 or something. This defense sucks. Watson was just putting up points like crazy. Now that he's no longer there to do that, the scores are going to be a lot more lopsided when you playa quality team (i.e., not the Colts).
Porky
Hall of Fame
Ummm ya. At this point, not being totally embarrassed against quality opponents is a bonus. Unfortunately, embarrassed is what will happen Sunday. 44-10 Rams.
I think next year could be a huge turnaround year for the Texans. That's the light at the end of the tunnel. If they get guys healthy, add a couple of stud key FA's, and draft well, I think they could easily win 11-12 next year. This isn't a multi-year rebuild. That's the only slight silver lining I can find. But the rest of this year I suspect will be virtually unwatchable.
I think next year could be a huge turnaround year for the Texans. That's the light at the end of the tunnel. If they get guys healthy, add a couple of stud key FA's, and draft well, I think they could easily win 11-12 next year. This isn't a multi-year rebuild. That's the only slight silver lining I can find. But the rest of this year I suspect will be virtually unwatchable.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
It's an ill wind that blows nobody good. One 70-0 loss is all it will take to get rid of OB, even though it will be mostly the fault of the FO.
thetexanator
Veteran
i hope we lose the rest of the games. i want to get a lt with the number one pick.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Yeah, I guess the Browns should start preparing for life after Joe Thomas.
eriadoc
Texan-American
What would you like the Browns to select with the Texans' #1 pick?
I want to see one Lombardi trophy in Houston in my lifetime.
With the McNair's owning the team that's unlikely.
Oh well, I never thought I would see the Astros win a World Series.
Go Astros 2017 World Series Champions, I just needed to type that to feel a little better.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Hervoyel
BUENO!
This is the kind of **** that happens when J.J. Watt is out for an extended period of time (2 years).
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
Not a single one of us thinks the Texans will win the game, but we can be happy we have the Astros, who are even better than we thought. And the Rockets are atop their division.
He needs to understand we have 11 players on the field when we have the ball. Expecting Tom Savage to win the game is just asinine. He needs to figure out how to get the running game going. How to set Lamar/D'Onta off. Get the defense thinking about off tackle runs as well as shutting down the A-gaps. Get them going left when we go right. Get the play action going. Run RB screens. Use the other 10 guys to help Savage instead of trying to get Savage to save the other 10.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Would Tom Savage be better off just throwing some deep bombs and routes to Hopkins and Fuller? Take a lot of chances in this game. The same conservative BS we typically see with him in the game isn't going to beat the Rams on the road. But if we make some big plays perhaps we can make a game of it.
I don't think our offensive line will be able to create any deep penetration in pass protection, so this has to be a quick five-step drop and just let it ride. Or perhaps some shotgun formations. I want to get away from the three-step drops and shorter passes. Bill O'Brien's offensive schemes with Tom Savage is just so predictable and boring. I see better offenses watching high school football. I'm tired of accepting loss after loss with Tom Savage at quarterback. We couldn't even beat the Colts at home. A team with a lousy defense.
I don't think our offensive line will be able to create any deep penetration in pass protection, so this has to be a quick five-step drop and just let it ride. Or perhaps some shotgun formations. I want to get away from the three-step drops and shorter passes. Bill O'Brien's offensive schemes with Tom Savage is just so predictable and boring. I see better offenses watching high school football. I'm tired of accepting loss after loss with Tom Savage at quarterback. We couldn't even beat the Colts at home. A team with a lousy defense.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
If we do what you're suggesting we're not going to score any points tomorrow. You're basically saying to play a conservative game while leaning heavily on the run game. That won't work on the road against the Rams. It seems easier if we just bench Savage and start T.J. Yates. I'd have signed Kaepernick as soon as Watson went down for the season. I do like the play-action passes but Tom Savage isn't very good at it. And all the while our weak offensive line is going to be exposed without a mobile quarterback.
