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players worthy of taking around 1.13

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mussop

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That could possibly be available. I say 13 because that is currently where we are at. Looks like the highest we could hope for is 11 but more likely around 13 to 15. Mariota seems to be locked in at the top so I left him out. Williams USC as well. This is really just to get conversation going on what kind of talent might be available when we are up. I'm behind on defense so you guys need to throw your defensive picks in the conversation, as well any names offensively you think should be in the conversation.

* indicates underclassman
QB

*Connor Cook 6-4, 220 4.90 Michigan State
Bryce Petty 6-3, 230 4.70 Baylor

If we want QB with our first pick this is our best case scenario. Cook is an * underclassman and if he does declare most likely wont be around when we are picking. If it's him you want a trade up is your best bet. Please don't even try and suggest Winston.

RB
Gurley would of been the only RB I would of considered top 15. Torn ACL kills that thought.

WR

Amari Cooper 6-1, 205 4.55 Alabama
Kevin White 6-2, 210 4.50 West Virginia

TE

None worth taking this high.

OT
Brandon Scherff 6-5, 320 5.15 Iowa
*Ronnie Stanley 6-5, 315 5.15 Notre Dame
La'el Collins 6-5, 315 5.15 LSU
*Andrus Peat 6-6, 315 5.25 Stanford

OG, OC

Help me out here. I haven't gotten into film of the interior line yet.


On defense the only players I feel confident mentioning at this point are

3/4 DE possibly 3/4 OLB????

*Shawn Oakman 6-7, 275 4.90 Baylor

3/4 OLB

*Shane Ray 6-3, 245 4.60 Missouri
*Shaq Thompson 6-2, 225 4.65 Washington
*Randy Gregory 6-5, 245 4.65 Nebraska

ILB

Denzel Perryman 5-11, 240 4.75 Miami

I think he is a 3 down ILB. Bah disagrees. Bah's a really good talent evaluator but it's my list so :fingergun:.

S

*Landen Collins 6-0, 215 4.55 Alabama

CB

I don't scout CB's or safety's much. Just to hard to find enough tape that focuses on them.

DT
?????? I like Shelton but not this early.
 
DeVante Parker -WR
Tj Clemmings -OT
Benardrick McKinney -ILB/OLB

Are guys that are on my list at 13 in addition to the ones you listed. (Great list, BTW)
 
Pollardized said:
Keep an eye on Sammie Coates WR Auburn. With the immediate success of this year's WR draft class I bet he shoots up the draft boards. His measurables should be off the chart. With today's NFL elite WR could easily become the second most important position on the team. Coates is 6'2" has been clocked in the 4.3s with a 44" vertical.

And he's a damn fine human being http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/92441/video-sammies-strength
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Coates has the speed to stretch a defense. He needs work on learning the route tree and how to great in and out of his breaks though. He does have unbelirvable talent though.
 
steelbtexan said:
Coates has the speed to stretch a defense. He needs work on learning the route tree and how to great in and out of his breaks though. He does have unbelirvable talent though.
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Incredible physical specimen, but whoever drafts him has their work cut out for them molding him into a great player. He has inconsistent hands and does most of his damage running vertical and beating DB's with pure speed. He runs a small variance of routes and needs to expand his route tree and improve his routes. He also doesn't go over the middle of the field much.

He really reminds me of Darrius Heyward-Bey although he is more physical and better at winning contested balls in the air.
 
steelbtexan said:
DeVante Parker -WR
Tj Clemmings -OT
Benardrick McKinney -ILB/OLB

Are guys that are on my list at 13 in addition to the ones you listed. (Great list, BTW)
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Thought about Parker and McKinney alot. Parker especially. I'm going to have to checkout Clemmons. Just haven't had the time this year to do my normal scouting. I've worked more overtime this year than the last two years combined. Taking the rest of the year off.
 
WolverineFan said:
Incredible physical specimen, but whoever drafts him has their work cut out for them molding him into a great player. He has inconsistent hands and does most of his damage running vertical and beating DB's with pure speed. He runs a small variance of routes and needs to expand his route tree and improve his routes. He also doesn't go over the middle of the field much.

He really reminds me of Darrius Heyward-Bey although he is more physical and better at winning contested balls in the air.
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beat me to it. agree with all of this.
 
Pollardized said:
Keep an eye on Sammie Coates WR Auburn. With the immediate success of this year's WR draft class I bet he shoots up the draft boards. His measurables should be off the chart. With today's NFL elite WR could easily become the second most important position on the team. Coates is 6'2" has been clocked in the 4.3s with a 44" vertical.

