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Kubiak's Next Destination

I always thought Flacco would've been the ideal QB in the Texans offense. I'm anxious to see this actually happen.

The big risk is how soon the linemen can learn the pure ZBS. All success hinges on that.

I'm happy for Kubiak though.
 
Kubiak hiring may be a signal...
But the more intriguing note from Preston is that the move was driven by owner Steve Bisciotti and General Manager Ozzie Newsome, and that head coach John Harbaugh was a “non-factor” in the move.
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But that would signal something well less than a mandate for head coach John Harbaugh, who you would think was rather secure since he won a Super Bowl a year ago.

Bisciotti previously declared to Preston he was patient, “but I don’t have to be patient enough to let people repeat failure.”

“I’ll be more apt to get my way next year if their solutions don’t change the problems. That’s fair, that’s where I am as owner,” he said. “They know they’ve failed, they know they need to change, and to make improvements. If it’s not the way I think it should be and then it fails again, then obviously it comes down to owner-head coach relationship.”
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Only fitting.. Baltimore always have tried to follow in our footsteps with the ZBS, I should have known that's where he was gonna end up..
 
WTH with the Ravens taking the Texans outcasts?

Wonder how this is gonna work, seeing Kubiak was one of the guys that Harbaugh said didn't believe in Jacoby Jones when Harbaugh asked Jones how it felt to finally have a coach that believes in him after one of Jones' punt returns.

Now he has to coach him again as a WR?

Awkward...
 
Dennison right there with him. Jeez if anyone had any doubts that Kubes had a buddy system going on this is proof enough. Marciano never had his job in jeopardy and if it were not for Mr. Mcnair, we would not have had Phillips. Good ridance and goodbye, I know we will only see good things from here on out in Houston with that whole system gone.
 
houstonspartan said:
I still think Kubiak's offense is stale, boring and predictable. Just because they hired him, doesn't mean it isn't. The NFL is probably the most insular business in the country. People fail up, and get hired by their buddies.

I wish Kubiak the best because he's a good dude. But as a play caller, he's terrible.

Onward.
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I guess when the Texans host the Ravens this year in Reliant, we will see if you, and many of the other Kubiak haters are right. Better start getting your excuse list together now though.

Thorn said:
I remember him being with someone, but not specifically which team. So now I know. Not that I will remember this in a few weeks.

Because of his knowledge of the current players could be helpful for a division rival, even though the playbook will be changed.
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So how would that be helpful if the entire system has changed? You mean they would try to exploit players physical tendencies? I highly doubt that would be of any use to another team. I think it's more likely that you do not want to have to hear it from other fans when Kubiak Succeeds and debunks all of the crap you Kubiak haters spewed for years now.

revan said:
Dennison right there with him. Jeez if anyone had any doubts that Kubes had a buddy system going on this is proof enough. Marciano never had his job in jeopardy and if it were not for Mr. Mcnair, we would not have had Phillips. Good ridance and goodbye, I know we will only see good things from here on out in Houston with that whole system gone.
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I know this is a stretch, but is it at all possible that Dennison is with him because he is good at what he does, and knows the system saving Kubiak time and energy? If it was all about your buddies, then wouldn't every coach Kubiak hired be with him now in Baltimore?

I can tell you, I have brought people with me when I switched companies, but not because they were my friends, but rather because they were good at what they did, and I did not have to train a new person to do it how I want it done. Why is everything a conspiracy with some people?

Gary is a good dude, and good at what he does, and I hope he has success in Baltimore, and yeah I will probably be secretly rooting for him when he comes to Reliant in 2014 for a little payback for the lousy way he was let go from the Texans.
 
Nitrofish said:
I guess when the Texans host the Ravens this year in Reliant, we will see if you, and many of the other Kubiak haters are right. Better start getting your excuse list together now though.



So how would that be helpful if the entire system has changed? You mean they would try to exploit players physical tendencies? I highly doubt that would be of any use to another team. I think it's more likely that you do not want to have to hear it from other fans when Kubiak Succeeds and debunks all of the crap you Kubiak haters spewed for years now.



I know this is a stretch, but is it at all possible that Dennison is with him because he is good at what he does, and knows the system saving Kubiak time and energy? If it was all about your buddies, then wouldn't every coach Kubiak hired be with him now in Baltimore?

