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The case of why Texas needs to let Strong walk to Miami

i've given it careful thought and consideration, and while
I am aware nothing develops overnight, Strong has not
in my opinion..done enough to bring in better classes of
players to the program, and his record since becoming
head coach has been less than stellar

I will say I like his discipline and his character certainly
no nonsense, but there is the balance of character and
discipline that also needs to win games and get them
into National championship contention

this has not happened and I'm feeling that Texas needs
to bring in someone...who can be the kind of hard nosed
coach that has the balance we are looking for ie Nick
Saban and so while I am sure everyone here is not a
fan favorite of rumor mills

I for one hope this rumor is true and we can finally
get back to the business at hand of winning national
titles - Hook em
 
TexasCowboy said:
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The case of why Texas needs to let Strong walk to Miami

i've given it careful thought and consideration, and while
I am aware nothing develops overnight, Strong has not
in my opinion..done enough to bring in better classes of
players to the program, and his record since becoming
head coach has been less than stellar

I will say I like his discipline and his character certainly
no nonsense, but there is the balance of character and
discipline that also needs to win games and get them
into National championship contention

this has not happened and I'm feeling that Texas needs
to bring in someone...who can be the kind of hard nosed
coach that has the balance we are looking for ie Nick
Saban and so while I am sure everyone here is not a
fan favorite of rumor mills

I for one hope this rumor is true and we can finally
get back to the business at hand of winning national
titles - Hook em
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Was that Hook er?

Yeah. That must have been it. It is tu of course.
 
Huge Texas fan here. Embarrassed to admit it. Not because the football team sucks, but because it's the worst fan base in the country in regards to entitlement.

Texas fans wanted this. They begged for it. They wanted the total opposite of Mack Brown. They wanted to get rid of the dead weight. They wanted a new culture.

Texas fans asked for a full rebuild. That takes four years. And then less than two years in they are bitching about it.

I'm not saying Strong is the guy. He is a very flawed head coach. I think he's capable of overcoming that. And regardless of whether he eventually does or not he deserves a reasonable amount of time to show if he's a success or a failure.

And anyone who complains about his recruiting doesn't know what they're doing. Texas is the only power five team that starts more true freshmen than sophomores and juniors combined. And nearly all of their current impact players were brought in by Strong.

He may end up a failure. But the fans deserve a failure due to their lack of patience and realistic expectations.
 
BigBull said:
Why would Jimbo Fisher want to take over the cluster f*** at Texas?
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It makes no sense. If it's about money it will be a wash. Sure, Texas has more but FSU has enough to keep him happy.

The end game is winning. And Fisher is obviously already at a destination job where he can consistently win at the highest level. Dude already has a title there. There's no good reason to leave that situation unless it's for the NFL.

The Saban stuff kills me too. Why in the world would he leave that for ANY other college job?
 
Mollywhopper said:
Also depends on if you read the stories chronologically ...
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chronologically doesn't necessarily make them true or false. Folks in Miami still likely believing what they believe and folks in Austin believing what they want to believe. My guess and IMHO is Strong is exploring his options and what doors may be open just in case things don't workout like they want or expect them to in Austin. I think it's safe to say with the uncertainty of the situation there is no given or guarantee from both sides of this equation.
 
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bah007 said:
Huge Texas fan here. Embarrassed to admit it. Not because the football team sucks, but because it's the worst fan base in the country in regards to entitlement.

Texas fans wanted this. They begged for it. They wanted the total opposite of Mack Brown. They wanted to get rid of the dead weight. They wanted a new culture.

Texas fans asked for a full rebuild. That takes four years. And then less than two years in they are bitching about it.

I'm not saying Strong is the guy. He is a very flawed head coach. I think he's capable of overcoming that. And regardless of whether he eventually does or not he deserves a reasonable amount of time to show if he's a success or a failure.

And anyone who complains about his recruiting doesn't know what they're doing. Texas is the only power five team that starts more true freshmen than sophomores and juniors combined. And nearly all of their current impact players were brought in by Strong.

He may end up a failure. But the fans deserve a failure due to their lack of patience and realistic expectations.
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I strongly disagree with you.

So what if the fans asked for the opposite of Mack Brown. What does that have to do with his inability to instruct an offense or a defense for that matter? They didn't ask for a shitty HC. They asked for one that would be effective, and wouldn't be the lush that Mack brown was. They had every right to feel that way.