And he's a damn fine human being http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/92441/video-sammies-strength
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Didn't know that about him. Haven't read anything about this years prospects. Haven't had time. Thanks for the link.
 
weapons & speed @ skill positions.

really wanted OT last year, DT this year but fate may be best fit is to face reality & transition from the Andre Johnson era. Hop is an excellent #2 but just like @ Clemson he played second fiddle to Sammy Watkins. So with that said, three stand out & should be available, to further reviewed as to top among them.

13a. Kevin White, West Virginia, 6027 211
13b. Jaelen Strong, Arizona State, 6030 205
13c. DeVante Parker, Louisville, 6025 207
 
IMO, I would scratch Landon Collins and Denzel Perryman off that list, neither is worth #13. Collins is great against the run but lacks good pass coverage skills, and Perryman is too small for NFL ILB especially in the 1st round.

I'd add P.J. Williams-CB from Florida St. and Trae Waynes-CB from Michigan St., maybe Marcus Peters-CB from Washington but he's got off the field issues, and Ekpre-Olomu-CB from Oregon but he lacks size. Also add Eddie Goldman-DT from Florida St.

If I'm the Texans I'd target Connor Cook at #13 if he goes pro, and if not then either Williams or Waynes, White or Parker, Ray and a strong case can be made for Goldman.
 
I don't know anything about Connor Cook, but I don't think I'm interested in Petty. I like the guy, but I am beginning to think Art Briles could make me look like a good QB. Once his guys hit the pros, it doesn't seem to translate so well. Petty is a helluva athlete, though. So I reserve the right to forget this post after the combine. :D
 
Looking for us to go O-line or Secondary in the first round.

No QB's worth a look in the first except Mariota and he will be gone.
 
Petty seems like a great kid so I'm rooting for him, but I don't think there is any way he is drafted in the first two rounds.
 
Guys who I think are guaranteed to be off the board by then:

QB - *Marcus Mariota, Oregon
WR - Kevin White, West Virginia
WR - *Amari Cooper, Alabama
OT - *Andrus Peat, Stanford
DE - *Leonard Williams, USC
DE - *Shawn Oakman, Baylor
OLB - *Randy Gregory, Nebraska

That's seven. So then you're picking from this group, and five of them will be off the board:

WR - DeVante Parker, Louisville
WR - *Jaelen Strong, Arizona St
DE/NT - *Malcom Brown, Texas
NT - *Eddie Goldman, Florida St
OLB - *Shane Ray, Missouri
OLB - Alvin Dupree, Kentucky
OLB - *Dante Fowler, Florida
ILB - *Benardrick McKinney, Mississippi St
ILB - *Shaq Thompson, Washington (I love this guy but he's probably not on our board, doesn't have a fit in our defense)
CB - *P.J. Williams, Florida St
CB - *Trae Waynes, Michigan St
FS - *Gerod Holliman, Louisville

These are some guys who may not be considered "worthy" of that pick but due to their position you take them if you need one:

QB - Garrett Grayson, Colorado St (I know I'm the only one who would draft him in the first but I'm listing him anyway)
QB - *Connor Cook, Michigan St
OT - *Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame
OT - Ty Sambrailo, Colorado St
OT - Jake Fisher, Oregon
 
I honestly don't think Holliman will go 1st round. Yea, his INT numbers are phenomenal, but his all around game is just not all that great. He has decent size and good instincts, but he's not a great athlete and he absolutely cannot tackle. He seems like purely a single high deep safety who plays over the top in deep zone coverage, and yea those guys can be useful, but they also are not versatile. He's not a guy I want in the box or lining up in the slot.

I've seen him compared to Ed Reed because of his ball skills and playmaking skills with the ball in the air, but Reed could also tackle, force fumbles, rush the passer, cover TE's, and cover man-to-man. Holliman doesn't do all that.
 
bah007 said:
Guys who I think are guaranteed to be off the board by then:

QB - *Marcus Mariota, Oregon
WR - Kevin White, West Virginia
WR - *Amari Cooper, Alabama
OT - *Andrus Peat, Stanford
DE - *Leonard Williams, USC
DE - *Shawn Oakman, Baylor
OLB - *Randy Gregory, Nebraska

That's seven. So then you're picking from this group, and five of them will be off the board:

WR - DeVante Parker, Louisville
WR - *Jaelen Strong, Arizona St
DE/NT - *Malcom Brown, Texas
NT - *Eddie Goldman, Florida St
OLB - *Shane Ray, Missouri
OLB - Alvin Dupree, Kentucky
OLB - *Dante Fowler, Florida
ILB - *Benardrick McKinney, Mississippi St
ILB - *Shaq Thompson, Washington (I love this guy but he's probably not on our board, doesn't have a fit in our defense)
CB - *P.J. Williams, Florida St
CB - *Trae Waynes, Michigan St
FS - *Gerod Holliman, Louisville

