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The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK & REPLACEMENT thread

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Lucky said:
Don't do it, GuerillaBlack. Gotta keep hope alive!
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I would like to have a coach like Cowher too but I doubt he is even entertaining the thought of coming here but if he does half of the starters on defense would be gone next year or wouldn't be starters. I am not against Kubiak even though I like a azz ripping coach.
 
Lucky said:
I hear Gary Kubiak will be available. Runs the WCO. Is from Houston. Seems like a good fit.
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I think it might be kind of weird for the players to have their coach of 5 years go down to OC. If Kubiak is up for it, I'm fine with it (especially if Cowher is the HC and Wade is the DC). That's be a good coaching unit.
 
I have to think that if the role's were reversed, Kubiak would have knelt and gone into OT instead of trying a hail mary. He has a loser's mentality and instead of trying to win games he just wants to hope they don't lose.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
My thoughts on Rex Ryan have absolutely nothing to do with Kubiak.

They barely beat the Browns, they barely beat the Lions, they got shut out by the Packers, and they barely beat the Broncos. They're not world beaters.

Of course, wins are wins. They're 7-2, and we're not.
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The Lions are not the same Lions they've been in years past. The D Line is much improved.

The Browns have Rob Ryan as their DC. That defense is the real deal.

The Broncos hung 49 on a team we had to have an amazing 4th quarter comeback against.

Rex Ryan teams, and Rob Ryan teams play very hard, physical, and intimidating football the way its meant to be played. Personally, thats what I want out of a team.
 
c10x said:
You are aware thats not gonna happen right?

Also, we're 4-6. Not 1-7. This season is by no means over.
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LOL, do you watch this team play? The season is over. And we're 4-5 by the way. And of course he is aware that Kubiak and Smith won't be gone in the morning. Sarcasm meter needed.
 
By the way, I'm not advocating for a mid-season firing (I would say I'm neutral to the idea), but I just thought I'd point out how that is working out for the Cowboys. So for all of you who have thought, said, or posted about how firing a coach halfway means sacrificing the season, stop and think about the Cowboys and Jason Garrett for a second.

edit: and yes, I know it's not the same situation. Yes, I realize Garrett was already part of the staff. etc.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
Why is he the next Panthers coach? That job was enticing to him when his wife was still living (RIP) and his daughters were still living at home. Not to mention the rebuilding process for Carolina. He comes to Houston and we have the talent in place already...we just have a shitty head coach and coordinators. We hire Cowher as the HC and Wade Phillips as the DC. Not sure what OC's are out there that would be good for us.



Like I said, read up on some history. You fail to mention that Bud got all of the renovations he wanted to the Dome just a few years earlier. He then proceeded to get jealous of other new stadiums and wanted to build his own new one. Why would the City of Houston pay to build a new stadium when they just put in millions towards renovations on the current one (that the city is still paying off I believe). How much sense does that make? Yeah.
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I didn't mean to jump in on your discussions, but I do find it odd for a 19 yr old to tell someone to read up on something about the oilers,lmao. It was a personal pissing contest to say the least. Sure bud got renovations to a old,dated stadium, but anyone who went to the old dome knew it was crap. Now, bud could've played it different, but Lanier took it personal. The Rockets,then Oilers should've gotten a stadium before the astros, but it happened the other way around. If they had built the stadium they have now, it wouldve saved someone 600m. I can say its neither here or there and there is enough fault on both sides.

Back to the cowher thing, they do have a good chance of getting him and he is the only person worth firing kubiak over at the moment. The team would still have to go through the interviw process, but they have alot of elements he would like. The texans really need to clean up their play to be really good imo. They have yet to have a + to differential sonce coming into the league. If they can get to 0, they would probably make the playoffs every year.
 
leebigeztx said:
I didn't mean to jump in on your discussions, but I do find it odd for a 19 yr old to tell someone to read up on something about the oilers,lmao. It was a personal pissing contest to say the least. Sure bud got renovations to a old,dated stadium, but anyone who went to the old dome knew it was crap. Now, bud could've played it different, but Lanier took it personal. The Rockets,then Oilers should've gotten a stadium before the astros, but it happened the other way around. If they had built the stadium they have now, it wouldve saved someone 600m. I can say its neither here or there and there is enough fault on both sides.
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What does my age matter? That's always the easy excuse. I've read enough about what happened from members here who remember it and looked up some stuff myself. The Dome sucked, but Bud got all the renovations he wanted just a couple of years before demanding a new stadium. Now what city would build a new stadium after just renovating a old one that they are still paying for today? What kind of sense does that make? And Bud didn't even contact the Rockets about the dual stadium thing.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
What does my age matter? That's always the easy excuse. I've read enough about what happened from members here who remember it and looked up some stuff myself. The Dome sucked, but Bud got all the renovations he wanted just a couple of years before demanding a new stadium. Now what city would build a new stadium after just renovating a old one that they are still paying for today? What kind of sense does that make? And Bud didn't even contact the Rockets about the dual stadium thing.
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It does matter because you weren't watching the news and listening the dialogue going back and forth between the mayor and adams. Bud thought about moving to jacksonville and the city re-upped the old ass dome. That was putting a band-aid on a severed leg. After the band-aid wore off, bud started looking again and the mayor took it personal and called his bluff. Tennessee came with a deal,lanier said go to hell, and bud left. If not for the bumbling mess in La, houston sould stil be teamless. Soon as Bud left, the city found money to build the scrub astros a stadium before the rockets. When it was reported les might leave for virginia, the toyota center came about with the help of the harris county stadium thing. Point is, I'm not saying your age doesn't lend to a perspective, but thats like me telling people about how average I thought Dr J was. He was average to me because when I started watching him from 1981 till he retired, he looked average to me. His best days were in the cba and early nba, but for a soon to be 40 yr old, he looked average in those years. So yeah, age does matter somewhat.
 