Strong was not a bad hire. I don't fault the athletic department. Strong wasn't even their first choice. He was like their 3rd or 4th. They landed him, and he was still a hot name with a strong track record. IT hasn't worked out. It is one thing to see a guy still trying to get things together, but showing a lot of positive signs and improvement, but Strong is not. He is showing mediocrity while schools like Baylor and TCU are smashing teams and having success that no one thought they could sustain in multiple years. Strong hasn't shown had a great performance. He gets criticized and rightfully so.
 
bah007 said:
It makes no sense. If it's about money it will be a wash. Sure, Texas has more but FSU has enough to keep him happy.

The end game is winning. And Fisher is obviously already at a destination job where he can consistently win at the highest level. Dude already has a title there. There's no good reason to leave that situation unless it's for the NFL.

The Saban stuff kills me too. Why in the world would he leave that for ANY other college job?
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Because he's in the state of Alabama for one. For two, he appears to be the kind of guy that just likes a new challenge after while. He has nothing left to prove over there. He has already climbed the mountain several times there. Going to another place where he has to start from scratch and untangle a bad mess might be a nice change up that interests him. I'm not saying he is going to do that, but it wouldn't surprise me. I have a hard time seeing why anyone would want to hang around forever in a state like Alabama.
 
Texecutioner said:
Because he's in the state of Alabama for one. For two, he appears to be the kind of guy that just likes a new challenge after while. He has nothing left to prove over there. He has already climbed the mountain several times there. Going to another place where he has to start from scratch and untangle a bad mess might be a nice change up that interests him. I'm not saying he is going to do that, but it wouldn't surprise me. I have a hard time seeing why anyone would want to hang around forever in a state like Alabama.
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I don't know where Saban gets that reputation. He has only left jobs for clear upgrades. Nothing in his history suggests that he gets bored or anything.

One year at Toledo and then left to work for Belichick in Cleveland. Four years there and then he gets another head coaching offer. Five years at Michigan St and then LSU called. Five years there and then the NFL called. It didn't work out and he landed on his feet at Alabama. Been there eight years now.

At 64 I'm not sure he wants to jump in on a rebuild when he already has a good thing going. And while I agree with you about the state of Alabama, I'll just say that the view might be different when you have more power than the governor.
 
Texecutioner said:
I strongly disagree with you.

So what if the fans asked for the opposite of Mack Brown. What does that have to do with his inability to instruct an offense or a defense for that matter? They didn't ask for a shitty HC. They asked for one that would be effective, and wouldn't be the lush that Mack brown was. They had every right to feel that way.

Strong was not a bad hire. I don't fault the athletic department. Strong wasn't even their first choice. He was like their 3rd or 4th. They landed him, and he was still a hot name with a strong track record. IT hasn't worked out. It is one thing to see a guy still trying to get things together, but showing a lot of positive signs and improvement, but Strong is not. He is showing mediocrity while schools like Baylor and TCU are smashing teams and having success that no one thought they could sustain in multiple years. Strong hasn't shown had a great performance. He gets criticized and rightfully so.
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Strong actually tried to hire Tom Herman as his OC but Herman turned him down. Felt like he was in a good spot at Ohio St and would be getting HC offers soon. Smart by him. He was right. Strong then tried to hire Chad Morris away from Clemson but the Texas Athletic Director refused to pay the buyout. So Strong brought his OC from Louisville. Strong was able to get the OL coach from Oklahoma St, who was widely considered to be one of the best in the business. But the Texas Athletic Director refused to pay his buyout after initially saying that he would, and forced Strong to name Wickline the OC (because the upgrade from OL to OC would void the clause) even though Watson would be calling the plays. Now Wickline is being sued by OSU for breach of contract and Texas is letting it go to court instead of just supporting him and paying the damn buyout.

Funny how the big selling point about Texas is how much money they have, but they won't open the checkbook for things that matter.

No wonder the offense has been a mess. The defense was actually the top defense in the conference last year.

I'm not saying that criticism is unfair. Strong definitely deserves criticism. He waited too long to replace Watson and will probably have to hire a new OC again this offseason.

But the fans wanted a full rebuild and they wanted the entitled country club atmosphere gone. Strong did that. The result of that is that a lot of upperclassmen transferred away, leaving a roster full of young players with no experience.