I can tell you, I have brought people with me when I switched companies, but not because they were my friends, but rather because they were good at what they did, and I did not have to train a new person to do it how I want it done. Why is everything a conspiracy with some people?

Gary is a good dude, and good at what he does, and I hope he has success in Baltimore, and yeah I will probably be secretly rooting for him when he comes to Reliant in 2014 for a little payback for the lousy way he was let go from the Texans.
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Fair points. I dont think every coach can be hired because its Harbaugh's show not Kubiak's though. Thats why the fact that Dennison was there also at the same time brought that assumption for me. I dont think he is a bad OC but he did leave a bad taste for me in Houston as a HC.
 
revan said:
Fair points. I dont think every coach can be hired because its Harbaugh's show not Kubiak's though. Thats why the fact that Dennison was there also at the same time brought that assumption for me. I dont think he is a bad OC but he did leave a bad taste for me in Houston as a HC.
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Reports are that Harbaugh was out of the loop when it came to this hire. In other words, Newsome and the owner are forcing Kubiak on Harbaugh. So it would not be too much of a stretch to believe that if Kubiak wanted to play "The Good Ol' Boy" game he could have.

It has also been reported that Kubiak turned down the Browns offer as OC because they would not allow the kind of control he was requesting, which means he asked for the same kind of control from the Ravens and got it.

If Kubiak's offense does well, I could envision him as the Ravens Head Coach within the next 3-5 years.
 
But the more intriguing note from Preston is that the move was driven by owner Steve Bisciotti and General Manager Ozzie Newsome, and that head coach John Harbaugh was a “non-factor” in the move.
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Good for Gary Kubiak and all that. But if this is true, that sucks for John Harbaugh. The guy delivered a Lombardi trophy to the owner a year ago. And the team's decline had a lot more to do with free agent losses, retirements, and injuries than poor coaching.

There's a time for an owner to step in and impose his will (McNair hiring Wade, for instance). One year after a Super Bowl win is not that time. I can't see how foisting Kubiak on Harbaugh will be good for team chemistry. Maybe Harbaugh (a career 5-1 vs. Kubiak) knows something that the owner and GM don't?
 
Spent some time on the Ravens board and they seem overjoyed with the hire. Don't they know Kubiak is a loser, and everything bad that happened to the Texans was his fault and his offense is conservative, stale, & predictable?

Aren't they aware that the NFL has passed Kubiak by, and his career is over? You mean a recent Super Bowl winner is interested in a washed up loser like Kubiak? They could have had someone newer, and fresher, but they went with Kubiak?

All you Kubiak experts need to get over to their message board right away and explain to them what a horrible mistake they are making.
 
Nitrofish said:
Spent some time on the Ravens board and they seem overjoyed with the hire. Don't they know Kubiak is a loser, and everything bad that happened to the Texans was his fault and his offense is conservative, stale, & predictable?

Aren't they aware that the NFL has passed Kubiak by, and his career is over? You mean a recent Super Bowl winner is interested in a washed up loser like Kubiak? They could have had someone newer, and fresher, but they went with Kubiak?

All you Kubiak experts need to get over to their message board right away and explain to them what a horrible mistake they are making.
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Nah, they'll find out on their own.
 
handswarmer said:
Flacco's deal is 3 years 63 million.....look past the hype.
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How does that refute my argument that it is an overpriced contract? Even at 3 years 63 million Joe is taking up over 12% of your teams salary cap the next 2 seasons. Even if you do cut him after that you are still going to have 12 million in dead money the 2 seasons after that.
 
htowntexans1985 said:
Their is this guy named Peyton. He plays for the Broncos. Which play in the AFC. Which automatically makes them the favorite. Don't let your love for kubes cloud your vision. I would even say the Colts, Bengals, chiefs, patriots, and chargers are all better than the ravens at this point. The ravens need a rb and help on the oline. Who knows, flacco might run off kubiak in week 6.
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If Kubiak can make Schaub look nigh elite, I think he's going to make Flacco elite.
 
Lucky said:
Good for Gary Kubiak and all that. But if this is true, that sucks for John Harbaugh. The guy delivered a Lombardi trophy to the owner a year ago. And the team's decline had a lot more to do with free agent losses, retirements, and injuries than poor coaching.

