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Ryan Mallett

infantrycak said:
Defensive minded HC and Chan Gailey as OC for a 4-12 team? - if the Texans can't convince Mallett he would be better off under OB in a system he is familiar with, they suck.
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yep, I agree. Not to mention that Mallett would face much tougher defenses in the AFC East along with potential bad weather for a couple of months. Plus, Jets fans *blech!*
 
thunderkyss said:
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The Jets need to keep on steppin on. Hey Ryan, Texas has no state income tax!!!!! A least for your 8 home games you could keep more of that check!!!!!
 
infantrycak said:
I'm not saying they couldn't outbid the Texans. Just saying Mallett would be a fool to do it without substantially more guaranteed money and time. Dude is 26. Realistically he's got one long term contract in him if he plays his cards right. A 1-2 year test and then a 6 year deal puts him at 33-34 and then he's looking at extensions.
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Oh I agree with you, but it comes down to whether Mallett is willing to gamble on his talent or if he takes the $$$$ and runs.

If he's unwilling to gamble on his talent then Mallett isn't the type of QB I want leading my team anyway. I think Mallett will be a Texans next ys so this will probably be a moot point.
 
Lucky said:
Keenum is an exclusive rights free agent. So if the Texans want to retain him, all they need is to offer the minimum for a 3 year vet.
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How many yrs does Keenum have to play before he qualifies for the pension fund? It probably would be in his best interest to be the backup here in Houston for a couple of more yrs. He's proven to be a capable backup in BOB's system.
 
steelbtexan said:
How many yrs does Keenum have to play before he qualifies for the pension fund? It probably would be in his best interest to be the backup here in Houston for a couple of more yrs. He's proven to be a capable backup in BOB's system.
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I'd have to go read but think he needs 4 accrued seasons; which I think he only has 1.
 
Troy Chapman said:
I'd have to go read but think he needs 4 accrued seasons; which I think he only has 1.
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The Pension plan works on Credited seasons (which are slightly different than accrued seasons), and he needs three Credited Seasons to vest.

Any games spent on the 53 man roster, the IR, or the PUP counts towards a Credited Season (Essentially any week you're a paid "non-practice squad" NFL player), and you only need three games to get one. Since Case spent several weeks of the 2014 RS on the Rams roster - even though he was never active - 2014 is a Credited Season for him, meaning he's 2/3rds of the way to being vested in the Pension Plan.
 
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ChampionTexan said:
The Pension plan works on Credited seasons (which are slightly different than accrued seasons), and he needs three Credited Seasons to vest.

Any games spent on the 53 man roster, the IR, or the PUP counts towards a Credited Season (Essentially any week you're a paid "non-practice squad" NFL player), and you only need three games to get one. Since Case spent several weeks of the 2014 RS on the Rams roster - even though he was never active - 2014 is a Credited Season for him, meaning he's 2/3rds of the way to being vested in the Pension Plan.
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I don't think you get time towards a credited season if you are on PUP or IR. You do for accrued seasons but not for credited seasons. But you are correct in that Keenum has 2 credited seasons thus far.
 
Troy Chapman said:
I don't think you get time towards a credited season if you are on PUP or IR. You do for accrued seasons but not for credited seasons. But you are correct in that Keenum has 2 credited seasons thus far.
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From the NFLPA:

Credited season

Benefits in these plans are generally based on "Credited Seasons." A Credited Season is any season in which you are on one of the following lists for at least three regular-season or post-season games:
  • Active
  • Injured Reserve
  • Physically Unable to Perform
You also will get credit for a "Credited Season" if you are released injured and paid the equivalent of at least three game checks.
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It's clearly a function of compensation, not participation.

LINK
 
ChampionTexan said:
From the NFLPA:


It's clearly a function of compensation, not participation.

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Ok they are qualifying credited seasons in a different manner for the pension plan. Guess they qualify credited seasons differently in different articles of the CBA. I am used to use the credited season qualifications for salary. Different qualification here.

Thanks for the clarification.
 
Troy Chapman said:
Ok they are qualifying credited seasons in a different manner for the pension plan. Guess they qualify credited seasons differently in different articles of the CBA. I am used to use the credited season qualifications for salary. Different qualification here.

