Posey tore his Achilles.

[Vinny]

Really trying hard to understand why people act like this is such devastating news as if we lost some big time receiver in the making. Posey had proven nothing in this league. Hell, he couldn't even take the reigns from the guys like Walter, Martin, and Jean. He hadn't played in like two years as far as this season went as well. He made a play or two in the last few weeks and that was no better then the sporadic plays that Martin and Jean would come up with from time to time.

Sucks for him to have an injury like that, and I feel bad for any player who gets a bad injury, but this is not a loss at all to the Texans. This guy wasn't promising, nor had he proven anything. He was just another guy on the back of our depth chart like Molden and other guys that people put high hopes for who never did anything on the NFL level.

he's a loss if you considered him the guy that was acceding to a prominent role in this wr depleted offense. No, he isn't proven but he was the proverbial egg in the basket. We're back to finding the next Andre Davis or another 3rd round wr that will take a year to mature and develop.

 

[Texecutioner]

he's a loss if you considered him the guy that was acceding to a prominent role in this wr depleted offense. No, he isn't proven but he was the proverbial egg in the basket. We're back to finding the next Andre Davis or another 3rd round wr that will take a year to mature and develop.

I don't think he was anything but another Andre Davis type of guy. I mean, he couldn't even hardly see the field this season when he had Walter, Jean, and Martin in front of him. You think fans from other teams are discussing and wondering what is going to happen with Devier Posey?? Not a chance. The only reason why he is even remotely relevant or even a subject of conversation around here is because he is a Texan that was drafted last season, and was probably going to be the next way over hyped guy that fans of this team get all excited about like they did with JJ and then Jean/Walter from a few pre season games.

 

[Vinny]

he's a loss if you considered him the guy that was acceding to a prominent role in this wr depleted offense. No, he isn't proven but he was the proverbial egg in the basket. We're back to finding the next Andre Davis or another 3rd round wr that will take a year to mature and develop.

I don't think he was anything but another Andre Davis type of guy. I mean, he couldn't even hardly see the field this season when he had Walter, Jean, and Martin in front of him. You think fans from other teams are discussing and wondering what is going to happen with Devier Posey?? Not a chance. The only reason why he is even remotely relevant or even a subject of conversation around here is because he is a Texan that was drafted last season, and was probably going to be the next way over hyped guy that fans of this team get all excited about like they did with JJ and then Jean/Walter from a few pre season games.

Most teams expect starters out of rounds 1,2, & 3....and at least role players in round 4. By itself it isn't a catastrophic loss but it is a tangible loss if you are the kind of team that builds though the draft (yeah, they all do...semi-sarcasm here). Last time I checked they don't get that pick back and there are good players on other teams that are going to start next season that we passed on.

 

[Marcus]

I don't think he was anything but another Andre Davis type of guy. I mean, he couldn't even hardly see the field this season when he had Walter, Jean, and Martin in front of him. You think fans from other teams are discussing and wondering what is going to happen with Devier Posey?? Not a chance. The only reason why he is even remotely relevant or even a subject of conversation around here is because he is a Texan that was drafted last season, and was probably going to be the next way over hyped guy that fans of this team get all excited about like they did with JJ and then Jean/Walter from a few pre season games.

I think you might have underestimated his upside, Tex. I know he was behind Walter, Jean, and Martin in the beginning because, for all intents and purposes, he basically sat out his senior season in college, and frankly, I didn't expect to see him on the field at all this season. The fact that during the season, he was able impress Kubiak enough with his work ethic to the point that he was able to surpass Walter, Jean, and Martin in the pecking order and actually see significant time on the field, and make some plays . . that happened a lot faster than I expected. It told me that this kid had what it took mentally to try to do things necessary to excel.

It was only just about a minute before he blew out his Achilles, that I was thinking, "Wow, just think what he could do for us next year", with this season behind him, and the the further progression in the mini-camps and in another training camp. I saw an emerging star on the rise.

And now it will never be. That's what's so tragic.

 

[HJam72]

I'm not holding it against any player that hasn't seen enough playing time behind Walter. The Walter favoritism is getting really old.

 

[IDEXAN]

Posey made a couple of real good plays Sunday, and in a modest sort of way it could be considered his "coming out party". This is an unfortunate setback for the team at a position where it really needs help at, and this particular type of injury has to be nothing short of a devastating setback to young Posey and his hopes of succeeding in the NFL.