There's a time for an owner to step in and impose his will (McNair hiring Wade, for instance). One year after a Super Bowl win is not that time. I can't see how foisting Kubiak on Harbaugh will be good for team chemistry. Maybe Harbaugh (a career 5-1 vs. Kubiak) knows something that the owner and GM don't?
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I'm just as shocked as anyone to have read that quote from Biscotti, but wow.... I can't imagine McNair saying anything like that. Even after losing 14 straight, I don't think I heard him say the word "failure" in relation to the team.

I'd have thought Harbaugh would have won some benefit of the doubt, but thinking about what they've done over the last 4 years or so.... they want Flacco to be an elite type QB & they haven't got it yet. Sounds like they're blaming Harbaugh & his OC decisions (the Jim Caldwell one never made sense to me, can't imagine that guy is a HC again.).

Sounds like there's already going to be tension between the offense & the defense, Kubiak & Harbaugh... & they don't have the defensive personnel they used to.

Without a doubt, this shows that owners think differently than we do.
 
Nitrofish said:
I guess when the Texans host the Ravens this year in Reliant, we will see if you, and many of the other Kubiak haters are right. Better start getting your excuse list together now though.







So how would that be helpful if the entire system has changed? You mean they would try to exploit players physical tendencies? I highly doubt that would be of any use to another team. I think it's more likely that you do not want to have to hear it from other fans when Kubiak Succeeds and debunks all of the crap you Kubiak haters spewed for years now.







I know this is a stretch, but is it at all possible that Dennison is with him because he is good at what he does, and knows the system saving Kubiak time and energy? If it was all about your buddies, then wouldn't every coach Kubiak hired be with him now in Baltimore?



I can tell you, I have brought people with me when I switched companies, but not because they were my friends, but rather because they were good at what they did, and I did not have to train a new person to do it how I want it done. Why is everything a conspiracy with some people?



Gary is a good dude, and good at what he does, and I hope he has success in Baltimore, and yeah I will probably be secretly rooting for him when he comes to Reliant in 2014 for a little payback for the lousy way he was let go from the Texans.
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Lousy way he was let go? He was fired after 8 years. Most coaches get 3 or 4! And he didn't hit the playoffs until after his 5th year!

Shaking my head at all the sudden revisionist history going on regarding Kubiak.


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Lucky said:
Good for Gary Kubiak and all that. But if this is true, that sucks for John Harbaugh. The guy delivered a Lombardi trophy to the owner a year ago. And the team's decline had a lot more to do with free agent losses, retirements, and injuries than poor coaching.
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It's always a combination but I'm not so sure in this case.

Flacco went from a QB rating of 115+ in the playoffs to 73 this season in which his coaches went ape**** calling passing plays. That is an epic fall which surpassess Schaub's fall (which coincidentally was from a less lofty beginning to the same 73 this season) without any excuse of QB injury.

The injuries and retirements were mainly D and it stayed ranked the same giving up just .5 ppg more. The O cratered.
 
infantrycak said:
It's always a combination but I'm not so sure in this case.

Flacco went from a QB rating of 115+ in the playoffs to 73 this season in which his coaches went ape**** calling passing plays. That is an epic fall which surpassess Schaub's fall (which coincidentally was from a less lofty beginning to the same 73 this season) without any excuse of QB injury.

The injuries and retirements were mainly D and it stayed ranked the same giving up just .5 ppg more. The O cratered.
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And don't forget about the epic fail of a season that Ray Rice had ..... Pretty much killed my wife's fantasy team along with Matt Ryan.
 
infantrycak said:
...Flacco went from a QB rating of 115+ in the playoffs to 73 this season in which his coaches went ape**** calling passing plays. That is an epic fall which surpassess Schaub's fall (which coincidentally was from a less lofty beginning to the same 73 this season) without any excuse of QB injury.

The injuries and retirements were mainly D and it stayed ranked the same giving up just .5 ppg more. The O cratered.
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Yet the OC got a head coaching gig. Will be interesting to see what Caldwell does in Detroit.
 
houstonspartan said:
Lousy way he was let go? He was fired after 8 years. Most coaches get 3 or 4! And he didn't hit the playoffs until after his 5th year!

Shaking my head at all the sudden revisionist history going on regarding Kubiak.
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I am specifically talking about firing him with 3 games left, and more importantly the year after the best season in Franchise history. After all of the years Kubiak gave, and made the Texans relevant, to be let go days before Christmas the was lousy, and classless.