People want to point at recruiting rankings and say that Strong is doing a poor job, but the freshmen he has brought in have actually turned out to be the best players on the team. If he can develop those guys then Texas can have a really good team in two or three years.

If Texas fans aren't happy waiting four years for results then they shouldn't have backed the hire of a coach who was going to perform a full rebuild.

All I'm saying is this: Give Strong four years. If he's a failure after four years then you fire him. If he's a success you keep him. Besides, if you fire him this early in then it's going to be really hard to get a new staff in there, especially with all the stuff that's been going on in the athletic department the last two years already. Steve Patterson made a huge mess during his time there.
 
bah007 said:
I don't know where Saban gets that reputation. He has only left jobs for clear upgrades. Nothing in his history suggests that he gets bored or anything.

One year at Toledo and then left to work for Belichick in Cleveland. Four years there and then he gets another head coaching offer. Five years at Michigan St and then LSU called. Five years there and then the NFL called. It didn't work out and he landed on his feet at Alabama. Been there eight years now.

At 64 I'm not sure he wants to jump in on a rebuild when he already has a good thing going. And while I agree with you about the state of Alabama, I'll just say that the view might be different when you have more power than the governor.
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He's even said himself that if he had landed Drew Brees in Miami he'd likely be there to this day.
 
The Strong-Texas era is reminding me of the Rodriguez-Michigan era. The program and fans wanted a drastic change in culture and they got it. Then they decided halfway through that they didn't actually want the change in culture, they just wanted the end result (success) that comes with it. They don't want to walk the hard road to success, they just want to skip ahead to the payoff at the end.
 
bah007 said:
Funny how the big selling point about Texas is how much money they have, but they won't open the checkbook for things that matter.
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A chief reason why Patterson is gone.

IMHO I think Strong's future lies in these last two games. If Texas gets blown out (20 Points) in each game and no bowl game, BIG $ boosters may say it's time for Charlie to go.

The fact that Strong couldn't get the support he wanted/needed from the AD may be a reason why he could have feelers out. Patterson's quick exit could turnout to be a life line for both sides. Regardless it should prove for an interesting off season one way or another.
 
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Texecutioner said:
Because he's in the state of Alabama for one. For two, he appears to be the kind of guy that just likes a new challenge after while. He has nothing left to prove over there. He has already climbed the mountain several times there. Going to another place where he has to start from scratch and untangle a bad mess might be a nice change up that interests him. I'm not saying he is going to do that, but it wouldn't surprise me. I have a hard time seeing why anyone would want to hang around forever in a state like Alabama.
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I see you don't like the salt of the earth. I suppose you like the HOLLYcenogenic WOO(rl)D of HOLLYWOOD types.
 
I loved the Strong hire and love it today. Culture doesnt change overnight. I think he is headed in the right direction. #hookem
 
TexasCowboy said:
Not holding my breath my guess is he is more than likely staying unless someone
they truly want is available
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My guess is Strong gets/wants to stay at least another year. Apparently the fired AD would not appropriate the money to hire assistants Strong originally wanted when Strong was first hired. Another guess is if Patterson (fired AD) had been allowed to stay on, Strong may have left. So I'm seeing it now, as a start over from square one, now that Charlie can hire the staff he wanted from the get go. However if Jimbo Fisher picks up the phone and says I want to be the Longhorns Head Coach, Charlie is gone. For now Jimbo says, all is well in Tallahassee.
 
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Strong is making a move to hire Sonny Cumbie away from TCU. He's their QB Coach/Co-Offensive Coordinator.

If Cumbie agrees to come he will be the OC and Strong has told him that the offense is 100% his. The only offensive coach on the staff that Strong has made untouchable is TE/ST coach Jeff Traylor, who Strong just hired this past offseason. Cumbie will get to interview all the other assistants on staff and decide if they get to stay or not. And if he decides to go another direction he gets the final word on their replacement.

It's a good gig for Cumbie if he wants it. And it's also a good sign that Strong sees his limitations on offense and is willing to trust someone else and turn over control to them.
 
bah007 said:
Strong is making a move to hire Sonny Cumbie away from TCU. He's their QB Coach/Co-Offensive Coordinator.

If Cumbie agrees to come he will be the OC and Strong has told him that the offense is 100% his. The only offensive coach on the staff that Strong has made untouchable is TE/ST coach Jeff Traylor, who Strong just hired this past offseason. Cumbie will get to interview all the other assistants on staff and decide if they get to stay or not. And if he decides to go another direction he gets the final word on their replacement.

