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2014 QB Class Not That Great

CloakNNNdagger said:
From an SI piece:

And we all know that he certainly does hold some weight.:)
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All of these type pieces are based on McClain's guesses.

McClain is an unabashed Manziel promoter--did it again in interview yesterday-- and writes as such. He has admitted that, "I don't know, but..." on the radio before saying "the Texans will absolutely select a QB with the first pick" -- they go with the second part. Note that on one of the more important prospect pro days, Clowney's, McClain stood silent. On Manziel's he burned up the wires. There's even more to the story.

National media are still under the belief that "The General" is plugged into the Texans, but that's just not the case. He's guessing just like everyone else.
 
thunderkyss said:
No offense to you, you seem to be a pretty knowledgeable fan. I'm sure you have an opinion on who our next pick should be. I'm sure you had an opinion of when Kubiak should have been let go, or when Rick Smith should be.

If you were the owner of the Texans, I have no doubt in my mind you would stear this organization where you think it needs to be. That's all McNair is doing. He's not "overly" involved, but he's not completely hands off either. He sets the vision.

When his "football people" tell him what they're planning on doing, he's going to let them know if that fits his vision or not.
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If this is the case then McNair's vision of the on the field product has produced losers and likely will continue to do so.

This includes Cal McNair.
 
thunderkyss said:
When his "football people" tell him what they're planning on doing, he's going to let them know if that fits his vision or not.
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After the Press Conference to fire Kubiak, I think we all learned that Bob McNair is much more involved with the football team decisions than most fans envisioned. Bob McNair is/was as much involved as Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith.The Ed Reed scenario and Wade Phillips not being made aware or consulted is a good example. IMHO McNair erred in thinking he could buy him championship (Carr ext; Ahman Green; AJ highest paid; Foster & Schaub contract; Ed Reed etc).

The picture of the Houston Texans front office as perfect in harmony, professionalism and non-interfering may be more of a myth than a reality. Instead of focusing on finding the best head coach, IMHO McNair should focus on finding the best GM. I believe the Houston Texans could've been a much better team under Kubiak if they would've had a GM capable of making much better business decisions. Unfortunately the prognosis for O'Brien is similar to Kubiak as Texans head coach, the method of operation and pattern of behavior of front office appears to be the same.

I was always under the impression that Rick Smith was Gary Kubiak's right hand man. I believe that I may have been wrong in that assessment. Rick Smith may in fact be Bob McNair's right hand man. Unfortunately, I don't think Bob McNair will relent to an all encompassing GM like Ozzie Newsome to run the Houston Texans. Like Jerry Jones I am not sure that Bob McNair would be willing to relinquish that control to some else. I am also not sure that Bob McNair is any better at running a football team than Jerry Jones.
 
Texian said:
Unfortunately, I don't think Bob McNair will relent to an all encompassing GM like Ozzie Newsome to run the Houston Texans. Like Jerry Jones I am not sure that Bob McNair would be willing to relinquish that control to some else. I am also not sure that Bob McNair is any better at running a football team than Jerry Jones.
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Even Ozzy Newsome is working within the guidlines set by his boss & Bob McNair is no Jerry Jones.
 
thunderkyss said:
Even Ozzy Newsome is working within the guidlines set by his boss & Bob McNair is no Jerry Jones.
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I guess you could say that is true. What is also true is some GMs have more responsibilities, expanded guidelines, freedom in decision making and broader parameters than other GMs. Ozzie Newsome, Ted Thompson and Jerry Reese are 3 such GMs. Rick Smith is not.

As for Jerry and Bob, the proof is in the pudding and so far, their pudding is has a very similar flavor, just a different label.
 
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Texian said:
I guess you could say that is true. What is also true is some GMs have more responsibilities, expanded guidelines, freedom in decision making and broader parameters than other GMs. Ozzie Newsome, Ted Thompson and Jerry Reese are 3 such GMs.
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Remember when Cleveland & Miami tried it that way?
 
thunderkyss said:
Remember when Cleveland & Miami tried it that way?
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Yes I do, It took Haslam less than a year to figure out that the two guys recommended to him by the NFL were in fact not the two guys that were best for running an NFL franchise. Haslam nipped that in the bud in a hurry. Some folks could see that one from coming from the day it was announced. (Lombardi another failed leg from the Belichick tree).

Ireland, a Parcels protege and recommendation, lasted 3 years with Stephen Ross. Haslam and Ross are both new owners still trying to find their way. Will they? or will they make the same mistakes so many other owners seem to make?
 
