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Who do you want at QB for the 2014 - 15 season?

Which QB do you want starting this 2014 season?

  • Fitzpatrick

    Votes: 30 33.3%

  • Savage

    Votes: 20 22.2%

  • Keenum

    Votes: 33 36.7%

  • Yates

    Votes: 7 7.8%
  • Total voters
    90
  • Poll closed .
Texan in Japan said:
I see Fitz as our #2 and the veteran mentor role. Savage is #3 and clip board holder until he's ready, clearly he has potential, but needs time to adjust and grow. Case and TJ have the best shots at #1. TJ did well as a rookie, but has seemed to regress since then. Case played like a phenom for spurts, but poor play calling/management and OL play, as well as injuries basically sunk him.

The way I see it, there are two guys that can help us win from QB position this year--Fitz and Case. You know exactly what you get with Fitz, when he's in a groove he can be a pretty decent QB, problem is his groove usually only lasts 2-3 games. Case showed the play-making ability and arm talent to move the team. I have to believe with OB's coaching/system, Case has a real chance to be a decent QB. I mean he made Matt McGloin relevant, Case seems to have more talent than him, don't u think?

So I want to see Case at #1, Fitz at #2 and Savage at #3. I think this combo gives us the best chance for success next year and success in the future. If we try and throw Savage into the mix this year, I think it will be a mistake, unless it's towards the end of the year. Savage is a #4 for several reasons, but it's clear he needs some time to learn, grow and refine his game. Physically he has the gifts, but working with OB/Godsey for a year and watching from the sidelines will give him a chance to prepare for his opportunity when it comes. We're too impatient today, when you look at McNairs, Rodgers, etc. they had multiple years to learn and grow. They had an opportunity to develop.

Case had an 8 game audition and I imagine he learned a lot about the speed and complexity of the game. I expect him to come back and step up to the challenge and win the starting job. I may be wrong and TJ may be the guy that steps up and takes the job, but in either instance, I'd rather Fitz stay at #2 and Tom solidify #3 for now.
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i like this post.

i like it a lot.
 
Lord Bills said:
i like this post.

i like it a lot.
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Yates doesn't have a shot at anything other than being a 3rd stringer on this team or some other team. All of the stuff about Yates over the years has probably been the worst arguments I ever saw in here dating back to that year people were actually saying he could possibly take the Texans to a SB. That guy never looked like an NFL starter. Keenum showed flashes at least. Savage to me seems like he might have the best shot to do something if he ever materializes, but even that would be a long shot.
 
Texan in Japan said:
We're too impatient today, when you look at McNairs, Rodgers, etc. they had multiple years to learn and grow. They had an opportunity to develop.

Case had an 8 game audition and I imagine he learned a lot about the speed and complexity of the game. I expect him to come back and step up to the challenge and win the starting job. I may be wrong and TJ may be the guy that steps up and takes the job, but in either instance, I'd rather Fitz stay at #2 and Tom solidify #3 for now.
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Except when McNair & Rodgers finally got on the field, they took their teams to the play offs. We couldn't even move the ball in the second half, much less score.

Think about that. We couldn't move the ball.


I'm rooting for Case, but let's be real. Case has been sitting on the sideline learning for two years... what good did that do him? There are somethings you shouldn't have to teach the future of your franchise. Don't run out of bounds when you're behind the LOS... & don't take a 20 yard sack.

That's the difference between 1-15 Troy Aikman, poor starting Peyton Manning. They didn't win a lot as rookies, but they didn't do boneheaded things either (that I can remember). As rookies, which Case wasn't.
 
thunderkyss said:
Except when McNair & Rodgers finally got on the field, they took their teams to the play offs.
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McNair was in his 4th year of starting after 2 years of spot starts before they made the playoffs. Rodgers went 6-10 after 3 years behind Favre the last of which they were 13-3.

I doubt Keenum is going to win the job but that isn't accurate.
 
infantrycak said:
McNair was in his 4th year of starting after 2 years of spot starts before they made the playoffs. Rodgers went 6-10 after 3 years behind Favre the last of which they were 13-3.

