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bah007 said:
I think he will be a top 12 pick. I also don't see him as a good fit for our defense. Despite his size, I don't think he will make a good 34 end. I think his best fit is on the strong side in a 43.
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I concur. He is not dominant at the point of attack like you would expect him to be. I question his ability to consistently two-gap and still make plays. I've heard comparisons to Calais Campbell, but I don't think that merits at all. Sure they have similar builds, but Campbell was always a playmaker. We don't see that from Oakman. He flashes occasionally but that's it.
 
steelbtexan said:
Thanks for the work you put in to come up with these lists. I really enjoy the draft talk and truly value your opinion. You watch a lot more tape than I do. I usually watch 1 game a weekend and DVR another 1 or 2.

You have confirmed my thoughts on this class. I like last yrs class better than this yrs class.
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Last year's class was the best in years. It's going to be a little while before we see a class that deep again. This is going to be an outstanding RB class though. If certain people come out we could have close to 8 RB's from this class starting in a year or two.
 
CB
1. P.J. Williams – CB, Florida St* 6-0 196 1st
2. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu – CB, Oregon 5-9 195 1st
3. Marcus Peters – CB, Washington* 6-0 198 1st
4. Trae Waynes – CB, Michigan St* 6-1 183 1st
5. Lorenzo Doss – CB, Tulane* 5-11 187 2nd
6. Ronald Darby – CB, Florida St* 5-11 188 2nd
7. Charles Gaines – CB, Louisville* 5-11 175 3rd
8. Jalen Collins – CB, LSU* 6-2 195 3rd
9. Senquez Golson – CB, Ole Miss 5-9 176 3rd
10. Steven Nelson – CB, Oregon St 5-11 195 3rd
11. D’Joun Smith – CB, Florida Atlantic 5-11 190 4th
12. Josh Shaw – CB, USC 6-1 200 4th
13. Kevin Johnson – CB, Wake Forest 6-0 175 4th
14. KeiVarae Russell – CB, Notre Dame* 5-11 190 4th
15. Cam Thomas – CB, Western Kentucky 6-1 190 4th
16. Kevin White – CB, TCU 5-10 175 4th
17. Ladarius Gunter – CB, Miami 6-2 198 5th
18. Byron Jones – CB, Connecticut 6-1 196 5th
19. Justin Coleman – CB, Tennessee 5-10 190 5th
20. Quandre Diggs – CB/FS, Texas 5-10 204 5th
21. Damian Swann – CB, Georgia 5-11 178 6th
22. Nick Waisome – CB, Florida St 5-10 182 6th
23. Bryce Callahan – CB, Rice 5-10 180 6th
24. Tevin Mitchel – CB, Arkansas 6-0 188 6th
25. Eric Rowe – CB, Utah 6-1 201 7th
26. Doran Grant – CB, Ohio St 5-11 193 7th
27. Jamerson Love – CB, Mississippi St 5-9 175 FA
28. Demetrious Nicholson – CB, Virginia 5-10 185 FA


FS
1. Cody Prewitt – FS, Ole Miss 6-2 217 1st
2. Gerod Holliman – FS, Louisville* 6-0 201 1st
3. Durrell Eskridge – FS, Syracuse* 6-3 203 2nd
4. Derron Smith – FS, Fresno St 5-11 197 2nd
5. Karl Joseph – FS, West Virginia* 5-10 196 3rd
6. Anthony Harris – FS, Virginia 6-1 190 4th
7. Detrick Bonner – FS, Virginia Tech 6-0 194 5th
8. Kurtis Drummond – FS, Michigan St 6-1 200 5th
9. Kyshoen Jarrett – FS, Virginia Tech 5-11 192 5th
10. Tra’Mayne Bondurant – FS, Arizona 5-10 198 6th
11. Clayton Geathers – FS, UCF 6-2 208 7th
12. Dean Marlowe – FS, James Madison 6-2 205 7th
13. Cody Riggs – CB/FS, Notre Dame 5-9 190 7th
14. Jermaine Whitehead – FS, Auburn 5-11 193 FA
15. Tevin McDonald – FS, Eastern Washington 5-11 200 FA


SS
1. Landon Collins – SS, Alabama* 6-0 215 1st
2. Jordan Richards – SS, Stanford 5-11 208 3rd
3. Ronald Martin – SS, LSU 6-1 218 3rd
4. Jaquiski Tartt – SS, Samford 6-1 218 3rd
5. Serderius Bryant – SS, Ole Miss 5-9 220 5th
6. Robenson Therezie – SS, Auburn 5-9 212 5th
7. Sam Carter – SS, TCU 6-1 215 6th
8. Adrian Amos – SS, Penn St 6-0 209 6th
9. Isaiah Johnson – SS, Georgia Tech 6-1 213 6th
10. Tyler Hunter – SS, Florida St 5-11 205 7th
11. Ibraheim Campbell – SS, Northwestern 5-11 205 7th
12. Craig Bills – SS, BYU 6-1 205 FA
 
steelbtexan said:
What is it that you like about Edwards? Every game I see him in he makes a couple of tackles and bats down a pass here and there. For all of this supposed talent his motor appears to run on idle. Certainly not a 1st rd pick IMO, maybe a low 2nd rd pick.

Is this scheme related?
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I don't know if it is so much scheme related as it is coach related and the fact that there isn't a consistent pass rush from outside guys. FSU is consistently blitzing and the good teams find ways to beat it quickly. It's hard for these guys to shine in the passing game when they don't have a lot of time to get to the QB. Our best pass rushing DE was a freshman, who is now hurt. The other pass rushers are simply not very good or are being thrown in downfield man coverage for some odd reason (again coaching). Edwards can be a pass rusher, but not so much on the outside.