Texian said:
Yes I do, It took Haslam less than a year to figure out that the two guys recommended to him by the NFL were in fact not the two guys that were best for running an NFL franchise. Haslam nipped that in the bud in a hurry. Some folks could see that one from coming from the day it was announced. (Lombardi another failed leg from the Belichick tree).

Ireland, a Parcels protege and recommendation, lasted 3 years with Stephen Ross. Haslam and Ross are both new owners still trying to find their way. Will they? or will they make the same mistakes so many other owners seem to make?
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Ah... so that method fails just as well as the other.

Carry on.
 
Playoffs said:
All of these type pieces are based on McClain's guesses.

McClain is an unabashed Manziel promoter--did it again in interview yesterday-- and writes as such. He has admitted that, "I don't know, but..." on the radio before saying "the Texans will absolutely select a QB with the first pick" -- they go with the second part. Note that on one of the more important prospect pro days, Clowney's, McClain stood silent. On Manziel's he burned up the wires. There's even more to the story.

National media are still under the belief that "The General" is plugged into the Texans, but that's just not the case. He's guessing just like everyone else.
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Find it strange that damn near every time "The General" is mentioned in a national report that there is some blurb like that? If I have to keep telling someone of my importance then I probably not really important at all. At some point, your work should just speak for itself (and actually McClain's for does that).
 
Playoffs said:
All of these type pieces are based on McClain's guesses.

McClain is an unabashed Manziel promoter--did it again in interview yesterday-- and writes as such. He has admitted that, "I don't know, but..." on the radio before saying "the Texans will absolutely select a QB with the first pick" -- they go with the second part. Note that on one of the more important prospect pro days, Clowney's, McClain stood silent. On Manziel's he burned up the wires. There's even more to the story.

National media are still under the belief that "The General" is plugged into the Texans, but that's just not the case. He's guessing just like everyone else.
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Good post. I know you knew my last statement was tongue-in-cheek. But your lay out of McClain and his approach to the Manziel vs the other QBs and vs Clowney is blatantly laughable.

My suggestion to McClain is that he approach Academy to give him a larger brand new free dart board, so that he can plug "my friends at" on Radio 610.:tiphat:
 
thunderkyss said:
No offense to you, you seem to be a pretty knowledgeable fan. I'm sure you have an opinion on who our next pick should be. I'm sure you had an opinion of when Kubiak should have been let go, or when Rick Smith should be.

If you were the owner of the Texans, I have no doubt in my mind you would stear this organization where you think it needs to be. That's all McNair is doing. He's not "overly" involved, but he's not completely hands off either. He sets the vision.

When his "football people" tell him what they're planning on doing, he's going to let them know if that fits his vision or not.
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I don't have any problem with this statement. I think it is pretty much on point about how things work around here.

But I don't think that's the way it's supposed to be.

I think the owner should hire people who share his vision, and then step out of the way and let them work. If they fail to fulfill his vision then they will be replaced.
 
bah007 said:
But I don't think that's the way it's supposed to be.

I think the owner should hire people who share his vision, and then step out of the way and let them work. If they fail to fulfill his vision then they will be replaced.
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If I started a .com, or a Bed & Breakfast, or an energy trading firm, I wouldn't take that approach. I'd want to be involved. & if I get to be a billionaire doing such, and buy a basketball team, or a football team, or a baseball team, I'd probably delegate those responsibilities to someone else, so I can be involved in my newest acquisition. More than likely, the other business I started, groomed, built, was a means to this end.

But when I say I would be involved, I would be, "Hey, Dre said Reed wants to come to Houston, make it happen."
Smith:Well, TK, he's kinda old...
Me: You ain't no spring chicken either Rick
Smith: But I ain't out there chasing 23 year olds around a football field either.
Me: Hmm... with our two corners, Kj & Jjo, he'll be fine. We need his leadership.
Smith: I think you're confusing him for Ray Lewis.
Me: Ya think? Who gives a sht what you think. Ask Wade. Let me know what he says.

Then when it was all over & done with
Me: WTH Rick? WTH just happened?
Smith: I told you!...
Me: Bullsht, I said get me Reed & you said "Done!"
Smith: I don't think so. I told you what's what & you said ask Wade.
Me: & what did Wade say?
Smith: He said if you want him, he'll figure something out.
Me: & what did I say after that?
Smith: I didn't ask, you said you wanted him & Wade said he can make it work.
Me: Fire Wade. & the next time we have this type of discussion, if the man don't want him, then I don't want him. Got it?