Thanks for the clarification.
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The Pension fund is only referenced in the CBA, but the actual agreement is the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle NFL Player Retirement Plan. It includes it's own definitions, and has been around in some form since 1963. As near as I can tell, it was last amended in '07.
 
O'Brien today on choosing a QB for 2015.

“We’ll make the right decision and it will probably be a competition,” O’Brien said. “It will be something where guys come in and compete and have to win the job and that’s the way it should be and that’s what we’re looking to do.”
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Pretty much what most of us expect, and it suggests that no QB's are getting a big contract this year. Mallet will take the two year deal (expected to last one year) and compete for the starting job.

It also suggests that no external QB's will be acquired for a draft pick, whether it be a Foles trade or a rookie. There are already four Texans QB's with playbook experience competing. Would O'Brien burn a draft pick for a fifth guy who'd be starting from scratch and competing with four vets? O'Brien was hardly comfortable evaluating three last year. And what was the point of drafting Savage if we're going back to the well after one year? This is why I don't believe these multiple mocks (Walter, Draft Countdown) that have Houston taking a QB.
 
Brisco_County said:
O'Brien today on choosing a QB for 2015.



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Pretty much what most of us expect, and it suggests that no QB's are getting a big contract this year. Mallet will take the two year deal (expected to last one year) and compete for the starting job.

It also suggests that no external QB's will be acquired for a draft pick, whether it be a Foles trade or a rookie. There are already four Texans QB's with playbook experience competing. Would O'Brien burn a draft pick for a fifth guy who'd be starting from scratch and competing with four vets? O'Brien was hardly comfortable evaluating three last year. And what was the point of drafting Savage if we're going back to the well after one year? This is why I don't believe these multiple mocks (Walter, Draft Countdown) that have Houston taking a QB.
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Walter has us taking a RB.

Still, they were telling us there was no truth to the trade rumors right up to the time we acquired Mallett & that we'll be running with the QBs we had until we culled half of them, then acquired a new one.

This means nothing.

If they offer Keenum a contract, then he'll be part of the equation. If they sign Mallett to Fitz money, then there will be a competition. If they don't trade for a QB, then they won't trade for a QB & if they don't draft a QB, then they won't draft a QB.

Can't put too much in what these guys say. It's coach speak & OB learned from the master.
 
“We’ll make the right decision and it will probably be a competition,” O’Brien said. “It will be something where guys come in and compete and have to win the job and that’s the way it should be and that’s what we’re looking to do.”
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I agree, that's the way it should be. But it only works when you have guys who are good on the roster. A bunch of stiffs competing will output a stiff as "the right decision". Let's make sure there are some good QBs competing this year, OK Bill?
 
infantrycak said:
I think the whole QB competition thing is a myth 95% of the time.
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I think there's competition at QB every year, just not for the starting position and in some cases not on every team for the backup spot.

Sometime it's for the 3rd QB only
 
ObsiWan said:
but suppose the Jets are crazy enough to offer him a "real" contract, say a 3-4-5 year deal at 7-8 mil, instead of the "let's see what you got", 1-2 year contract we're all thinking the Texans will put on the table?

going to be interesting to see how it plays out.
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The Texans will probably put more than one offer at more than one length on the table. Leave an option of a short lower paying prove it deal along side a longer term, better paying, multi-year deal on the table and see which one he chooses.

The art of negotiation is to determine what each side really needs and find a way to evaluate the price/cost of those needs. Then it is a simple mathematical calculation which permits the creation of a mutually beneficial deal.

But getting from desire to need is a challenge for both sides. There is no scarcity of players who think they are worth more than they are or teams who think they can dictate contracts for less than the players are worth.

I think Mallett has enough confidence to go for the 1 year deal. He will think it should be for $10M. The Texans will think $7M and they will probably end up around $8.5M. But I would predict each starts out 2 or 3 M above/below hoping to get to their initial valuation which will prolong the process. They just need to keep it professional since it is also a time when feelings/emotions interfere with judgement. More than one deal has blown up over hurt feelings rather than the outcome of the negotiation.
 
infantrycak said:
This seems like it should be an easy done deal. Cut Fitz and save $3.25 mil.

