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Selection 1.16, Kevin Johnson, CB Wake Forest

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frethack said:
There are different draft philosophies. I respect your opinion but after getting burned by TY I'm good with taking a solid, talented corner that can play inside and outside. The kid is a technician.
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Hilton got shut down in game 2 with what we have now.
 
Brandon420tx said:
Alot of people are angry about this pick because they don't see how it helps this team THIS year.

I like this pick because I can see how we'll benefit in the years going forward. The more I research this kid the more I like him. I think he can be a great #2 then #1 with KJ after 2 seasons.

Everyone remember those years the Steelers seemed to always have amazing OLBs? It wasn't a miracle, they continually kept drafting OLBs despite their strength at the position
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A while back I saw a mock w KJ coming to us. I was all hell naw, who is this clown?!? The more I read and the more video I saw, the more I liked the pick. I hinted at that when I saw the pick before it was formally announced. A killer front 7 can make an average secondary look great. Looks like we're aiming for a killer defense overall.
 
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Kevin Johnson said he only spoke to #Texans at NFL Combine, in both an informal and formal interview there. Hadn't had any contact since.
 
PapaL said:
A while back I saw a mock w KJ coming to us. I was all hell naw, who is this clown?!? The more I read and the more video I saw, the more I liked the pick. I hinted at that when I saw the pick before it was formally announced. A killer front 7 can make an average secondary look great. Looks like we're aiming for a killer defense overall.
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We've got a killer d line with Wilfork and Watt, just don't have any damn linebackers worth a crap.
 
With some of the suggestions that with his lanky physique he would be expected to bulk up for the NFL, one would have to wonder how much of the traits that made him attractive to the Texans may be adversely affected by the gain.
 
bah007 said:
Good pick. Great coverage ability. Checks all the boxes: production, clean character, no injury history, great athleticism.

All substance with little flash. Fans will hate it but he'll be a good player for us.
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^This. Was in our sights all along. Had to have a guy to replace JJo, and Johnson will become a good #1. I joked a while back about having two KJs. :fingergun:
 
TheIronDuke said:
Morris and Bouye looked good this year and we have Hal in the wings. Have dick at SAM besides Simon.
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Morris and Bouye looked good covering #3 and #4 WRs. That doesn't mean that they can step in and start when Joseph is gone. Andre Hal was a 7th round flyer who has exceeded expectations in minimal playing time.

Quick note, Morris and Hal are smaller than "matchstick" Johnson and Bouye is the same size.

SAM is an easier position to replace. The skill set required isn't as diverse as what you need from a starting CB.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
With some of the suggestions that with his lanky physique he would be expected to bulk up for the NFL, one would have to wonder how much of the traits that made him attractive to the Texans may be adversely affected by the gain.
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Yeah, I doubt they have him bulk up too much. I'd say 195 is max
 
Not sure where all the hate is coming from on this kid??

I guess some people forget that we play in a division with Andrew Luck who is slowly becoming one of the top QB's in the league and will be for the 10+ years. KJ is lock down. J-Jo isn't getting any younger and if you don't remember, you cant exactly draft a rookie and throw him to the wolves in his first year (remember Kareem Jackson??). This kid comes in, plays slot, learns how to be an NFL player and in 2 years slides in for Joseph.

The kid is a stud and you can never have enough high end CB talent.

No disrespect to Bouye, Hal, or any of the other dudes but they aren't starting CB's. They are nickel CB's at best.

OK. Im don't posting until the season starts.

Love you. Bye bye.
 
EllisUnit said:
Yeah but we have so much GOOD depth at CB right now as it is. Makes zero sense to me to make your first priority a CB. We have no LBs, no depth on the D-line, no depth at WR behind Nuk, besides Shorts who you can't trust to be healthy.
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This is why we drafted Kevin Johnson: Quickest CB in the draft. And it shows up on film. Here are how some of his numbers stack up against Jo Jo and K Jax from when they were drafted in the best measurables for quickness and explosion.