The Rams are first in the league in scoring with a good balance between the run and pass. The Texans w/o Watson are not going high risk their way to beating many(ANY?) teams. While it IS everything, casual fans hate, the more probable way for a Texans victory is to play ugly boring football and hope the Rams offense is off (or the Texans defense thinks it is 2016). Asking a below average QB to throw deep bombs behind a below average OL is a recipe for sacks, turnovers and 44-10 Rams.
austins23
Hall of Fame
Might be this outcome anyway, no matter how the Texans play. This defense has given up some points, and the offense scoring 10 points is about the norm with Savage.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Arlington, I don't think the Texans will win tomorrow with Tom Savage playing quarterback. But I'd rather try to score a few Touchdowns as oppose to being walloped, 45-6 or 44-10 as you suggest.
We're going to lose every game left this season if we continue to start Tom Savage at quarterback (I understand that), but I'd rather see our offense make some big plays to at least remain competitive in some of these games.
We're going to lose every game left this season if we continue to start Tom Savage at quarterback (I understand that), but I'd rather see our offense make some big plays to at least remain competitive in some of these games.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Agreed. I have no confidence at all in Tom Savage and plus our defense isn't any good right now. Our offensive line isn't any good right now. So it's like why not go out there and be aggressive on offense? Pretend we're at the playground and just throw it deep! We have wideouts that can make some big plays. Let's roll the dice more than usual. If a deep pass is picked off then consider it like a long punt. We're at the point right now where it doesn't matter anymore. We're going to lose but let's at least lose by putting up a fight.
I fundamentally disagree that opening up the offense will yield touchdowns...just a recipe for bunches of mistakes and at best three and outs
. BTW, I am guessing the Texans win a couple of games just because it is the NFL and just as hard not to win at all as it is to win them all.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Agreed. I fully expect the Texans to win a few more games this season with somebody other than Tom Savage starting at quarterback. We may be able to win a few with T.J. Yates.
But if Savage continues to play I think we'll end up 3-13 and the Cleveland Browns will be more than pleased with our high first and second-round pick that they own. They could have two top three picks in the first and second round. Their own plus ours.
I hope Bill O'Brien isn't too stubborn that he sticks with Tom Savage just to prove some type of point. We understand that he was your guy and you drafted him, but if he isn't any good I don't want to see him on the field playing.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
The one thing I respect about Tom Savage: He doesn't make excuses and he holds himself accountable. It's hard not to cheer for the guy, but at some point you're either a capable pro quarterback or you're not. A guy like Tom Savage knows exactly what he has to do but he's just not good enough to do it. He's a future QB's coach, offensive coordinator or head coach.
You're basing this off of what 6 quarters of football spread over 4 years?
But this is the guy you want dropback and throw a bunch of deep balls...anyway, whether Savage is QB the Cards, 49ers and Colts again are all 50/50 type games...maybe not entertaining football, but games the Texans "should" or "could" win just by playing well versus the normal getting lucky chance.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Whatever happens tomorrow, just remember that this is the true legacy of the L.A. Rams.
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I can only say that this song may fulfill your wildest dreams, or you may be horrified.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
That song sux.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Yes sir. I can only judge by what I see on film. Tom Savage becomes an unrestricted free agent this upcoming off-season. I still don't know if the Texans should re-sign him or not. We may have that answer if he keeps playing every game left this season. I give him credit for finally staying healthy past one game. He also threw his first career Touchdown pass against the Colts. The type of aggressive play I want to see more out of him. We have talented wide receivers. Why not take more chances and go for the home run pass?
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
I think the Texans should be underdogs in every game left this season. I'll be really shocked if we win another game. I fully expect us to go 3-13. I think the Cardinals, 49ers (Jimmy G is playing by then) and Colts can all beat us. We already won our easiest game of the season against the Browns, and I'd argue it would have been close had Deshaun Watson not played in it.
I'd agree with you if our defense were any good. But with all the injuries and even suspension to Cushing, that's too much talent lost on defense from what I was expecting going into the season. Even our offensive line looks bad. Deshaun Watson masked how bad it was with his great athleticism and mobility.
But just curious, if we do go 3-13, would that get anybody fired? I think Bill O'Brien will be safe because of Watson's injury. And Rick Smith, well, you know Bob McNair loves him too much to fire him.
Sadly, we're not even tanking because the Browns have our first and second-round picks in the 2018 draft. Our guys will try their best to win every game. It will prove just how bad we really are when you can't even use tanking as an excuse or scapegoat.
