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thunderkyss said:
What? Why might this be the best overall group of WRs we've ever had?

Is it because Cecil Shorts & Nate Washington effectively replaces Andre Johnson?

We've had Andre & DeAndre for the last two years, gonna be hard to beat that with the group we've got.... vets that never was & rookies with questionable "potential."
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We had AJ, Hopkins and who? I said group overall not best player overall.
 
infantrycak said:
That may be fair.

Hope to be proven wrong but right now I think we have a bunch of 2's and 3's and no #1.
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Nuk had a 76/1200/6 season with a 60% catch rate as a second year #2 with four different QB's. He was #12 in receiving yards on the season and was #2 in YPC among the 24 players who had 1,000+ receiving yards. He was #13 in First Down production and #8 in 20+ Yards receptions. All while AJ had almost 150 targets.

I will agree that the rest of the WR corps could be boom or bust at this point. But what exactly are you analyzing that says Nuk won't have a more productive year with a better QB and more targets?
 
JB said:
We had AJ, Hopkins and who? I said group overall not best player overall.
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Right. Just like we had the best/second best WR group in our division in 2014, when we had Andre & DeAndre, & the Jags had Shorts & a bunch of nobodies & the Titans had Washington & a bunch of nobodies... Last year's group of Andre & DeAndre is better than this year's group of DeAndre & no Andre. Shorts, Washington, Strong, Mumphrey... they don't replace Andre right now, on paper. & I'm doubtful that they will.
 
sandman said:
Nuk had a 76/1200/6 season with a 60% catch rate as a second year #2 with four different QB's. He was #12 in receiving yards on the season and was #2 in YPC among the 24 players who had 1,000+ receiving yards. He was #13 in First Down production and #8 in 20+ Yards receptions. All while AJ had almost 150 targets.

I will agree that the rest of the WR corps could be boom or bust at this point. But what exactly are you analyzing that says Nuk won't have a more productive year with a better QB and more targets?
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The "Better QB" is pure speculation at this point, but Nuk not having a true #1 across from him to take the heat isn't.
 
JB said:
I agree we don't have a #1 in the mold of AJ, but the overall group is better than we've had before. Hopkins is a very good #2 and Washington and Shorts are solid. We may get surprised by rookies but I'm not counting on it. I never said they would set the league on fire, but we've never had a group that would warm up the league other than AJ and a bunch of no bodies until we got Hopkins
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I don't buy it.
You're trying to sell Shorts + Washington + Hopkins > A.J. + Hopkins + whoever?
I ain't buying that until I see some proof.
And yeah, I left the rooks out because, at the moment, they are totally unknown quantities.
 
sandman said:
Nuk had a 76/1200/6 season with a 60% catch rate as a second year #2 with four different QB's. He was #12 in receiving yards on the season and was #2 in YPC among the 24 players who had 1,000+ receiving yards. He was #13 in First Down production and #8 in 20+ Yards receptions. All while AJ had almost 150 targets.

I will agree that the rest of the WR corps could be boom or bust at this point. But what exactly are you analyzing that says Nuk won't have a more productive year with a better QB and more targets?
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I like Hopkins but I just don't see #1. He's really good but not impose his will good. And he's yet to see #1 coverage. As much as some folks want to look purely at yardage last year and declare him #1, he wasn't.

I'm really not dogging Hopkins.
 
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Saints are a bunch of wimps.
 
Playoffs said:
Jaelen Strong, hamstring injury yesterday.
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Not that it matters with the hamstring, but Strong is required to be at the NFLPA "Rookie Premiere" May 28-31 along with 40+ other rookies who will be missing OTAs for photo and marketing ops in Los Angeles.

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ObsiWan said:
I don't buy it.
You're trying to sell Shorts + Washington + Hopkins > A.J. + Hopkins + whoever?
I ain't buying that until I see some proof.
And yeah, I left the rooks out because, at the moment, they are totally unknown quantities.
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Not what I'm selling at all. AJ is gone and nothing to be done about that. What I am saying is top to bottom this group of wr's has a chance to be better than what we've had. Cuz yeah, the 3rd, 4th and 5th wr do make a difference. We are much weaker at #1 even tho he was used as a rb mostly, but overall it's a stronger group
 
JB said:
I agree we don't have a #1 in the mold of AJ, but the overall group is better than we've had before. Hopkins is a very good #2 and Washington and Shorts are solid. We may get surprised by rookies but I'm not counting on it. I never said they would set the league on fire, but we've never had a group that would warm up the league other than AJ and a bunch of no bodies until we got Hopkins
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I think it's as simple as this offense not requiring a WR1. The scheme, when it has the right players and is run correctly, emphasizes the slot WR and the TEs.