Man... sure wish that draft would hurry up.
 
thunderkyss said:
If I started a .com, or a Bed & Breakfast, or an energy trading firm, I wouldn't take that approach. I'd want to be involved. & if I get to be a billionaire doing such, and buy a basketball team, or a football team, or a baseball team, I'd probably delegate those responsibilities to someone else, so I can be involved in my newest acquisition. More than likely, the other business I started, groomed, built, was a means to this end.

But when I say I would be involved, I would be, "Hey, Dre said Reed wants to come to Houston, make it happen."
Smith:Well, TK, he's kinda old...
Me: You ain't no spring chicken either Rick
Smith: But I ain't out there chasing 23 year olds around a football field either.
Me: Hmm... with our two corners, Kj & Jjo, he'll be fine. We need his leadership.
Smith: I think you're confusing him for Ray Lewis.
Me: Ya think? Who gives a sht what you think. Ask Wade. Let me know what he says.

Then when it was all over & done with
Me: WTH Rick? WTH just happened?
Smith: I told you!...
Me: Bullsht, I said get me Reed & you said "Done!"
Smith: I don't think so. I told you what's what & you said ask Wade.
Me: & what did Wade say?
Smith: He said if you want him, he'll figure something out.
Me: & what did I say after that?
Smith: I didn't ask, you said you wanted him & Wade said he can make it work.
Me: Fire Wade. & the next time we have this type of discussion, if the man don't want him, then I don't want him. Got it?


Man... sure wish that draft would hurry up.
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I'm not saying that you don't get involved and you don't make your opinion known.

I'm saying that unless you think you are qualified to be the GM yourself, you should hire someone else to do that job. And if you're going to hire someone to do that job, you should hire someone who you deem to be really good at it. And if you're going to hire someone who is really good at that job (therefore making them better at it than you), then you should let them do the job without stepping on their toes.
 
I think we've got to define the word "involved."

There's Jerry Jones level of involvement where he IS the GM. There's Dan Snyder level of involvement where he's making his GM follow a certain approach (as in, get the biggest name guys in here.)

But there's also the level of involvement where you're in the room and you're hearing the discussions between the coaches and the GM and the scouts. Where you're taking all that information in and you're offering your own thoughts here and there but you're not forcing anything.

And you see a lot of that in the Hard Knocks shows. When most teams are deciding on which players to keep and which players to cut, there are a lot of people in the room. It's not just one guy arbitrarily deciding who stays and who goes but a give-and-take interchange between lots of people and the owner is usually in there listening and occasionally offering advice... and occasionally being the final arbiter if the various parties come to an impasse.

In some cases, the HC has more of a say and the Owner will side with him more often than not. And in other cases, the GM will have more influence.

That's the way I think it works in our FO but I could be wrong.

With teams like the Cowboys and Redskins, I think the owner follows his own instincts and will sometimes totally disregard what his coaches and other people say. But I think with most teams, the owners are involved with the overall process.
 
bah007 said:
I'm not saying that you don't get involved and you don't make your opinion known.

I'm saying that unless you think you are qualified to be the GM yourself, you should hire someone else to do that job. And if you're going to hire someone to do that job, you should hire someone who you deem to be really good at it. And if you're going to hire someone who is really good at that job (therefore making them better at it than you), then you should let them do the job without stepping on their toes.
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Nobody sits back on a large enterprise and never sticks his thumb on the scale. Nobody.

The Pencil Neck said:
I think we've got to define the word "involved."

There's Jerry Jones level of involvement where he IS the GM. There's Dan Snyder level of involvement where he's making his GM follow a certain approach (as in, get the biggest name guys in here.)

But there's also the level of involvement where you're in the room and you're hearing the discussions between the coaches and the GM and the scouts. Where you're taking all that information in and you're offering your own thoughts here and there but you're not forcing anything.

And you see a lot of that in the Hard Knocks shows. When most teams are deciding on which players to keep and which players to cut, there are a lot of people in the room. It's not just one guy arbitrarily deciding who stays and who goes but a give-and-take interchange between lots of people and the owner is usually in there listening and occasionally offering advice... and occasionally being the final arbiter if the various parties come to an impasse.

In some cases, the HC has more of a say and the Owner will side with him more often than not. And in other cases, the GM will have more influence.

That's the way I think it works in our FO but I could be wrong.