Sign Mallett to a 2 year deal:
Year 1: $3 mil signing bonus, $3 mil roster bonus, $1 mil salary...$5.5 mil cap hit.
Year 2: $9 mil salary, $1.5 mil proration...$10.5 cap hit.

Year 2 is easy to dump him with just $1.5 mil in dead money if he's a dud, or high enough money to keep him happy while a long term contract is being worked out.
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This is a good third alternative to the One Year Prove it and Three (+) Year Security gambit. Lay all three on the water and see which one gets a nibble if Mallet is OBs best alternative.
 
Marshall said:
I wonder whether DQ gets Credited Seasons since the IR - NON-FOOTBALL monicker could be a special category. Is it treated any differently for purposes of determining CREDITED SEASONS?
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He has continued to get paid so for the determining credited seasons for the pension plan, then yes is the answer. He is not getting credited seasons for salary determination purposes.
 
Rumors of the Jets showing interest in Mallet and Fitzpatrick.

Rich Cimini, ESPN’s Jets beat writer, mentioned the following Sunday in his offseason preview of the team’s quarterback situation:

"Look for them to add a veteran quarterback (Vick won’t be back), plus another in the draft. Ryan Fitzpatrick, who knows Chan Gailey’s system from their time together in Buffalo, could be an option if he’s released by the Houston Texans."

Fitzpatrick wasn’t the first Texans QB that Cimini addressed recently. In his Saturday mailbag, he was asked about the chances of Ryan Mallett coming to New York based on the team’s hiring of former Texans director of college scouting Mike Maccagnan as general manager. Here’s Cimini’s reply:

"You’re right, Maccagnan knows Ryan Mallett from their Houston Texans connection, but Mallett was a Bill O’Brien guy. I could see the Jets showing some interest in Mallett because the free-agent market isn’t loaded with great options, but let’s be real: He’s a huge unknown. He has only 79 pass attempts in four seasons. He finally got a shot last year to start, but he didn’t play well and tore a pectoral muscle on his throwing side in November. Mallet might have some upside, but he wouldn’t answer anything in terms of the Jets’ quarterback situation; he’d be another question mark in the mix."
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Maybe they'll take Fitz for a 7th, and we can win back that critical 7th round pick that we lost for acquiring Mallet.
 
Troy Chapman said:
I think they would call our bluff, expecting Fitz to be released.
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Maybe. But, Fitz would be on the open market. Trading for Fitz would get him on your team for a known price. And a 7th round pick is little better than an UDFA in most drafts.

Get me on the phone with the Jets, I can make this deal happen!
 
Lucky said:
Maybe. But, Fitz would be on the open market. Trading for Fitz would get him on your team for a known price. And a 7th round pick is little better than an UDFA in most drafts.

Get me on the phone with the Jets, I can make this deal happen!
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If we can get something, then I'm all for it.
 
I wouldn't be shocked if both Mallet and Fitz are on the Texans 2015 roster. One as penciled-in starter and the other as insurance backup/tutor.

Screw the Jets.
 
It seems it would be foolish for Mallet signing with the Texans before he hits the FA for all teams, and very bad business by him and his agent unless there's another QB in FA they think the Texans might make a play for ? Just being the Dev's advocate here.
 
IDEXAN said:
It seems it would be foolish for Mallet signing with the Texans before he hits the FA for all teams, and very bad business by him and his agent unless there's another QB in FA they think the Texans might make a play for ? Just being the Dev's advocate here.
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Who are the teams not only in the market for QB but also interested in a 1 start QB enough to offer a starting gig? Now do any of them run anything close to the same offense?
 
Mallets agent is not dumb and hes telling Ryan hes got all the chips in his corner might has well get wine n dined and see what his value is out there a lot of teams out there would love to have mallet
 
Norg said:
Mallets agent is not dumb and hes telling Ryan hes got all the chips in his corner might has well get wine n dined and see what his value is out there a lot of teams out there would love to have mallet
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Who, based on what?