 

[Tailgate]

Its time for me to put this kid far in the back of my mind and hope for a surprise one day.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Not really. He didn't play in 2011 in college due to suspension not injury. This was only his rookie season seems a little early to compare a player who tore his achilles in the last game of the season to a guy who was here for a few years and always knicked up to the point of not being able to play all the time.

Achilles tendon rupture is very commonly preceded by an "aura" tendonitis. The continued inflammation eventually breaks down and weakens the tendon until it finally ruptures. Going into the Draft, one of the significant concerns was his size because he seemed to always be dealing with a list of "minor" injuries. Many said that he would have to bulk up to be successful in the NFL.

You may find it interesting to know that throughout his college career, he would wear a patellar tendon band below his knee joint, sometimes on the right, sometimes on the left and sometimes on both sides. Patellar tendon bands are worn by athletes that are having problems due to patellar tendonitis (inflammation/also known as Jumper's or Runner's knee [remember Cushing's patellar tendon rupture]).

 

[76Texan]

Don't sell Posey short.

He had had several good games in college against NFL-caliber DBs.

In 09, for example, he went to Oregon and tallied 8 catches for 101 yards against a very good pass defense that include 4 guys now playing in the NFL: T.J. Ward, Walter Thurmond, Jairus Byrd, and Patrick Chung.
And these guys had one to two years of experience ahead of him

Those are just one example of the kind of team/players he went up against in college with QBs that were not even considered good passing college QBs.
Ohio St. don't pass the ball all that much to start with, especially when compared to the Big 12.

 

[Tailgate]

From everything I have read this is a 6-11 month recovery time for a highly active athlete such as an NFL player. I would expect him to be back in time for the season if surgery goes as expected with no complications. Getting him back to pre injury form obviously could be much longer. Maybe he can get back to form middle to late season in time for playoffs should we return. Maybe its not all doom and gloom.

CB Leon Hall ruptured his achillies in mid Nov of 2011 and played in every game in 2012.

LB Terrell Suggs partially tore achillies in May of this year and was back in Oct and played in every game since.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

The Texans have not disclosed if Posey's Achilles tear is partial or complete. However, his description of feeling like he got shot when it happened. That is classic for a complete rupture. Also Posey could not walk on that foot after the occurrence. This is the classic for a complete rupture not only because the Achilles cannot allow applying force to the ball of the foot (foot pointing down position) for a walking motion, but also because of the excruciating pain that it causes trying to do so. Most of time with a partial rupture, patients will have only modest discomfort.....and can continue to walk......many times quite normally.

You might want to look at the Wild Card Week Houston Texans Injury Report. It may surprise you to find Posey was on it with a "FOOT." Remember, in one of my previous posts (#15 above), I explained the "aura" preceding Achilles tendon rupture........i.e., Achilles tendonitis. Well, this condition presents typically with heel pain. And what part of the anatomy is the heel?.......the FOOT. Posey evidently was already demonstrating the warning signs of what was about to happen.

 

[76Texan]

The Texans have not disclosed if Posey's Achilles tear is partial or complete. However, his description of feeling like he got shot when it happened. That is classic for a complete rupture. Also Posey could not walk on that foot after the occurrence. This is the classic for a complete rupture not only because the Achilles cannot allow applying force to the ball of the foot (foot pointing down position) for a walking motion, but also because of the excruciating pain that it causes trying to do so. Most of time with a partial rupture, patients will have only modest discomfort.....and can continue to walk......many times quite normally.

You might want to look at the Wild Card Week Houston Texans Injury Report. It may surprise you to find Posey was on it with a "FOOT." Remember, in one of my previous posts (#15 above), I explained the "aura" preceding Achilles tendon rupture........i.e., Achilles tendonitis. Well, this condition presents typically with heel pain. And what part of the anatomy is the heel?.......the FOOT. Posey evidently was already demonstrating the warning signs of what was about to happen.

I'm not counting on him being back and productive anytime soon, Doc.

I was only providing the view on the field, from one corner.

 

[steelbtexan]

The Texans have not disclosed if Posey's Achilles tear is partial or complete. However, his description of feeling like he got shot when it happened. That is classic for a complete rupture. Also Posey could not walk on that foot after the occurrence. This is the classic for a complete rupture not only because the Achilles cannot allow applying force to the ball of the foot (foot pointing down position) for a walking motion, but also because of the excruciating pain that it causes trying to do so. Most of time with a partial rupture, patients will have only modest discomfort.....and can continue to walk......many times quite normally.