I don't think we have a WR1, and I don't think the coaching staff wants or needs one to run this offense.

Also in reference to earlier posts (not yours) about Nate Washington's speed, doesn't he have at least one 70+ yard td in 3 out of the past four seasons? Might even be four of the past five seasons.
 
Other than the Moss era, the Patriots never really have a true number 1.

Now, if we could just find a Brady we'll be set
 
What is meant by #1 WR? It isn't an actual position. When it is said that we don't have one, I am assuming it is reference to a game breaker. We haven't had one of those the past two years either. I am not sure what you think Hopkins can't do that AJ did in 2013-14.
 
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dalemurphy said:
What is meant by #1 WR? It isn't an actual position. When it is said that we don't have one, I am assuming it is reference to a game breaker. We haven't had one of those the past two years either. I am not sure what you think Hopkins can't do that AJ did the in 2013-14.
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And this is how I know the draft is more important to you than watching football.
 
I would like to see Su'a fila concentrating on LG and Jones, Brick and Manz at center. That 7 ---- 5 guy needs "wide load" on his jersey.
 
badboy said:
I would like to see Su'a fila concentrating on LG and Jones, Brick and Manz at center. That 7 ---- 5 guy needs "wide load" on his jersey.
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It is interesting that they are working Su'a at center after acknowledging that moving him around last season was a mistake.
 
dalemurphy said:
Huh?
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If you can't tell the difference between AJ and Hopkins then the game's already over. Hopkins is a maybe has the words pro bowl spoken in connection with him one year as like 6th alternate kind of guy. AJ will be in the HOF. That you can't see the difference tells me all I need to know.
 
infantrycak said:
If you can't tell the difference between AJ and Hopkins then the game's already over. Hopkins is a maybe has the words pro bowl spoken in connection with him one year as like 6th alternate kind of guy. AJ will be in the HOF. That you can't see the difference tells me all I need to know.
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Jerry Rice is also a HOFer, but I will take Hopkins over Rice in 2015. I am not sure what the greatness of AJ in 2004-2011 has to do with my comparison of Hopkins and AJ's abilities in 2014.
 
dalemurphy said:
Jerry Rice is also a HOFer, but I will take Hopkins over Rice in 2015. I am not sure what the greatness of AJ in 2004-2011 has to do with my comparison of Hopkins and AJ's abilities in 2014.
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AJ had 1598 yds in 2012 which you apparently consider past his prime. You're freaking blind. Everyone in the world knew Schaub to AJ and couldn't stop it. Joe Haden and the other top corners still talked about the coverage they were rolling his way last year with freaking Fitz at QB. Hopkins is a jump-balling #2. The day he goes toe to toe with Calvin Johnson...see that sentence doesn't even work at all.
 
infantrycak said:
AJ had 1598 yds in 2012 which you apparently consider past his prime. You're freaking blind. Everyone in the world knew Schaub to AJ and couldn't stop it. Joe Haden and the other top corners still talked about the coverage they were rolling his way last year with freaking Fitz at QB. Hopkins is a jump-balling #2. The day he goes toe to toe with Calvin Johnson...see that sentence doesn't even work at all.
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Loyal to a fault...
 
infantrycak said:
AJ had 1598 yds in 2012 which you apparently consider past his prime. You're freaking blind. Everyone in the world knew Schaub to AJ and couldn't stop it. Joe Haden and the other top corners still talked about the coverage they were rolling his way last year with freaking Fitz at QB. Hopkins is a jump-balling #2. The day he goes toe to toe with Calvin Johnson...see that sentence doesn't even work at all.
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What does Calvin Johnson have to do with anything? Again, i simply suggested that 2015 Hopkins has all the abilities of 2013-14 AJ... Responding to another poster's suggestion that we no longer have a #1 wr and supporting another poster's suggestion that this year's WR group could be the team's best.
 
dalemurphy said:
What does Calvin Johnson have to do with anything? Again, i simply suggested that 2015 Hopkins has all the abilities of 2013-14 AJ... Responding to another poster's suggestion that we no longer have a #1 wr and supporting another poster's suggestion that this year's WR group could be the team's best.
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No Hopkins does not. It's not even close. AJ is a dominant player. Hopkins is a #2, an afterthought, a guy that is open because there is someone on the field that is a #1.