WolverineFan pointed out that they had him out of position early on, because they didn't have anyone else to play that role. The coach has made a plethora of mistakes this year and WILL be replaced. When Edwards gets to play more inside, he shines more. He's still a young guy (turned 20 in April) and would have benefited from being able to play more to his strengths. His motor can be an issue, but it's more in how he is used IMO.

What I like about him: the measurables obviously and how he uses them (long arms to knock balls down, grasping runners and QBs when he isn't in an ideal position to make a tackle), his youth, his strength, and his leadership (he is a leader along the defensive line.)

Something to think about in regards to Goldman and Edwards is their backups were injured in week 2 or 3. We played a team that cut block and chop blocked all game, in fact one offensive lineman from that team even said they were trying to injure our players. We had 3 DTs get hurt in that game, and two of them have remained out. So, the depth and rotation was hurt for the rest of the year. Not to mention, the defense is struggling to get off the field. They just aren't very good. Goldman and Edwards are playing significantly more snaps per game than was anticipated and it has taken a toll. I'm not making excuses, but it does play a factor for young players and their production. You can argue that they should overcome it and that they will see even more snaps in the NFL, and you would be right, but keep in mind that they are young players and it takes that experience to learn how to play in those conditions.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I don't know if it is so much scheme related as it is coach related and the fact that there isn't a consistent pass rush from outside guys. FSU is consistently blitzing and the good teams find ways to beat it quickly. It's hard for these guys to shine in the passing game when they don't have a lot of time to get to the QB. Our best pass rushing DE was a freshman, who is now hurt. The other pass rushers are simply not very good or are being thrown in downfield man coverage for some odd reason (again coaching). Edwards can be a pass rusher, but not so much on the outside.

WolverineFan pointed out that they had him out of position early on, because they didn't have anyone else to play that role. The coach has made a plethora of mistakes this year and WILL be replaced. When Edwards gets to play more inside, he shines more. He's still a young guy (turned 20 in April) and would have benefited from being able to play more to his strengths. His motor can be an issue, but it's more in how he is used IMO.

What I like about him: the measurables obviously and how he uses them (long arms to knock balls down, grasping runners and QBs when he isn't in an ideal position to make a tackle), his youth, his strength, and his leadership (he is a leader along the defensive line.)

Something to think about in regards to Goldman and Edwards is their backups were injured in week 2 or 3. We played a team that cut block and chop blocked all game, in fact one offensive lineman from that team even said they were trying to injure our players. We had 3 DTs get hurt in that game, and two of them have remained out. So, the depth and rotation was hurt for the rest of the year. Not to mention, the defense is struggling to get off the field. They just aren't very good. Goldman and Edwards are playing significantly more snaps per game than was anticipated and it has taken a toll. I'm not making excuses, but it does play a factor for young players and their production. You can argue that they should overcome it and that they will see even more snaps in the NFL, and you would be right, but keep in mind that they are young players and it takes that experience to learn how to play in those conditions.
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Gotcha

I didn't realize that Edwards is only 20 yrs old. That explains a lot to me. He still has a lot of growing up to do, both mentally/physically. What rd do you see Edwards being picked in? The talent is there apparently. Some coach will believe they can get the best out of him. I put Edwards in the same boat as Oakman after your take on him. Late Rd.1- mid Rd.2

With as many needs as the Texans have if Edwards was there in the middle of rd 2 would you forego those needs and pick Edwards on the basis of his abitily and the projection of what he can become?
 
steelbtexan said:
Gotcha

I didn't realize that Edwards is only 20 yrs old. That explains a lot to me. He still has a lot of growing up to do, both mentally/physically. What rd do you see Edwards being picked in? The talent is there apparently. Some coach will believe they can get the best out of him. I put Edwards in the same boat as Oakman after your take on him. Late Rd.1- mid Rd.2

With as many needs as the Texans have if Edwards was there in the middle of rd 2 would you forego those needs and pick Edwards on the basis of his abitily and the projection of what he can become?
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I would imagine that if he finishes the season well against the likes of Boston College, Florida, Georgia Tech, and then potentially two playoff games, that he would go squarely in round 1. If he struggles, probably round 2. I imagine he is going to leave as well, I don't really see him staying.

In regards to the second question, it depends on the QB situation. If Mallett shows well and we feel comfortable going into next season with he and Savage, I would have no problem with that pick. I do think our secondary needs serious work. I'd be looking at secondary players that are good values for our 1st round pick before anything else, assuming QB is not a first round need. I would love PJ Williams in the first, or Darby in the second.

My scouting is going to be mostly limited to FSU this year. I've been crazy busy this season with work and other events.
 
steelbtexan said:
Looking at your LB rankings I wouldn't mind wouldn't mind LB's Jake Ryan/Mike Hull/Paul Dawson in rs 5-7.

For DE depth I like Odihizuwa (I saw this guy when I was looking at Hundley ad this guy is player.) Chickillo and Anderson would be great depth guys.

Could you give me a scouting report on Mihalik, he seems like a great physical specimen.

