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Adrian Peterson arrested in Houston

I wonder how many people will base their opinions of ap's innocence off a verdict? I would hope most people realize the legal council here involves "random 2 bit prosecutor" vs. one of the best in the nation. For me the verdict will have as much credibility as the oj scam. My judgements regarding this episode will be based off the facts revealled and nothing more...(assuming more is ever revealled.)
 
steelbtexan said:
I will bet the anti AD people have never had a problem with cops being out of line.

The pro AD people have had these problems.

I find that if you do what the cops ask of you, you wont have these problems. Although I can see cops having problems with a young rich black guy not doing what they are telling him to do. Even if it is asking for a glass of water. Cops are generally big introverts with huge egos.

This is usually a case of who is the biggest swinging d**k in the club and it never turns out well for the young rich black athlete.
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2012Champs said:
You were the one bringing race into the equation in a discussion of civil rights. What a chicken **** exit from a thread using race as the reason when you were the cause
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Awww, how cute....2012Champs doesn't know how to look at post count before making an accusation!

To be HONEST, since that seems to be your problem with me (your assertion that I'm being dishonest) steelbtexan mentioned race and then I responded to it.

I never mentioned race ONE SINGLE TIME, nor even hinted at it, prior to steelbtexan's post (at the top). If you don't believe me, start at the beginning of this thread and read every post I made. You''l find that your accusation is the lie, pal.

I'll receive an apology from you, if you can muster one up. And while you're at it, why don't you go quote steelbtexan and then call HIM a chicken****?
 
GP said:
Awww, how cute....2012Champs doesn't know how to look at post count before making an accusation!

To be HONEST, since that seems to be your problem with me (your assertion that I'm being dishonest) steelbtexan mentioned race and then I responded to it.

I never mentioned race ONE SINGLE TIME, nor even hinted at it, prior to steelbtexan's post (at the top). If you don't believe me, start at the beginning of this thread and read every post I made. You''l find that your accusation is the lie, pal.

I'll receive an apology from you, if you can muster one up. And while you're at it, why don't you go quote steelbtexan and then call HIM a chicken****?
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How cute you had to go back 30 post and activity from 3 days prior to tie back into steel mentioning a black person to somehow tie into your post. However it seems you are the one with the reading problem. I stated you were the one who brought race into a civil rights discussion which is exactly what you did and then you turn around a decide to leave using race as the reason. I dont need to quote steel and call it chicken **** to leave a thread because he isnt leaving for the reason that he brought up race. You leaving based on race seems to be because you cant remove it from your own personal thought process.


I will receive an apology for your inability to read if you can muster one up
 
And what year was the last time that Hardin took up a misdemeanor case?..........................

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CloakNNNdagger said:
And what year was the last time that Hardin took up a misdemeanor case?..........................

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Its an area of law listed on their site as an area of practice. My assumption would be that Rusty would take as many of the cases that people paid him to take. Getting his face on tv certainly is a bonus though. A quick google search showed Rusty checking in at 850.00 a hour although Im not sure if its accurate
 
powda said:
I wonder how many people will base their opinions of ap's innocence off a verdict? I would hope most people realize the legal council here involves "random 2 bit prosecutor" vs. one of the best in the nation. For me the verdict will have as much credibility as the oj scam. My judgements regarding this episode will be based off the facts revealled and nothing more...(assuming more is ever revealled.)
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The DA's office almost certainly does not have anyone as good as Rusty but rest assured if they decide to prosecute this case it will not be randomly assigned.

CloakNNNdagger said:
And what year was the last time that Hardin took up a misdemeanor case?..........................
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When was the last time someone was willing and able to pay $200k to defend a misdemeanor? AP probably has $50k in already.
 
infantrycak said:
The DA's office almost certainly does not have anyone as good as Rusty but rest assured if they decide to prosecute this case it will not be randomly assigned.



When was the last time someone was willing and able to pay $200k to defend a misdemeanor? AP probably has $50k in already.
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That's what I was getting at.
 
infantrycak said:
The DA's office almost certainly does not have anyone as good as Rusty but rest assured if they decide to prosecute this case it will not be randomly assigned.



