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Kubiak just got fired
- Thread starter mussop
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I hear ya. The #1 pick is a tough position for any team. I don't see QB worthy of a #1 pick this year. If we do have the #1 I'd go Clowney or Matthews. If they don't want to go in that direction then trade it down and pick up extra picks. God knows we need as many as we can get.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Enter Bill O'brien.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Exactly. Kubiak wasn't cooperating with the evaluation of Keenum, and intended to start Schaub the rest of the season.
If Keenum can be a starter, it does it lot for the salary cap and fixing the line. Smith needs to know what he has in Keenum
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
That is the way I took it as well.
On Rick Smith. The fact he was brought in subordinate to Kubiak does not mean that dynamic will continue. McNair may change that paradigm and have a more powerful GM. You don't have to change GM to do that, the owner just has to enact it. Now a lot of the retreads people are rooting for will probably demand to have Kubiak like control so if that has been a big complaint for you then it should be a strike against them as candidates.
I agree with that somewhat. But if we take a quarterback high in the draft, Case will NEVER be given the time to develop, and he will NEVER be given the chance to be the Texans starting QB.
I don't think you can fairly judge if Case has what it takes, based upon his performance for the rest of THIS season. He will need another set of OTAs, and another full training camp to be evaluated fairly and be given a fair chance to start.
But he will NEVER be given that fair chance if they take a QB high in the draft. It will be the high dollar draft pick vs. the undrafted free agent. And we all know how that ball rolls.
This is the way it will go down. They will draft the next QB bust, and Keenum will go somewhere else and become the next Drew Brees.
And that would really SUCK. But is already something I'm afraid of.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Also, something interesting: Notice how Peter King got the scoop on this story? He's pretty tight with Rick Smith. He did a rather lengthy and glowing interview with Smith last season allowing Smith to pitch his Jack Welch philosophy. When King got feedback that some readers interpreted Smith as being too cold and unfeeling towards players, King dedicated some more column space to reveal how personable Smith was when releasing DeMeco. The relationship between King and Smith is something to take into account when reading anything King writes about the Texans.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Didn't I tell everyone to calm the **** down with this "my fear is that we win a couple games and Gary gets extended." ****?
No. That's not how it works.
He had to go. It was time. I loved him for a while and loved how the players respected him overall, but it was time. I have to thank him for getting us out of the Capers/Casserly years and putting on some entertaining football with a couple of playoff appearances.
Whatever happens, I want the offense to be very versatile and balanced. I love the rollouts and the fundamental philosophies behind what we have now. Would love to get more creative though. I'm not too crazy about Dennison and thought Baby Shanahan was much better at OC.
I want a guy who will teach the team to play hard but not stupid or dirty. We've been penalized way, way, way too much and frankly I've seen a lot of thuggery on this team on the field in recent years perhaps to overcompensate for our reputation as "being soft." I don't like that. You can play tough without being dumb or dirty. See JJ Watt.
We also need game management. The biggest knock on Kubiak I have over the time he was with Houston was that his game management overall was terrible. Clock stupidity, dumb challenges, and a lot of other stuff that just plain didn't make sense at all. That HAS to be shored up with the new coach.
Also, I assume a new coach means we'll have an entire new staff. Wade has been disappointing this year (as is basically tradition for defenses under his leadership----one or two really good years then tailing off). Also, perhaps most unsung is the fact that we need to get rid of Joe Marciano, our special teams coach who has been an unmitigated disaster for years now and has inexplicably held onto his job. Oh yeah, our strength and conditioning staff too. Has to go. Too many damn injuries. Enough. If the new coach can help build depth to mask injuries, that'd be great. That "Next Man Up" crap utopian fantasy only takes you so far though.
I also don't want some college gimmick guy. You strike out on that and it's a waste of time and we'll go from simply having one down year to being in spiral mode where we're forced to truly rebuild.
I don't want Gruden. Overrated and overdiscussed. I'd like Cowher but his offensive creativity is not very prevalent.
I simply don't know who'll be available and I don't know much about coaching staffs around the league to see which coordinators we might pluck.
Get it right, get some talent at the top of the draft (or trade down, my preference), and get back to contention.
No. That's not how it works.
He had to go. It was time. I loved him for a while and loved how the players respected him overall, but it was time. I have to thank him for getting us out of the Capers/Casserly years and putting on some entertaining football with a couple of playoff appearances.
Whatever happens, I want the offense to be very versatile and balanced. I love the rollouts and the fundamental philosophies behind what we have now. Would love to get more creative though. I'm not too crazy about Dennison and thought Baby Shanahan was much better at OC.