leebigeztx said:
It does matter because you weren't watching the news and listening the dialogue going back and forth between the mayor and adams. Bud thought about moving to jacksonville and the city re-upped the old ass dome. That was putting a band-aid on a severed leg. After the band-aid wore off, bud started looking again and the mayor took it personal and called his bluff. Tennessee came with a deal,lanier said go to hell, and bud left. If not for the bumbling mess in La, houston sould stil be teamless. Soon as Bud left, the city found money to build the scrub astros a stadium before the rockets. When it was reported les might leave for virginia, the toyota center came about with the help of the harris county stadium thing. Point is, I'm not saying your age doesn't lend to a perspective, but thats like me telling people about how average I thought Dr J was. He was average to me because when I started watching him from 1981 till he retired, he looked average to me. His best days were in the cba and early nba, but for a soon to be 40 yr old, he looked average in those years. So yeah, age does matter somewhat.
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The money was obviously found because the city didn't want to lose anymore of its teams. And the Toyota Center wasn't built under Lanier's watch (a new basketball arena failed). I see the three teams as different circumstances. From stories from my dad and people on this forum, I won't blame the City of Houston for the Oilers leaving. Just Bud's old greedy self.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
The money was obviously found because the city didn't want to lose anymore of its teams. And the Toyota Center wasn't built under Lanier's watch (a new basketball arena failed). I see the three teams as different circumstances. From stories from my dad and people on this forum, I won't blame the City of Houston for the Oilers leaving. Just Bud's old greedy self.
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They formed the harris county sports authority soon after the oilers left.

http://www.houstonsports.org/about/history/

Now maybe if this venture was formed prior to the oilers leaving, then maybe something couldve been done, but it was formed when they were in the process of leaving. I won't de-rail this anymore, but you can read up on it and then go archive some of the houston chronicle during that time.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's what I've been saying, keep hope alive.
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Hope is always alive for the man dying of thirst, until he's actually dead. I really don't think anyone that posts reguarly on this board is actually going to "switch" and all of a sudden be a fan of another team.

We all have hope, it's just for some of us hope is a warm stale beer we've drank one to many times.
 
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I am surprised this bad boy has not been fired up yet.

I dont think he should be axed after this weak, but it was not a well coached game by Kubes.
 
rmartin65 said:
I am surprised this bad boy has not been fired up yet.

I dont think he should be axed after this weak, but it was not a well coached game by Kubes.
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He coached his ass off in the first half.... Payton did not.

Payton won the second half... I don't know what the heck Kubiak was doing in the second half.
 
thunderkyss said:
He coached his ass off in the first half.... Payton did not.

Payton won the second half... I don't know what the heck Kubiak was doing in the second half.
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kubes qb folded in the second half, duh. would you take schaub over brees? thats where the battle was won today
 
ATXtexanfan said:
kubes qb folded in the second half, duh. would you take schaub over brees? thats where the battle was won today
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Two weeks from now, someone will bring this game up in an argument. Most likely citing it as a bad game by Matt Schaub. But the stats are going to say Matt had a great game & that's all we will remember.

We had a 6 point lead going into the second half & scored 17 points in the second half. That should have been enough to win. We picked Brees twice, sacked him twice (Schaub only got sacked once, picked once)

As great as our defense played in the first half, they folded when we had the lead. Someone said it in the gameday thread. We were asking too much from our defense.
 
thunderkyss said:
He coached his ass off in the first half.... Payton did not.

Payton won the second half... I don't know what the heck Kubiak was doing in the second half.
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I don't get this.
If anything, Kubiak and Dennison should be crucified for the first half. Five red zone visits and only one TD.
If anyone gets torched for the second half it's Wade for allowing 30 (that's a point a minute for those scoring at home) second-half points.
 
ObsiWan said:
I don't get this.
If anything, Kubiak and Dennison should be crucified for the first half. Five red zone visits and only one TD.
If anyone gets torched for the second half it's Wade for allowing 30 (that's a point a minute for those scoring at home) second-half points.
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And the Saints didn't get to the redzone once in the first half.


What's your point?

We outscored the Saints, 16-10 in the first half.... point, Kubiak.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Kubiak is never going to do squat as a HC. He has never met a challenge he couldn't fail at.