How do you rate this very yrs DL class? I see a good class, but not a great class. Williams and Malcolm Brown are my 2 favorites. I feel that Oakman/Armstead/Edwards are very overrated. Dupree is very versatile and very underrated.
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Is anyone willing and able to make a note on whether a player is especially suited or not suited to the type of offense and defense we run? Nothing fancy, but something like a plus/minus indicator on whether they are a better or worse fit for the Texans as opposed to overall ranking. This would help weed out 4-3 middle linebackers and Zone only linemen.

ps This should be a general reply rather than a response to the poster.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I would imagine that if he finishes the season well against the likes of Boston College, Florida, Georgia Tech, and then potentially two playoff games, that he would go squarely in round 1. If he struggles, probably round 2. I imagine he is going to leave as well, I don't really see him staying.

In regards to the second question, it depends on the QB situation. If Mallett shows well and we feel comfortable going into next season with he and Savage, I would have no problem with that pick. I do think our secondary needs serious work. I'd be looking at secondary players that are good values for our 1st round pick before anything else, assuming QB is not a first round need. I would love PJ Williams in the first, or Darby in the second.

My scouting is going to be mostly limited to FSU this year. I've been crazy busy this season with work and other events.
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I hope the Texans add speed at WR. If Parker is there in the 1st he would be my pick.

My favorite DB in this draft is Cody Prewitt. A big hitter who can patrol centerfield. P.J. Williams is good. But doesn't really standout to me. That could be my biased opinion that this is a bad CB draft.

I mean with experience does Williams have that much more physical ability than say Morris on the Texans?
 
Marshall said:
Is anyone willing and able to make a note on whether a player is especially suited or not suited to the type of offense and defense we run? Nothing fancy, but something like a plus/minus indicator on whether they are a better or worse fit for the Texans as opposed to overall ranking. This would help weed out 4-3 middle linebackers and Zone only linemen.

ps This should be a general reply rather than a response to the poster.
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I'm not quite familiar with every single player and am also trying to stick to bah007's rankings, but here are your system fits on defense...

DE
1. Leonard Williams, USC* (6-5, 298) 1st
2. Shawn Oakman, Baylor* (6-8, 275) 1st
3. Arik Armstead, Oregon* (6-7, 296) 1st
4. Malcom Brown, Texas* (6-4, 320) 1st
5. Mario Edwards, Florida State* (6-3, 294) 1st
6. Carl Davis, Iowa (6-5, 315) 2nd
7. Bronson Kaufusi, BYU* (6-7, 263) 3rd
8. Christian Covington, Rice* (6-3, 295) 3rd
9. Cedric Reed, Texas (6-6, 271) 4th
10. Travis Riciti, San Jose State (6-5, 290) 4th
11. Ray Drew, Georgia (6-4, 276) 5th
12. Anthony Chickillo, Miami (6-4, 277) 5th
13. Corey Crawford, Clemson (6-5, 270) 6th
14. Leon Orr, Florida (6-4, 305) 6th
15. B.J. Larsen, Utah State (6-5, 275) 7th
16. Brian Mihalik, Boston College (6-9, 288) 7th
17. Henry Anderson, Stanford (6-6, 295) 7th

- Malcom Brown and Carl Davis could also play NT, but skill sets are much better suited to DE.

NT
1. Eddie Goldman, Florida State* (6-3, 314) 1st
2. Danny Shelton, Washington (6-2, 332) 1st
3. Ellis McCarthy, UCLA* (6-4, 330) 2nd
4. Jeffrey Whitaker, Auburn (6-3, 322) 6th
5. Brandon Ivory, Alabama (6-3, 312) 6th

- Goldman, Shelton, and McCarthy are all athletic enough to play DE, but anyone who excels at NT should stay there as it is a crucial position in any 3-4 defense.

OLB
1. Randy Gregory, Nebraska* (6-6, 245) 1st
2. Shaq Thompson, Washington* (6-2, 231) 1st
3. Dante Fowler, Florida* (6-2, 261) 1st
4. Shane Ray, Missouri* (6-3, 245) 1st
5. Alvin Dupree, Kentucky (6-4, 267) 1st
6. Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State* (6-4, 257) 1st
7. Kyler Fackrell, Utah State* (6-5, 245) 2nd
8. Jordan Jenkins, Georgia* (6-2, 246) 2nd
9. Hauoli Kikaha, Washington (6-3, 250) 2nd
10. Vic Beasley, Clemson (6-2, 235) 2nd
11. Trey Flowers, Arkansas (6-4, 257) 2nd
12. Markus Golden, Missouri (6-3, 260) 2nd
13. Lorenzo Mauldin, Louisville (6-4, 243) 3rd
14. Za'Darius Smith, Kentucky (6-5, 264) 3rd
15. Tony Washington, Oregon (6-3, 250) 3rd
16. Zach Hodges, Harvard (6-3, 235) 4th
17. Martin Ifedi, Memphis (6-3, 265) 5th
18. Devonte Fields, Trinity Valley* (6-4, 250) 5th
19. Ishaq Williams, Notre Dame (6-4, 271) 5th
20. Jermauria Rasco, LSU (6-3, 262) 6th
21. Frank Clark, Michigan (6-2, 270) 6th
22. Nate Orchard, Utah (6-4, 255) 7th
23. Geneo Grissom, Oklahoma (6-4, 252) 7th

- Thompson could play a plethora of positions (OLB, ILB, Nickel Safety, Slot CB).
- Jenkins, Kikaha, Washington, and Hodges could all play ILB.
- Fowler, Dupree, and Flowers could all play DE but their athleticism is a better fit on the edge.
 
steelbtexan said:
I like Orchard quite a bit. He's the Anthony Spencer type player. IMHO Why so low?
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I suspect Orchard will move up. I see his stats are awesome this year. I just haven't had an opportunity to study him. That grade is pretty much based on what I saw from him last year.

