Adrian Peterson has been indicted

[Playoffs]

The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands.

Tom E. Curran ‏@tomecurran

Nobody gives a **** about you turning out OK because/even though/in spite of your parents beating you. A guy whipped a 4-year-old.

Louis Riddick ‏@LRiddickESPN

Unreal...http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/ …

So this is a normal "whooping", huh? Really? To a 4 year old boy? http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/adrian-peterson-indicted-for-child-abuse/ …

Anyone have a PED to counteract "stupid"?

Greg Gabriel ‏@greggabe

I'm getting tweets from people who actually feel AP was justified because he was disciplining his child, #sickminds

Deactivating AP is not enough..... Release him now!!!!

If there isn't more outrage towards Adrian Peterson than Ray Rice, there is something deeply wrong with this country

I have two 3 year old grand daughters. How can anyone hurt someone that small and beautiful?

AP's attorney says " he's a loving father" ... Bullshit, he's a monster. Ban for life for beating a 4yr old

Peterson should be "whooped" himself!!

After seeing the pics, I'm disgusted. Peterson beat a 4 yr old. He should not be allowed to play again. As bad or worse than Rice

Different world today than when I was a kid. Once got whacked by a 3 wood when I got out of line. Still gives me nightmares 50 yrs later

If the Vikings and the league are smart, they won't let Peterson play until this case is settled. They have to take a stand

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer

There are lots of things through history where someone could say "that's the way my parents did it" that still wouldn't be the right thing.

 

[Marshall]

Correct, injuries are the key. Texas is not anti-corporal punishment.

I sure hope the NFL doesn't rush to judgment on this in hopes of making up for Rice.

I'd like to know what the injuries were before jumping on this bandwagon. Were they minor enough that his story of unintentional injury seems credible? I believe in discipline including corporal punishment, but it has to be used in a way which does not injure the child. But accidents do happen. But the extent of the injury is critical information. Was it a red bottom, welts, or lacerations? Each is progressively worse and less likely an accident.

The timing is awful.

The reports emphasize the use of switches and not the injuries, so I'm suspicious about this simply being an attack on corporal punishment. Again, the goal is discipline without injury.

 

[Marshall]

Did you not see the pictures?


Sent from the future...

No. I did not.

 

[Marshall]

Internet ahoy, judge, jury, and execution.

Hell my dad took a belt to my ass it was black and blue for a few days easily, but you know what when my buddies wanted to do stupid **** again, hell no I didn't go.

They got grounded.. I got my ass beat.. I learned.. Each child is different and you have to discipline them as differently as well.

I raised four boys and they definitely reacted differently to various types of discipline. But I left the disciplining of my daughter to my ex. If you get their attention early, you can use less physical discipline as they get older when it ceases to be effective.

My dad always got me with a one two approach. First the lecture, then the application of discipline to reinforce the lecture. The lecture was worse.

 

[TheDrifter]

But the extent of the injury is critical information. Was it a red bottom, welts, or lacerations? Each is progressively worse and less likely an accident.

Of your three, I'd choose laceration. He pretty clearly drew some blood.

A few photos are on the front page of TMZ. Im not going to dig for the rest...

 

[Marshall]

Of your three, I'd choose laceration. He pretty clearly drew some blood.

A few photos are on the front page of TMZ. Im not going to dig for the rest...

I just saw the photos. I'd be mortified if my discipline had resulted in this.

Of course I had far worse done to me at school. I should have turned in that homework, even if I had no clue how to do it.

 

[kingtexan]

I think I'd have to see the injuries...If getting hit with a switch a lone is cause for arrest most of the old women in my family would have records...

From what was reported that was just the last in a series of harsh physical abuse to this four year old. Kid had cuts on his scrotum from the last switching, and told authorities he had been "punched in the face" by his father. Four year old ...

Someone needs to beat the **** out of Adrian Peterson.

 

[gtexan02]

I just saw the photos. I'd be mortified if my discipline had resulted in this.

Of course I had far worse done to me at school. I should have turned in that homework, even if I had no clue how to do it.

