This. Plus the fact that our colors and logo are tight, not some nasty shade of brown that makes you think of things better left unsaid.
That, and our owner wasn't stupid and wasted a pick on Manziel.
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I Luv The Guy, But Andre Is Done
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This. Plus the fact that our colors and logo are tight, not some nasty shade of brown that makes you think of things better left unsaid.
That, and our owner wasn't stupid and wasted a pick on Manziel.
Yeah, hopefully O'Brien can make the team into a consistent winner faster in less than 3 years. It's difficult to wait too long, which is why I hope we do have something to work with in Mallett or Savage because having a franchise qb can really help speed up the process like what Payton did in New Orleans.
infantrycak
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Unless you were reading the news.
That's like trying to decide if it's better to have a case of the runs or repeatedly vomit.
infantrycak
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Am I in public?
Exactly .. and who has been the ONLY QB to throw consistent TD passes to Andre ... yep that would be the terrible Case Keenum ...
Funny how everyone makes excuses for Fitz when they destroyed Keenum under the same circumstances. How much experience does Fitz have versus Keenum last year? Let's see, wasn't Case playing scout team safety the week before he became a starter for the first time.
AJ knows that he has no chance with our current QBs and offensive scheme.
Texan_Bill
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Texecutioner
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You are dead wrong about that. We are the same. You just can't make yourself admit it. One more winning season?? Really? That 9-7 season which was Kubiak's worst coaching season where the Patriots took out their starters in the last game of the season around the 3rd quarter?? That year we should have been 11-5 and gone to the playoffs if it wasn't for Kubiak's horrible love syndrome for Chris Brown the RB who ruined 3 games for us right at the end of the game. That season was awful. We are no different than the Browns.
Texecutioner
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Do any of you hero worshiping fans even realize that AJ is making like 10 Million a season and is one of the highest paid WR's in the league? And yet, you guys are whining for him as if he is on welfare or being bullied by Bob Mcnair. Lol!
This is seriously one of the most pathetic threads I've ever seen in here. AJ could have possibly been traded if his dumbass wasn't listening to some drunk Uncle of his who was managing him that told him to wait until the end of the off season to demand a trade. THAT is why AJ IS STUCK IN THIS SITUATION. The Texans couldn't trade AJ!! He makes to much money for a guy his age and no team will take on that huge contract especially right before pre season when most teams have spread their cap space out and brought in to many player's salaries. AJ needs to deal with the situation that he created for himself in the NFL which was to be loyal to the Texans. Sometimes players have blind loyalty and I'd say that AJ has had that for years. He never pressured the Texans to become more active in free agency. He is quiet and doesn't say much. He waited until the end of the off season, and now he is stuck with the Texans, and he won't get traded in the off season either unless he restructures his contract big time. NO TEAM IN THE NFL will trade for AJ with his current contract especially after this season. AJ is stuck with the Texans and if he doesn't like being here for 10 Mill a season or whatever he is getting then shut up and retire. This team is trying to move forward.
This is seriously one of the most pathetic threads I've ever seen in here. AJ could have possibly been traded if his dumbass wasn't listening to some drunk Uncle of his who was managing him that told him to wait until the end of the off season to demand a trade. THAT is why AJ IS STUCK IN THIS SITUATION. The Texans couldn't trade AJ!! He makes to much money for a guy his age and no team will take on that huge contract especially right before pre season when most teams have spread their cap space out and brought in to many player's salaries. AJ needs to deal with the situation that he created for himself in the NFL which was to be loyal to the Texans. Sometimes players have blind loyalty and I'd say that AJ has had that for years. He never pressured the Texans to become more active in free agency. He is quiet and doesn't say much. He waited until the end of the off season, and now he is stuck with the Texans, and he won't get traded in the off season either unless he restructures his contract big time. NO TEAM IN THE NFL will trade for AJ with his current contract especially after this season. AJ is stuck with the Texans and if he doesn't like being here for 10 Mill a season or whatever he is getting then shut up and retire. This team is trying to move forward.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
If this is the game I'm thinking about, didn't the Patriots bring Tom Brady "back in the game", no?? BECAUSE, THAT HAPPENED!