You might want to look at the Wild Card Week Houston Texans Injury Report. It may surprise you to find Posey was on it with a "FOOT." Remember, in one of my previous posts (#15 above), I explained the "aura" preceding Achilles tendon rupture........i.e., Achilles tendonitis. Well, this condition presents typically with heel pain. And what part of the anatomy is the heel?.......the FOOT. Posey evidently was already demonstrating the warning signs of what was about to happen.

This post really makes me feel sad for Posey.

He basically ruined his career and the team docs either didn't know or didn't care about the risk of him playing in that game.

I'm hoping/praying that you can have a successful career DeVier. Even though it probably cant/wont be what it could/should have been.

When are fans going to start asking the hard questions about the Texans team physicians? This yr Reed/Cody/Posey etc... not to mention the signing of Schaub to a 4 yr deal when he obviously will never be the QB he was in 2009.

Not to mention days gone by Boselli/Joppru/Davis=Williams etc.... These docs are at best negligent and at worst $$$$$ whores. After all who will be doing Poseys surgery? Who will profit from said surgery?

Unlike the rest of the Texans org. BoB seems to be losing alot of $$$$/players because of his medical staff/trainers incompetence. IMHO

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I'm not counting on him being back and productive anytime soon, Doc.

I was only providing the view on the field, from one corner.

And I believe that that "corner" were the same reasons I also shared your and some others' enthusiasm of of where he might progress with the Texans. Very sad. Very disappointing.

 

[Tailgate]

This post really makes me feel sad for Posey.

He basically ruined his career and the team docs either didn't know or didn't care about the risk of him playing in that game.

I'm hoping/praying that you can have a successful career DeVier. Even though it probably cant/wont be what it could/should have been.

When are fans going to start asking the hard questions about the Texans team physicians? This yr Reed/Cody/Posey etc... not to mention the signing of Schaub to a 4 yr deal when he obviously will never be the QB he was in 2009.

Not to mention days gone by Boselli/Joppru/Davis=Williams etc.... These docs are at best negligent and at worst $$$$$ whores. After all who will be doing Poseys surgery? Who will profit from said surgery?

Unlike the rest of the Texans org. BoB seems to be losing alot of $$$$/players because of his medical staff/trainers incompetence. IMHO

Oh here we go with the conspiracy theories... Way to go doc!

 

[steelbtexan]

Oh here we go with the conspiracy theories... Way to go doc!

No conspiracy theories here.

Just pointing out some of the more costly mistakes the Texans medical staff/trainers have made.

What I want to know is why Uncle BoB continues to employ them. It's obvious to me at the very least they are in over their collective heads, or at worst negligent. Players are human beings, not cattle which is how everybody from Smith/Gary/Dr Lowe and all down the line are culpable in the miss handling of their players injuries.

Remember Rick, basically telling Ahman Green he wasn't hurt and he needed to get back on the field. Even though Green was obviously injured.

Rick/Gary learned at the feet of Shanny Sr. and the way Shanny handled the RG3 situation should let us know how Rick/Gary think about their roster in relation to injuries.

 

[thunderkyss]

point is, AP took the knee recovery to a new level......


Posey can do similar for the achilles tear.

My daughter just had her ACL replaced two years ago. It didn't "take" very well, & we ended up having to do it again this year. According to the doctors, there's been major advances in how this has been repaired in that short amount of time.

The first time they repaired it, the doctor said the chances of it "taking" was something like 80%, this time, more like 95% Even her therapy & some of the other things she's doing for recovery is totally different now.


So in my mind, unless there has been some major medical advances for repairing the achilles.... I'm not going to be too hopeful that Posey can pick up where he left off.

I'd like to think Drafting a WR is what we need to do, but it's rare that you're going to get a guy who can contribute this year, unless you're picking top 10 or something like that. Where we're drafting, we need to find a vet with some game left.

 

[paycheck71]

No conspiracy theories here.

Just pointing out some of the more costly mistakes the Texans medical staff/trainers have made.

I really don't think it has anything to do with Texans doctors specifically. It's the culture of the NFL - if you can walk, you can play. I've heard someone on the radio contrast NFL and MLB in that respect. If a pitcher "feels" something iffy with his elbow, he's done, off to the doctors, better safe than sorry. If a QB tears up his knee (RGIII, P.Rivers a few years back), they slap a knee brace on him and send him back out.