Don't forget the photos were days old
And only taken after the child returned home and his other took him to the doctor

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

It's the white mans fault. During slavery black people learned this type of beating from the overseers. /dex

But seriously, as someone that grew up getting spanking, those photos are disturbing. Now, I get the learned behavior thing. I have spent a good chunk of my childhood in the country with great grandparents, grandparents....I heard stories about all kinds of stuff including spankings. Switches, paddles, pops to the mouth...but I don't know if I ever remember a story about someone being shredded...especially not that young...

Maybe adrian grew up where that type of thing was common place. If he did in fact spank the kid to that degree then he should be punished IMO. I won't get too deep into all the learned behavior stuff and what's socially accepted...I just think it's wrong to shred a kid like that...if he indeed caused those injuries to that degree.

 

[toronto]

There is no act and no one that can justify this to me. Unreal. What the hell could a 4 year old do to possibly deserve that? And as Yvette said, this kid just learned what to do when he's a dad. Its passed down and learned behaviour.

 

[Pollardized]

There is no at and no one that can justify this to me. Unreal. What the hell could a 4 year old do to possibly deserve that? And as Yvette said, this kid just learned what to do when he's a dad. Its passed down and learned behaviour.

You and I finally agree on something. No justification for this.

 

[Playoffs]

Old school switching rules...

1. Never discipline your child when you're angry,
2. Always count how many times you pop them,
3. Never ever hit them in the scrotum.​

 

[EllisUnit]

My parents would be serving time on death row if they consider that child abuse. I agree that you can go to far, but i am the same and "yes i spank my kids" Generally with a belt or my hand, but if i spank them and they dont cry i spank them harder, so if that is true i do see that side of it.

I have left whelps, dont remember ever leaving any bruises. I am not as hard on my kids when it comes to spanking them as my parents were on me though.

Yes i think AP went to far, there is a difference between discipline and abuse.

 

[EllisUnit]

Old school switching rules...

1. Never discipline your child when you're angry,
2. Always count how many times you pop them,
3. Never ever hit them in the scrotum.​

I agree with all these, but who would seriously do #3 that is just wrong on so many levels. I would like to hope no one here would ever do that.

 

[EllisUnit]

There is no at and no one that can justify this to me. Unreal. What the hell could a 4 year old do to possibly deserve that? And as Yvette said, this kid just learned what to do when he's a dad. Its passed down and learned behaviour.

The last part to me is BS, i had an abusive father who generally beat me and my mother. Going through that made me a better person, and has made me a better father.

 

[klockWork]

I received some legendary whooping during my innocence. Sometimes there were bleeding, bruises, and cuts. But they were always from a result of me not staying still during the lashing. I can't speak for the child but if he made himself a moving target I can see how some of the injuries could have occurred.

 

[EllisUnit]

I received some legendary whooping during my innocence. Sometimes there were bleeding, bruises, and cuts. But they were always from a result of me not staying still during the lashing. I can't speak for the child but if he made himself a moving target I can see how some of the injuries could have occurred.

Very true, i have hit my kids in places i did not mean to or want to because they start jumping around. I jumped around as a kid to when i was getting spankings, it's just kids nature, no kid wants a spanking haha.

 

[jaayteetx]

I don't spank my daughter. To me, what the hell kind of sense does it make to tell your children not to hit when you yourself turn around and do it to them. Talk about mixed signals. You leave bruises, welps and cause bleeding, yep, thats child abuse in my book. Think about it, anyone else does that do a child and its assault but in some peoples mind, because they are the child's parents, its "discipline". Seems very irrational to me.

 

[Playoffs]

...a result of me not staying still during the lashing.

Because children should to be able to stand perfectly still and take it.

Never understood that.

In prisons in Singapore they strap men into a stand before beating/caning them.

 

[toronto]

The last part to me is BS, i had an abusive father who generally beat me and my mother. Going through that made me a better person, and has made me a better father.

So did I. Consider ourselves the exception not the rule.

 

[toronto]

The last part to me is BS, i had an abusive father who generally beat me and my mother. Going through that made me a better person, and has made me a better father.

Also, were you beaten like this as a 4 year old? What on earth crime could a 4 year old commit to deserve that? I got the belt and wooden spoon but my god not at 4.

 

[EllisUnit]

Also, were you beaten like this as a 4 year old? What on earth crime could a 4 year old commit to deserve that? I got the belt and wooden spoon but my god not at 4.

NEVERMIND all that was a little to personal.