Really, you don't understand the CJ question? That says everything I need to know. The 2 most dominant WRs in football battled on one day and you have no clue? Got it.
 
infantrycak said:
No Hopkins does not. It's not even close. AJ is a dominant player. Hopkins is a #2, an afterthought, a guy that is open because there is someone on the field that is a #1.

Really, you don't understand the CJ question? That says everything I need to know. The 2 most dominant WRs in football battled on one day and you have no clue? Got it.
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You can continue to change the argument and throw silly insults if you would like. It is intellectually dishonest and a waste of time.
 
dalemurphy said:
You can continue to change the argument and throw silly insults if you would like. It is intellectually dishonest and a waste of time.
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Pony up. Show where I changed an argument. Hopkins is not a #1. Said that from day and post one. You draft geeks think yards are all equivalent. They aren't. AJ is a dominant player. Hopkins is not. Hopkins will be lucky if he ever gets to a probowl. This is a joke that you consider the two anything close.

Did you actually watch the coverage AJ got last year or just the mock drafts?
 
You honestly believe that all of what Hopkins has showed so far amounts to a grand total of decent?

EDIT: Guess I should have quoted your post before you deleted it. Ah well.
 
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Mollywhopper said:
You honestly believe that all of what Hopkins has showed so far amounts to a grand total of decent?
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Yes.

We can haggle over terminology. Hopkins is above average. He's not great. I call that decent. He's right on the cusp of probowl, just below. How would you describe him?

Nobody is sticking a post it note in their locker that this week they are facing Hopkins.
 
To be fair, no one knows how Hopkins will fare with no AJ across from him commanding double teams. If he consistently commands the double teams and the attention of the defense then he is a #1. If not then we flood the field and hope someone gets open. It's too early to say he can't be a #1 tho in my opinion
 
infantrycak said:
Pony up. Show where I changed an argument. Hopkins is not a #1. Said that from day and post one. You draft geeks think yards are all equivalent. They aren't. AJ is a dominant player. Hopkins is not. Hopkins will be lucky if he ever gets to a probowl. This is a joke that you consider the two anything close.

Did you actually watch the coverage AJ got last year or just the mock drafts?
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You are arguing that Nuk isn't AJ. That's a strawman because AJ is at the end of a HoF career and Nuk is entering his 3rd season. I never said Nuk was AJ. But what you are arguing is that AJ is the baseline #1 to judge all other Texans receivers and he is a Top 5 All-Time. No one will ever measure up. And because you have set AJ up as your benchmark, you get personally insulted and start throwing out ad hominem attacks when someone dares to suggest that Nuk can be a #1. As if admitting that somehow tears down AJ's legacy or accomplishments. Just chill dude.
 
JB said:
To be fair, no one knows how Hopkins will fare with no AJ across from him commanding double teams. If he consistently commands the double teams and the attention of the defense then he is a #1. If not then we flood the field and hope someone gets open. It's too early to say he can't be a #1 tho in my opinion
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You're right. Who knows, could happen and I certainly hope it does. I just don't see it in him. I hope I'm wrong.

I think some Texans' fans don't realize what they've had. We are on our second HOFer. People are going to miss the 1st.
 
infantrycak said:
Yes.

We can haggle over terminology. Hopkins is above average. He's not great. I call that decent. He's right on the cusp of probowl, just below. How would you describe him?

Nobody is sticking a post it note in their locker that this week they are facing Hopkins.
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I agree that it can become semantical. Just seemed like decent came off a bit harsh for what the kid's done so far. I'd say he's been quite good.

