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Blake Bortles

How did this thread turn into a VY vs Bortles debate. Nothing happened at the weigh to change my mind of who I think is and will be the better qb. I like bortles 2nd to TB,but I don't have to use another player who didn't make it to bring him down. Texian likes Bortles as do a lot others on this board.
 
this guy is the biggest of the 3 qbs in question yet has the smallest hands.

not only that, he played the weakest competition yet had the most fumbles while the guy who everybody wants to slag for his size has the least fumbles despite being the smallest of the 3 while playing vs the toughest competition.

Bortles will be a bust.

I dont understand how this guy is suddenly in competition for #1 overall pick.

Even his whole "im a good guy, i will never shame my last name unlike johhnny" comment reeks of phoniness. A true good guy will never hype up how good he is and try to subtlety slam another player the way he just tried to do to manziel.

Not only will bortles be a bust but he is also a fraud with his holier than thou act that he pulled today.

lol at people thinking that's gold. smdh.
 
Lord Bills said:
this guy is the biggest of the 3 qbs in question yet has the smallest hands.That distinction goes to Teddy B at 9 1/4" (but that's not small)

not only that, he played the weakest competition yet had the most fumbles while the guy who everybody wants to slag for his size has the least fumbles despite being the smallest of the 3 while playing vs the toughest competition.

Negative Ghost Rider, that distinction goes to Louisville whose Strength of Schedule was #115 out of #125.

Bortles will be a bust.

Even I think it's a little early to say Bortles will have a BUST in the HOF. Or as Bill Parcels says, it's a little early to put him in the HOF.

I dont understand how this guy is suddenly in competition for #1 overall pick.

Not to worry, there are many others who also don't understand. Hint: (6) 2nd half come from behind victories; (4) GAME WINNING DRIVES, Beat Billy O'Brien in State College PA and BEAT Teddy B in Louisville.

Even his whole "im a good guy, i will never shame my last name unlike johhnny" comment reeks of phoniness. A true good guy will never hype up how good he is and try to subtlety slam another player the way he just tried to do to manziel.

Not only will bortles be a bust but he is also a fraud with his holier than thou act that he pulled today.

Not to be confused with the, THOU SHALT NOT SPEAK ILL, ONLY IN GLORIOUS PRAISE OF TEDDY BRIDGEWATER OR I WILL SMITE YOU Fan Club

lol at people thinking that's gold. smdh.
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Honoring Earl 34 said:
VY won the big one and he was 6'5 . VY was raw like Bortles and had close to the same hand size and without looking I'll bet VY's stats are as good or better in a much tougher conference at the time .

*2005 Texas Big 12 QB 13 212 325 65.2 3036 9.3 9.6 26 10 163.9
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I don't care how he looks in shorts or his interview demeanor, he struggles throwing to his left. His accuracy nose dives, go watch the film.
 
Good Morning, #1 in your NFL Combine QB Program is Blake Bortles. Blake will throwing today. Manziel and Bridgewater...uh NO! Blake will be doing all the drills, so will Manziel....Bridgewater...uh NO!

Bortles = 4.81
 
2014 NFL combine: Bortles-Beckham show leads QB/WR positional drills

Rob Rang ‏@RobRang
30 yr NFL vet. RT @greggabe I'll take McCarron over Bortles 100% of the time. I've have liked AJ since I started doing tape on him in Aug.
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Greg Gabriel ‏@greggabe
I know McCarron had great players around him, but his receivers weren't close to being top players. Not close to what LSU had

knows what he can't do. Leader, seldom forces things. Makes plays etc etc

If a team drafts Bortles in the 2nd round, I have no complaints. That's where he belongs. Not high in the 1st

In my opinion, Bortles is more Gabbert than Luck. Don't forget most of you were on the Gabbert band wagon a few yrs ago

Can't buy in to the Bortles hype. I have watched 8 games and don't see a 1st round QB. Question his instincts. Wont know for 2 more years
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Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline
Sitting at workout & impressed as hell by timing Blake Bortles is showing with strange receivers...has a lot of teams in attendance buzzing.
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Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler
I've been saying it since Bill O'Brien was hired but QB Blake Bortles looks like the clear favorite to be drafted No. 1 by HOU #NFLCombine

Just watched the QB/WR positional drills live from the stands. It was the Bortles-Beckham show. Both were outstanding #NFLCombine
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Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris
Opinion: Fairly noticeable difference between the hang time of Bortles and McCarron on these throws, though.