And don't give me the the Texans needed a head start on the other teams to get their HC mumbo jumbo. You can bet they were talking to O'Brien long before week 13. To believe otherwise is naive. I know my opinion is not the popular one, and many of you enjoy railing on Kubiak and Schaub, but it's my opinion Kubiak was treated poorly at the end.
 
houstonspartan said:
Lousy way he was let go? He was fired after 8 years. Most coaches get 3 or 4! And he didn't hit the playoffs until after his 5th year!

Shaking my head at all the sudden revisionist history going on regarding Kubiak.


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We never had a winning season before he got here. I'd give him 4 years to get this club to winning (expecting three). Kubiak stopped the losing in his second season. We then had our first winning season in his fourth.

I'm also among the guys who didn't believe we were as bad as "we" say even in 2006. I think Kubiak's dumb decisions on gameday left points & wins on the board.

Still, after 2009 I'd expect to be in the play-offs 3 years later, no worse than 4. We were in the play offs 2 years later.

I had no problems with Kubiak's team, but something happened in 2013, Kubiak (I don't think) was making all the decisions anymore. Ed Reed, Sam Montgomery, & a few others, felt a little more panicky than I thought Kubiak would ever get.

I was upset he didn't try to win the game when he took Schaub out against SF. I was upset that he put Schaub back in the game that first time (I was thinking it was over by then anyway & Yates should have been the back up at that time).

So I have no problem letting him go. But I think the power hierchy got flipped & this thing started tearing itslef apart from the inside out. If I were the Bills, Browns, Lions, Cardinals, forever stuck in mediocrity I'd hire Kubiak in a second & give him 8 years to bring them where I believe the Texans are now.
 
Nitrofish said:
I am specifically talking about firing him with 3 games left, and more importantly the year after the best season in Franchise history. After all of the years Kubiak gave, and made the Texans relevant, to be let go days before Christmas the was lousy, and classless.

And don't give me the the Texans needed a head start on the other teams to get their HC mumbo jumbo. You can bet they were talking to O'Brien long before week 13. To believe otherwise is naive. I know my opinion is not the popular one, and many of you enjoy railing on Kubiak and Schaub, but it's my opinion Kubiak was treated poorly at the end.
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Don't forget he just had a stroke.
 
Nitrofish said:
I guess when the Texans host the Ravens this year in Reliant, we will see if you, and many of the other Kubiak haters are right. Better start getting your excuse list together now though.



So how would that be helpful if the entire system has changed? You mean they would try to exploit players physical tendencies? I highly doubt that would be of any use to another team. I think it's more likely that you do not want to have to hear it from other fans when Kubiak Succeeds and debunks all of the crap you Kubiak haters spewed for years now.



I know this is a stretch, but is it at all possible that Dennison is with him because he is good at what he does, and knows the system saving Kubiak time and energy? If it was all about your buddies, then wouldn't every coach Kubiak hired be with him now in Baltimore?

I can tell you, I have brought people with me when I switched companies, but not because they were my friends, but rather because they were good at what they did, and I did not have to train a new person to do it how I want it done. Why is everything a conspiracy with some people?

Gary is a good dude, and good at what he does, and I hope he has success in Baltimore, and yeah I will probably be secretly rooting for him when he comes to Reliant in 2014 for a little payback for the lousy way he was let go from the Texans.
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Are people haters because they disagrred with how Gary built his team and his blind loyalty to an obviously damaged goods Schaub?

2-14 you get fired. More especially if you choose to play Schaub over Keenum when your boss tells you not to play Schaub.
 
Nitrofish said:
I am specifically talking about firing him with 3 games left, and more importantly the year after the best season in Franchise history. After all of the years Kubiak gave, and made the Texans relevant, to be let go days before Christmas the was lousy, and classless.

And don't give me the the Texans needed a head start on the other teams to get their HC mumbo jumbo. You can bet they were talking to O'Brien long before week 13. To believe otherwise is naive. I know my opinion is not the popular one, and many of you enjoy railing on Kubiak and Schaub, but it's my opinion Kubiak was treated poorly at the end.
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If you lose you get fired.

Gary made a big round 8 yr circle. Took over a 2-14 team and a 2-14 team got Gary rightfully fired. Carry on with the Gary/Schaub love.
 
steelbtexan said:
Are people haters because they disagrred with how Gary built his team and his blind loyalty to an obviously damaged goods Schaub?