Texecutioner
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He was taken out on the final drive. He played the majority of the game, but Welker was knocked out for the remainder of the season. The majority of their core starters were taken out in the 3rd quarter though. The Patriots had their playoff and division locked up already and had nothing to play for in that game. BB just wanted to try and get a win any way and keep their momentum, but he wasn't going to play everyone all game long.
infantrycak
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And in 3 more years those kinds of things never happened to the Browns.
Why? Because they weren't even close and your hate blinds you to the difference.
Why? Because they weren't even close and your hate blinds you to the difference.
Texecutioner
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My hate? Lol! I gave you pure facts that you really can't dispute. And hate for what? The Texans? You going to make a reach like that just to dispute the fact that we aren't just like the Browns. We had a worse record last season and so far we do this season. Realistically we've only had two winning seasons here since our existence. We've been one of the most pathetic teams in the league and the majority of that time was spend under Kubiak. The only thing being blinded is your homerism.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
LOL - game over.
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humblegeo
Guest
If he's done it's because of his frustration with the quarterback situation that ownership and management has created for the players and fans. With the draft possibilities we had, the funds available, all the options that must have been available, we wind up with a quarterback reject that had played for now 5 different NFL teams and hasn't been successful with any of them. Did they actually think the Houston fans were going to accept this crap??
Aren't you?
infantrycak
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It's not all about the draft.
badboy
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I addressed vet free agent and draft unless you think we have at minimum a WR 2 on roster what other option?
I understand that it's slim we sign a fa to start, but if AJ retires will that free up cap room? Isn't the fa class in 2015 pretty deep for receiver?
infantrycak
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I think it is safe to say we have a #2 WR on the roster.
badboy
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Well 26 YOA Jeremy Macklin might be a starting point after he demolished Texans but he made $5.3 million this season so would maybe put us back into high dollar range; only 6' but a burner as we know, not sure why he'd come here or any other FA actually. I'm sure I am over looking someone.
badboy
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Way to jump right out there with a bold nomination...how about a name?
infantrycak
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You mean like Jeremy Maclin the 1st round receiver about to hit his 1st 1000 yd season in his 6th year? Or say one of the freaking obvious ones like AJ and Hopkins either of whom would be at least a #2?
No need to have names to respond to silly assumptions.
And psst - Fitz isn't starting next year either.
I'm sure their teams will try to retain them but Britt, Royal, Torrey Smith, Randall Cobb, DHB, Hakeem Nicks not to mention Dez Bryant and Mike Crabtree.
I know it's slight, but if we don't have AJ and depending on cap space...
badboy
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Man get some sleep or read my posts correctly. I mentioned several posts back if AJ is gone, who would we match with Hopkins; either he would remain #2 or become #1 if Johnson gone. If AJ is gone as I stated, how can he be #2 or # anything?..
I also said I did not see free agency as an option and then listed some possible draft pick and you jumped all over as you do frequently when I mention draft.
Macklin was a response to a poster asking about depth of WR free agents which I do not agree with him is deep. http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/wide-receiver/
As I have said repeatedly, I expect AJ to be on roster 2015.
badboy
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Never a fan of Posey, he did have good preseason but he cannot get on field or beat out Demarius Johnson? He better hope his issue is coaches dog house or he will continue to be paid for basically nothing.
Posey?
For the record, asking a question and making an assertion are two different animals
badboy
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I interpreted your question in the context of the flow of the thread as you thought FA was deep for wide receivers.
edit I just read my post saying "difficult to get a vet FA" and then your question and it still seems to me you were disagreeing with my position and saying you thought it was the opposite. More of an assertion than a question..to me and why I responded as I did.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Posey?