I actually think Bortles is a pretty damn good athlete.

A lot of draft twitter has said it before, but from most "bases" I would not call Bortles a big armed passer. Big body does not = big arm.
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Joel Klatt ‏@joelklatt
For QB's the amount of guys that are struggling with 7 step drop is staggering today. Bortles, McCarron, & Garoppolo doing well
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Texian said:
Good Morning, #1 in your NFL Combine QB Program is Blake Bortles. Blake will throwing today. Manziel and Bridgewater...uh NO! Blake will be doing all the drills, so will Manziel....Bridgewater...uh NO!

Bortles = 4.81
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Greg Robinson out ran Bortles at 332 lbs . :pirate:
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Greg Robinson out ran Bortles at 332 lbs . :pirate:
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There is absolutely NO DOUBT or QUESTION that Greg Robinson is an amazignly fast BIG man.

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John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 16m

Gil Brandt on Bortles: "He didn't throw that well at first, but he really picked it up. He threw better here (combine) than Cam Newton did."
 
INDIANAPOLIS -- Central Florida's Blake Bortles took advantage of the spotlight provided with the other high profile quarterbacks opting not to compete at the Combine, impressive with his poise, accuracy and arm strength during passing drills.

For a quarterback too often characterized as raw, Bortles was smooth in his set up and release, tossing darts down the field. His accuracy and footwork on his three-step drops were excellent, showing very good rhythm, timing and precision to rip it with very good target placement. He was a tick late with his seven-step drops and has room to improve his feet and balance in this area, but Bortles was still able to be accurate down the field, especially on deep bucket throws.

His stellar throwing session could help vault him into the No. 1 overall pick.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24454779/nfl-combine-five-takeaways-from-sunday
 
This is the time when it's hard to see bs from reality. Is he tearing it up or or they questioning arm strength? He's definitely athletic
 
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Louis Riddick ‏@LRiddickESPN
If you ever get a chance to view/evaluate QB's, especially in live action or workouts, with a proven QB coach, DO it.

Curious to view his Pro Day throwing.

...and I am not speaking about his accuracy.

Was not alone in thinking the ease with which Bortles was able 2 get the ball where it needed 2 be was less than ideal in workout.
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I'm not even a Bortles fan, but I thought he looked just fine today. Did he make my eyes pop and say WOW? No, but I thought he was solid.
 
Bortles did what I expected him to do which is to have a solid showing. I fully expect him to be the Texans next QB and have the moment we hired O'Brien.
 
JB said:
spoken by someone who would only speak if he stayed behind the curtain
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I don't think there is a real strong argument for Bortles being hands down the safer between the two (Manziel), Bridgewater would be safest amongst the three. But Bortles has IMHO has just as many question marks as Manziel. He has great size, and people seem to think that equates to big arm, but from what I have seen and read he as an above average not elite arm. Big does not always equal strong in terms of arm strength. This might sound crazy to some but I think Manziel might have a slightly better arm. People talk about Manziel's off script impromptu ad libbing etc, but Bortles did similar things with his size and shedding off guys in the pocket. They both too often didn't let plays develop when their first reads weren't there they went off script, just in different ways, Johnny running, Bortles keeping the play alive to throw. The conventional wisdom is that this won't work for Manziel because he won't be as elusive against better athletes. You can say the same thing for Bortles because the players are stronger as well, Bortles was loose with the football with a lot of fumbles. What I am trying to say is both guys are raw and have much to learn. One guy has size, one guy has quickness. Johnny seems to be more electric in his edge.
 