Jo Jo:

- 20 yd shuttle:4.23
- 3 cone drill: 6.92
- Broad jump: 10' 3"
- Vertical: 37"

K Jax:

- 20 yd shuttle: 4.14
- 3 cone drill: 6.92
- Broad jump: 9'10"
- Vertical: 37.5"

Kevin Johnson:

- 20 yd shuttle: 3.89
- 3 cone drill: 6.79
- Broad jump: 10'10"
- Vertical: 41.5"


Needless to say, Kevin Johnson has the quick twitch explosive style that our starters lack and that we need to match up against the TY Hilton and Julian Edelmans of the league.
 
bah007 said:
morris and bouye looked good covering #3 and #4 wrs. That doesn't mean that they can step in and start when joseph is gone. Andre hal was a 7th round flyer who has exceeded expectations in minimal playing time.

Quick note, morris and hal are smaller than "matchstick" johnson and bouye is the same size.

Sam is an easier position to replace. The skill set required isn't as diverse as what you need from a starting cb.
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this.
 
Five takeaways from Rick Smith's comments as the draft nears
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He can never have too many corners or tackles: Tackle has been listed as a team need in a lot of places, and while I don't generally consider it to be one, this comment lends credibility to that way of thinking. "I think I’ve said a lot of times that two positions you can never have too many are corners and tackles because it’s just the way that this league is." The Texans are also set at corner, but if, say, Michigan State corner Trae Waynes is available for them, that's a move I could see them making.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/houston-texans/post/_/id/10887/five-takeaways-from-rick-smiths-comments-as-the-draft-nears
 
bah007 said:
Morris and Bouye looked good covering #3 and #4 WRs. That doesn't mean that they can step in and start when Joseph is gone. Andre Hal was a 7th round flyer who has exceeded expectations in minimal playing time.
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Bouye got a lot of time covering the 1s and 2s, as well, not just 3s and 4s. For a 2nd year player (really a 1st year player, since he was injured his first year) he held up very well.

The other guy y'all are forgetting is Rolle who tied the team with interceptions, I believe.

We're stacked at CB. I'm not saying Johnson can't ball. But if we're talking about stacking for the future, that Dupree pick would have been a lot sexier under the same premise as drafting Kevin Johnson.
 
bah007 said:
Morris and Bouye looked good covering #3 and #4 WRs. That doesn't mean that they can step in and start when Joseph is gone. Andre Hal was a 7th round flyer who has exceeded expectations in minimal playing time.

Quick note, Morris and Hal are smaller than "matchstick" Johnson and Bouye is the same size.

SAM is an easier position to replace. The skill set required isn't as diverse as what you need from a starting CB.
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Bouye started 2 games last season at #1. And looked damn good in doing so.
 
....Cornerback wasn’t the Houston Texans most glaring need coming into the offseason, but it was without a doubt a spot where they could use an upgrade of talent.

Both Kareem Jackson and Johnathan Joseph had good seasons in 2014, but Joseph is over 30-years old now and his contract expires after the 2015 season so finding his eventual replacement needed to be a priority.

Eventually the Texans’ starters at corner will be Jackson and Kevin Johnson, but in the short term for at least the 2015 season the Texans will potentially have three high-end corners to battle teams that use spread looks with three or more wide receivers; you know like the Colts, Patriots and Broncos.

My guess is Johnson will play almost exclusively on the outside this season with Jackson moving inside to the slot corner spot in nickel situations like he did in 2014. Johnson has many plus traits, but he is a bit small and struggled in run support at Wake Forest.

What the Texans will get is a corner that excelled in man coverage and has shown the ability to be a playmaker. Adding a man corner who can turn and play tight in coverage not only shrinks the windows for the opposing quarterback, but will also help out the pass rushers by giving them more time to get home....
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I don't dislike Bouye. I actually like him a lot. But Kevin Johnson is going to be a very good player for us, so I have a hard time getting mad about the pick.

I like Dupree a ton. And that's probably who I take if I'm in charge. But I'm certainly not going to whine and moan about grabbing a tall CB with great feet, great hips, and great instincts.