With teams like the Cowboys and Redskins, I think the owner follows his own instincts and will sometimes totally disregard what his coaches and other people say. But I think with most teams, the owners are involved with the overall process.
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Nailed it.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's absurd .
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Texans open to trade.
If no trade, "the feeling around the league is it'll be a defensive player."
Increasingly unlikely top 3 QBs will go at 1-1.
Texans don't have to use their first overall pick on a QB.
Texans might move back into the 1st round to select a QB.

What is absurd?
 
Playoffs said:
Texans open to trade.
If no trade, "the feeling around the league is it'll be a defensive player."
Increasingly unlikely top 3 QBs will go at 1-1.
Texans don't have to use their first overall pick on a QB.
Texans might move back into the 1st round to select a QB.

What is absurd?
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"That's absurd" are the last two words Schefter said.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Yes.
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ObsiWan said:
:shrug:
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It was there for me.

Apparently, it recognizes the more computer-savvy and intelligent posters by examining the cookies of the sites they frequent and then decide to show the video as long as a certain minimum requirement is met. A very low minimum requirement that, unfortunately, you do not meet.

:wadepalm:
 
All I got was the 30 second commercial and the vid never started - just blank. I clicked on Tania's name and found the same article (Texans to host Bortles, Manziel) in her list of articles, clicked on it and then clicked on the video and then it started after another 30 second commercial.

It's Flash video so make sure you are using the latest version of Flash....

http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ (Make sure to uncheck the Google Chrome box unless you want it....)
 
1. Blake Bortles: Simms is impressed with with Central Florida QB's size and the great physical shape he's in, and also what he demonstrated on tape. He believes Bortles could use another year of college experience to sharpen his craft but likes his leadership.

The key point: "Bortles has to work hard to throw the ball well, it doesn't come easy for him. I don't see great rotation on the ball."
2. Johnny Manziel: When I mentioned Manziel, the first thing Simms said was: "Get ready, because the circus is coming to town," and that the team drafting Manziel has to be all in with who Johnny Football is as a quarterback.Simms is "bothered by his size and that speed is such a big part of his game," pointing out that all QBs slow down as their pro careers advance, but NFL defenses never slow down.
3. Teddy Bridgewater: Simms was quick to say Bridgewater's spotty pro day performance was a "red flag." The Louisville QB should have looked a lot better than he did and some of his bad throw tendencies that show up in games were present at the pro day.
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Simms told me when he came out he had 20 private workouts, sometimes four a week with a minimum of 120 throws per workout and he ran a 40 for every staff that came in to his school. No loud music, no orchestrated workout, just tons of throws.
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Wild cards: Simms found two QBs he would take a chance on later in the draft: Virginia Tech's Logan Thomas Pitt's Tom Savage.

Simms recognizes Thomas is raw, saying, "He might have the best 20 throws you will see from any of these quarterbacks, but he might also have the 20 worst throws."

As for Savage, Simms likes the way he can get a good throw off from any physical position, and make accurate throws across the field, and throws off his back foot are solid.
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So, I'm not a huge fan of Garoppolo. While his mechanics appear to be a thing of beauty, here are my issues:

First, he seems to struggle with phantom pressure at times and duck way before the pass rush gets there. He doesn't really seem to stand and deliver the ball when he sees a hit coming most times. Instead he relies too much on trying to slip and duck his way out of it.

Second, I'm charting some of his games, and I've only down Towson so far (Illinois St. next), but from that one game I'm definitely a bit worried. He had no throws in the 10-19 yard range outside of one incomplete pass outside the left hash marks. He attempted 5 passes over 20 yards and completed one in the hashes, and one to the right, but had 3 incomplete to the left. Most of his throws were behind the line of scrimmage, or relatively close to it, even in the 0-9 yard range. I want to go back and look at those and break it down from 0-5 and 6-9, but without doing that it seemed like most were in the 0-5 range.

This may have been a bad game to watch and I'm open to changing my opinion when watching more, but between it and the videos of him reacting to phantom pressure, I think he's fools gold right now.
 
Casserly thinks there are 7 QBs in this draft that are better prospects than Ej Manuel.