BETTING ON UCF'S BLAKE BORTLES

By Jerry Angelo
The reason I like Bortles best is because he’s the prototype of what successful NFL quarterbacks historically look like. He’s got a big arm, can run and extend plays with his size and mobility. Those traits are critical for the success of any quarterback.
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With Bortles, the Texans would get a guy that can change their fortunes pretty quickly and the player gets to go to a team with a great supporting cast and a head coach who knows how to groom him. We saw the same thing happen two years ago when Andrew Luck came out and went to Indy where he had the perfect coach in Bruce Arians. Remember that Bortles would have better talent around him than Luck had around him in Indianapolis as a rookie.
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read more: http://thesidelineview.com/columns/draft/betting-ucfs-blake-bortles
 
jradMIT said:
I don't think there is a real strong argument for Bortles being hands down the safer between the two (Manziel), Bridgewater would be safest amongst the three. But Bortles has IMHO has just as many question marks as Manziel. He has great size, and people seem to think that equates to big arm, but from what I have seen and read he as an above average not elite arm. Big does not always equal strong in terms of arm strength. This might sound crazy to some but I think Manziel might have a slightly better arm. People talk about Manziel's off script impromptu ad libbing etc, but Bortles did similar things with his size and shedding off guys in the pocket. They both too often didn't let plays develop when their first reads weren't there they went off script, just in different ways, Johnny running, Bortles keeping the play alive to throw. The conventional wisdom is that this won't work for Manziel because he won't be as elusive against better athletes. You can say the same thing for Bortles because the players are stronger as well, Bortles was loose with the football with a lot of fumbles. What I am trying to say is both guys are raw and have much to learn. One guy has size, one guy has quickness. Johnny seems to be more electric in his edge.
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Agreed, they both are going to suffer many growing pains.

You knw who does have elite arm strength? Murray/Mettenberger. Murray reminds me a lot of Brees. 6'0 tall, elite arm strength, good feel for the game. Won a lot of games in college but had the rep of not being able to win big games.
 
a lot of what people like about bortles is his size. my question is why? why does an "elite" QB have to have the "prototypical" size of 6.5ft 230lbs.

How many of the top 10 guys in the NFL at the moment have that same size???
 
aussie_texan said:
a lot of what people like about bortles is his size. my question is why? why does an "elite" QB have to have the "prototypical" size of 6.5ft 230lbs.

How many of the top 10 guys in the NFL at the moment have that same size???
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Bradford 6-4
Brady 6-4
Cassel 6-4
Flacco 6-6
Foles 6-6
Gabbert 6-4
Glennon 6-6
Kaepernick 6-4
Luck 6-4
Mallett 6-6
E. Manning 6-4
P. Manning 6-5
EJ Manuel 6-4
Newton 6-5
Dan Orlovsky 6-6
Carson Palmer 6-5
Terrelle Pryor 6-4
Rivers 6-5
Ben Roethlisberger 6-5
Matt Ryan 6-4
Matt Schaub 6-5
Alex Smith 6-4
Ryan Tannehill 6-4
TJ Yates 6-4

was going to do Top 10 but seemed like an exercise opportunity to explore your question. Russel Wilson is the exception to the rule 5-11, same as Manziel, which is probably his closest comp, along with Drew Brees @ 6-0 FWIW. Aaron Rodgers is 6-2 has often been compared to Bridgewater. Both are & would be exceptions to the rule.

Bortles really helped himself by competing in everything while others picked & choose tests & didn't do so well. still Bortles didn't wow me in any of his tests, except that he was consistent & competitive. This is kinda funny but Texian may just well be right afterall. Brady was nothing to write home about either but he competed, Bortles looks like twice the prospect now, who knows what Bill O'Brian could do with him?
 
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Bradford 6-4
Brady 6-4
Cassel 6-4
Flacco 6-6
Foles 6-6
Gabbert 6-4
Glennon 6-6
Kaepernick 6-4
Luck 6-4
Mallett 6-6
E. Manning 6-4
P. Manning 6-5
EJ Manuel 6-4
Newton 6-5
Dan Orlovsky 6-6
Carson Palmer 6-5
Terrelle Pryor 6-4
Rivers 6-5
Ben Roethlisberger 6-5
Matt Ryan 6-4
Matt Schaub 6-5
Alex Smith 6-4
Ryan Tannehill 6-4
TJ Yates 6-4
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bolded are the ones i consider to the right of the QB bell curve or with the potential to be (namely luck, kaep, foles).

thats 7 guys. as you mentioned rogers, brees and wilson are all below 6.4 and are to the right of the bell curve and have all won SB unlike some of the pervious 7.

my point is, why is size valued so much in drafting a prospect that when it comes down to the top guys size doesn't equate?
 
aussie_texan said:
a lot of what people like about bortles is his size. my question is why? why does an "elite" QB have to have the "prototypical" size of 6.5ft 230lbs.