These are some guys who may not be considered "worthy" of that pick but due to their position you take them if you need one:

QB - Garrett Grayson, Colorado St (I know I'm the only one who would draft him in the first but I'm listing him anyway)
QB - *Connor Cook, Michigan St
OT - *Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame
OT - Ty Sambrailo, Colorado St
OT - Jake Fisher, Oregon
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What do you think of Malcolm Brown?
 
bah007 said:
Guys who I think are guaranteed to be off the board by then:

QB - *Marcus Mariota, Oregon
WR - Kevin White, West Virginia
WR - *Amari Cooper, Alabama
OT - *Andrus Peat, Stanford
DE - *Leonard Williams, USC
DE - *Shawn Oakman, Baylor
OLB - *Randy Gregory, Nebraska

That's seven. So then you're picking from this group, and five of them will be off the board:

WR - DeVante Parker, Louisville
WR - *Jaelen Strong, Arizona St
DE/NT - *Malcom Brown, Texas
NT - *Eddie Goldman, Florida St
OLB - *Shane Ray, Missouri
OLB - Alvin Dupree, Kentucky
OLB - *Dante Fowler, Florida
ILB - *Benardrick McKinney, Mississippi St
ILB - *Shaq Thompson, Washington (I love this guy but he's probably not on our board, doesn't have a fit in our defense)
CB - *P.J. Williams, Florida St
CB - *Trae Waynes, Michigan St
FS - *Gerod Holliman, Louisville

These are some guys who may not be considered "worthy" of that pick but due to their position you take them if you need one:

QB - Garrett Grayson, Colorado St (I know I'm the only one who would draft him in the first but I'm listing him anyway)
QB - *Connor Cook, Michigan St
OT - *Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame
OT - Ty Sambrailo, Colorado St
OT - Jake Fisher, Oregon
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Great job of giving an overview.

Here's what I hope happens in this draft, but with Rick Smith in charge I know it wont.

Rd.1 Parker
Rd.2 Hopefully one of Sambraillo/Clemmings/Fisher/Stanley fall to the 2nd rd.
Rd. 3 Rashard Greene

4. Sign Virgil Greene in FA on the cheap and in 1 draft you've fixed most of the problems with this offense. If you believe Mallett is the future at QB. These weapons add with Hopkins/Foster would rival the weapons that the Pats/Packers/Cowgirls have.
 
bah007 said:
That's seven. So then you're picking from this group, and five of them will be off the board:

WR - DeVante Parker, Louisville
WR - *Jaelen Strong, Arizona St
DE/NT - *Malcom Brown, Texas
NT - *Eddie Goldman, Florida St
OLB - *Shane Ray, Missouri
OLB - Alvin Dupree, Kentucky
OLB - *Dante Fowler, Florida
ILB - *Benardrick McKinney, Mississippi St
ILB - *Shaq Thompson, Washington (I love this guy but he's probably not on our board, doesn't have a fit in our defense)
CB - *P.J. Williams, Florida St
CB - *Trae Waynes, Michigan St
FS - *Gerod Holliman, Louisville

These are some guys who may not be considered "worthy" of that pick but due to their position you take them if you need one:

QB - Garrett Grayson, Colorado St (I know I'm the only one who would draft him in the first but I'm listing him anyway)
QB - *Connor Cook, Michigan St
OT - *Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame
OT - Ty Sambrailo, Colorado St
OT - Jake Fisher, Oregon
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Parker, Waynes, or Fisher from that list. The prospect of AJ, Hopkins, and Parker just makes me grin. Waynes fills a hole in the secondary, IMO. Fisher is a little less of a need with Newton getting better, but I still think he's an awesome talent.
 
eriadoc said:
Parker, Waynes, or Fisher from that list. The prospect of AJ, Hopkins, and Parker just makes me grin. Waynes fills a hole in the secondary, IMO. Fisher is a little less of a need with Newton getting better, but I still think he's an awesome talent.
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If AJ doesn't take a pay cut WR (Parker) becomes a major need as well as a top flight slot guy.
 
steelbtexan said:
If AJ doesn't take a pay cut WR (Parker) becomes a major need as well as a top flight slot guy.
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And if he does take a pay cut, Parker becomes a transitional pathway. Part of the reason we suffer at so many positions is the lack of planning by Rick Smith. If you plan to build and maintain a team through the draft, you need to keep the guys you develop whenever possible, and plan for their departure when it isn't. Smith has done a piss poor job on both fronts, IMO. So I wouldn't have any heartburn about taking a WR no matter what the situation on AJ ends up being.
 