That's what I was thinking.
badboy
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Can you or TK explain why you think Posey will go from not being active to WR 2? Not arguing just trying to see why you think so.
I honestly can't explain why this staff has done half the stuff they do. But you can't tell me Damaris & Keyshawn are better than Posey. From what I've seen, we could have traded for Calvin Johnson with a future 7th rounder & he'd be riding the pine if he can't return punts.
When was the last time Damaris returned a punt or kick off anyway?
klockWork
Rookie
Two things that separate the greats QB from the not so great. Their ability to perform late in games AND their ability to make the 2nd and 3rd best wrs productive. That's who AJ has become. A second fiddle instrument being played by an artist with second thoughts.
The best WR of the team will always get their stats, no matter the quality of the starting QB. That's a proven fact. Desean Jackson is getting his while his QB is rg3, Cousins, and McCoy. Josh Gordon lead the league in receiving last year with Hoyer, Larry Fitzgerald had 1400 yards with Skelton & Kolb. And AJ playing with 3 of the worst QB last year managed 1400 yards also. Why? Because he was obviously still the best WR on our roster that year.
AJ is still very capable of putting up all-pro numbers but ONLY if his QB believes he is the best WR on the team. Unfortunately for him someone like Deandre Hopkins is on this team and he has a head start in running this campaign to be #1 at his position and AJ is too old to catch up at this point. He has no one to blame but himself.
And the more confidence Fitzpatrick has in Hopkins the more AJ will fade. When your QB is not great that's the casulty of being second best.
The best WR of the team will always get their stats, no matter the quality of the starting QB. That's a proven fact. Desean Jackson is getting his while his QB is rg3, Cousins, and McCoy. Josh Gordon lead the league in receiving last year with Hoyer, Larry Fitzgerald had 1400 yards with Skelton & Kolb. And AJ playing with 3 of the worst QB last year managed 1400 yards also. Why? Because he was obviously still the best WR on our roster that year.
AJ is still very capable of putting up all-pro numbers but ONLY if his QB believes he is the best WR on the team. Unfortunately for him someone like Deandre Hopkins is on this team and he has a head start in running this campaign to be #1 at his position and AJ is too old to catch up at this point. He has no one to blame but himself.
And the more confidence Fitzpatrick has in Hopkins the more AJ will fade. When your QB is not great that's the casulty of being second best.
Scooter
Funky
i've taken a couple weeks off, but apparently it wasnt long enough. threads like this, supported by the lowest newcomers, are why i couldn't take it any more. obviously DB, cak, herv and vinny are losing the battle.
andre johnson is as good as he wants to be. he went off WITH someone worth playing for in case keenum. had it not been the most cursed season i've seen in my 30+ years, andre could've gone for 1700+ yards (instead of his pedestrian 1400). he went off ON someone he respected but knew was done in matt schaub - walking off the field. he's there again. the give a damn is gone. andre could be at 800 yards and 5 touchdowns right now, easily. that however would require a quarterback who could throw a full route tree, and a coach that could even identify a route tree.
how many of yall have actually watched the receivers this year? it's juvenile. past juvenile, i was both running and covering better routes in junior highschool. watch the receivers.
andre johnson is as good as he wants to be. he went off WITH someone worth playing for in case keenum. had it not been the most cursed season i've seen in my 30+ years, andre could've gone for 1700+ yards (instead of his pedestrian 1400). he went off ON someone he respected but knew was done in matt schaub - walking off the field. he's there again. the give a damn is gone. andre could be at 800 yards and 5 touchdowns right now, easily. that however would require a quarterback who could throw a full route tree, and a coach that could even identify a route tree.
how many of yall have actually watched the receivers this year? it's juvenile. past juvenile, i was both running and covering better routes in junior highschool. watch the receivers.
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Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I know it's only one play for now, but I will finish the others and show you that defenses still respect Dre and do not believe he is any way washed up. His effort may not be as high as before, but I think he does not like being used as a decoy as I said before which is exactly what happens in this play.