He caught my eye and flashed potential but not much production. He's turned that around this year.
 
I think I'd like to see Nix at about 315 playing next to NT Pickett. I saw Powe next to Pickett last game.
 
WolverineFan said:
I'm a really big Orchard fan. I think he's a day two pick honestly.
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Who does Orchard remind you of?

Is Spencer a good comparison?

He's strong enough to disrupt the TE off the line and has the speed to run the arch on the pass rush. If he gets with a good DL coach that can teach him a spin move, watch out. The Talent is there and I think his best football is ahead of him.
 
steelbtexan said:
Who does Orchard remind you of?

Is Spencer a good comparison?

He's strong enough to disrupt the TE off the line and has the speed to run the arch on the pass rush. If he gets with a good DL coach that can teach him a spin move, watch out. The Talent is there and I think his best football is ahead of him.
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Spencer is a good comparison athletically. Very similar builds and athletic ability. The skill sets aren't quite the same though. He doesn't have the pass rush repertoire that Spencer had. He is more versatile coming out though as he plays 3-4 OLB in college and has experience in coverage and playing in space as a stand-up edge defender.

He actually reminds me of Marcus Smith (kid from Louisville drafted last year by Eagles) and Corey Lemonier (kid from Auburn that plays for 49ers) but without the top end measureables. Both guys are versatile athletes and solid all around players who lack complete pass rush arsenals.
 
WolverineFan said:
Spencer is a good comparison athletically. Very similar builds and athletic ability. The skill sets aren't quite the same though. He doesn't have the pass rush repertoire that Spencer had. He is more versatile coming out though as he plays 3-4 OLB in college and has experience in coverage and playing in space as a stand-up edge defender.

He actually reminds me of Marcus Smith (kid from Louisville drafted last year by Eagles) and Corey Lemonier (kid from Auburn that plays for 49ers) but without the top end measureables. Both guys are versatile athletes and solid all around players who lack complete pass rush arsenals.
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He was potential to be what we had hoped Brooks Reed could be.
 
Playoffs said:
Seeing any potential Move-TEs with the short area quickness of an Aaron Hernandez?
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Michigan's Devin Funchess. He was All Big 10 as a TE in 2013 and moved to WR this season. Doesn't have the deep speed to stay on the outside, so move TE is his likely NFL position.
 
Lucky said:
Michigan's Devin Funchess. He was All Big 10 as a TE in 2013 and moved to WR this season. Doesn't have the deep speed to stay on the outside, so move TE is his likely NFL position.
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I thought the same thing at first. But after discussing it with WolverineFan I've changed my mind. He was listed as a TE last year but he pretty much played WR all year.

He's no more a TE than Jimmy Graham is. He can't block a lick. His only job will be to catch passes. You can line him up as the move TE but you will be telegraphing pass. If you're running you're going to have to split him out wide to match him up on a Safety. LBs abuse him.

He's no bigger than Kelvin Benjamin, and he's probably a better athlete. So I think he stays out at WR.
 
Jalen Strong leaves game with what they're calling a shoulder injury and returns to play after trip to locker room. Mentioned prior concussion in the discussion -- bears watching.
 
I'm starting to get on board with Funchess in Rd.1 after a trade down.
 
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Lucky said:
Michigan's Devin Funchess. He was All Big 10 as a TE in 2013 and moved to WR this season. Doesn't have the deep speed to stay on the outside, so move TE is his likely NFL position.
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Disagree. He's basically Kelvin Benjamin, although being a 20-year old junior instead of a 22-year old sophomore is a plus. Benjamin weighed in 6'5, 243 at Combine and ran a 4.61. Funchess will probably weigh in 6'4, 230 and run in the high 4.5's.

I'm sure some teams will talk themselves into him being a TE, but he can't block worth a lick and would end up being a Jimmy Graham type that is split out running routes on every snap.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm starting to get on board with Funchess in Rd.1 after a trade down.
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Honestly I wouldn't take him in the 1st. He's completely mailed it in during the last half of the season with the team being so bad. Drops 2-3 passes a game, doesn't even try to block, and doesn't run his routes unless he thinks he's getting the ball.

He seems like a good kid off the field but his attitude during a rough year this year has a lot of Michigan fans hoping he'll go pro so they don't have to watch his piss poor effort next year.
 
WolverineFan said:
Honestly I wouldn't take him in the 1st. He's completely mailed it in during the last half of the season with the team being so bad. Drops 2-3 passes a game, doesn't even try to block, and doesn't run his routes unless he thinks he's getting the ball.

He seems like a good kid off the field but his attitude during a rough year this year has a lot of Michigan fans hoping he'll go pro so they don't have to watch his piss poor effort next year.
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You know the Wolverine players much better than I do. The Nfl is a game of matchups and Funchess definitely creates matchup issues. The Texans main problem on offense is they don't have guys that create matchup problems in their receiving corps. Funchess can provide that. What rd would you be willing to pick Funchess in?

I know it's a tough yr to be a Wolverine fan and Funchess appears to have given up on Hoke's regime. It's wrong but I can see where he's coming from. On a side note, have you heard who the Wolverine's are looking at to become the next HC. Is Harbaugh looking for a homecoming?

Something I would look at is extending Mallett on the cheap for 2-3 yrs and drafting

Rd.1 Parker WR
Rd. 2 Funchess TE/WR Funchess working the slot with Parker and Nuke on the outside would create all kinds of matchup problems. Funchess has the ability to learn to be as good a blocker as Graham. Blocking is one of the easier things to learn. Funchess will being a matchup problem in yr 1 will be able to get stronger in yr 2 and become a Jordan Cameron/Graham type weapon.