"I've got a lot of guys rated ahead of (Manuel) based on their college career and based on Manuel's college career," Casserly said on Thursday's Path to the Draft. "[Teddy] Bridgewater, [Blake] Bortles, [Johnny] Manziel, [Derek] Carr, [Jimmy] Garoppolo and [AJ] McCarron -- I've got them all rated ahead of EJ Manuel coming out a year ago. And you know what, LSU quarterback [Zach] Mettenberger, I've got him ahead of Manuel, too."
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leebigeztx said:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-04-17-sw-matt-ryan_N.htm

just putting it out there
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Question for you. The year before that draft, we had traded two 2nd round picks (2007 & 2008) for Matt Schaub. When it was our turn to pick in the 2008 draft, Joe Flacco was there.

We traded down with the Baltimore Ravens for their 26th pick (which they got from Jacksonville as they traded out of the top 10), their third (also from Jacksonville) and sixth. They got Flacco, we got DBrown, Steve Slaton, & Dominic Barber.

Knowing what you know right now, would you make that trade again?
 
thunderkyss said:
Question for you. The year before that draft, we had traded two 2nd round picks (2007 & 2008) for Matt Schaub. When it was our turn to pick in the 2008 draft, Joe Flacco was there.

We traded down with the Baltimore Ravens for their 26th pick (which they got from Jacksonville as they traded out of the top 10), their third (also from Jacksonville) and sixth. They got Flacco, we got DBrown, Steve Slaton, & Dominic Barber.

Knowing what you know right now, would you make that trade again?
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Tough question .... But its entirely possible you could have had both Flacco with your #18 pick & traded up from the 2nd round to get Brown after both Jeff Otah & Sam Baker were taken by Carloina @ 19 and Atlanta @ 21.

The Texans would have had #2:48 meaning they would have had to move ~22 spots to get to #26. I have to wonder what it would have cost to make that move.
Brown was the last of the top tier tackles , another wasn't taken until pick #65.

I really liked Flacco in that draft , but I get the feeling that the Texans were afraid of his being from a small school.


Brown & Flacco appears better than Schaub , Slaton & Barber.
 
Corrosion said:
I really liked Flacco in that draft , but I get the feeling that the Texans were afraid of his being from a small school.
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But he wasn't from a small school, he was from Pittsburgh. He lost the starting job & transferred to the smaller school so he could play.

That would bother me.

Similar to Savage, except he wasn't smart enough to realize he wasn't eligible to play at an FBS school for another year. While Flacco went on to play, Savage sat on his butt for a year, before transferring to Pittsburgh, where he was.. eh...

But that's what would have bothered me, the coaches didn't feel good enough about Flacco to start him & instead of competing head on & winning, he transferred to a smaller school.

At least Cam Newton (totally different circumstances) transferred back into the FBS & kicked asz.
 
thunderkyss said:
But he wasn't from a small school, he was from Pittsburgh. He lost the starting job & transferred to the smaller school so he could play.

That would bother me.

Similar to Savage, except he wasn't smart enough to realize he wasn't eligible to play at an FBS school for another year. While Flacco went on to play, Savage sat on his butt for a year, before transferring to Pittsburgh, where he was.. eh...

But that's what would have bothered me, the coaches didn't feel good enough about Flacco to start him & instead of competing head on & winning, he transferred to a smaller school.

At least Cam Newton (totally different circumstances) transferred back into the FBS & kicked asz.
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Flacco played at the powerhouse that is Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens. His time at Pittsburgh was as a redshirt and a backup.
 
PapaL said:
Flacco played at the powerhouse that is Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens. His time at Pittsburgh was as a redshirt and a backup.
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Uh... yeah... I gave the longer version.


If I were a GM or whatever during that draft, It's not that he was a fighting Blue Hen that would have bothered me, it was that he shied away from competition, which led him to be a Blue Hen.

Then I made the comparison to Tom Savage, who lost his starting job & ended up not playing for a year then finishing up at Pittsburgh.
 
5. A few teams with quarterback needs have an interesting strategy. I’ve heard that at least four quarterback-needy teams—Houston (first pick), Jacksonville (3), Cleveland (4) and Oakland (5)—are strongly considering passing on quarterbacks with their first picks and waiting until their second or third selections. Simple reason: They’re not in love with any of the quarterbacks, and there are too many other good players who are surer things than a quarterback you have sincere doubts about. For that reason, there could be more quarterbacks taken in round two than round one. For instance, Jacksonville really likes Jimmy Garoppolo of Eastern Illinois, and he’d likely be there high in the second round when the Jags pick again, at 39.
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thunderkyss said:
But he wasn't from a small school, he was from Pittsburgh. He lost the starting job & transferred to the smaller school so he could play.