I doubt Keenum is going to win the job but that isn't accurate.
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Ahh... so there is hope for Keenum. Thanks for the correction.
 
CorpusTexan said:
Did Troy Aikman with his 0-11 first season? Or Peyton Manning with his 3-13 first season? By the way I never watched one game of UH. Didn't even know who CK was until he was picked up by the Texans.
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Be realistic. Both Aikman and Manning were 1-1 picks. As a rule - fair or not - first round QB picks are given lots and lots of chances; especially number one overall picks.

When you slow down and think about it, Keenum was lucky to get picked up at all given that (a) he's small by NFL standards for a QB and (b) the underwhelming history of U of H QBs. Andre Ware, David Klingler, Kevin Kolb all put up big college numbers but only Kolb has had some limited success in the NFL.

This is Keenum's third year. I think, I don't know why, but I think O'Brien will give him a fair shot to earn the starter job in camp. But he has to obviously beat out a nine-year vet in Fitzpatrick and O'Brien's hand-picked QB in Savage.
It won't be easy.
And it won't be based on fan voting.
 
ObsiWan said:
This is Keenum's third year. I think, I don't know why, but I think O'Brien will give him a fair shot to earn the starter job in camp. But he has to obviously beat out a nine-year vet in Fitzpatrick and O'Brien's hand-picked QB in Savage.
It won't be easy.
And it won't be based on fan voting.
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I disagree.

It should be easy. It's not like they brought in a 1st round pick for him to compete against. It's not like they brought in a Drew Bledsoe, or Kurt Warner, or Peyton Manning.

Fitzpatrick sets the bar, but it's not very high.
 
thunderkyss said:
I disagree.

It should be easy. It's not like they brought in a 1st round pick for him to compete against. It's not like they brought in a Drew Bledsoe, or Kurt Warner, or Peyton Manning.

Fitzpatrick sets the bar, but it's not very high.
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The only way it's "easy" is if Keenum shows more ability to step his game up than he's shown so far.
 
DBCooper said:
My guess is that Yates and Keenum will not be here on opening day.

I don't doubt they will make another QB move before camp.
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I've had that in the back of my mind for a while. Pure speculation follows: I don't think OB is thinking "I've got to get rid of these guys! They suck!" or anything like that. I'm kind of hoping that his comments up until now indicate that he's pleasantly surprised that the guys he inherited aren't complete morons (particularly since the owner is fond of one of them) but I also don't doubt for a second that he'll upgrade any position he feels like he can and so I expect him to be watching the waiver wire closely. If a QB becomes available that he likes or is intrigued by (backup most likely, starter if one should become available and fit into our cap/situation) then I think he'll snap him up.

It's huge for Keenum and Yates that they pick things up fast and impress OB in OTA's. Their continued careers here and maybe even in the NFL depend on it.
 
DBCooper said:
My guess is that Yates and Keenum will not be here on opening day.

I don't doubt they will make another QB move before camp.
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You're saying that the QB depth chart will read:
Fitzpatrick
Savage
New dude

Man, both Yates and Keenum will really have to screw the pooch in camp for that to happen.
 
ObsiWan said:
You're saying that the QB depth chart will read:
Fitzpatrick
Savage
New dude

Man, both Yates and Keenum will really have to screw the pooch in camp for that to happen.
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Actually I'm thinking:

New Dude
Hopefully Savage
FitzMagic

Along the lines of the Mallet trade rumors.
 
ObsiWan said:
The only way it's "easy" is if Keenum shows more ability to step his game up than he's shown so far.
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He absolutely has to step his game up. If he plays like last year then good luck to him in whatever's thrown his way. My whole point is I don't think he was given a fair chance considering the teams situation is all. I'm not saying he's the answer, BUT if he can fix those issues he had personally; while the team addresses theirs I think the kids got potential to do something. That's all. People saying he's 1 and done is just silly to me. That's for him to prove in preseason though.. may the best man win.
 