Ok dont want to derail the thread, i do agree AP went to far. But in general i see no problem with a good old fashioned spanking, just to teach a lesson. But i in no way agree with inflicting permanent or mental pain upon a child.

 

[False Start]

Very true, i have hit my kids in places i did not mean to or want to because they start jumping around. I jumped around as a kid to when i was getting spankings, it's just kids nature, no kid wants a spanking haha.

Yep. I learned really quick to TRY and stay as still as possible. Oh, and whatever I did, NEVER grab the belt/switch... that just caused more licks.

 

[EllisUnit]

Yep. I learned really quick to TRY and stay as still as possible. Oh, and whatever I did, NEVER grab the belt/switch... that just caused more licks.

Yep haha. I also learned if i stayed still and just took it since i was going to get them anyways i got less and they weren't as hard.

 

[Dan B.]

Doesn't sound like he was wriggling around or avoiding the beating. Peterson was quoted as saying the reason he kept hitting his son is because he wasn't crying, so he didn't know how much damage he was inflicting.

Peterson also expressed regret that his son did not cry – because then, Peterson said, he would have known that the switch was doing more damage than intended. He didn’t realize the “tip of the switch and the ridges of the switch were wrapping around [the child’s] legs.” Peterson also acknowledged that this was administered directly to the child’s skin and with the child’s pants pulled down.

 

[EllisUnit]

Doesn't sound like he was wriggling around or avoiding the beating. Peterson was quoted as saying the reason he kept hitting his son is because he wasn't crying, so he didn't know how much damage he was inflicting.

Kid must be really tough, hell i would cry even if it didn't hurt just so they would hopefully stop.... Rare to see a baby that age not cry when getting spankings, even if it don't hurt physically usually it emotionally hurts them. That part of the story is hard to believe.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Kid must be really tough, hell i would cry even if it didn't hurt just so they would hopefully stop.... Rare to see a baby that age not cry when getting spankings, even if it don't hurt physically usually it emotionally hurts them. That part of the story is hard to believe.

As if this Peterson story is not bad enough on its face, I see something much more bothersome and sinister. I've taken care of quite of few young kids surgically that have had terrible experiences with abuse, such as boiling oil poured over their heads sustaining burns exposing bare skull, broken ribs and limbs and noses from beatings, 3rd degree burns from being submersed in tubs of scalding hot water. Many of these children reportedly never cried........and some, despite their serious injuries, never cried at the time of my initial meeting with them. As I learned over a very short period of time dealing with these children, when a child is exposed to repeated physical abuse (but sometimes with mental abuse also), during the beatings, they essentially leave this world in mind........and hide in their own little made-up world.....another world that allows them to feel no pain while feeling protected. I strongly believe that Peterson's son is one of those unfortunate children whose affect tells us the story of not only one "accidental" severe "whooping," but of a trail of many leading to it.

 

[EllisUnit]

As if this Peterson story is not bad enough on its face, I see something much more bothersome and sinister. I've taken care of quite of few young kids surgically that have had terrible experiences with abuse, such as boiling oil poured over their heads sustaining burns exposing bare skull, broken ribs and limbs and noses from beatings, 3rd degree burns from being submersed in tubs of scalding hot water. Many of these children reportedly never cried........and some, despite their serious injuries, never cried at the time of my initial meeting with them. As I learned over a very short period of time dealing with these children, when a child is exposed to repeated physical abuse (but sometimes with mental abuse also), during the beatings, they essentially leave this world in mind........and hide in their own little made-up world.....another world that allows them to feel no pain while feeling protected. I strongly believe that Peterson's son is one of those unfortunate children whose affect tells us the story of not only one "accidental" severe "whooping," but of a trail of many leading to it.

I could see that as the case WHICH IS SAD, i guess it's a good sign my kids cry before i even spank them then.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

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Report: Vikings won’t cut Adrian Peterson, might trade him
Posted by Darin Gantt on September 15, 2014, 6:02 AM EDT
Patriots Vikings Football AP

The Vikings have initially taken an “all options on the table” approach to the future of running back Adrian Peterson, but one report says the scope is narrower than that.

According to Bart Hubbuch of the New York Post, the “only certainty is Peterson won’t be released” as a result of his indictment on felony child abuse charges in Texas.