 

[thunderkyss]

The Texans have not disclosed if Posey's Achilles tear is partial or complete. However, his description of feeling like he got shot when it happened. That is classic for a complete rupture. Also Posey could not walk on that foot after the occurrence. This is the classic for a complete rupture not only because the Achilles cannot allow applying force to the ball of the foot (foot pointing down position) for a walking motion, but also because of the excruciating pain that it causes trying to do so. Most of time with a partial rupture, patients will have only modest discomfort.....and can continue to walk......many times quite normally.

So, he's done if it were in fact a complete rupture. At least for the 2013 season. What's the prognosis if the tear is on the completely other side of the spectrum. We know the worst case scenario, what are the best cases & what can we look for from here, to help us figure out the true extent of the injury?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

So, he's done if it were in fact a complete rupture. At least for the 2013 season. What's the prognosis if the tear is on the completely other side of the spectrum. We know the worst case scenario, what are the best cases & what can we look for from here, to help us figure out the true extent of the injury?

From all signs, it would surprise me if he suffered anything but a complete rupture. But, if it is a partial rupture, it is so variable as to what "partial" really means.........is it a longitudinal rupture?.....is it a transverse rupture?......does it involve the gastrocnemius muscle tendon (superficial component of the Achilles) and/or the soleus muscle tendon (deep component of the Achilles)?........does it require an interposed graft for repair?

A prognosis could be the same as for a complete or all the way down to 6 months like Suggs. What really wasn't publicized in the exceptional recovery case of Suggs is that it was a localized tear that required a very limited 3 cm transverse incision (as opposed to the classic 8 cm longitudinal incision). This is not a very realistic recovery for the typical more extensive tear that usually occurs when referred to as "partial."

 

[drs23]

From all signs, it would surprise me if he suffered anything but a complete rupture. But, if it is a partial rupture, it is so variable as to what "partial" really means.........is it a longitudinal rupture?.....is it a transverse rupture?......does it involve the gastrocnemius muscle tendon (superficial component of the Achilles) and/or the soleus muscle tendon (deep component of the Achilles)?........does it require an interposed graft for repair?

A prognosis could be the same as for a complete or all the way down to 6 months like Suggs. What really wasn't publicized in the exceptional recovery case of Suggs is that it was a localized tear that required a very limited 3 cm transverse incision (as opposed to the classic 8 cm longitudinal incision). This is not a very realistic recovery for the typical more extensive tear that usually occurs when referred to as "partial."

Sunny Beaches, OUCH!

Not being a Debbie Downer but taking everything Doc has told us I'd be surprised to see him on the field again.

Really hope he can return though. I saw enough to give me a little more hope than Tex has or even ever had.

 

[thunderkyss]

A prognosis could be the same as for a complete or all the way down to 6 months like Suggs. What really wasn't publicized in the exceptional recovery case of Suggs is that it was a localized tear that required a very limited 3 cm transverse incision (as opposed to the classic 8 cm longitudinal incision). This is not a very realistic recovery for the typical more extensive tear that usually occurs when referred to as "partial."

So either way, we shouldn't expect to see him for OTAs. Best case scenario he's working with the team during training camp, but seeing him on the field is out of the question for even the best case scenario.

If he's not on the field come September, we're not going to see him till December at the earliest & if it's that long, he won't be able to help us on any kind of late season run.


right?

 

[281]

"Posey Slated to Return Opening of 2013 Season"

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/?p=10168

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I hate to say it, but I highly doubt this.

 

[Scooter]

it's possible, from what i've read it's a 8-12 month recovery and opening day would put him at 9 months. of course suggs came back after only 6, but that has to be a bit of an anomaly. it may take him most of the season to get his wheels back, but there probably is a reasonable chance he can be on the opening day lineup.

 

[76Texan]

Got to have another speedster; they just got to have another one.
Can't count on his recovery, I don't think.

 

[Doppelganger]

it's possible, from what i've read it's a 8-12 month recovery and opening day would put him at 9 months. of course suggs came back after only 6, but that has to be a bit of an anomaly. it may take him most of the season to get his wheels back, but there probably is a reasonable chance he can be on the opening day lineup.

Part of that may be draft smoke screens. If you say he will be back for the opening game, its draft strategy. Rather than say he is out for the year and you are desperate for a WR, you say he will come back opening day. That way if you want to trade up, other teams do not think you are desperate and gouge you on a deal.

 

[76Texan]

Part of that may be draft smoke screens. If you say he will be back for the opening game, its draft strategy. Rather than say he is out for the year and you are desperate for a WR, you say he will come back opening day. That way if you want to trade up, other teams do not think you are desperate and gouge you on a deal.

Could be it!