Wolf6151 said:
IMO, I would scratch Landon Collins and Denzel Perryman off that list, neither is worth #13. Collins is great against the run but lacks good pass coverage skills, and Perryman is too small for NFL ILB especially in the 1st round.

I'd add P.J. Williams-CB from Florida St. and Trae Waynes-CB from Michigan St., maybe Marcus Peters-CB from Washington but he's got off the field issues, and Ekpre-Olomu-CB from Oregon but he lacks size. Also add Eddie Goldman-DT from Florida St.

If I'm the Texans I'd target Connor Cook at #13 if he goes pro, and if not then either Williams or Waynes, White or Parker, Ray and a strong case can be made for Goldman.
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Collins has gotten better in coverage this year but you are right he may be repetitive with Swearinger. Probably right about Perryman also. I'm anxiously awaiting his weigh in at the combine. If he is not at least 245 he would definitely be moved way down my board.

I don't pay much attention to secondary players in the draft but Peters would definitely be worthy if not for his off field issues. That guy is a baller.

Cook should be our target but I doubt he falls to us. I haven't seen any DT's that I would take that high. Lucky for us there are several quality DT's available in FA.
 
eriadoc said:
I don't know anything about Connor Cook, but I don't think I'm interested in Petty. I like the guy, but I am beginning to think Art Briles could make me look like a good QB. Once his guys hit the pros, it doesn't seem to translate so well. Petty is a helluva athlete, though. So I reserve the right to forget this post after the combine. :D
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:photos: Nope you are locked in buddy! Petty will suck you said it. :nolisten:

j/k Very legitimate concern. The pre draft process should help get a better feel on where Petty fits.
 
bah007 said:
Guys who I think are guaranteed to be off the board by then:

QB - *Marcus Mariota, Oregon
WR - Kevin White, West Virginia
WR - *Amari Cooper, Alabama
OT - *Andrus Peat, Stanford
I think Peat is going to fall a little. I see him having trouble with speed rushers.
DE - *Leonard Williams, USC
DE - *Shawn Oakman, Baylor
OLB - *Randy Gregory, Nebraska

That's seven. So then you're picking from this group, and five of them will be off the board:

WR - DeVante Parker, Louisville
WR - *Jaelen Strong, Arizona St
DE/NT - *Malcom Brown, Texas
NT - *Eddie Goldman, Florida St
OLB - *Shane Ray, Missouri
OLB - Alvin Dupree, Kentucky
OLB - *Dante Fowler, Florida
ILB - *Benardrick McKinney, Mississippi St
ILB - *Shaq Thompson, Washington (I love this guy but he's probably not on our board, doesn't have a fit in our defense)
CB - *P.J. Williams, Florida St
CB - *Trae Waynes, Michigan St
FS - *Gerod Holliman, Louisville


These are some guys who may not be considered "worthy" of that pick but due to their position you take them if you need one:

QB - Garrett Grayson, Colorado St (I know I'm the only one who would draft him in the first but I'm listing him anyway)
QB - *Connor Cook, Michigan St
OT - *Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame
OT - Ty Sambrailo, Colorado St
OT - Jake Fisher, Oregon
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Both these guys (bolded) are worthy IMO. Fisher is Borderline.
 
eriadoc said:
Parker, Waynes, or Fisher from that list. The prospect of AJ, Hopkins, and Parker just makes me grin. Waynes fills a hole in the secondary, IMO. Fisher is a little less of a need with Newton getting better, but I still think he's an awesome talent.
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I like Waynes but this is a really weak CB class at the top. I might have him rated a little higher than I should just due to the fact that it's hard to believe a single DB won't be selected in the top 15.

I think Fisher is severely underrated right now. I see third round grades on him online but I just don't see any way he drops out of the top 35.

steelbtexan said:
If AJ doesn't take a pay cut WR (Parker) becomes a major need as well as a top flight slot guy.
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I think you minimize Parker's abilities if you put him in the slot. I'd put him and Hopkins out wide and move AJ to the slot. Either way it would be a matchup nightmare.

eriadoc said:
And if he does take a pay cut, Parker becomes a transitional pathway. Part of the reason we suffer at so many positions is the lack of planning by Rick Smith. If you plan to build and maintain a team through the draft, you need to keep the guys you develop whenever possible, and plan for their departure when it isn't. Smith has done a piss poor job on both fronts, IMO. So I wouldn't have any heartburn about taking a WR no matter what the situation on AJ ends up being.
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WolverineFan said something over a year ago that has really stuck with me. He said something to the effect that he had noticed that the premier franchises in the league tend to draft replacements for guys who are still on the roster. That way when a guy you drafted is ready to walk as a FA you have already been training his replacement for a year. They always draft in accordance to what their needs will be a year from now.
 
mussop said:
Both these guys (bolded) are worthy IMO. Fisher is Borderline.
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Cook's mechanics scare me. I think they are fixable and I do really like him as a prospect. But there is the possibility that the staff just doesn't like what they see with him.