That leaves continued deactivation as an option (at least for three weeks, since it’s a de facto suspension), and the possibility exists for a trade as well.

A trade would be difficult to pull off because of finances and public image, but it doesn’t seem out of the question. Owner Zygi Wilf scheduled a conference call Sunday night with General Manager Rick Spielman and coach Mike Zimmer to discuss their next move.

 

[toronto]

This story just sickens and saddens me. All I got.

 

[infantrycak]

During an NFL pre-game Sunday morning, former NBA star Charles Barkley said that whipping or spanking a child was par for the course in the south, and that the media needed to be more careful distinguishing “child rearing” from “child abuse” before lecturing others on how to raise their kids. The discussion came after NFL star Adrian Peterson turned himself in to authorities last week for a felony charge of child abuse.

“I’m from the south,” Barkley said. “Whipping, we do that all the time. Every black parent in the south is going to be in jail under those circumstances. I think we have to be careful letting people dictate how they treat their kids.”

“Doesn’t matter where you’re from,” host Jim Rome countered. “Right is right, wrong is wrong.”

“I don’t believe that because, listen, we spank kids in the south,” Barkley said. “I think the question about did Adrian Peterson go overboard? But we all grew up in different environments. Every black parent in my neighborhood in the south would be in trouble, or in jail under those circumstances.”

Link

 

[gtexan02]

Charles Barkley is also >50 years old. Times change, and as we learn more about the pros and cons of our actions, so do laws and expectations.

Corporal punishment is a dying practice.

Definitions of abuse in these cases are often left to the people, not explicitly stated by laws. As views change, those definitions shift as well.

More than state legislatures or the courts, it is ordinary people who are tightening the legal standard on corporal punishment given that it's often a jury that decides whether force was "reasonable." As views change, Vieth says it's become easier to prosecute abuse cases.

"If you get to the point where you're drawing blood and there are multiple cuts and bruises, most prosecutors today would file charges and most jurors would say that's out of bounds because very few parents engage in striking their children at that level anymore," Vieth says.

Individuals can have opinions about whether this is good or bad, but the reality is that doesn't matter. We live in a society where the will of the population as a whole matters. It's only a matter of time until the widepsread acceptance of corporal punishment dies out. The writing is on the wall. So you can either adapt or you can complain and go to jail. Just because something used to be accepted 50 years ago, doesn't mean its acceptable now.

 

[Yvette]

Not very many people who maintain a loving and respectful relationship with their grandparents and parents are willing to call them abusers.

I finally watched 12 Years a Slave about a week ago. That was the first thing that came to mind when this story broke.

 

[steelbtexan]

Charles Barkley is also >50 years old. Times change, and as we learn more about the pros and cons of our actions, so do laws and expectations.

Corporal punishment is a dying practice.

Definitions of abuse in these cases are often left to the people, not explicitly stated by laws. As views change, those definitions shift as well.



Individuals can have opinions about whether this is good or bad, but the reality is that doesn't matter. We live in a society where the will of the population as a whole matters. It's only a matter of time until the widepsread acceptance of corporal punishment dies out. The writing is on the wall. So you can either adapt or you can complain and go to jail. Just because something used to be accepted 50 years ago, doesn't mean its acceptable now.

You mean like 50 yrs ago there wasn't a welfare state and now there is one? Yes times in fact do change. Personal responsibility has left the building for good and this includes AP's in this situation.

Just remember the govt always knows best and nobody is responsible for much of anything anymore unless the govt says they are. Welcome to the police state I hope you're enjoying the ride.

 

[TD]

I have come to the conclusion in my old age that we simply should not be striking our children. An epiphany my two oldest boys probably wish I had come to sooner.

That said, It seems Peterson was simply giving a spanking, albeit a severe one, in a method that is very common (he didn't make the slightest attempt to hide anything and has been 100% cooperative). Get the man some education, have him educate others, and put him back on the field.

 

[gtexan02]

You mean like 50 yrs ago there wasn't a welfare state and now there is one? Yes times in fact do change. Personal responsibility has left the building for good and this includes AP's in this situation.

Just remember the govt always knows best and nobody is responsible for much of anything anymore unless the govt says they are. Welcome to the police state I hope you're enjoying the ride.