ObsiWan said:
You're saying that the QB depth chart will read:
Fitzpatrick
Savage
New dude

Man, both Yates and Keenum will really have to screw the pooch in camp for that to happen.
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Well, to OB they're all "new dude" at this point. Savage is a rookie and I think he's 3 all year long unless things go down hill in the W/L column and they want an early look at him. Say for instance he's doing really well in practice and they think they can protect him. Case and TJ are both new to this. They both have had one system (from behind Schaub) in the NFL so nobody knows how fast they'll pick this new offense up. Fitz's claim to fame is that he's bounced around and picked up more offenses in his career than most players will ever see. I've no doubt he picks it up quickly enough.

Being that it's "new" to all of them I'm betting Fitz starts unless Mallet or someone else who has some time in this offense appears (Cassel gets cut and we pick him up say). If Savage, Yates, or Keenum is still here (TJ and Case, Savage isn't going anywhere) and starting on opening day then that guy lit it up in training camp and the preseason and learned more, faster than anyone had a right to expect them to.
 
DBCooper said:
Actually I'm thinking:

New Dude
Hopefully Savage
FitzMagic

Along the lines of the Mallet trade rumors.
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Well, new dude better show up before OTAs are over or he's gonna be too far behind the learning curve to start the season as numero uno...

Then there's the small matter that the currently available list of F/A QBs kinda suck.
To wit (from the ESPN F/A Tracker):
Jimmy Clausen
David Garrard
sexy Rexy Grossman
Kevin Kolb (another U-H QB bites the dust)
Brady Quinn (is he still around?)
Seneca Wallace

And there's no backup out there that I would spend a draft pick on; including Mallett.

But that's just me.
 
Jesus fellows, we DON'T HAVE a starting QB on our team right now, and there isn't a proven one available to be signed. If they are actually any good, they are already starting or come at to high a price. We have what we have, and if there is another new QB thrown in the mix, it sure as hell isn't going to be a proven starter.

At this point all I say is I would like to see Keenum take us to the promised land. But if he isn't on the roster this season, I'm not gonna cry about it. For now I'm just waiting on our new coaching staff and the pre-season. Besides, we all know BoB has different ideas about what a starting QB is supposed to be like than Kubiak did. That means the only thing we know for sure is we don't know anything yet. LOL
 
ObsiWan said:
Well, new dude better show up before OTAs are over or he's gonna be too far behind the learning curve to start the season as numero uno...

Then there's the small matter that the currently available list of F/A QBs kinda suck.
To wit (from the ESPN F/A Tracker):
Jimmy Clausen
David Garrard
sexy Rexy Grossman
Kevin Kolb (another U-H QB bites the dust)
Brady Quinn (is he still around?)
Seneca Wallace

And there's no backup out there that I would spend a draft pick on; including Mallett.

But that's just me.
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All very true.

I keep hoping O'Brien pulls one out of his errr hat!
 
Hervoyel said:
Well, to OB they're all "new dude" at this point. Savage is a rookie and I think he's 3 all year long unless things go down hill in the W/L column and they want an early look at him. Say for instance he's doing really well in practice and they think they can protect him. Case and TJ are both new to this. They both have had one system (from behind Schaub) in the NFL so nobody knows how fast they'll pick this new offense up. Fitz's claim to fame is that he's bounced around and picked up more offenses in his career than most players will ever see. I've no doubt he picks it up quickly enough.

Being that it's "new" to all of them I'm betting Fitz starts unless Mallet or someone else who has some time in this offense appears (Cassel gets cut and we pick him up say). If Savage, Yates, or Keenum is still here (TJ and Case, Savage isn't going anywhere) and starting on opening day then that guy lit it up in training camp and the preseason and learned more, faster than anyone had a right to expect them to.
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True enough.
Whichever guy shows he has a better command of O'Brien's offense AND can think on his feet at the line of scrimmage the best will win the starting job.