It's a good gig for Cumbie if he wants it. And it's also a good sign that Strong sees his limitations on offense and is willing to trust someone else and turn over control to them.
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What's your take on Cumbie?
 
Playoffs said:
What's your take on Cumbie?
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He doesn't really have a big resume at all so it's hard to say. But two things stand out for me.

Leach's coaching tree has exploded in recent years and all of those guys have been a success wherever they've gone. Also, Cumbie is the one on TCU's staff being credited with taking Boykin from WR to Heisman candidate QB.

He's never called plays before so the move would be a risk. But I happen to believe that play calling is the easiest part of being an OC. The tough part is the implementation of your philosophy and the ability to coach your scheme. His background suggests that he'll do just fine with that.

I would approve of the hire.
 
Not surprised. Cumbie is in a solid situation at TCU under a coach, Gary Patterson, who isn't going anywhere. He will have time to build his resume under the umbrella of success. Making the jump to Texas, to coach under a guy who is basically already on the chopping block, would have been a huge risk.
 
WolverineFan said:
Not surprised. Cumbie is in a solid situation at TCU under a coach, Gary Patterson, who isn't going anywhere. He will have time to build his resume under the umbrella of success. Making the jump to Texas, to coach under a guy who is basically already on the chopping block, would have been a huge risk.
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Agreed. I was hoping that the chance to be the sole OC would land him at Texas, but he will continue to be just fine at TCU.

Maybe if the athletic department and fans actually supported Strong they would actually be able to get the coaches in there that he wants. But so far that hasn't happened since the day he was hired.

His second choice is supposedly Sterlin Gilbert, the Co-OC at Tulsa, who is well-versed in the Baylor system, having been an assistant to Art Briles and Dino Babers.
 
bah007 said:
Agreed. I was hoping that the chance to be the sole OC would land him at Texas, but he will continue to be just fine at TCU.

Maybe if the athletic department and fans actually supported Strong they would actually be able to get the coaches in there that he wants. But so far that hasn't happened since the day he was hired.

His second choice is supposedly Sterlin Gilbert, the Co-OC at Tulsa, who is well-versed in the Baylor system, having been an assistant to Art Briles and Dino Babers.
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He's doomed to failure at UT. Reminds me of the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan. Great coach, great resume, but the admin and majority of the fan base was against him after one year and sabotaged the rest of his tenure.
 
WolverineFan said:
Not surprised. Cumbie is in a solid situation at TCU under a coach, Gary Patterson, who isn't going anywhere. He will have time to build his resume under the umbrella of success. Making the jump to Texas, to coach under a guy who is basically already on the chopping block, would have been a huge risk.
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I'm hearing now that the other TCU Co-OC, Doug Meacham, will soon be named the new HC at Tulane. So Cumbie will now get a promotion and a raise to stay at TCU, plus sole play calling duties, which was Texas' main pitch to him.
 
Chuck Carlton ‏@ChuckCarltonDMN 20s20 seconds ago

Things may have changed dramatically in Texas OC search. @HamiltonESPN and @NathanDThompson reporting Sterlin Gilbert has turned down job.

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Chuck Carlton ‏@ChuckCarltonDMN 1m1 minute ago
Chuck Carlton Retweeted David Smoak

There you go from the Tulsa head coach on Sterlin Gilbert.

Chuck Carlton added,


David Smoak @DavidSmoak
I just asked Philip Montgomery about Sterlin Gilbert changing his mind on UT, "yes sir, a big win for us, now we need to get to practice."
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This is kind of a WOW. Is it just me or does anyone else think that Texas going after B actors for OC and getting turned down twice is not a good thing. Is it to late to put a call into to Jimbo?
 
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Strong is being done wrong. Granted, the guy has had issues on the field, but these are admin issues right now. Seems like the admin pledged support behind him publicly, but behind the scenes they are actively sabotaging him.

They should have just fired him and moved on. Instead they want to burn the house down and pin it on him. Despicable.
 
Texian said:
Chuck Carlton ‏@ChuckCarltonDMN 20s20 seconds ago

Things may have changed dramatically in Texas OC search. @HamiltonESPN and @NathanDThompson reporting Sterlin Gilbert has turned down job.