Was there a lot of teams rushing to try to get him from NE? The Texans hold the better cards here
 
Matt Flynn got a 3-year, $26 Million from the Seahawks a few years ago. 10 Million was guaranteed. How would you guys feel if Mallett got a similar contract from the Texans?
 
JCTexan said:
Matt Flynn got a 3-year, $26 Million from the Seahawks a few years ago. 10 Million was guaranteed. How would you guys feel if Mallett got a similar contract from the Texans?
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Mallett's one game wasn't nearly as impressive as Flynn's... :kitten:
 
JCTexan said:
Matt Flynn got a 3-year, $26 Million from the Seahawks a few years ago. 10 Million was guaranteed. How would you guys feel if Mallett got a similar contract from the Texans?
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steelbtexan said:
Good as long as it is front loaded.
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Flynn got a $6 mil signing bonus and had a $2 mil 1st year salary for a 1st year cap hit of $4 mil. When he was cut they took another $4 mil in dead money. Oakland paid the remainder of the guaranteed money.
 
Norg said:
Mallets agent is not dumb and hes telling Ryan hes got all the chips in his corner might has well get wine n dined and see what his value is out there a lot of teams out there would love to have mallet
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Yes because they were all rushing to offer more in trade than the 7th rounder, in 2016, the Texans offered.........
 
infantrycak said:
Flynn got a $6 mil signing bonus and had a $2 mil 1st year salary for a 1st year cap hit of $4 mil. When he was cut they took another $4 mil in dead money. Oakland paid the remainder of the guaranteed money.
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Flynn was only with Seattle for one year and he didn't start a game there. I don't think Mallett will get as much as Flynn but I think that 3 year, 26 Mil could be the starting point in the negotiation. Realistically, I think a 2 year deal worth 12 Million or a 3 year deal worth 20 Million is where Mallett's contract will end up.
 
JCTexan said:
Flynn was only with Seattle for one year and he didn't start a game there. I don't think Mallett will get as much as Flynn but I think that 3 year, 26 Mil could be the starting point in the negotiation. Realistically, I think a 2 year deal worth 12 Million or a 3 year deal worth 20 Million is where Mallett's contract will end up.
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I was thinking 2 yr 15 million with 8 mill guaranteed
 
steelbtexan said:
JCTexan said:
Matt Flynn got a 3-year, $26 Million from the Seahawks a few years ago. 10 Million was guaranteed. How would you guys feel if Mallett got a similar contract from the Texans?
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Good as long as it is front loaded.
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That's an $8.6M average. Like you, I'm fine with it if it's structured correctly. But it appears the prevailing thought around here is a $3M~$4M average.


I don't care what the average is. I want a contract that will lock him up for 5 or 6 years if he can prove to be a quality starter, but allow us to walk away after two years if he doesn't.

I know his agent would be against it, but that's exactly what the Texans ought to be looking for, if they think he can be a quality starter. If not, let him walk. No need for him to audition for the other 21 teams in a Texans jersey.
 
DX-TEX said:
Yes because they were all rushing to offer more in trade than the 7th rounder, in 2016, the Texans offered.........
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He was a total unknown to everyone outside of New England except Bill O'Brien & George Godsey... two coaches that happened to be on our staff.

I don't know if you knew, but New Orleans first choice for a QB was Tony Romo in 2006, but Jerrah wouldn't let him go. New Orleans was interested, because their new head coach, Sean Payton, had spent the previous three seasons coaching Romo (UDFA Romo) on Dallas' scout team.

No one else even inquired about him.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's an $8.6M average. Like you, I'm fine with it if it's structured correctly. But it appears the prevailing thought around here is a $3M~$4M average.


I don't care what the average is. I want a contract that will lock him up for 5 or 6 years if he can prove to be a quality starter, but allow us to walk away after two years if he doesn't.

I know his agent would be against it, but that's exactly what the Texans ought to be looking for, if they think he can be a quality starter. If not, let him walk. No need for him to audition for the other 21 teams in a Texans jersey.
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Good sized team option bonus in the 3rd year should take care of that.
 
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