I want a guy who will teach the team to play hard but not stupid or dirty. We've been penalized way, way, way too much and frankly I've seen a lot of thuggery on this team on the field in recent years perhaps to overcompensate for our reputation as "being soft." I don't like that. You can play tough without being dumb or dirty. See JJ Watt.
We also need game management. The biggest knock on Kubiak I have over the time he was with Houston was that his game management overall was terrible. Clock stupidity, dumb challenges, and a lot of other stuff that just plain didn't make sense at all. That HAS to be shored up with the new coach.
Also, I assume a new coach means we'll have an entire new staff. Wade has been disappointing this year (as is basically tradition for defenses under his leadership----one or two really good years then tailing off). Also, perhaps most unsung is the fact that we need to get rid of Joe Marciano, our special teams coach who has been an unmitigated disaster for years now and has inexplicably held onto his job. Oh yeah, our strength and conditioning staff too. Has to go. Too many damn injuries. Enough. If the new coach can help build depth to mask injuries, that'd be great. That "Next Man Up" crap utopian fantasy only takes you so far though.
I also don't want some college gimmick guy. You strike out on that and it's a waste of time and we'll go from simply having one down year to being in spiral mode where we're forced to truly rebuild.
I don't want Gruden. Overrated and overdiscussed. I'd like Cowher but his offensive creativity is not very prevalent.
I simply don't know who'll be available and I don't know much about coaching staffs around the league to see which coordinators we might pluck.
Get it right, get some talent at the top of the draft (or trade down, my preference), and get back to contention.
houstonhurricane
Veteran
Thanks, Kubes - I was never a fan but you did some very positive things for this franchise.
Pretty disappointed that they are keeping Rick Smith but I think we all knew that really wasn't in play...yet.
I like Shaw and O'Brien from the college ranks - not big on Lovie Smith.
Pretty disappointed that they are keeping Rick Smith but I think we all knew that really wasn't in play...yet.
I like Shaw and O'Brien from the college ranks - not big on Lovie Smith.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Haven't we been saying that for 5 years now?
michaelm
vox nihili
I'm not sure the better option is to keep Kubiak around when it's obvious he's a lame duck, and even more obvious he has lost the team. In general, I don't agree with firing a HC during the season, but in this case, I think it was the correct thing to do.
Hell yeh!!!
Pollardized
Division Champ
TheIronDuke
All Pro
Mike Shanahan just called Kubiak and said, "Hey Gary! Remember me? How'd you like to become my offensive coordinator again, and see what you can do with RG3?"
Book it. That's gonna happen.
"Let me just talk to my wife about how to best fire my son and we'll get you out here."
Showtime100
Got JJ?
From the gamethread. Not exactly Nostradamus, but watching last night was just too much. Still though, at the time I was still thinking we were stuck with Kubes indefinitely.
********
Thanks, Gary, for all your hard work. Your heart was in the right place. Best of luck and good health to you and yours.
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Now, pass that bottle of Champagne this way.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Sorry if I missed it in the thread but why wasn't Kubiak at th presser? When capers was fired he was allowed to answer questions and make a final statement. Did Kubiak choose to skip the presser?
Lurvinator11
Veteran
That's the rumor. He told his coaches he was gone, and then he left.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
As far as I know, Gary met with Bob and was told he would be fired. Gary then met with the coaches to personally give the news. He then went home.
I honestly have no issue with it. The guy has had a rough year and if he doesn't want to talk to the media an hour after getting fired I'm completely fine with it.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
From the gamethread. Not exactly Nostradamus, but watching last night was just too much. Still though, at the time I was still thinking we were stuck with Kubes indefinitely.
********
Thanks, Gary, for all your hard work. Your heart was in the right place. Best of luck and good health to you and yours.
********
Now, pass that bottle of Champagne this way.
Dude its been awhile since champagne flowed , its been everclear and 151 for 11 weeks now! Lol
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Yeah I guess you're right. Considering his health I'm sure this was stressful for him and his family. I wish him all the best.
drs23
Veteran
I think Wade's just a "courtesy candidate". At least I hope so. No Wade for HC!
Joy
Just cant wait for the next 5 yrs of Rick/Lovie. Ask Bears fans how they think about Lovie, BoB before you listen to Rick
Rick/Lovie/Teddy=Championship
Hopefully this means Clowney at 1-1.
I think this is true. No point in declaring no way he gets the HC job if he he's your interim.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
Folks, McNair is going to talk to candidates over the next month or so. I wouldn't get too worried nor excited no matter who he talks to at this point.
drs23
Veteran
OK Mr. Crystal Ballsbtexan, who the hell is that. I'm saying David Shaw. Your opinion? (seriously)
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Can you name a single instance of this ever happening in the NFL? Can anyone? I don't think it has ever been done and I don't think it ever will be done.
I wish people would quit suggesting this. It is pretty much impossible.