I like Stanley a lot from what I've seen, but I actually wasn't aware that he was draft eligible so I haven't studied him as much as I'd like to before giving a solid opinion.

I think Fisher is crazy underrated.

mussop said:
I think Peat is going to fall a little. I see him having trouble with speed rushers.
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I think we've talked about Peat briefly. I think he's lights out against speed guys. It's the bull rushers like Leonard Williams who give him trouble. I think he's pro ready as a pass protector, but he needs to get stronger. He gets bullied sometimes.
 
steelbtexan said:
If AJ doesn't take a pay cut WR (Parker) becomes a major need as well as a top flight slot guy.
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eriadoc said:
And if he does take a pay cut, Parker becomes a transitional pathway. Part of the reason we suffer at so many positions is the lack of planning by Rick Smith. If you plan to build and maintain a team through the draft, you need to keep the guys you develop whenever possible, and plan for their departure when it isn't. Smith has done a piss poor job on both fronts, IMO. So I wouldn't have any heartburn about taking a WR no matter what the situation on AJ ends up being.
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Not a bad Idea to take White or Cooper if available. White will be the better pro IMO. And I wouldn't hate Parker at that spot but, there is some pretty good WR's that will be available later. Obviously QB is our biggest need but we shouldn't force one. I know it's cliché but BPA is the way to go here.

from what I see my bet is on OT being far and away the BPA when we pick.

IMO there are two ways we should go to build this team.

If you can't find your QB, build the team around the position up so when you do find him the talent is there to protect him and help him succeed.


Or :smile: build around the current franchise player (Watt) to make a dominate defense that can get to the QB. This worked for the Ravens. Does anyone think Flacco is really an elite QB?
 
mussop said:
Collins has gotten better in coverage this year but you are right he may be repetitive with Swearinger. Probably right about Perryman also. I'm anxiously awaiting his weigh in at the combine. If he is not at least 245 he would definitely be moved way down my board.

I don't pay much attention to secondary players in the draft but Peters would definitely be worthy if not for his off field issues. That guy is a baller.

Cook should be our target but I doubt he falls to us. I haven't seen any DT's that I would take that high. Lucky for us there are several quality DT's available in FA.
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Collins has indeed made some progress in coverage, but he is still not a good man-to-man guy. As an in the box Safety, that's a guy you're relying on to take TE's and RB's by himself. Not a strong point for him. The comparison to Swearinger is very accurate and how many times have we seen him chasing guys across the field? He makes plays inside 10 yards but he's a liability down the field. Tampa Bay had the same issues with Mark Barron.

Perryman is about 240 right now. Not sure how much bigger he can get. He put on 10 pounds last year and got absolutely cut up. He's huge.

Peters is the most talented CB in this draft (IMO) but I'm not sure he's draftable. He tried to strangle a coach during practice not once, but twice. He's never been in trouble off the field that I'm aware of, but has issues with authority and never got along with coaches or admin. Also, Marshawn Lynch is his mentor and that seems to turn a lot of NFL people off because of Lynch's inability to handle his own issues.
 
bah007 said:
I think Fisher is severely underrated right now. I see third round grades on him online but I just don't see any way he drops out of the top 35.
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I agree on Fisher. I think the guy is going to be a very, very good tackle. I'm not predicting Joe Thomas, but very good.

WolverineFan said something over a year ago that has really stuck with me. He said something to the effect that he had noticed that the premier franchises in the league tend to draft replacements for guys who are still on the roster. That way when a guy you drafted is ready to walk as a FA you have already been training his replacement for a year. They always draft in accordance to what their needs will be a year from now.
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Yeah, I hate the way they plan for replacements (or fail to). We're fed BS stories through the media about cap hell, but then they don't replace guys. They did not adequately replace Demeco Ryans, Glover Quin, Mario Williams (they tried, but too late and with unfortunate results), or Eric Winston. They have since replaced a couple of those, but they sure didn't do it at the time.

mussop said:
Not a bad Idea to take White or Cooper if available. White will be the better pro IMO.
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I agree, but the premise was who would be available at 13. White will be a top 10 pick for sure, and I don't see them trading up for a WR at this point. There are things I like about each of the top three WRs, though.
 