I will throw this "bone" to the Keenum krowd... From what little I've seen in O'Brien's coaching clinic videos (there are links to a few in the "O'Brien hired as HC" thread), he tends to run some variation of a spread offense like New England does. AND seeing as that the spread was the flavor of offense Case operated - flourished? - in while at U-H, one would think he could adapt to O'Brien's flavor of spread at least as fast - if not faster - as any of the other guys.
...one would think...
Now that's just a SWAG (SCIENTIFIC Wild- A$$ Guess) on my part but it seems at least plausible (as they say on Mythbusters) if not probable.
We shall watch the unfolding with great interest.
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Hervoyel said:
Well, to OB they're all "new dude" at this point. Savage is a rookie and I think he's 3 all year long unless things go down hill in the W/L column and they want an early look at him. Say for instance he's doing really well in practice and they think they can protect him. Case and TJ are both new to this. They both have had one system (from behind Schaub) in the NFL so nobody knows how fast they'll pick this new offense up. Fitz's claim to fame is that he's bounced around and picked up more offenses in his career than most players will ever see. I've no doubt he picks it up quickly enough.

Being that it's "new" to all of them I'm betting Fitz starts unless Mallet or someone else who has some time in this offense appears (Cassel gets cut and we pick him up say). If Savage, Yates, or Keenum is still here (TJ and Case, Savage isn't going anywhere) and starting on opening day then that guy lit it up in training camp and the preseason and learned more, faster than anyone had a right to expect them to.
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Another excellent post. It's like you're reading my mind on this subject.

I want the QB that BO'B thinks is the right guy to start. I think
that will be Fitz. I also think it will be an open competition. It will be interesting, and telling, how BO'B handles the QB's in PS games.

I doubt we see Savage unless it's late in the season and have a lot more L's than W's.
 
ObsiWan said:
True enough.
Whichever guy shows he has a better command of O'Brien's offense AND can think on his feet at the line of scrimmage the best will win the starting job.

I will throw this "bone" to the Keenum krowd... From what little I've seen in O'Brien's coaching clinic videos (there are links to a few in the "O'Brien hired as HC" thread), he tends to run some variation of a spread offense like New England does. AND seeing as that the spread was the flavor of offense Case operated - flourished? - in while at U-H, one would think he could adapt to O'Brien's flavor of spread at least as fast - if not faster - as any of the other guys.
...one would think...
Now that's just a SWAG (SCIENTIFIC Wild- A$$ Guess) on my part but it seems at least plausible (as they say on Mythbusters) if not probable.
We shall watch the unfolding with great interest.
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While that's true RE what happened in NE the draft choices made doesn't fit that MO in my eyes. I think it will evolve into that style more or less over time. This year it seems the be set up to run it down the opponent's throat and make them like it. I, like everyone else, can't wait to see what really happens on the field.

Spread 'em out or G-N-P, or a combination of both I don't care. Whatever works and I'm a happy, happy fanatic.
 
drs23 said:
While that's true RE what happened in NE the draft choices made doesn't fit that MO in my eyes. I think it will evolve into that style more or less over time. This year it seems the be set up to run it down the opponent's throat and make them like it. I, like everyone else, can't wait to see what really happens on the field.

Spread 'em out or G-N-P, or a combination of both I don't care. Whatever works and I'm a happy, happy fanatic.
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The N.E. spread and rushing aren't mutually exclusive.
N.E. was in the top ten in rushing attempts, yds/attempt, and was 2nd over all in rushing TDs last season.
Nothing says we can't spread out the defense then pop Foster up the gut when they aren't expecting it. And put the FB and a couple of TEs in and, as you said, "run it down the opponent's throat and make them like it".

I'm happy with whatever puts 7's on the board.
...in bunches.
 
ObsiWan said:
The N.E. spread and rushing aren't mutually exclusive.
N.E. was in the top ten in rushing attempts, yds/attempt, and was 2nd over all in rushing TDs last season.
Nothing says we can't spread out the defense then pop Foster up the gut when they aren't expecting it. And put the FB and a couple of TEs in and, as you said, "run it down the opponent's throat and make them like it".