How many of the top 10 guys in the NFL at the moment have that same size???
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jradMIT said:
Bortles isn't in a pro set is raw and no where near the athlete. The similarities end with there size.
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Then why is Bortles saying he played in a Pro Style Offense? The above comments are the common talking points of pretend scouts, media and talking hairdos. For someone who is raw, inexperienced, a lesser athlete he did go to Louisville and beat the guy the pretend scouts, media and talking hairdos say is the most NFL ready QB who played in the most NFL style offense and is the best athlete. Bortles also went to State College PA and beat another Pro Style Offense as an underdog. Bortles also played in the Fiesta Bowl, a FCS Bowl as the largest underdog in FCS Bowl history and won. So, Bortles and UCF ended up 12-1, league champions and won their FCS Bowl and there is not much left for Bortles to prove. Not to shabby for a guy who plays in gimmick offense, is raw, inexperienced and is a so so athlete.

But if you want to believe that he's raw, inexperienced, a lesser athlete in a gimmick offense, that's the way it will be. Because people hear and see what they want to see and hear, which may or may not be the actual reality of the situation.
 
beerlover said:
Bradford 6-4
Brady 6-4
Cassel 6-4
Flacco 6-6
Foles 6-6
Gabbert 6-4
Glennon 6-6
Kaepernick 6-4
Luck 6-4
Mallett 6-6
E. Manning 6-4
P. Manning 6-5
EJ Manuel 6-4
Newton 6-5
Dan Orlovsky 6-6
Carson Palmer 6-5
Terrelle Pryor 6-4
Rivers 6-5
Ben Roethlisberger 6-5
Matt Ryan 6-4
Matt Schaub 6-5
Alex Smith 6-4
Ryan Tannehill 6-4
TJ Yates 6-4

was going to do Top 10 but seemed like an exercise opportunity to explore your question. Russel Wilson is the exception to the rule 5-11, same as Manziel, which is probably his closest comp, along with Drew Brees @ 6-0 FWIW. Aaron Rodgers is 6-2 has often been compared to Bridgewater. Both are & would be exceptions to the rule.

Bortles really helped himself by competing in everything while others picked & choose tests & didn't do so well. still Bortles didn't wow me in any of his tests, except that he was consistent & competitive. This is kinda funny but Texian may just well be right afterall. Brady was nothing to write home about either but he competed, Bortles looks like twice the prospect now, who knows what Bill O'Brian could do with him?
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Short list of QB's

The Elite

Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Aaron Rodgers
Peyton Manning


2 of the Elite guys are undersized. Height doesn't prevent someone from being the elite. Aaron Rodgers might be considered the best guy in the league right now and he is 6 2.
 
Texian said:
Then why is Bortles saying he played in a Pro Style Offense? The above comments are the common talking points of pretend scouts, media and talking hairdos. For someone who is raw, inexperienced, a lesser athlete he did go to Louisville and beat the guy the pretend scouts, media and talking hairdos say is the most NFL ready QB who played in the most NFL style offense and is the best athlete. Bortles also went to State College PA and beat another Pro Style Offense as an underdog. Bortles also played in the Fiesta Bowl, a FCS Bowl as the largest underdog in FCS Bowl history and won. So, Bortles and UCF ended up 12-1, league champions and won their FCS Bowl and there is not much left for Bortles to prove. Not to shabby for a guy who plays in gimmick offense, is raw, inexperienced and is a so so athlete.