I'll be using your lists to tailor who I pay attention to at the NFL combine training event starting next week. I'll try to give periodic reports on what I've seen.
 
Im still eye-balling Connor Cook. I think you need to start investing more at the QB position. Cook has good size, familiar with pro-offense, and a winners attitude.

You can take Mallet, Keenum, Savage and Cook into camp and let Keenum and Savage duke it out for the backup spot. Sink or swim buddy boy.
 
Blake said:
Im still eye-balling Connor Cook. I think you need to start investing more at the QB position. Cook has good size, familiar with pro-offense, and a winners attitude.

You can take Mallet, Keenum, Savage and Cook into camp and let Keenum and Savage duke it out for the backup spot. Sink or swim buddy boy.
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Hasn't Cook already said he's going back to school? What is your plan if he doesn't come out?
 
mexican_texan said:
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I love Brown. He reminds me of Haloti Ngata. He's not quite that talented but he's the same kind of player.

He's huge but he's a penetrator more than he's a plugger. He's capable of playing the nose but he would be awesome as a two gap 5 tech.
 
bah007 said:
I love Brown. He reminds me of Haloti Ngata. He's not quite that talented but he's the same kind of player.

He's huge but he's a penetrator more than he's a plugger. He's capable of playing the nose but he would be awesome as a two gap 5 tech.
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Me too

As bad as the Texans need a WR/OT/ILB, it sure would be tempting to pair Brown with Watt for the next decade.
 
Derek Newton is getting better? Better to a point where they aren't just running plays away from him, cause that's what it looks like to me. I will be the first to admit I am probably more focused on scoring positions than Tackles though.

I thought we were already pairing Clowney with Watt for the next decade? He can't keep getting top picks for the next decade with a terrible offense. Plus, we just traded up and made all that noise for Louis Nix last year. I'm not ready to give up on him. He needs some work, but I believe in that guy's future.

Feel free to eat this alive, but this is what I'd prefer, and this is all just my uneducated opinion:

Right now, I believe that the Texans most pressing need are QB, OT, WR, and CB.

Best case scenario:

Connor Cook (QB &#8211; MSU) declares for the NFL draft and somehow he slips to the Texans at #17. Odds of him declaring, slipping to us, then Rick Smith actually doing what needs to be done &#8211; < 2%.

2nd best case scenario:

DeVante Parker (WR &#8211; Louis) somehow slips to the Texans at #17 and we are finally able to move Andre off this team, or have his replacement for the future. Doubt he slips though. He’s an athlete and will improve his stock considerably at the combine with reported 40 times of sub 4.4 speed, as well as 6’3” height, and a highlight reel of incredible catches. And don't get me wrong, I love Dre, but I don't think he loves it here and next year we are finally in a position where we can move him if he demands it.

3rd best case scenario:

Cedric Og (OT &#8211; TAMU) We need to finally replace our bum RT and this kid has the chops to be the guy we need and eventually take the torch from Duane Brown. I know he struggled last year against blue chip guys, but the biggest knock on him is strength, and IMO, is probably the easiest to fix. 6'5" - 300, definitely room to improve strength. If we lose Foster this offseason our team is going to be absolutely exposed with worthless Blue running the ball. We will need a dominant OLine to mask the deficiencies of his game as well as whatever QB we have under center (probably Mallett or Fitztragic).

My 4th best case scenario:

Trae Waynes (CB - MSU) We are unfortunately forced to part ways with J Joseph. I love the guy, but I feel like I am on an island with people I talk with about him. I think the guy has a very tough job and doesn't get credit for what he does. I'm also aware that we are always cap strapped and if I'm the only believer in him then that $9 MM cap savings makes it hard to retain his services.

Most likely scenario:

Rick Smith does something incredibly stupid I never saw coming and frustrates the hell out of me.
 
JB said:
With Crick in the rotation as 3rd DE, hell yeah!
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When you go to a four man front in the nickel you could have:

WDE - Clowney/Mercilus
NT - Brown
3 Tech - Crick
SDE - Watt

or

WDE - Mercilus
NT - Brown
3 Tech - Watt
SDE - Clowney

That's scary.
 
TexansFTW said:
Derek Newton is getting better? Better to a point where they aren't just running plays away from him, cause that's what it looks like to me. I will be the first to admit I am probably more focused on scoring positions than Tackles though.

I thought we were already pairing Clowney with Watt for the next decade? He can't keep getting top picks for the next decade with a terrible offense. Plus, we just traded up and made all that noise for Louis Nix last year. I'm not ready to give up on him. He needs some work, but I believe in that guy's future.