I'm happy with whatever puts 7's on the board.
...in bunches.
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I'm down with ya there wise one and second on the 7's. I'm sick-N-tired of 3's. Or attempts thereof. :kitten:
 
Keenum and Yates both need to be gone. Neither one of them could do diddle squat last year. As a fan extremely difficult and frustrating to watch. If Yates wasn't good enough to take over for Schaub then why is he still part of the quarterback equation now? They bypassed Yates and went with Keenum and we all know how well that worked out. Disaster!! Seen enough of both those guys.
 
humblegeo said:
Keenum and Yates both need to be gone. Neither one of them could do diddle squat last year. As a fan extremely difficult and frustrating to watch. If Yates wasn't good enough to take over for Schaub then why is he still part of the quarterback equation now? They bypassed Yates and went with Keenum and we all know how well that worked out. Disaster!! Seen enough of both those guys.
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Possibly true. If and when OB says they need to be gone then I for one will get behind the sentiment. Until then I'm going to watch the process intently and enjoy the competition.
 
I think it's already pretty much decided barring injury during preseason. Fitzpatrick is the starter Savage is the backup.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
This is the most realistic position.

Still want Savage to force OB's hand.
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I dont think there is much that Savage can do to force his hand really. The reading pressure/mental clock issues that we've heard about can only really be tested in the heat of an NFL game in my opinion. I could see the coaching staff giving Keenum/Yates starts before exposing Savage before they thik he is equipped to deal with the pressure that an NFL defense can bring.
 
I do not make predictions, but I would not be surprised if the Texans are looking for a QB in off-season 2015.
 
humblegeo said:
Keenum and Yates both need to be gone. Neither one of them could do diddle squat last year. As a fan extremely difficult and frustrating to watch. If Yates wasn't good enough to take over for Schaub then why is he still part of the quarterback equation now? They bypassed Yates and went with Keenum and we all know how well that worked out. Disaster!! Seen enough of both those guys.
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Uhuu, because TJ wasn't healthy (according to reports) and the main reason being (according to reports) the Man That Signs The Checks wanted Keenum to start?

Fire McNair? Good luck with that (not so) humblegeo. Emphasize the "humble" part, if you will.
 
ObsiWan said:
The N.E. spread and rushing aren't mutually exclusive.
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I think the difference between the N.E. spread & UH spread is that the NFL covers it much better than they ever could in college. Before the ball is snapped Keenum probably had a good idea who was going to be open, allowing him to identify his primary read, maybe a second, then the dump off.

I think OB's system will allow for something very similar.

I think it's going to be

Keenum
Savage
QB to be named to the practice squad.


After Keenum beats out Fitzpatrick there's no need to carry him on the team any more. OB will find out that Keenum is a pro (thanks to Kubiak) & handles himself like a pro, & Savage is mature beyond his years.

The face of the Houston Texans

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[IMGwidthsize=400]http://media.nj.com/rutgers_football/photo/11232627-large.jpg[/IMG]
 
thunderkyss said:
I think the difference between the N.E. spread & UH spread is that the NFL covers it much better than they ever could in college. Before the ball is snapped Keenum probably had a good idea who was going to be open, allowing him to identify his primary read, maybe a second, then the dump off.

I think OB's system will allow for something very similar.

I think it's going to be

Keenum
Savage
QB to be named to the practice squad.


After Keenum beats out Fitzpatrick there's no need to carry him on the team any more. OB will find out that Keenum is a pro (thanks to Kubiak) & handles himself like a pro, & Savage is mature beyond his years.....
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I must borrow words.

You are hanging on by a very thin thread man! And I DIG THAT ABOUT YOU!

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Keenum, Savage, and Fitz goes home unable to break into the top 2! That's awesome and I sincerely hope that plays out. Hell if that happens I'm buying you a beer and not some crappy beer in a can. I mean the good stuff. I'm buying you a beer and we're gonna talk about how Case Keenum sent that guy packing!

Can't stop smiling! That was a great post! msr!
 
thunderkyss said:
I think the difference between the N.E. spread & UH spread is that the NFL covers it much better than they ever could in college. Before the ball is snapped Keenum probably had a good idea who was going to be open, allowing him to identify his primary read, maybe a second, then the dump off.