Drafting these 2 guys would give the Texans something they are really missing on offense right now. (Speed) Hopefully BOB wont be like Kubiak and have avg athletes thinking he is the offensive guru and can out scheme everybody to the tune of 21-24 pts per game.
 
steelbtexan said:
You know the Wolverine players much better than I do. The Nfl is a game of matchups and Funchess definitely creates matchup issues. The Texans main problem on offense is they don't have guys that create matchup problems in their receiving corps. Funchess can provide that. What rd would you be willing to pick Funchess in?
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I would take him 2nd round. He has 1st round measureables for sure, but is raw and has some flaws in his game. He's a "potential" pick. Has great upside but needs to work harder to get there. He can become a matchup problem but needs to become a more complete player to fully take advantage.


steelbtexan said:
I know it's a tough yr to be a Wolverine fan and Funchess appears to have given up on Hoke's regime. It's wrong but I can see where he's coming from. On a side note, have you heard who the Wolverine's are looking at to become the next HC. Is Harbaugh looking for a homecoming?
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I can see where the kid is coming from. With a horrible coaching staff and no QB it must be pretty frustrating. Hate to see a lack of effort from a kid with his talent though. Very Braylon Edwards esque.


steelbtexan said:
Something I would look at is extending Mallett on the cheap for 2-3 yrs and drafting

Rd.1 Parker WR
Rd. 2 Funchess TE/WR Funchess working the slot with Parker and Nuke on the outside would create all kinds of matchup problems. Funchess has the ability to learn to be as good a blocker as Graham. Blocking is one of the easier things to learn. Funchess will being a matchup problem in yr 1 will be able to get stronger in yr 2 and become a Jordan Cameron/Graham type weapon.

Drafting these 2 guys would give the Texans something they are really missing on offense right now. (Speed) Hopefully BOB wont be like Kubiak and have avg athletes thinking he is the offensive guru and can out scheme everybody to the tune of 21-24 pts per game.
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Drafting those guys would certainly help the offense. I honestly think we should shore up the OL and secondary though if we're bringing Mallett back. Skill players on offense can contribute quickly so I'd like to see us shore up problem areas that take longer to develop.
 
@Bah007, I'd like to see your list of 3-4 OLB's. Which college OLB's are big enough and which DE's are agile/athletic enough to make the transition to NFL 3-4 OLB and what rounds do you think they'll go in? I think there's a real possibility that we lose Reed to FA and will then need to replace him with a mid round pick for depth purposes.
 
Wolf6151 said:
@Bah007, I'd like to see your list of 3-4 OLB's. Which college OLB's are big enough and which DE's are agile/athletic enough to make the transition to NFL 3-4 OLB and what rounds do you think they'll go in? I think there's a real possibility that we lose Reed to FA and will then need to replace him with a mid round pick for depth purposes.
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This draft is actually really stacked at the top with guys who can play 34 OLB. As you get into the mid rounds there aren't as many options. For the purpose of replacing Reed you are looking for a SOLB, who you would like to be an edge setter with coverage ability. Clowney and Mercilus both fit in the WOLB category, who are your primary pass rushers. There are some guys in this draft who could fit both roles.

Randy Gregory – Nebraska* WOLB 1st
Shane Ray – Missouri* SOLB 1st
Benardrick McKinney – Mississippi St* SOLB 1st
Alvin Dupree – Kentucky WOLB 1st
Dante Fowler – Florida* OLB 1st
Shilique Calhoun – Michigan St* WOLB 2nd
Hauoli Kikaha – Washington OLB 2nd
Vic Beasley – Clemson SOLB 2nd
Nate Orchard – Utah OLB 2nd
Danielle Hunter – LSU* WOLB 2nd
Lorenzo Mauldin – Louisville OLB 2nd
Kyler Fackrell – Utah St* OLB 3rd
Markus Golden – Missouri OLB 3rd
Trey Flowers – Arkansas WOLB 4th
Tony Washington – Oregon SOLB 4th
Xzavier Dickson – Alabama WOLB 5th
Geneo Grissom – Oklahoma OLB 5th
Devonte Fields – Trinity Valley* WOLB 6th
Martin Ifedi – Memphis WOLB 6th
Ishaq Williams – Notre Dame OLB 7th
Andrew Hudson – Washington OLB 7th
James Vaughters – Stanford SOLB 7th
Jermauria Rasco – LSU OLB 7th
Shaquille Riddick – West Virginia OLB FA
Marcus Rush – Michigan St SOLB FA
Zach Wagenmann – Montana WOLB FA
Blake Leuders – Stanford WOLB FA
Ryan Mueller – Kansas St WOLB FA
 
@Bah007, thanks for the list of potential OLB's for our 3-4. From your list of DT's who do you think could play NT for us and what round? Thanks.
 
Wolf6151 said:
@Bah007, thanks for the list of potential OLB's for our 3-4. From your list of DT's who do you think could play NT for us and what round? Thanks.
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Malcom Brown – DE/NT, Texas* 1st
Eddie Goldman – NT, Florida St* 1st
Danny Shelton – NT, Washington 1st
Carl Davis – DE/NT, Iowa 2nd
Ellis McCarthy – NT, UCLA* 2nd
Tyeler Davison – DE/NT, Fresno St 3rd
Brandon Ivory – NT, Alabama 4th
Terry Williams – NT, ECU 5th
Jeffrey Whitaker – NT, Auburn 7th
Darius Kilgo – NT, Maryland FA

Brown, Davis, and Davison are all guys who are capable of two gapping but it would take away what they do best. You could play them at the nose but you would rather have them at DE where they could be more disruptive.
 