Feel free to eat this alive, but this is what I'd prefer, and this is all just my uneducated opinion:

Right now, I believe that the Texans most pressing need are QB, OT, WR, and CB.

Best case scenario:

Connor Cook (QB &#8211; MSU) declares for the NFL draft and somehow he slips to the Texans at #17. Odds of him declaring, slipping to us, then Rick Smith actually doing what needs to be done &#8211; < 2%.

2nd best case scenario:

DeVante Parker (WR &#8211; Louis) somehow slips to the Texans at #17 and we are finally able to move Andre off this team, or have his replacement for the future. Doubt he slips though. He’s an athlete and will improve his stock considerably at the combine with reported 40 times of sub 4.4 speed, as well as 6’3” height, and a highlight reel of incredible catches. And don't get me wrong, I love Dre, but I don't think he loves it here and next year we are finally in a position where we can move him if he demands it.

3rd best case scenario:

Cedric Og (OT &#8211; TAMU) We need to finally replace our bum RT and this kid has the chops to be the guy we need and eventually take the torch from Duane Brown. I know he struggled last year against blue chip guys, but the biggest knock on him is strength, and IMO, is probably the easiest to fix. 6'5" - 300, definitely room to improve strength. If we lose Foster this offseason our team is going to be absolutely exposed with worthless Blue running the ball. We will need a dominant OLine to mask the deficiencies of his game as well as whatever QB we have under center (probably Mallett or Fitztragic).

My 4th best case scenario:

Trae Waynes (CB - MSU) We are unfortunately forced to part ways with J Joseph. I love the guy, but I feel like I am on an island with people I talk with about him. I think the guy has a very tough job and doesn't get credit for what he does. I'm also aware that we are always cap strapped and if I'm the only believer in him then that $9 MM cap savings makes it hard to retain his services.

Most likely scenario:

Rick Smith does something incredibly stupid I never saw coming and frustrates the hell out of me.
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Not my favorite choice but I could get behind Cook. He needs to sit a year anyway. I like where he is mentally but he needs technical work. So you give Mallett a full year to prove something. If he doesn't, then you have Cook waiting in the wings.

I think Parker is fantastic and I wouldn't be surprised if he is drafted before Cooper. I think Cooper is overrated as a pro prospect. He is smaller than people think and he's not going to test the way a guy his size should. He is closer to Marqise Lee than he is to Julio Jones.

A&M/SEC guys have incredibly overrated Ogbuehi, in my opinion. He's living off the reputation of the guys that came before him. I don't see how people have him rated above Fisher from Oregon.

I like Waynes. I think he will be a good #2 CB. He will never be a shutdown guy though. If Kareem can handle being a #1 then Waynes is a very good choice.
 
bah007 said:
Not my favorite choice but I could get behind Cook. He needs to sit a year anyway. I like where he is mentally but he needs technical work. So you give Mallett a full year to prove something. If he doesn't, then you have Cook waiting in the wings.

I think Parker is fantastic and I wouldn't be surprised if he is drafted before Cooper. I think Cooper is overrated as a pro prospect. He is smaller than people think and he's not going to test the way a guy his size should. He is closer to Marqise Lee than he is to Julio Jones.

A&M/SEC guys have incredibly overrated Ogbuehi, in my opinion. He's living off the reputation of the guys that came before him. I don't see how people have him rated above Fisher from Oregon.

I like Waynes. I think he will be a good #2 CB. He will never be a shutdown guy though. If Kareem can handle being a #1 then Waynes is a very good choice.
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Was going to respond to this post but you nailed it. Oh well I'll throw in my 2 cents.

If Cook changed his mind and came out I would have no problem with him as the pick so long as (like you said) he is not rushed into action. People need to accept the fact that this is Mallets team next year. *Unless something incredibly crazy happens like the Josh Smith situation with the Rockets this offseason.

If we were to go WR, White is the real catch. :bubbles: After him I would be ok with either DeVante Parker or Cooper. I agree Cooper is over rated but not ridiculously over rated.

There are about 8 or 9 OL I would take before Ogbuehi. A couple are OG's. There might even be a C I would take over him.
 
bah007 said:
Not my favorite choice but I could get behind Cook. He needs to sit a year anyway. I like where he is mentally but he needs technical work. So you give Mallett a full year to prove something. If he doesn't, then you have Cook waiting in the wings.

I think Parker is fantastic and I wouldn't be surprised if he is drafted before Cooper. I think Cooper is overrated as a pro prospect. He is smaller than people think and he's not going to test the way a guy his size should. He is closer to Marqise Lee than he is to Julio Jones.