But if you want to believe that he's raw, inexperienced, a lesser athlete in a gimmick offense, that's the way it will be. Because people hear and see what they want to see and hear, which may or may not be the actual reality of the situation.
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Yes Bortles beat Louisville, Bortles beat Baylor, Bortles beat Penn State. Its amazing because it was 1 on 11. He played defense, got those turnovers. Caught his own passes, and did you see all those runs after the catches. I mean against Baylor and Penn state he caught his own pass and turned and 50+yds for Touchdowns. Why is this a discussion, one mere mortal beat 3 top notch college teams all by himself. Did you see that amazing play against Louisville when he literally beat Bridgewater one on one and spiked it in his face. Not to mention those INT's he didn't throw against Baylor.

Anyone who takes a team win and directly associates it with one individuals value in of itself is on a slippery slope. There are a whole bunch of guys who won games who aren't good QB's. There are a guys in the pros who won games and led comebacks who weren't good quarterbacks, Tebow and Vince come to mine. And no I am not comparing him to either just your argument in support of him. Team wins are often the talking points of those hairdo's that you hold in such contempt. And yes the guy isn't in a pro offense, I mean like half of his throws are bubble screens and he was in the gun a lot.
 
jradMIT said:
Yes Bortles beat Louisville, Bortles beat Baylor, Bortles beat Penn State. Its amazing because it was 1 on 11. He played defense, got those turnovers. Caught his own passes, and did you see all those runs after the catches. I mean against Baylor and Penn state he caught his own pass and turned and 50+yds for Touchdowns. Why is this a discussion, one mere mortal beat 3 top notch college teams all by himself. Did you see that amazing play against Louisville when he literally beat Bridgewater one on one and spiked it in his face. Not to mention those INT's he didn't throw against Baylor.

Anyone who takes a team win and directly associates it with one individuals value in of itself is on a slippery slope. There are a whole bunch of guys who won games who aren't good QB's. There are a guys in the pros who won games and led comebacks who weren't good quarterbacks, Tebow and Vince come to mine. And no I am not comparing him to either just your argument in support of him. Team wins are often the talking points of those hairdo's that you hold in such contempt. And yes the guy isn't in a pro offense, I mean like half of his throws are bubble screens and he was in the gun a lot.
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Like I said, people want to see and hear what they want to hear and see, regardless......when was the last time UCF was 12-1, league champion and won a major bowl game?
 
Texian said:
Like I said, people want to see and hear what they want to hear and see, regardless......when was the last time UCF was 12-1, league champion and won a major bowl game?
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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...
 
Texian said:
Because people hear and see what they want to see and hear, which may or may not be the actual reality of the situation.
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The sad thing in all this is i'm not even that opposed to Bortles. Between he TB & Clowney, he's my 3rd option for the Texans if they wind up using 1:1.

But posters like Texian.....are beginning to make me not like the guy. Using team accolades like they're his & his alone....like the other 2 guys who are possibilities at qb don't have those same team accolades.

The only thing special about Bortles as of right now is that he's got the frame that everyone covets. Everything else is patently mediocore & his decision making at times last year was down right horrid..

& lets quit it with giving the guy brownies points as a "competitor" b/c he chose to throw at the combine & the others didn't. He only did that b/c he had the most to gain & he's pretty much on the outside looking in for the #1 pick; unlike the other 2 guys. I have 0 doubt that if he was in a different position for #1 overall, he wouldn't have thrown either.
 
Mr teX said:
The sad thing in all this is i'm not even that opposed to Bortles. Between he TB & Clowney, he's my 3rd option for the Texans if they wind up using 1:1.

But posters like Texian.....are beginning to make me not like the guy. Using team accolades like they're his & his alone....like the other 2 guys who are possibilities at qb don't have those same team accolades.

The only thing special about Bortles as of right now is that he's got the frame that everyone covets. Everything else is patently mediocore & his decision making at times last year was down right horrid..

& lets quit it with giving the guy brownies points as a "competitor" b/c he chose to throw at the combine & the others didn't. He only did that b/c he had the most to gain & he's pretty much on the outside looking in for the #1 pick; unlike the other 2 guys. I have 0 doubt that if he was in a different position for #1 overall, he wouldn't have thrown either.
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Thanks for making my case and point...
 
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