I think OB's system will allow for something very similar.

I think it's going to be

Keenum
Savage
QB to be named to the practice squad.


After Keenum beats out Fitzpatrick there's no need to carry him on the team any more. OB will find out that Keenum is a pro (thanks to Kubiak) & handles himself like a pro, & Savage is mature beyond his years.

The face of the Houston Texans

[IMGwidthsize=400]http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1110/cfb-heisman-watch-week-7/images/case-keenum.jpg[/IMG]

[IMGwidthsize=400]http://media.nj.com/rutgers_football/photo/11232627-large.jpg[/IMG]
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Did you get you eCig drops from Colorado or Washington? :kitten:
 
Hervoyel said:
I must borrow words.

You are hanging on by a very thin thread man! And I DIG THAT ABOUT YOU!

gooding_zpse50866d7.jpg


Keenum, Savage, and Fitz goes home unable to break into the top 2! That's awesome and I sincerely hope that plays out. Hell if that happens I'm buying you a beer and not some crappy beer in a can. I mean the good stuff. I'm buying you a beer and we're gonna talk about how Case Keenum sent that guy packing!

Can't stop smiling! That was a great post! msr!
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After a winning season under this scenario, I'll throw in dinner at a place of TK's choice and a nite out on the town at place(s) of TK and your choosing. :barman:
 
thunderkyss said:
I think the difference between the N.E. spread & UH spread is that the NFL covers it much better than they ever could in college. Before the ball is snapped Keenum probably had a good idea who was going to be open, allowing him to identify his primary read, maybe a second, then the dump off.

I think OB's system will allow for something very similar.

I think it's going to be

Keenum
Savage
QB to be named to the practice squad.


After Keenum beats out Fitzpatrick there's no need to carry him on the team any more. OB will find out that Keenum is a pro (thanks to Kubiak) & handles himself like a pro, & Savage is mature beyond his years.
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I'm thinking the Texans can think of 4.5 million reasons. Guaranteed.
 
Hervoyel said:
I must borrow words.

You are hanging on by a very thin thread man! And I DIG THAT ABOUT YOU!

gooding_zpse50866d7.jpg


Keenum, Savage, and Fitz goes home unable to break into the top 2! That's awesome and I sincerely hope that plays out. Hell if that happens I'm buying you a beer and not some crappy beer in a can. I mean the good stuff. I'm buying you a beer and we're gonna talk about how Case Keenum sent that guy packing!

Can't stop smiling! That was a great post! msr!
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I got him for ya.

And, for the record, that would make a very interesting story should it play out that way. National media would eat up the hometown boy makes good story. And the icing on the cake would be watching all the "you shouldda drafted a QB in the first or second round" talking heads that would have to eat crow....
 
ObsiWan said:
I got him for ya.

And, for the record, that would make a very interesting story should it play out that way. National media would eat up the hometown boy makes good story. And the icing on the cake would be watching all the "you shouldda drafted a QB in the first or second round" talking heads that would have to eat crow....
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THAT is what would make it all worth it. WRONG AGAIN!
 
Fitzpatrick has thrown 2600 passes in the NFL. He is the starter, Savage is #2 and who cares what they do with the other two. We're coming off a 2-14 season. Time for some MAJOR changes! And that's what needs to happen and that's what's going to happen, like it or not. We're not going back to Case Keenum and business as usual like nothing happened especially after he was the QB during the pathetic 8 game disaster that ended the 2013 season. Are you kidding me?
 
humblegeo said:
Fitzpatrick has thrown 2600 passes in the NFL. He is the starter, Savage is #2 and who cares what they do with the other two. We're coming off a 2-14 season. Time for some MAJOR changes! And that's what needs to happen and that's what's going to happen, like it or not. We're not going back to Case Keenum and business as usual like nothing happened especially after he was the QB during the pathetic 8 game disaster that ended the 2013 season. Are you kidding me?
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You guys need to think of a more authentic way to rile up the natives
 
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