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Norg
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I doubt it Andre has seen many QB's come and go LOL
EllisUnit
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Yeah but others have always gotten him the ball.
Norg
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he has always gotten the ball even with Matt and Carr
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
I know, not as much with Fitz is what i was saying.
eriadoc
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You can point to the QB and rightfully point out that he sucks. But Hopkins has 121 more receiving yards on 6 fewer catches with the same QB. He's averaging 16.3 yards a catch and AJ is averaging 11.7 a catch. The last time AJ averaged that low was 2005 and 2006, but no one else on the team outperformed him. The only other receivers in the top 25 for yardage that average that low are TEs and Julian Edelman. This is the first time since his first two years that he's on pace for less than 100 catches in a full season. He's on pace for about 85 catches, 998 yards, and 2 TDs. We'll call it 1000 yards to make it look better.
AJ may not be done, but he is without a doubt not the dynamic player he was before having the hamstring clipped. So he'll have to get by on technique and veteran wiles, which takes a decent amount of give-a-damn. He doesn't seem to have that, to my eyes. Or maybe I'm attributing his relatively poor performance to give-a-damn when I should recognize he's done. I guess we'll find out. Fact is, he's having one of his worst seasons.
AJ may not be done, but he is without a doubt not the dynamic player he was before having the hamstring clipped. So he'll have to get by on technique and veteran wiles, which takes a decent amount of give-a-damn. He doesn't seem to have that, to my eyes. Or maybe I'm attributing his relatively poor performance to give-a-damn when I should recognize he's done. I guess we'll find out. Fact is, he's having one of his worst seasons.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
the offense doesn't create wide open WR's with the playaction like in Kubiak's offense. I think it's really stupid to speculate on his "heart" or "willingness" when all we are seeing is OTA broadcasts of the games and nothing else. It's all armchair HC'ing when somebody tries to assert that they know better than anybody else on this message board.
Andre looks a little slower this year than in the past, but the passing game is a lot different than what it was 2006-2013. Routes are different, playcalling is different and there's actually a young stud next to him, not some combination of potential and and never was. I'd rather let the season play-out because nobody is cutting Andre Johnson mid season for cap savings, so he's going to be out there (injury notwithstanding) and will accumulate stats whether people on this board like it or not. And I prefer it that way because many people here have many bad ideas about what the Texans should do to their roster.
Andre looks a little slower this year than in the past, but the passing game is a lot different than what it was 2006-2013. Routes are different, playcalling is different and there's actually a young stud next to him, not some combination of potential and and never was. I'd rather let the season play-out because nobody is cutting Andre Johnson mid season for cap savings, so he's going to be out there (injury notwithstanding) and will accumulate stats whether people on this board like it or not. And I prefer it that way because many people here have many bad ideas about what the Texans should do to their roster.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Is this what Andre meant during that last interview when he said he should go to some island:
https://maps.google.com/maps?rlz=1T4GUEA_enUS598US598&q=Mallet+Island,+Division+No.+10,+Subd.+E,+NL,+Canada&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=nZJaVIq0CMmuyATtt4LwCw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&output=classic&dg=brw
https://maps.google.com/maps?rlz=1T4GUEA_enUS598US598&q=Mallet+Island,+Division+No.+10,+Subd.+E,+NL,+Canada&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=nZJaVIq0CMmuyATtt4LwCw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&output=classic&dg=brw
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Posey should be playing.
I got the special teams thing at first, but I think as a WR Posey brings much more to the table than Demaris or Keyshawn...
I got the special teams thing at first, but I think as a WR Posey brings much more to the table than Demaris or Keyshawn...
maybe he just can't "get it"
Only reason I can think of for him not playing if healthy
I agree many times over he should be playing. He's shown he can make plays at wideout.
Hell, he isn't exactly bringing much less to table on special teams than they are as is ...