2-19 v. Winning teams on road. You suck, Gary
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That's not even close to fair. I dont blame this loss one bit on the HC. The loss sucked especially the way it happened but get real Schaub blew the game not Kubiak.
 
bigbrewster2000 said:
That's not even close to fair. I dont blame this loss one bit on the HC. The loss sucked especially the way it happened but get real Schaub blew the game not Kubiak.
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There are a lot of things that went wrong, but I'm waiting to see how the team responds to the Steelers, Raiders and Ravens. As to Kubiak, until he is actually a winning coach, which he isn't, he's still a loser. That's just the way it is.
 
Thorn said:
There are a lot of things that went wrong, but I'm waiting to see how the team responds to the Steelers, Raiders and Ravens. As to Kubiak, until he is actually a winning coach, which he isn't, he's still a loser. That's just the way it is.
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Noy only is this a very reasonable statement, it is also very true. I agree.
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95 games in his head coaching career - NINETY FIVES GAMES - and he's 47-48.

I really don't think there's much else that needs to be said.
 
who cares.

The playoffs and division champs gave him and minimum of 2 years as our HC. Even if we have a KC type of turnaround, he'll still be around since he broke McNair PO/Division winner's cherry.

Get used to it ladies, we're gonna ride-e-ee-e-e- til we die-e-e-e-e-e-eee with Kubes.

EDIT:blah blah blah, this is a discussion board/fantasy land and if realist like me don't like it, then we can gittt out.
 
eriadoc said:
95 games in his head coaching career - NINETY FIVES GAMES - and he's 47-48.

I really don't think there's much else that needs to be said.
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All that matters is the last 15 games. He's 10-5, locked up the AFC South C'ship - end of story. The only reason he does not have a legit shot at a SB this yr is due to very key injuries.
 
TEXANS4MARIO said:
All that matters is the last 15 games. He's 10-5, locked up the AFC South C'ship - end of story. The only reason he does not have a legit shot at a SB this yr is due to very key injuries.
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Actually, all that matters are the next two to four games. Unfortunately, past performance IS an indicator of future success.
 
The underlying problems remain. Just one bad game, but the problems that made him a mediocre coach his first 95 games are still there.
 
It's silly to bring up this thread. Absolutely silly. It wasn't just Kubiak, it was the WHOLE DAMN TEAM! Are we gonna fire them too??

If we are going to fire anyone, it is Coach Joe.

Dude has overstayed his welcome.

The loss was bad, but we are over reacting. Now if we finish like 8-8 after starting 5-0, then yes. Fire everyone.
 
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eriadoc said:
The underlying problems remain. Just one bad game, but the problems that made him a mediocre coach his first 95 games are still there.
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You bumped this thread for this?


It's one loss, after five consecutive wins, not to mention that divisional playoff game last season...and you still want to fire the coach?


Wow. Just freakin wow.
 
thunderkyss said:
Two weeks from now, someone will bring this game up in an argument. Most likely citing it as a bad game by Matt Schaub. But the stats are going to say Matt had a great game & that's all we will remember.

We had a 6 point lead going into the second half & scored 17 points in the second half. That should have been enough to win. We picked Brees twice, sacked him twice (Schaub only got sacked once, picked once)

As great as our defense played in the first half, they folded when we had the lead. Someone said it in the gameday thread. We were asking too much from our defense.
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You know, it's interesting that you mention Matt's bad game because I thought before the game started when they showed him in pre-game warmups he had the weirdest look on his face. He looked like he was already whipped. I'm serious, I want to go back and dig up some screenshots of that because it caught my attention right away. It was some of the most negative, hang-dog looking it expression and body language I can remember ever seeing out of him. He looked like that all night from the opening drive. It's like he was pissed off about something and not something he could channel into his game.

I wonder what was up with that?
 
Lurvinator11 said:
It's silly to bring up this thread. Absolutely silly. It wasn't just Kubiak, it was the WHOLE DAMN TEAM! Are we gonna fire them too??
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This game, it was the whole team. Every game, it's whole team. You're absolutely right. But you know what? There's one common thread and Kubiak's problems haven't changed. Take away Kubiak's issues tonight and they probably still get beat. But after this long, those problems shouldn't be contributing to a loss like this. A loss is just a loss. This one stings a bit more.

If we are going to fire anyone, it is Coach Joe.

Dude has overstayed his welcome.
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Well, there's one guy that's been keeping him around past his welcome. If you need a hint, check the thread title.

The loss was bad, but we are over reacting. Now if we finish like 8-8 after starting 5-0, then yes. Fire everyone.
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fiasco west said:
Fire Wade too.

Get rid of Rick Smith while we are at it...

Time to rebuild. (What a horrible time to bump this thread.)
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Actually, the great thing about bumping this three year old thread is that it isn't overreacting. It's a thought process that's been marinating for three years (more for some). It's not like the team got blown out tonight and people started thinking Kubiak is awful despite a 5-1 record. It's that we've thought he's awful for a very long time and the same old, same old problems resurfaced tonight. That's all.
 
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