Yea really hope it's not an ACL. If it is you're looking at him dropping a couple rounds just like Colvin did last year because he'll be out until about mid season.
 
bah007 said:
Updated grades on skill players.

WR
1. Kevin White – WR, West Virginia 6-3 209 1st
2. Amari Cooper – WR, Alabama* 6-1 202 1st
3. Rashad Greene – WR, Florida St 6-0 178 1st
4. Jaelen Strong – WR, Arizona St* 6-4 212 1st
5. Devin Funchess – WR, Michigan* 6-5 230 1st
6. Dorial Green-Beckham – WR, Oklahoma* 6-5 225 1st
7. DeVante Parker – WR, Louisville 6-3 209 2nd
8. Sammie Coates – WR, Auburn* 6-2 201 2nd
9. Nelson Agholor – WR, USC* 6-1 190 2nd
10. Ty Montgomery – WR, Stanford 6-2 215 2nd
11. Quinshad Davis – WR, North Carolina* 6-3 205 3rd
12. Stefon Diggs – WR, Maryland* 6-0 195 3rd
13. Josh Harper – WR, Fresno St 6-1 185 3rd
14. Vince Mayle – WR, Washington St 6-3 219 3rd
15. Dhaquille Williams – WR, Auburn* 6-2 216 3rd
16. Tony Lippett – WR, Michigan St 6-3 190 4th
17. Justin Hardy – WR, ECU 6-0 188 4th
18. Tyreek Hill – RB/WR, Oklahoma St* 5-10 185 4th
19. Jordan Taylor – WR, Rice 6-5 210 4th
20. Kasen Williams – WR, Washington 6-2 221 4th
21. Chris Harper – WR, California* 5-11 176 4th
22. Breshad Perriman – WR, UCF* 6-2 214 5th
23. Dres Anderson – WR, Utah 6-2 190 5th
24. Antwan Goodley – WR, Baylor 5-10 225 5th
25. Austin Hill – WR, Arizona 6-2 210 6th
26. Jamison Crowder – WR, Duke 5-9 175 6th
27. Kenny Bell – WR, Nebraska 6-1 185 6th
28. Deontay Greenberry – WR, Houston* 6-3 198 6th
29. Matt Miller – WR/TE, Boise St 6-3 220 6th
30. Tyler Lockett – WR, Kansas St 5-11 175 7th
31. Phillip Dorsett – WR, Miami 5-10 185 7th
32. Titus Davis – WR, Central Michigan 6-2 190 7th
33. Tyler Murphy – WR, Boston College 6-2 214 FA
34. Rannell Hall – WR, UCF 6-1 200 FA
35. Levi Norwood – WR, Baylor 6-1 195 FA
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So the old "news" is Texans will be cutting Andre Johnson because this year's WR draft class is very good/excellent...

Do you agree with that assessment? Compared to 2014's stellar WR class?
 
Playoffs said:
So the old "news" is Texans will be cutting Andre Johnson because this year's WR draft class is very good/excellent...

Do you agree with that assessment? Compared to 2014's stellar WR class?
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According Texans GM Bob McNair, he has promised Andre that he will be a Texan in 2015 and Andre will also retire as a Texan.
 
Playoffs said:
So the old "news" is Texans will be cutting Andre Johnson because this year's WR draft class is very good/excellent...

Do you agree with that assessment? Compared to 2014's stellar WR class?
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This class is strong but last year's was easily better.
 
bah007 said:
This class is strong but last year's was easily better.
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Would you say it is deeper at least? AND I'm intrigued with Funchess because of his ability to swing between WR and TE. It would make mismatches LIKELY throughout the course of the game.
 
Marshall said:
Would you say it is deeper at least? AND I'm intrigued with Funchess because of his ability to swing between WR and TE. It would make mismatches LIKELY throughout the course of the game.
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It's a strong class. I thought last year's was more talented at the top and deeper. But that shouldn't take away from this WR class. It's still a very solid group.

I loved Funchess last year, not so much this year. He's big enough to play some at TE but he's too soft. You could line him up like a TE but you couldn't play him like one. Still a very talented pass catcher though.
 
OT
1. Andrus Peat – OT, Stanford* 6-7 312 1st
2. Jake Fisher – OT, Oregon 6-6 299 1st
3. Cedric Ogbuehi – OT, Texas A&M 6-5 300 1st
4. Brandon Scherff – OT/OG, Iowa 6-5 320 1st
5. Ereck Flowers – OT, Miami* 6-5 322 2nd
6. Ty Sambrailo – OT, Colorado St 6-5 315 2nd
7. T.J. Clemmings – OT, Pittsburgh 6-5 305 2nd
8. LeRaven Clark – OT, Texas Tech* 6-5 320 3rd
9. La’el Collins – OT, LSU 6-5 315 3rd
10. Spencer Drango – OT, Baylor* 6-5 315 3rd
11. Eric Lefeld – OT, Cincinnati 6-6 309 3rd
12. Sean Hickey – OT, Syracuse 6-5 300 3rd
13. Cameron Erving – OT, Florida St 6-5 304 4th
14. Corey Robinson – OT, South Carolina 6-7 348 4th
15. Tyrus Thompson – OT, Oklahoma 6-5 336 4th
16. Mickey Baucus – OT, Arizona 6-7 305 5th
17. Terry Poole – OT, San Diego St 6-5 310 5th
18. Daryl Williams – OT, Oklahoma 6-6 329 6th
19. Jamon Brown – OT, Louisville 6-5 350 6th
20. Austin Shepherd – OT, Alabama 6-5 316 7th
21. Trenton Brown – OT, Florida 6-8 350 7th

Curious how much this has changed.
 
bah007 said:
This class is strong but last year's was easily better.
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I really like Rashard Greene. He reminds me of a young Antonio Brown Hopefully he's got the same work ethic as Brown What is the chances of him falling to the Texans in the 45-50 range? He would solve the slot WR/PR issues. He's as sure handed as it gets.