I'm not suggesting a conservative game plan. I'm suggesting we get the run game working. If we can consistently get big plays out of Miller/Foreman, it will ease the pass rush on Tom Savage & he'll have the extra time he'll need to make plays from the pocket, including going deep.
If we don't get the run game going & we don't feature quick short passes, it will be a Rams sackfest with Savage trying to throw deep on every play.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
It pains me to say it but I don't really see a scapegoat for this season's woes.
They lost 3 of their best 5 players to injury before the halfway point. They lost a game because they didn't choose the right QB to start the season, but then, you can't really expect a rookie QB to be the players DW4 is right off the bat. I can't really be too hard on OB for the play calling issues because he's had to implement a very wild system to get the best out of DW4 and there will be teething problems with that. Plus we went to the wire in games they were huge underdogs for because of that system.
The DB issues I put on McNair, and its a truly sad thing to see sports having to be the face of issues that should be glaringly obvious anyway.
The real worry is where the future takes us. JJ, great guy and one of the best ever, but hes kinda become a distraction. They will rely on him again next season but the dude won't have been healthy for 3 1/2 years by that point and i dont put much faith in a miracle return to form.
Clowney scares the **** out of me that his contract is going to be a huge burdon and signed just before the point when doc reckons his knee is going to really begin to give out.
No high end draft capitol and a weak FA at the biggest areas of need. You know they'd be better selecting great developmental prospects with the plethora of mid round picks they have at their disposal but need is going to cause an itchy trigger.
The sensible thing to do is ride it out, hope DW can win enough games to be relevant next year and let the draft pick issues resolve themselves the year after.
What I see happening is JD resigning for mega bucks, signing best available FAs on the OL at a price well above their value, paying forward 2019 draft picks to move up in 18, and prolonging the agony.
The worst thing is that we're in a window for the next few years. Hop is in his prime, star QB on a rookie deal, a **** ton of cap space. A so-so season next year wouldn't be the end of the world if they draft right and spend wisely to make a run for it in 19.
As for this season were done completely and zero point tanking. With half the year left to play. Savage has looked horrible to me but maybe, just may be he gains a little confidence from a strong finish last week, something clicks, and they can trade him for a decent pick. That would be a boon in our time of need.
Jadmakaveli
Veteran
Have we ever gotten the run game going this year? I can’t remember at all.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The Texans rank 9th in rushing attempts, 5th in rushing yds..............but 26th in TDs. And from what I've seen, they still can't consistently gain shorter rushing yardage when critical..............this latter failure must be strongly shared by the OL.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Well AFN is going to air the Texans game tonight 2200 my time. The good thing, my wife and daughter will be in bed so I can really enjoy the game. They really enjoy their small talk during a game. Like I've said before, Bill should just stomp on the gas and run an uptempo, 2-minute offense for the entire game. The only time Savage seems to present some upside is under these circumstances. At this point, what is there to lose?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I wouldn't mind seeing that. But then you have to worry about our already pathetic getting worn down and looking D looking even more pathetic, if that is even possible.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Take Watson out of the equation, the 2nd leading rusher on the team, they're about 20th in yards and 22nd in yards per carry, and tied for 29th in rushing TDs.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
I don't think the losses recently are because of the team quitting on the coach or the owner. Injuries have played a much larger role in our struggles. We have some positives to take away from this season and if this team can keep key players healthy and adequately improve the secondary than I can see an improvement on our 9-7 seasons. Being what looks like an improved division, 9-7 could end up being the team in third place.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Poor OL play, which leads to even worse QB play (already poor), and poor safety play.
Scooter
Funky
I want to put a lot of the current safety play on Vrabel. I've caught myself noticing several times that our safeties are lined up in no man's land or stacked too close to another db, or voiding entire areas of the field. It seems as much poor design as often as it is poor performance.
Jadmakaveli
Veteran
Last week the only good thing I took away from the game was the WRs didn’t die because of Savage. Well he got will fuller knocked out the game this time around. Almost got Bruce knocked out the game also.
We have to get savage out the game before he hurts anyone else.
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We have to get savage out the game before he hurts anyone else.
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TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I’d have to really study it to come to that conclusion, which would be torture. The long pass to Woods was most definitely a player mistake. The safety was in the correct position until he decided to break on the sideline route. Joseph was playing outside and there is absolutely nothing he can do to defend that pass.