That would bother me.
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Flacco didn't lose the starting job. Palko was the starter and was setting school records and receiving Big East accolades, etc. The coach didn't replace that with unproven Flacco. In the end he probably regretted that decision.

thunderkyss said:
It's not that he was a fighting Blue Hen that would have bothered me, it was that he shied away from competition, which led him to be a Blue Hen.
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Given all your comments about TB's level of competition the former seems unlikely. So he was just supposed to sit around wasting years of eligibility with no opportunity to be on the field and show anyone anything? Sometimes the best way to show confidence is to say "coach you're making a mistake and I'm going to go somewhere and prove it." Clearly his plan was better.
 
NCTexan said:
So, I'm not a huge fan of Garoppolo. While his mechanics appear to be a thing of beauty, here are my issues:

First, he seems to struggle with phantom pressure at times and duck way before the pass rush gets there. He doesn't really seem to stand and deliver the ball when he sees a hit coming most times. Instead he relies too much on trying to slip and duck his way out of it.

Second, I'm charting some of his games, and I've only down Towson so far (Illinois St. next), but from that one game I'm definitely a bit worried. He had no throws in the 10-19 yard range outside of one incomplete pass outside the left hash marks. He attempted 5 passes over 20 yards and completed one in the hashes, and one to the right, but had 3 incomplete to the left. Most of his throws were behind the line of scrimmage, or relatively close to it, even in the 0-9 yard range. I want to go back and look at those and break it down from 0-5 and 6-9, but without doing that it seemed like most were in the 0-5 range.

This may have been a bad game to watch and I'm open to changing my opinion when watching more, but between it and the videos of him reacting to phantom pressure, I think he's fools gold right now.
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The phantom pressure thing doesn't bother me. Him slipping away shows me that he knows how to work the pocket. The throwing to the left thing bothers me, but I didn't see this problem in the all star games and if his mechanics are as good as they appear to be BOB should have no problem cleaning this flaw up. But then again you've probably watched more film of Garappolo than I have.

With that said all QB's have weaknesses in their games coming out of college, including the big 3. But give me the guy with great mechanics and a good head on his shoulders. He's more likely to fix the warts. It's really up to any of these QB's at the top of this draft to work hard and study hard to improve. Out of the top 7 QB's 2/3 of them will put in the work and become great starters. I'm betting on Garappolo.
 
thunderkyss said:
Question for you. The year before that draft, we had traded two 2nd round picks (2007 & 2008) for Matt Schaub. When it was our turn to pick in the 2008 draft, Joe Flacco was there.

We traded down with the Baltimore Ravens for their 26th pick (which they got from Jacksonville as they traded out of the top 10), their third (also from Jacksonville) and sixth. They got Flacco, we got DBrown, Steve Slaton, & Dominic Barber.

Knowing what you know right now, would you make that trade again?
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I didn't like the schaub trade,but I understood it.Kubes got the job because I'm sure he told mcnair he could fix carr. He quickly found out as the nfl did that carr couldn't be. So the pro personel guys found schaub who was stuck behind vick who ran wco in college. The weight of his contract made them pass on qbs in the draft. U don't give up 2 2nd rd picks and 48m and draft a qb high. You can tell they were at their end with schaub until he threw for 4k and stayed healthy.

My point of the article is you have to ignore the noise,identify the right qb,and make the pick. As the article stated, ryan was anywhere from 1-9. Look through old predraft talk as I do, and make your own assessment of qbs. I know this and recent nfl history will tell you,get the qb in the 1st rd. If its a 2nd rd guy,you have to be right on him or its a wasted pick also like claussen,henne.
 
Corrosion said:
Tough question .... But its entirely possible you could have had both Flacco with your #18 pick & traded up from the 2nd round to get Brown after both Jeff Otah & Sam Baker were taken by Carloina @ 19 and Atlanta @ 21.

The Texans would have had #2:48 meaning they would have had to move ~22 spots to get to #26. I have to wonder what it would have cost to make that move.
Brown was the last of the top tier tackles , another wasn't taken until pick #65.

I really liked Flacco in that draft , but I get the feeling that the Texans were afraid of his being from a small school.


Brown & Flacco appears better than Schaub , Slaton & Barber.
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I wonder if Mosley/Nix is available at 2-1 would the Texans pick him? Then would they be willing to trade back up to say 35 to take say Garappolo/Mettenberger/Savage/Murray and how much would the cost be? 3-1/5-1 & a 2015 3rd? Would you do a deal like that?

There seem to be some similarities between Flacco and Savage.
 
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