2-14 you get fired. More especially if you choose to play Schaub over Keenum when your boss tells you not to play Schaub.
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Seems like Kubiak was right. Texans wasted half the season playing Keenum, who won 0 games. I am with Kubiak on that one. If you hire me and tell me I have control, then tell me to play the UDFA, I would stick my finger in your eye too and play who I thought gave us the best chance to win.

No... haters are people who think they know better than someone of Kubiak's pedigree and not only 2nd guess every move he makes, but also rail against him every chance they get.

So a Super Bowl winning HOF running back disagrees with you regarding your assessment of Schaub, but we should listen to your expert advice about Schaub, right?
 
OzzO said:
Nah, they'll find out on their own.
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Yeah , they'll find out that the problem was that Schaub is broke and Keenum wasn't any better ... and that Marshall Faulk is smoking crack with the notion that Schuab gives the Texans their best shot in 2014.


steelbtexan said:
If you lose you get fired.

Gary made a big round 8 yr circle. Took over a 2-14 team and a 2-14 team got Gary rightfully fired. Carry on with the Gary/Schaub love.
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Gary didn't all the sudden forget how to coach after going 12-4 the year before .... Everything that happened to this team went about as bad as it could have for any coach. You coulda had Lombardi on the sidelines and they woulda gone 2-14.
He simply didn't have an NFL quarterback on the roster ... Schaub was damaged goods and we saw the beginnings of it at the tail end of 2012 .....


steelbtexan said:
Are people haters because they disagrred with how Gary built his team and his blind loyalty to an obviously damaged goods Schaub?

2-14 you get fired. More especially if you choose to play Schaub over Keenum when your boss tells you not to play Schaub.
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Assumption with absolutely no basis in fact.
 
Double Barrel said:
'eh, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

I have very little doubt that the Ravens win the AFC East in 2014.
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I have serious doubts the Ravens will win the AFC East in 2014.

Good hire for the Ravens either way, and I think that he'll be perfectly fine over there despite what bitter Texans fans here say. Going from Cameron and Caldwell to Kubiak is probably going to be a breath of fresh air for Ravens fans.
 
Nitrofish said:
Spent some time on the Ravens board and they seem overjoyed with the hire. Don't they know Kubiak is a loser, and everything bad that happened to the Texans was his fault and his offense is conservative, stale, & predictable?

Aren't they aware that the NFL has passed Kubiak by, and his career is over? You mean a recent Super Bowl winner is interested in a washed up loser like Kubiak? They could have had someone newer, and fresher, but they went with Kubiak?

All you Kubiak experts need to get over to their message board right away and explain to them what a horrible mistake they are making.
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I think Gary will be a great OC I could see a scenario where Gary never becomes a HC again but is a top notch OC. (Kevin Gilbride)
 
Nitrofish said:
Seems like Kubiak was right. Texans wasted half the season playing Keenum, who won 0 games. I am with Kubiak on that one. If you hire me and tell me I have control, then tell me to play the UDFA, I would stick my finger in your eye too and play who I thought gave us the best chance to win.

No... haters are people who think they know better than someone of Kubiak's pedigree and not only 2nd guess every move he makes, but also rail against him every chance they get.

So a Super Bowl winning HOF running back disagrees with you regarding your assessment of Schaub, but we should listen to your expert advice about Schaub, right?
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Is Schaub damaged goods? I would like your opinion. BTW, I happen to like Gary a lot.
 
steelbtexan said:
I think Gary will be a great OC I could see a scenario where Gary never becomes a HC again but is a top notch OC. (Kevin Gilbride)
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Very possible, but I think Kubiak will shine in Baltimore and be offered a HC job in 2015 or 2016. If he flops and is what some of you say, he will be done in the NFL by the end of 2016 IMO.
 
Corrosion said:
Yeah , they'll find out that the problem was that Schaub is broke and Keenum wasn't any better ... and that Marshall Faulk is smoking crack with the notion that Schuab gives the Texans their best shot in 2014.




Gary didn't all the sudden forget how to coach after going 12-4 the year before .... Everything that happened to this team went about as bad as it could have for any coach. You coulda had Lombardi on the sidelines and they woulda gone 2-14.
He simply didn't have an NFL quarterback on the roster ... Schaub was damaged goods and we saw the beginnings of it at the tail end of 2012 .....