 

[Big Lou]

From all signs, it would surprise me if he suffered anything but a complete rupture. But, if it is a partial rupture, it is so variable as to what "partial" really means.........is it a longitudinal rupture?.....is it a transverse rupture?......does it involve the gastrocnemius muscle tendon (superficial component of the Achilles) and/or the soleus muscle tendon (deep component of the Achilles)?........does it require an interposed graft for repair?

A prognosis could be the same as for a complete or all the way down to 6 months like Suggs. What really wasn't publicized in the exceptional recovery case of Suggs is that it was a localized tear that required a very limited 3 cm transverse incision (as opposed to the classic 8 cm longitudinal incision). This is not a very realistic recovery for the typical more extensive tear that usually occurs when referred to as "partial."

Doc, you are the man, and I always love your analysis, but holy crap that last pictures hurts to look at. I'm not ussually squeemish, but from 19-21 years of age I had something wrong with my achilles that made it excruciatingly painful to be touched or bumped directly. So this is like nails on a chalk board!!!!

 

[GP]

"Posey Slated to Return Opening of 2013 Season"

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/?p=10168

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I hate to say it, but I highly doubt this.

Yep, it's just draft trickery.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I had an interesting conversation with a UK orthopedic surgeon a while back. He said that in their football players (soccer), it is not rare to see Achilles ruptures. He said that at one of their conferences, there appeared to be a pattern to see these injuries occur when players made a change from one playing surface to another (grass and turf) either way, not including practice time surfaces. Just for the heck of it, I looked at Demeco and Posey.

Demeco:
week before rupture-Metlife Stadium-turf
week of rupture-Arrowhead Stadium-grass

Posey:
week before rupture-Reliant Stadium-grass
week of rupture-Gillette Stadium-turf

Just found it interesting.

 

[Playoffs]

Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield

“I’m preparing like I’m going out to practice every day. I’m sitting in meetings taking notes like I’m a rookie again." @DPo8 #Texans

DeVier Posey tore his Achilles on Jan 13. Demaryius Thomas tore his in Feb 2011 and was able to practice by Sept 5

I'll be surprised if DeVier Posey doesn't come back strong from his Achilles injury. Very impressive attitude, work ethic

DeVier Posey (Achilles) expects to be on field for rehab next week, eyes Sept/Oct return: http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...ext-week/9fb37e29-ff84-4122-b45c-f1804246ba56 … #Texans

 

[thunderkyss]

DeVier Posey tore his Achilles on Jan 13. Demaryius Thomas tore his in Feb 2011 and was able to practice by Sept 5

I'll be surprised if DeVier Posey doesn't come back strong from his Achilles injury. Very impressive attitude, work ethic

What do we know about Demariyius Thomas' Achilles? Was it a complete rupture? How does it compare to Devier's?

I'm googling, this is the first thing I found

Broncos wide receiver Demaryius Thomas suffered an Achilles tear in February 2011, and returned to practice in early September. He spoke with media on Wednesday:

"He's a great player and I'm sure he's going to work hard to get back and listen to all the people that he's got to listen to," Thomas said Wednesday. "But it's difficult at first, because it took a while for me to be able to do anything. You know, I had to wear a boot for six to eight weeks, and I couldn't do anything but upper body stuff. Once I got it off, I still had to take time, because it's a serious injury, and you don't want to take it too fast."​

Thomas also indicated he didn't feel 100% until seven months after the injury. Thomas did not return to game action until October 23, 2011, but that stretch between his return to practice and returning October 23 was due in large part to breaking his left pinkie finger in his first practice back

How long was Posey in a boot?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

What do we know about Demariyius Thomas' Achilles? Was it a complete rupture? How does it compare to Devier's?

I'm googling, this is the first thing I found


How long was Posey in a boot?

First of all I find it somewhat curious that Thomas would say "I had to wear a boot for six to eight weeks." Most players would certainly remember that experience to be quite specific when answering that question.

Typically, a boot is worn most of the time for ~12 weeks because this is the time when a tendon's healing strength is universally deemed adequate. Seldom will a surgeon compromise this period.

Thomas' broken pinkie would not have kept him out for an extra 6 weeks. His fracture was simply pinned. Football players are typically returned to play within 2-3 weeks.

Lastly, once he returned, his production was virtually worthless before week 13 sometime in the beginning of December.

As the Broncos were originally struggling over the question of placing him on reserve PUP, they would have been much better off putting him on PUP to begin with.

 

[rush2112mn]

I think he could be back sometime in late Sep or early Oct at the earliest....that is my opinion......