In two years we're in a situation where we can line up against a spread look with Johnson and Bouye lined up outside with Kareem in the slot. Why the hell would anyone be mad about that possibility?
 
EllisUnit said:
Bouye started 2 games last season at #1. And looked damn good in doing so.
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Purely objective on your part and I disagree

If he was so good why did he keep getting benched later in the season?
 
I'm convinced they REALLY wanted Gurley. Given the players on the board, I would have taken Dupree, but it's certainly a very defensible selection. Somewhere in another thread I mentioned him as a possible pick. JJo is in his last year and he has had some injury issues to boot.

This guy will play slot this year and likely take over for JJo in 16. I think he fits what RAC wants in a corner and can play man or zone and has "quicks" to get after the TY Hilton's of the world.

Not a sexy pick for sure. I'm not dancing in the streets, but I'm not gonna drink a drano cocktail either.

It's a passing league and TY Hilton has owned us. This was a moved to stop that and RAC has more superbowl wins that all of us put together I'm quite certain. Gotta love fans that think they know more than a multi SB winner.

The other guys mentioned are good depth. I don't see a true top end starter among them. But Hal, Rolle, et al are good depth. On paper, this is the best CB group this team has ever had.
 
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EllisUnit said:
Yeah but we have so much GOOD depth at CB right now as it is. Makes zero sense to me to make your first priority a CB. We have no LBs, no depth on the D-line, no depth at WR behind Nuk, besides Shorts who you can't trust to be healthy.
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You're normally so sunshiny... You're response here is really messing with my head.

I was just as soon ready for a trade back & see what happens, then we take this guy & I'm like, "Meh..." wasn't expecting it even though I've seen several people mock CB to us.

It's funny the confidence you have in Bouye, Morris, even Hal, funny because I'm confident in them as well. Confident because they got a lot of snaps in 2014. They got a lot of snaps because we play a lot of nickel & Jjo & Kjax got nicked up quite a bit... & Jjo isn't getting any younger.


Now that they have his replacement, I wouldn't be surprised if they finally approach the geriatric cover man about that pay cut that's about 12 weeks too late.
 
Porky said:
I'm convinced they REALLY wanted Gurley. Given the players on the board, I would have taken Dupree, but it's certainly a very defensible selection. Somewhere in another thread I mentioned him as a possible pick. JJo is in his last year and he has had some injury issues to boot.

This guy will play slot this year and likely take over for JJo in 16. I think he fits what RAC wants in a corner and can play man or zone and has "quicks" to get after the TY Hilton's of the world.

Not a sexy pick for sure. I'm not dancing in the streets, but I'm not gonna drink a drano cocktail either.

It's a passing league and TY Hilton has owned us. This was a moved to stop that and RAC has more superbowl wins that all of us put together I'm quite certain. Gotta love fans that think they know more than a multi SB winner.

The other guys mentioned are good depth. I don't see a true top end starter among them. But Hal, Rolle, et al are good depth. On paper, this is the best CB group this team has ever had.
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You pretty much nailed it, but K Jackson will predominately play slot this year and K Johnson will play outside
 
I don't understand this pick at all. We have pressing needs in several positions and pick a project. Sick and tired of Rick Smith and the idiotic drafts we have had. I would rather have Texian as our GM.
 
JB said:
You pretty much nailed it, but K Jackson will predominately play slot this year and K Johnson will play outside
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Possible. Kjack has shown a knack for playing slot when in nickel. I'd guess this will be decided in camp. Put the best player in the best role, but your supposition isn't out of the question.
 
TexansFight said:
I don't understand this pick at all. We have pressing needs in several positions and pick a project. Sick and tired of Rick Smith and the idiotic drafts we have had. I would rather have Texian as our GM.
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He's not a project at all. The guy will be the first DB off the bench when we go nickel and will be a starter the year after that.
 
TheRealJoker said:
This is why we drafted Kevin Johnson: Quickest CB in the draft. And it shows up on film. Here are how some of his numbers stack up against Jo Jo and K Jax from when they were drafted in the best measurables for quickness and explosion.