A&M/SEC guys have incredibly overrated Ogbuehi, in my opinion. He's living off the reputation of the guys that came before him. I don't see how people have him rated above Fisher from Oregon.

I like Waynes. I think he will be a good #2 CB. He will never be a shutdown guy though. If Kareem can handle being a #1 then Waynes is a very good choice.
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I agree with everything you said above the bolded section, but am interested in why you think Waynes will never be a shutdown CB?
 
Wolf6151 said:
I agree with everything you said above the bolded section, but am interested in why you think Waynes will never be a shutdown CB?
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He has good size but I think he plays small. He's not as physical as I think he could be. He's also a good athlete but not a great one. There are certainly no flaws in his athleticism but he lacks just that little extra that would make him an elite prospect.

In today's NFL I think he makes a very good #2 CB. But there isn't anything about him that says he's special, at least to me.
 
bah007 said:
He has good size but I think he plays small. He's not as physical as I think he could be. He's also a good athlete but not a great one. There are certainly no flaws in his athleticism but he lacks just that little extra that would make him an elite prospect.

In today's NFL I think he makes a very good #2 CB. But there isn't anything about him that says he's special, at least to me.
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I like Wayne early but agree with your assessment. He needs to get to the right team.Glad our CBs have improved and I moved that position off my board IF we go safety high as on my mock.
 
This is my updated list of players that could possibly be available when we pick that IMO would be worth taking.

WR
DeVante Parker WR Louisville Sr 6-3 209
Kevin White WR West Virginia Sr 6-3 210
Amari Cooper WR Alabama Jr 6-1 210

OT
La'el Collins OT LSU Sr 6-5 321
Ronnie StanleyOT Notre Dame rSo 6-6 318
Brandon Scherff OT Iowa rSr 6-5 320
Ereck Flowers OT Miami Jr 6-5 324
Andrus Peat OT Stanford Jr 6-7 312

OLB
Shane Ray OLB Missouri rJr 6-3 245

NT/DE
Danny Shelton DT WashingtonSr 6-2 332

CB
Trae Waynes CB Michigan St rJr 6-1 183
Marcus Peters CB Washington rJr 6-0 198

ON THE BUBBLE

T.J. Clemmings OT Pittsburgh rSr 6-5 305
Alvin Dupree OLB Kentucky rSr 6-4 267
Dante Fowler Jr. OLB Florida Jr 6-2 261
Malcom Brown DT Texas Jr 6-4 320

I LEFT OFF THE ELITE BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY OF THEM FALLING WITHIN REALISTIC TRADING UP RANGE.

1 *Marcus Mariota QB 1 Oregon rJr 6-4 215
2 *Leonard Williams DT 1 Southern California Jr 6-5 298
3 *Jameis Winston QB 2 Florida State rSo 6-4 232
4 *Randy Gregory DE 1 Nebraska rJr 6-6 245


I'm not a big Peat guy but there are some here that believe in him. I really like Collins but think this is to early for him.
 
bah007 said:
I have him as the #1 CB in this draft.

I thought you weren't very high on him?
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I love him as a prospect. My issue was the coaching this year had everyone playing at a lower level than last year. That's what I meant by my comment a few weeks ago. PJ was my favorite player on the team, as Xavier Rhodes was back in his day.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I love him as a prospect. My issue was the coaching this year had everyone playing at a lower level than last year. That's what I meant by my comment a few weeks ago. PJ was my favorite player on the team, as Xavier Rhodes was back in his day.
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Understood.

I agree that FSU's defensive coaching this year was at best questionable. I'm not sure who the DC was this year but he was trying to be way too cute. He had better athletes than every team he played and he's always doing goofy stuff for seemingly no reason. Just line up and let your studs be studs. No reason Mario Edwards should be standing up playing in coverage.

I think Williams will really shine in the NFL. I thought he was the best player on FSU's defense this year.
 
bah007 said:
Understood.

I agree that FSU's defensive coaching this year was at best questionable. I'm not sure who the DC was this year but he was trying to be way too cute. He had better athletes than every team he played and he's always doing goofy stuff for seemingly no reason. Just line up and let your studs be studs. No reason Mario Edwards should be standing up playing in coverage.

I think Williams will really shine in the NFL. I thought he was the best player on FSU's defense this year.
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I thought Ramsey was the best player this year but Williams right there behind him. Ramsey is going to be the top S next year. Awesome player.

In regards to the coaching, it was so difficult to watch. Seeing Mario Edwards running 25 yards downfield trying to cover TEs and RBs was mind boggling. The DC's name is Charles Kelly and he needs to be replaced.
 
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