I can see them both looking for jobs.
I'm disturbed by Rick Smith not feeling any heat. Talk about Teflon Man. But, I'm still hopeful the Texans can bring in the right man to lead this organization.
Because that's what has been missing from the start. Leadership. I want someone who will lookup from his call sheet and watch the plays. I want someone who is respected, and yes, feared by his players. I want someone that other good coaches want to work with.
You know a leader when you see one. I never saw Kubiak as that guy.
TejasTom
All Pro
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
I'm hoping against hope that Wade is only interim. That's ok; he won't interfere with the process of losing out.
We have already seen enough to know Case will be a good backup but not a starter. But if trying to evaluate him causes us to win enough games to lose 1st overall pick, we can no longer get a top QB to replace him and Schaub.
Tolar's Ghost
Waterboy
I like Keenum a lot. But I'm not sold on him as a game-in, game-out starter.
So waiting until the fourth of fifth round to draft a QB is way too late. If not in Round 1, then in 2. Definitely no later than 3.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Personally I hope that Gary was thrown out the door head first. All he ever did was make this team an embarrassment and he set this franchise back 8 to 10 years now. He always put his personal relationships over this team's success and refused to ever hold accountability. He doesn't deserve another coaching job other than maybe at a small school in college. The only reason why he ever made the playoffs in Houston was because McNair forced Wade on him where the defense was turned around over night while Gary refused to fire Smith before that. He thought he could win with Carr as well. One of the worst offensive minds I've ever watched as a fan from his stubborn nature to stick to one system and to be completely gutless to deviate away from it. Good riddance Gary. You should have been fired 3 or 4 years ago.
Steal Your Face
Noob
Not sure where you get your info ... I know several Bears fans that think fairly highly of Lovie.
LonerATO
All Pro
Look for a classy act by Kubiak on Sunday.
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
Hope, the next Texans' HC can lead this team to SB. I am not getting younger and would like to see Texans win SB in my life time.
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ajohnson80
Waterboy
I've been waiting for this day for about 4 seasons now. Glad we can move forward out of the kubiak era. I hope he can get his health in order and appreciate the baby steps he took us forward but now is time for a real coach and im anxious to see who we get.
TexansFight
Veteran
You took the words out of my mouth. Great post and pos rep given.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
I'm kind of bummed. I liked Kubiak, and his system was sound when the right talent could execute it. Kubiak had me rooting to win his way with his system. When everything was in synch, the team had a true identity.
But his fatal flaw was his stubborness. Stubborness in his personnel decisions, stubborness in his loyalties, stubborness in his refusal to adjust his system or strategy, and -- as we saw in his final game -- his stubborness in fielding Matt Schaub. Gary would have finished the season with a dignified exit, but his resistance to the FO's wishes to continue evaluating Keenum exhausted McNair's good graces.
I think that a flexible, shrewd, and ambitious Kubiak would have won a Superbowl. But a stubborn, idealistic, and loyal Kubiak is best suited for a career as a coordinator.
But his fatal flaw was his stubborness. Stubborness in his personnel decisions, stubborness in his loyalties, stubborness in his refusal to adjust his system or strategy, and -- as we saw in his final game -- his stubborness in fielding Matt Schaub. Gary would have finished the season with a dignified exit, but his resistance to the FO's wishes to continue evaluating Keenum exhausted McNair's good graces.
I think that a flexible, shrewd, and ambitious Kubiak would have won a Superbowl. But a stubborn, idealistic, and loyal Kubiak is best suited for a career as a coordinator.
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Maybe you should follow him wherever he goes and enjoy his failures some more.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Did you really develop that intense of a personal hatred for Kubiak? Yeesh.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
The man was paid Millions of dollars to put this team first and he never did. Yes, I hated him as a HC. Not sure who he is as a person, nor do I care either. He was unprofessional for years though and about as arrogant as any coach I've ever seen when it came to his philosophy of a system.. He was just quiet about it. He is right there with Jerry Glanville as far as I'm concerned. Hearing all of these homers in Houston make attempts to rave about his alleged offensive genius that was never existent or proven definitely made it worse though. People completely bought into him from the jump and anointed him as some guru over and over even after he made their faith in him look foolish. He has no business coaching on any NFL team.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Wow! "arrogant" and "unprofessional"?... but "don't care who he is as a person"?
I guess you don't. You decided to turn him into a two dimensional antagonist.
By the way, I don't think anyone has expressed worry/concern about his financial situation. He is wealthy- I doubt he wants pity nor do I think he will be standing in line moaning about the economy while he collects his unemployment check. Being wealthy does not make a person less human or shied one from life... If the world is full of people who only extend compassion to those people with less money than they, it is going to be an ugly place!