Jo Jo:

- 20 yd shuttle:4.23
- 3 cone drill: 6.92
- Broad jump: 10' 3"
- Vertical: 37"

K Jax:

- 20 yd shuttle: 4.14
- 3 cone drill: 6.92
- Broad jump: 9'10"
- Vertical: 37.5"

Kevin Johnson:

- 20 yd shuttle: 3.89
- 3 cone drill: 6.79
- Broad jump: 10'10"
- Vertical: 41.5"


Needless to say, Kevin Johnson has the quick twitch explosive style that our starters lack and that we need to match up against the TY Hilton and Julian Edelmans of the league.
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And to compare with TY Hilton...

TY Hilton:

20 yd shuttle- 4.36
3 cone - 7.03
Broad jump - 9'11"
Vertical - 35.5"
 
TexansFight said:
I don't understand this pick at all. We have pressing needs in several positions and pick a project. Sick and tired of Rick Smith and the idiotic drafts we have had. I would rather have Texian as our GM.
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JJ Watt was booed by fans loudly. I'd be willing to bet you were one.

When your knee stops jerking and you can provide some real analysis instead of just pissing in your cereal bowl I'll read what you have to offer. Truth is you don't have a clue any more than the man on the moon.
 
TexansFight said:
I don't understand this pick at all. We have pressing needs in several positions and pick a project. Sick and tired of Rick Smith and the idiotic drafts we have had. I would rather have Texian as our GM.
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A project? Many had him as top CB in the draft.... we're poised to have 2 shut down corners in a division with Luck, Mariota and Bortles. Our defense should be one of the best ever. Still lots of picks to get help at OLB, ILB and depth for OL
 
We desperately need WR, OLB, ILB and OL and we pick a CB. Surprised we didn't pick a TE considering the "logic" emanating out of NRG Park.
 
The Chargers gave up 2 picks to leap frog over Houston and draft Gordon. They must have thought we were going to take him.

As bad as we need QB, C, and WR, we pissed away our 1st pick on a CB who can't tackle. Disaster. Cam Erving and Phillip Dorsett are already gone now and Petty soon will be. Picking Johnson was the same thing as giving up without a fight. The Jaguars were the king of bad picks but the Texans just usurped the throne.
 
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TheIronDuke said:
At least DE was a position of need, we have no need for a god damn matchstick CB.
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?? Kevin Johnson 6' 188 and Johnathan Joseph is 5'11" 188. KJ 5'10" 188, Hal 5'10" 188.Morris 5'10" 188 and Jamal Rolle same size. Only Bouye bigger at 6'1" 191.
 
Seegara said:
The Chargers gave up 2 picks to leap frog over Houston and draft Gurley. They must have thought we were going to take him.

As bad as we need QB, C, and WR, we pissed away our 1st pick on a CB who can't tackle. Disaster. Cam Erving and Phillip Dorsett are already gone now and Petty soon will be. Picking Johnson was the same thing as giving up without a fight. The Jaguars were the king of bad picks but the Texans just usurped the throne.
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You use the Jags instead of the Browns? Interesting
 
Seegara said:
The Chargers gave up 2 picks to leap frog over Houston and draft Gurley. They must have thought we were going to take him.

As bad as we need QB, C, and WR, we pissed away our 1st pick on a CB who can't tackle. Disaster. Cam Erving and Phillip Dorsett are already gone now and Petty soon will be. Picking Johnson was the same thing as giving up without a fight. The Jaguars were the king of bad picks but the Texans just usurped the throne.
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Great post. Completely agree. Rick Smith is a clown. I ****ing hate that man with a passion. Does this idiot not understand the value of moving up to get the man you want. ****ing moron. I hate him more than anyone in this town.
 
TexansFight said:
Great post. Completely agree. Rick Smith is a clown. I ****ing hate that man with a passion. Does this idiot not understand the value of moving up to get the man you want. ****ing moron. I hate him more than anyone in this town.
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Post over in the who made the pick thread since you know.
 
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