I have no doubt in my mind that he will never be what AJ was. But for crying out loud, who will? Given a chance to be more 'the guy' I think he'll do well. He won't have a legendary player drawing coverage, but I like what OB has done to elevate the talent throughout the WR corps to effectively make it harder to just blanket just him, allowing him to continue to produce, and perhaps shine.
 
sandman said:
You are arguing that Nuk isn't AJ. That's a strawman because AJ is at the end of a HoF career and Nuk is entering his 3rd season. I never said Nuk was AJ. But what you are arguing is that AJ is the baseline #1 to judge all other Texans receivers and he is a Top 5 All-Time. No one will ever measure up. And because you have set AJ up as your benchmark, you get personally insulted and start throwing out ad hominem attacks when someone dares to suggest that Nuk can be a #1. As if admitting that somehow tears down AJ's legacy or accomplishments. Just chill dude.
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No, you lack history and there is no strawman. Dale is a draftnik. He acts as if everyone is fungible and they aren't. "Oooh, pick up a WR in the 8th and they'll be the new CJ, AJ." No I do not expect to replace AJ with anyone the same, but what I am pointing out is we've had something special. We aren't going to plug and play with discards who couldn't make it as 2's and 3's from other teams. Plan on a drop. Plan on more coverage for Hopkins.
 
dalemurphy said:
Again, i simply suggested that 2015 Hopkins has all the abilities of 2013-14 AJ... Responding to another poster's suggestion that we no longer have a #1 wr and supporting another poster's suggestion that this year's WR group could be the team's best.
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Let's see if Hopkins can put up big numbers now that our only other "threats" at WR are Williams and Shorts.
Do those names command the respect -even at 30-something - that Andre Johnson does?
 
infantrycak said:
No, you lack history and there is no strawman. Dale is a draftnik. He acts as if everyone is fungible and they aren't. "Oooh, pick up a WR in the 8th and they'll be the new CJ, AJ." No I do not expect to replace AJ with anyone the same, but what I am pointing out is we've had something special. We aren't going to plug and play with discards who couldn't make it as 2's and 3's from other teams. Plan on a drop. Plan on more coverage for Hopkins.
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I have never been accused of being a draftnik... I have no idea where that comes from.

AJ was special. He isnt anymore, though.
 
ObsiWan said:
Let's see if Hopkins can put up big numbers now that our only other "threats" at WR are Williams and Shorts.
Do those names command the respect -even at 30-something - that Andre Johnson does?
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There's no Williams. It's Washington. And that says all you need to know.
 
sandman said:
You are arguing that Nuk isn't AJ. That's a strawman because AJ is at the end of a HoF career and Nuk is entering his 3rd season. I never said Nuk was AJ. But what you are arguing is that AJ is the baseline #1 to judge all other Texans receivers and he is a Top 5 All-Time. No one will ever measure up. And because you have set AJ up as your benchmark, you get personally insulted and start throwing out ad hominem attacks when someone dares to suggest that Nuk can be a #1. As if admitting that somehow tears down AJ's legacy or accomplishments. Just chill dude.
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A rational response will not be forthcoming. Heroes never die or grow worse. They live forever at peak performance.
 
infantrycak said:
No, you lack history and there is no strawman. Dale is a draftnik. He acts as if everyone is fungible and they aren't. "Oooh, pick up a WR in the 8th and they'll be the new CJ, AJ." No I do not expect to replace AJ with anyone the same, but what I am pointing out is we've had something special. We aren't going to plug and play with discards who couldn't make it as 2's and 3's from other teams. Plan on a drop. Plan on more coverage for Hopkins.
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Lol

You're killing me, man!

Did your motorcycle get lost in the flood?
 
infantrycak said:
If you can't tell the difference between AJ and Hopkins then the game's already over. Hopkins is a maybe has the words pro bowl spoken in connection with him one year as like 6th alternate kind of guy. AJ will be in the HOF. That you can't see the difference tells me all I need to know.
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1. AJ is in Indy
2. AJ went to Indy after being told his touches would be reduced.

Obviously, OB isn't interested in (QB) throwing every pass to AJ, he wants to spread it around.....thus the depth. We can't go back now, so I'll be watching for options with reality.
 
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