You seemed to ignore what I quoted. The laws have not changed, it's the views of the population that have changed. It's why it's easier to prosecute abuse cases now.

Think of this question:
Of the people you know who use corporal punishment, how many had it used on them when they were children?
I imagine it's close to 100%

I don't know a single person who uses that method of child rearing that wasn't raised like that. Plenty of people who were spanked as children no longer spank their own children, but the same isn't true in the other direction. It's not a government thing.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

He's been re-instated by vikings. Will play next week.

EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. - The Minnesota Vikings are standing behind Adrian Peterson.

The team announced Monday that its star halfback will fully participate in meetings and practice this week and is expected to play Sunday against the New Orleans Saints.

The Vikings had deactivated Peterson, 29, for their game against the New England Patriots yesterday, one day after the 2012 NFL MVP answered a warrant in Texas for his arrest on a charge of causing injury to his son by disciplining him with a tree branch.

"Today's decision was made after significant thought, discussion and consideration," owners Zygi Wilf and Mrak Wilf said in a joint statement issued by the team.

"As evidenced by our decision to deactivate Adrian from yesterday's game, this is clearly a very important issue. On Friday, we felt it was in the best interests of the organization to step back, evaluate the situation, and not rush to judgment given the seriousness of this matter. At that time, we made the decision that we felt was best for the Vikings and all parties involved.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ild-negligence-indictment-minnesota/15663317/

 

[infantrycak]

I have come to the conclusion in my old age that we simply should not be striking our children. An epiphany my two oldest boys probably wish I had come to sooner.

That said, It seems Peterson was simply giving a spanking, albeit a severe one, in a method that is very common (he didn't make the slightest attempt to hide anything and has been 100% cooperative). Get the man some education, have him educate others, and put him back on the field.

That's my thought. He went overboard but shouldn't be made into a criminal and banished. He is now well placed to work off the error by educating on the subject.

 

[toronto]

Cris Carter said something that really hit the nail on the head.

"you can't beat a kid to make them do what they (parents) want." "Take them off the field, they don't respect women, they don't respect kids."

He gets it.

 

[Playoffs]

“I don’t believe that because, listen, we spank kids in the south,” Barkley said. “I think the question about did Adrian Peterson go overboard? But we all grew up in different environments. Every black parent in my neighborhood in the south would be in trouble, or in jail under those circumstances.”Link

Not just blacks, either. AP just did it wrong, needs to learn how/why.

 

[infantrycak]

Not just blacks, either. AP just did it wrong, needs to learn how/why.

Yeah that was my joke early early in the thread when toronto had never heard of switching, "is this a southern thing?"

Anyway, AP back next week:

“Today’s decision was made after significant thought, discussion and consideration,” the statement read. “As evidenced by our decision to deactivate Adrian from yesterday’s game, this is clearly a very important issue. On Friday, we felt it was in the best interests of the organization to step back, evaluate the situation, and not rush to judgment given the seriousness of this matter. At that time, we made the decision that we felt was best for the Vikings and all parties involved.
“To be clear, we take very seriously any matter that involves the welfare of a child. At this time, however, we believe this is a matter of due process and we should allow the legal system to proceed so we can come to the most effective conclusions and then determine the appropriate course of action. This is a difficult path to navigate, and our focus is on doing the right thing. Currently we believe we are at a juncture where the most appropriate next step is to allow the judicial process to move forward.
We will continue to monitor the situation closely and support Adrian’s fulfillment of his legal responsibilities throughout this process.”

Link

 

[toronto]

I'm personally disgusted by the Vikings, but not surprised. There's no point getting mad. As Peter King put it, we all have a choice. We can choose to stop watching because of our personal disgust. I doubt I can do that, I love the game too much.

But man this has to stop.

 

[Playoffs]

(tweets read bottom(oldest)-to-top)
Andrew Brandt @adbrandt

On 11/25/13 the Vikings' AJ Jefferson was arrested on domestic assault charges. He was released an hour later. Due process?

On cue. RT @APkrawczynski Vikings taking different path with AP than Chris Cook, asked to stay away while legal process played out

When Goodell announced new DV penalties last month, was told he consulted with many DV experts. Sense these are a few of them.