Give me Clemmings in Rd.1 and Greene in Rd.2 and the offense would look a lot better.
 
steelbtexan said:
I really like Rashard Greene. He reminds me of a young Antonio Brown Hopefully he's got the same work ethic as Brown What is the chances of him falling to the Texans in the 45-50 range? He would solve the slot WR/PR issues. He's as sure handed as it gets.

Give me Clemmings in Rd.1 and Greene in Rd.2 and the offense would look a lot better.
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I like that comparison but he doesn't have Brown's deep speed. Greene is an underneath slot guy who can slip deep occasionally but he's not going to beat NFL CBs over the top consistently.

As a route runner and pass catcher he reminds me of Hines Ward. He's not as physical and not nearly the run blocker, but he'll get his hands dirty.
 
mussop said:
...Curious how much this has changed.
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1. Andrus Peat – OT, Stanford* 6-7 312 1st
2. Ronnie Stanley – OT, Notre Dame* 6-6 318 1st
3. Jake Fisher – OT, Oregon 6-6 299 1st
4. La’el Collins – OT, LSU 6-5 315 1st
5. T.J. Clemmings – OT, Pittsburgh 6-5 305 2nd
6. Ty Sambrailo – OT, Colorado St 6-5 315 2nd
7. Ereck Flowers – OT, Miami* 6-5 322 2nd
8. LeRaven Clark – OT, Texas Tech* 6-5 320 3rd
9. Cedric Ogbuehi – OT, Texas A&M 6-5 300 3rd
10. Sean Hickey – OT, Syracuse 6-5 300 3rd
11. Tyrus Thompson – OT/OG, Oklahoma 6-5 336 4th
12. Corey Robinson – OT, South Carolina 6-7 348 4th
13. Spencer Drango – OT, Baylor* 6-5 315 4th
14. Mickey Baucus – OT, Arizona 6-7 305 5th
15. Terry Poole – OT, San Diego St 6-5 310 5th
16. Eric Lefeld – OT, Cincinnati 6-6 309 6th
17. Daryl Williams – OT, Oklahoma 6-6 329 6th
18. Trenton Brown – OT, Florida 6-8 350 6th
19. Garrett Frye – OT, Georgia Southern 6-5 290 7th
20. Rob Havenstein – OT, Wisconsin 6-8 327 7th
21. Daniel Koenig – OT, Oklahoma St 6-6 300 7th
22. Darrian Miller – OT, Kentucky 6-5 292 FA
 
bah007 said:
1. Andrus Peat – OT, Stanford* 6-7 312 1st
2. Ronnie Stanley – OT, Notre Dame* 6-6 318 1st
3. Jake Fisher – OT, Oregon 6-6 299 1st
4. La’el Collins – OT, LSU 6-5 315 1st
5. T.J. Clemmings – OT, Pittsburgh 6-5 305 2nd
6. Ty Sambrailo – OT, Colorado St 6-5 315 2nd
7. Ereck Flowers – OT, Miami* 6-5 322 2nd
8. LeRaven Clark – OT, Texas Tech* 6-5 320 3rd
9. Cedric Ogbuehi – OT, Texas A&M 6-5 300 3rd
10. Sean Hickey – OT, Syracuse 6-5 300 3rd
11. Tyrus Thompson – OT/OG, Oklahoma 6-5 336 4th
12. Corey Robinson – OT, South Carolina 6-7 348 4th
13. Spencer Drango – OT, Baylor* 6-5 315 4th
14. Mickey Baucus – OT, Arizona 6-7 305 5th
15. Terry Poole – OT, San Diego St 6-5 310 5th
16. Eric Lefeld – OT, Cincinnati 6-6 309 6th
17. Daryl Williams – OT, Oklahoma 6-6 329 6th
18. Trenton Brown – OT, Florida 6-8 350 6th
19. Garrett Frye – OT, Georgia Southern 6-5 290 7th
20. Rob Havenstein – OT, Wisconsin 6-8 327 7th
21. Daniel Koenig – OT, Oklahoma St 6-6 300 7th
22. Darrian Miller – OT, Kentucky 6-5 292 FA
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3rd for Ced Og?? That'd be freaking sweet if we could get that guy in the 3rd. You really think that's possible though?

I know his draft stock is hurting lately because of the move back to RT, but that's what I'd want him to be on this team, and he was a pretty bad-A RT IMO.
 
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3rd for Ced Og?? That'd be freaking sweet if we could get that guy in the 3rd. You really think that's possible though?

I know his draft stock is plummeting lately because of the move back to RT, but that's what I'd want him to be on this team, and he was a pretty bad-A RT IMO.
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I don't know if he'll make it to the third but I wouldn't take him before that.

I heard all offseason how A&M had this stud OT who was just as good as the last two so maybe I went in with my expectations too high, but he just doesn't impress me. And I mean he doesn't impress me at all. He's got good size and good feet. Other than that, meh. I definitely see the potential. He's a good specimen.