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Chuck Carlton ‏@ChuckCarltonDMN 1m1 minute ago
Chuck Carlton Retweeted David Smoak

There you go from the Tulsa head coach on Sterlin Gilbert.

Chuck Carlton added,


David Smoak @DavidSmoak
I just asked Philip Montgomery about Sterlin Gilbert changing his mind on UT, "yes sir, a big win for us, now we need to get to practice."
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This is kind of a WOW. Is it just me or does anyone else think that Texas going after B actors for OC and getting turned down twice is not a good thing. Is it to late to put a call into to Jimbo?
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I wouldn't call them B acters. (I think changing the o to e makes it gender neutral)

But seeing t u having difficulty brings a smile to my face. The Peoples Republic of Austin may be crying, but I'm not.
 
WolverineFan said:
Strong is being done wrong. Granted, the guy has had issues on the field, but these are admin issues right now. Seems like the admin pledged support behind him publicly, but behind the scenes they are actively sabotaging him.

They should have just fired him and moved on. Instead they want to burn the house down and pin it on him. Despicable.
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This is exactly what is going on. The big money donors at Texas never wanted Strong and have never supported him. They were forced to accept the hire because it was made by a brand new Athletic Director that they vouched for.

But the boosters have been scrambling to get away from Strong since day one, before he even coached a game. And make no mistake, the boosters at Texas make the decisions.

This is now the fourth assistant coaching hire that the athletic department has botched since Strong came on board, and evidence is starting to mount that it is an intentional effort to insure that Texas does not improve next season and the administration can justify firing Strong.

They would fire him now but the richest athletic department in the country is too cheap to pay his buyout until it drops next year.
 
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Marshall said:
I wouldn't call them B acters. (I think changing the o to e makes it gender neutral)

But seeing t u having difficulty brings a smile to my face. The Peoples Republic of Austin may be crying, but I'm not.
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karma's a *****
 
JB said:
Wow! What has happened to UT recruiting? This will spell the doom of Strong if he doesn't get it turned around

http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/classrankings


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Firing a coach over his recruiting ranking does seem like something the Texas fan base would cheer for.

Fortunately for Strong, commitments don't mean anything until the day they sign. And Texas looks like they're gonna close a lot of them down the stretch.

There's a chance Texas even finishes with a better recruiting ranking than A&M. I find that ironic since that is what Sumlin hangs his hat on.
 
bah007 said:
There's a chance Texas even finishes with a better recruiting ranking than A&M. I find that ironic since that is what Sumlin hangs his hat on.
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Losing two 5 Star QBs because they wanted out may have done enough damage to TAM recruiting that Sumlin's lofty perch may be no more. Sumlin's perennial Top 10 recruiting class may be a thing of the past.
 
bah007 said:
Firing a coach over his recruiting ranking does seem like something the Texas fan base would cheer for.

Fortunately for Strong, commitments don't mean anything until the day they sign. And Texas looks like they're gonna close a lot of them down the stretch.

There's a chance Texas even finishes with a better recruiting ranking than A&M. I find that ironic since that is what Sumlin hangs his hat on.
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I'm certainly not calling for his firing, but if he can't recruit better than the other schools in the state I don't see how he can put a winning team on the field. Something that UT fans have come to expect is a top ten recruiting class. I have no idea how they will finish but seems like they are quite a bit back right now, and isn't signing day soon? BTW, I'm no big fan of UT...
 
Texian said:
Losing two 5 Star QBs because they wanted out may have done enough damage to TAM recruiting that Sumlin's lofty perch may be no more. Sumlin's perennial Top 10 recruiting class may be a thing of the past.
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Sumlin's flash over substance style was bound to fail eventually. These kids need a coach, not a buddy.
 
JB said:
I'm certainly not calling for his firing, but if he can't recruit better than the other schools in the state I don't see how he can put a winning team on the field. Something that UT fans have come to expect is a top ten recruiting class. I have no idea how they will finish but seems like they are quite a bit back right now, and isn't signing day soon? BTW, I'm no big fan of UT...
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I only commented because I am a big UT fan and I occasionally peruse the UT websites. This is a big talking point among the people who want Strong fired.

Strong's strength so far since getting hired has been his recruiting. Texas just had 3 players on the 1st team Freshman All American team.

People place an odd importance on recruiting rankings. Suffice it to say, I think very little of them.

Grading a recruiting class on signing day is like grading a draft class the day after the NFL draft, except with even less information about each player.
 
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