Other NFL hires: Jane Randel, co-founder of NO MORE, and Rita Smith, former director of National Coalition Against Domestic Violence.

NFL hires include Lisa Friel, former head of Sex Crimes Unit in NY County DA's office. Will advise on Conduct Policy discipline.

Goodell sent memo to all teams today: NFL retaining 3 senior advisors to lead policies and programs relating to DV and sexual assault.

Do we really think teams would be talking about "due process" for players towards the bottom of the roster? They would be ex-players.

Again, "due process" is a legal term, not an NFL CBA term. Teams are using it as cover.

Stars get more "process" than "due" compared to less talented players.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

"Now, son, you know I need to "whoop" you for what you did. But the Vikings and NFL have made me more "aware" of my past poor approach. I've definitely learned my lesson. So I will be properly equipping you from here on out to make this a better experience for you........and me. So hand me the ball and bend your butt over......."

 

[Double Barrel]

To those of you surprised this is attracting police attention, I'm sorry but that's f'ed up. That anyone would consider hitting their child with something until it causes bleeding - at 4 years of age - actually makes me sick to my stomach.

"My parents did it so I will too" is how sexual abuse is often carried on through generations as well. When your child - a 4 year old - requires medical intervention because of the severity of your "whipping" you deserve to go to jail. End of story.

Well said, man.

And considering Peterson's other son died from abuse just last year, you'd think he'd have a clue about self-restraint with regards to disciplining a child.

 

[toronto]

Not very many people who maintain a loving and respectful relationship with their grandparents and parents are willing to call them abusers.

I finally watched 12 Years a Slave about a week ago. That was the first thing that came to mind when this story broke.

I thought it was a great movie, off topic. The violence felt real, not cartoon like.

 

[Playoffs]

Adam Schefter

The following is a statement from Adrian Peterson:

My attorney has asked me not to discuss the facts of my pending case. I hope you can respect that request and help me honor it. I very much want the public to hear from me but I understand that it is not appropriate to talk about the facts in detail at this time. Nevertheless, I want everyone to understand how sorry I feel about the hurt I have brought to my child.

I never wanted to be a distraction to the Vikings organization, the Minnesota community or to my teammates. I never imagined being in a position where the world is judging my parenting skills or calling me a child abuser because of the discipline I administered to my son.

I voluntarily appeared before the grand jury several weeks ago to answer any and all questions they had. Before my grand jury appearance, I was interviewed by two different police agencies without an attorney. In each of these interviews I have said the same thing, and that is that I never ever intended to harm my son. I will say the same thing once I have my day in court.

I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.

I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward. But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man. I love my son and I will continue to become a better parent and learn from any mistakes I ever make.

I am not a perfect son. I am not a perfect husband. I am not a perfect parent, but I am, without a doubt, not a child abuser. I am someone that disciplined his child and did not intend to cause him any injury. No one can understand the hurt that I feel for my son and for the harm I caused him. My goal is always to teach my son right from wrong and that’s what I tried to do that day.

I accept the fact that people feel very strongly about this issue and what they think about my conduct. Regardless of what others think, however, I love my son very much and I will continue to try to become a better father and person.

 

[Yvette]

I am not a perfect parent, but I am, without a doubt, not a child abuser. I am someone that disciplined his child and did not intend to cause him any injury.

The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one.

 

[Scooter]

my biggest issue isnt with the switch, it's with his aim. if you're going to pop the kid you've gotta hit the cheeks. inner thigh and scrotum really shouldnt happen no matter how much he's squirming. and this is just my opinion but it doesnt take more than a whack or two to get the point across, there's no need for more than that ... trust me lol.

 

[HOU-TEX]

I don't fault AP for taking a switch to his boy. I fault AP for taking it way too far. To me, a whoopin should be limited to the rearend only. This back, stomach, legs and scrotum (wtf AP) screams of AP taking his anger out on his child.

I grew up with 3 older brothers. It got to the point when we were older my parents would grab the nearest object and knock the piss out of us. However, my parents whoopin wasn't jack compared when they have a night out. The 4 of us at home was World War III as soon as they were gone. Being the youngest, I feared those nights moreso than a whoopin

I've raised a son and daughter. I whooped my son one time with a belt. Never had to again. Thank goodness for good kids because I still feel bad every time I think about whoopin him that one time.