He's not an absolute no. I think he could be coached up into a good player. But he's a no before round three, for me at least. I think with him people are seeing what could be instead of what is.
 
I definitely agree with bah007 here. His talent does not match the hype. He was touted as a top 20 pick coming into the season and I don't see it at all. This should be a very good draft for OT's and I would shoot him way down the list behind a lot of these guys.
 
Good info yall, thanks. I guess my fantasy football eyes (impact offensive positions) have failed me here.

I liked the guy quite a bit, but I understand when I am likely wrong.
 
1a. La’el Collins – OT, LSU 6-5 315 1st
1b. Ronnie Stanley – OT, Notre Dame* 6-6 318 1st
3. Brandon Scherff - OT, Iowa 6-5 320 1st
4. T.J. Clemmings – OT, Pittsburgh 6-5 305 late 1st early 2nd
5. Jake Fisher – OT, Oregon 6-6 299 1st late 1st early 2nd




This is my top 5 right now. IMO Peat will be the big name that falls in this draft. He is on the ground way too much for my liking. I think he will have to be a RT in the NFL. Collins and Stanley will fight it out for the top choice followed closely by Screrff who was up and down this year. I love Clemmings mobility. He is probably the best out of all these guys at getting to the second level.

I totally agree with you on Cedric Ogbuehi. He will get exposed at the combine. Can't believe how many people have this guy rated in the top ten. He's got decent technique but he's going to have to get a lot stronger if he ever wants play on Sundays.
 
bah007 said:
WR
1. Kevin White – WR, West Virginia 6-3 209 1st
2. Amari Cooper – WR, Alabama* 6-1 202 1st
3. Rashad Greene – WR, Florida St 6-0 178 1st
4. Jaelen Strong – WR, Arizona St* 6-4 212 1st
5. Devin Funchess – WR, Michigan* 6-5 230 1st
6. Dorial Green-Beckham – WR, Oklahoma* 6-5 225 1st
7. DeVante Parker – WR, Louisville 6-3 209 2nd
8. Sammie Coates – WR, Auburn* 6-2 201 2nd
9. Nelson Agholor – WR, USC* 6-1 190 2nd
10. Ty Montgomery – WR, Stanford 6-2 215 2nd
11. Quinshad Davis – WR, North Carolina* 6-3 205 3rd
12. Stefon Diggs – WR, Maryland* 6-0 195 3rd
13. Josh Harper – WR, Fresno St 6-1 185 3rd
14. Vince Mayle – WR, Washington St 6-3 219 3rd
15. Dhaquille Williams – WR, Auburn* 6-2 216 3rd
16. Tony Lippett – WR, Michigan St 6-3 190 4th
17. Justin Hardy – WR, ECU 6-0 188 4th
18. Tyreek Hill – RB/WR, Oklahoma St* 5-10 185 4th
19. Jordan Taylor – WR, Rice 6-5 210 4th
20. Kasen Williams – WR, Washington 6-2 221 4th
21. Chris Harper – WR, California* 5-11 176 4th
22. Breshad Perriman – WR, UCF* 6-2 214 5th
23. Dres Anderson – WR, Utah 6-2 190 5th
24. Antwan Goodley – WR, Baylor 5-10 225 5th
25. Austin Hill – WR, Arizona 6-2 210 6th
26. Jamison Crowder – WR, Duke 5-9 175 6th
27. Kenny Bell – WR, Nebraska 6-1 185 6th
28. Deontay Greenberry – WR, Houston* 6-3 198 6th
29. Matt Miller – WR/TE, Boise St 6-3 220 6th
30. Tyler Lockett – WR, Kansas St 5-11 175 7th
31. Phillip Dorsett – WR, Miami 5-10 185 7th
32. Titus Davis – WR, Central Michigan 6-2 190 7th
33. Tyler Murphy – WR, Boston College 6-2 214 FA
34. Rannell Hall – WR, UCF 6-1 200 FA
35. Levi Norwood – WR, Baylor 6-1 195 FA
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Firstly, I see you have Devante Parker a little lower than some on the board?

Second, I'm going to get Dr. CND on this...
University of Louisville wide receiver DeVante Parker suffered a broken fifth metatarsal in his left foot on Friday and planned to have surgery on Monday afternoon, U of L coach Bobby Petrino said.

Parker, a senior, visited an orthopedic specialist in Charlotte, N.C., on Monday morning for further evaluation after telling his grandfather that his foot "twisted funny" during Friday's intrasquad scrimmage.

The timeline for Parker's return from the surgery is "6-8 weeks"...
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Whenever I see "broken foot" I star hearing lisfranc and :firehair:
 
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Firstly, I see you have Devante Parker a little lower than some on the board?

Second, I'm going to get Dr. CND on this...
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Whenever I see "broken foot" I star hearing lisfranc and :firehair:
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I have Parker as my #1 WR now. At that time, he had pretty much barely played because he was still recovering from an offseason injury. As the season went on and he got healthier he started playing at a different level than the other top WR prospects.

I hadn't heard about a new foot injury. Hopefully it's nothing major. I think Parker has real potential.
 
bah007 said:
I have Parker as my #1 WR now....
I hadn't heard about a new foot injury. Hopefully it's nothing major. I think Parker has real potential.
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Playoffs said:
My bad, added link. Happened in August.
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Parker had a Jones Fracture, which Dr. CND has told me has a decent chance of re-injury but a good outlook for recovery and play.

WR Cam Worthy from ECU just had same injury at practice before Medal of Honor Bowl that airs today at 1:30PM on NBCSports channel.
 
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