Assumption with absolutely no basis in fact.
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Agreed with this,

Assumption, true, did you find it coincidental that Gary got when he did. What would this MB be without making assumptions? LOL
 
steelbtexan said:
Is Schaub damaged goods? I would like your opinion. BTW, I happen to like Gary a lot.
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No. I think a lot of things lead to him having the worst year of his career, but I think he will play at a high level again somewhere if not here. Personally I think they should have let him play through it, instead of throwing away the remainder of the season with Keenum in there, but Uncle Bob was looking for a Cinderella story, like many of you.
 
Nitrofish said:
No. I think allot of things lead to him having the worst year of his career, but I think he will play at a high level again somewhere if not here. Personally I think they should have let him play through it, instead of throwing away the remainder of the season with Keenum in there.
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We will have to agree to disagree when it comes to Schaub's injury status and his ability to play at a near elite level for a full yr.
 
steelbtexan said:
I think Gary will be a great OC I could see a scenario where Gary never becomes a HC again but is a top notch OC. (Kevin Gilbride)
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Kubiak had 3 HC interviews this offseason. Doing well in Baltimore will only increase his demand. Barring being unable to turn around Baltimore's O, I'd say his being a HC again is a virtual lock.
 
infantrycak said:
Kubiak had 3 HC interviews this offseason. Doing well in Baltimore will only increase his demand. Barring being unable to turn around Baltimore's O, I'd say his being a HC again is a virtual lock.
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If we're lucky he can and he will have perfect timing to land the Jags gig. That will keep the Jags down for another 5 years or so. I have already eliminated the Ravens from this point on. They won't be winning any more SB's with Kubiak, that's for sure.

Lol at these constant excuses for Gary from last season. Only on the Texans board would you hear people still trying to spin stuff for a 2-14 HC that still thinks this league is in 1995. Lol!
 
Texecutioner said:
Lol at these constant excuses for Gary from last season. Only on the Texans board would you hear people still trying to spin stuff for a 2-14 HC that still thinks this league is in 1995. Lol!
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I'm sorry, where did you see an excuse in my post?

LOL at you still trying to spin this stuck in 1995 schtick which has been soundly rejected by the league.
 
infantrycak said:
Kubiak had 3 HC interviews this offseason. Doing well in Baltimore will only increase his demand. Barring being unable to turn around Baltimore's O, I'd say his being a HC again is a virtual lock.
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And turned down a 4th .... "that franchise is a train wreck"

infantrycak said:
I'm sorry, where did you see an excuse in my post?

LOL at you still trying to spin this stuck in 1995 schtick which has been soundly rejected by the league.
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Yeah , how many AFC Championship games , Superbowls & Lombardi Trophy's does New England have .... running a very similar offense (with a much better QB).
 
Nitrofish said:
I am specifically talking about firing him with 3 games left, and more importantly the year after the best season in Franchise history. After all of the years Kubiak gave, and made the Texans relevant, to be let go days before Christmas the was lousy, and classless.

And don't give me the the Texans needed a head start on the other teams to get their HC mumbo jumbo. You can bet they were talking to O'Brien long before week 13. To believe otherwise is naive. I know my opinion is not the popular one, and many of you enjoy railing on Kubiak and Schaub, but it's my opinion Kubiak was treated poorly at the end.
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"Lousy and classless" :vincepalm: Because after letting him keep his job for 8 seasons with little success we decided to fire him? That's nonsense and reeks of a loser's mentality. Raise the bar and expectations a little, seriously.

Kubiak failed at reaching expectations which was why he was fired and it was classy to give him more undeserved shots at trying to reach those expectation.. truth is he should've been fired years ago. So no, he wasn't treated badly in the end. Outside of Cincinnati, no other team would've allowed up with mediocrity for as long as Houston did. He was NOT treated poorly during any time during his tenure here, he should be (and I'm sure he is) thankful for his time here spent working for a owner who had as much patience as Bob McNair had.

It's also complete nonsense to assume or "bet" that the Texans were "all ready talking to O'Brien long before week 13". That's nothing but pure speculation so it's not even worth discussing, especially since it's highly doubtful to begin with since the Texans still had a shot to make the playoffs long before week 13 (if they would've won that game against the Colts, they still had a realistic shot to take the division before they completely collapsed and quit on their coach). It's not being "naïve" to think Houston wasn't looking for his replacement long before week 13.. it's just being realistic and logical.

Gary Kubiak wasn't treated lousy or without class.. he was coddled in Houston by a newbie owner who lacked experience. He was treated more than fairly and with the up most class, it was actually classy to go ahead and fire him when they did.. it was a mercy killing and to continue to just carry him along and keep him employed when everybody and their mom knew he was going to be fired is what would of been cruel, lousy, and classless. :gun:
 
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No. I think a lot of things lead to him having the worst year of his career, but I think he will play at a high level again somewhere if not here. Personally I think they should have let him play through it, instead of throwing away the remainder of the season with Keenum in there, but Uncle Bob was looking for a Cinderella story, like many of you.
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Matt Schaub's days as a routine NFL starter (on any NFL team) are over.. To expect a comeback from him is you rooting for a Cinderella story.. and Matt Schaub is the one who threw away the season. Literally threw it away.. pick 6, after pick 6.. Uncle Bob didn't do that. Keenum aside, Schaub still was given multiple chances to come back in.. and he still failed. Bob McNair wasn't looking for a Cinderella story.. he was simply looking somewhere else, because he finally realized that he should look somewhere else.. anywhere else. It's obvious that Schaub isn't the answer, so Keenum doesn't really have anything to do with anything other than he was something different.
 
Texecutioner said:
If we're lucky he can and he will have perfect timing to land the Jags gig. That will keep the Jags down for another 5 years or so. I have already eliminated the Ravens from this point on. They won't be winning any more SB's with Kubiak, that's for sure.

Lol at these constant excuses for Gary from last season. Only on the Texans board would you hear people still trying to spin stuff for a 2-14 HC that still thinks this league is in 1995. Lol!
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He's already won 2 Super Bowls as an OC...
 
Carr Bombed said:
"Lousy and classless" :vincepalm: Because after letting him keep his job for 8 seasons with little success we decided to fire him? That's nonsense and reeks of a loser's mentality. Raise the bar and expectations a little, seriously.
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They fired him 3 weeks after suffering a mini-stroke on the field, with 3 weeks left in a season that wasn't going anywhere.

It don't get much classless than that.

You don't have to like Kubiak... but damn.
 
b0ng said:
I have serious doubts the Ravens will win the AFC East in 2014.
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I don't know, man. The AFC North is a weak division right now. The Bengals won it this season! Think about that for a second...

The Browns are not a threat...at all.

The Steelers are in disarray and probably a couple of years from replenishing the ranks to get back to Steeler ball - great defense with a solid running game.

So that leaves the Bengals. And the Ravens are just one season removed from being Super Bowl champions. Do you really think beating the Bengals is insurmountable? I think the Ravens will be the clear favorites for the AFC North going into 2014.
 
Double Barrel said:
I don't know, man. The AFC North is a weak division right now. The Bengals won it this season! Think about that for a second...

The Browns are not a threat...at all.

The Steelers are in disarray and probably a couple of years from replenishing the ranks to get back to Steeler ball - great defense with a solid running game.

So that leaves the Bengals. And the Ravens are just one season removed from being Super Bowl champions. Do you really think beating the Bengals is insurmountable? I think the Ravens will be the clear favorites for the AFC North going into 2014.
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The Bengals were missing their best defensive player for half this season too. When Geno Atkins comes back next year, their pass rush will improve greatly. I don't think this is a slam dunk for the Ravens because they have a lot of cap issues at the moment and need to replenish their defense.
 
thunderkyss said:
They fired him 3 weeks after suffering a mini-stroke on the field, with 3 weeks left in a season that wasn't going anywhere.

It don't get much classless than that.

You don't have to like Kubiak... but damn.
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There is nothing classless about what they did and this is coming from someone who doesn't dislike the guy.. Even Kubiak knew he was going to be **** canned. It was blatantly obvious to every soul in the city.. including Kubiak's entire family.

What would've been "classless" is to continue to force the guy to show up and face the media/music and put unnecessary stress on a man who was just 3 weeks outside of suffering a stroke out on the field. That is what would've been classless and just plain wrong. They did Kubiak a favor by letting him go early when they did, stringing him along wouldn't of done anybody any favors... Not Kubiak and not the Texans brain trust.
 
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