When was the last time someone was willing and able to pay $200k to defend a misdemeanor? AP probably has $50k in already.
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I don't know what actually happened in this situation, so I will leave it at that. "If" I was arrested for the same accusation and was innocent, I would have to pay the fine because I am too broke to do otherwise. However, if I had A.D. kind of cash or a good portion, I question how much would I be willing to pay to defend myself if innocent.
 
StarStruck said:
I don't know what actually happened in this situation, so I will leave it at that. "If" I was arrested for the same accusation and was innocent, I would have to pay the fine because I am too broke to do otherwise. However, if I had A.D. kind of cash or a good portion, I question how much would I be willing to pay to defend myself if innocent.
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Many of us, if we had his kind of $$$, would pay to have ourselves defended by the best no matter if we were innocent or not.
 
infantrycak said:
The DA's office almost certainly does not have anyone as good as Rusty
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You and I know they dont. Houston can deliberately send their best prosecutor and without unquestionable evidence like surveillance video the prosecution will look like amateur hour. Especially if ap is the kind of guy who has a dozen "hangers on" who serve as witnesses.

$850 an hour? Thought it would be much more.
 
powda said:
You and I know they dont. Houston can deliberately send their best prosecutor and without unquestionable evidence like surveillance video the prosecution will look like amateur hour. Especially if ap is the kind of guy who has a dozen "hangers on" who serve as witnesses.
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Just going to point out Hardin spent 15 years with the Houston DA's office in which time he never lost a felony jury trial including something like 15-20 death penalty cases. Many, actually most, of the best defense attorneys start out as DA's.
 
infantrycak said:
Just going to point out Hardin spent 15 years with the Houston DA's office in which time he never lost a felony jury trial including something like 15-20 death penalty cases. Many, actually most, of the best defense attorneys start out as DA's.
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Thats a good point and history I didnt know about Hardin. Theres still not going to be a comparison, especially if it dissolves into a he said she said argument. Think the arresting officer is going to get torched on the stand regardless of right or wrong.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The StarTribune is already saying that AP could be opening TC on the PUP.........
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Does PUP mean temporary or for the season? He had said that goal was to play the season opener. I was feeling quite comfortable in selling my Cowboys vs. Saints tickets for a profit which was the only game that I had a conflict.
 
StarStruck said:
Does PUP mean temporary or for the season? He had said that goal was to play the season opener. I was feeling quite comfortable in selling my Cowboys vs. Saints tickets for a profit which was the only game that I had a conflict.
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If Peterson is put on the PUP list during training camp (as may happen), he can be removed from that list anytime before the start of the regular season. But if he starts the season on the PUP list, he can't practice or play for at least six weeks. He can then begin practicing after six weeks, and the Ravens have three weeks from the time the he starts practicing to add him to the active roster. If he doesn't practice within that three week window, he has to be left on the PUP list the entire 2012 season.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
He can then begin practicing after six weeks, and the Ravens have three weeks from the time the he starts practicing to add him to the active roster. If he doesn't practice within that three week window, he has to be left on the PUP list the entire 2012 season.
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Not sure if the rules changed under the new CBA but it used to be the player can begin practicing between weeks 6 and 8 and then has two weeks to practice at which time he has to go on the roster or IR.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
If Peterson is put on the PUP list during training camp (as may happen), he can be removed from that list anytime before the start of the regular season. But if he starts the season on the PUP list, he can't practice or play for at least six weeks. He can then begin practicing after six weeks, and the Ravens Vikings have three weeks from the time the he starts practicing to add him to the active roster. If he doesn't practice within that three week window, he has to be left on the PUP list the entire 2012 season.
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Thanks.
 
2012Champs said:
How cute you had to go back 30 post and activity from 3 days prior to tie back into steel mentioning a black person to somehow tie into your post. However it seems you are the one with the reading problem. I stated you were the one who brought race into a civil rights discussion which is exactly what you did and then you turn around a decide to leave using race as the reason. I dont need to quote steel and call it chicken **** to leave a thread because he isnt leaving for the reason that he brought up race. You leaving based on race seems to be because you cant remove it from your own personal thought process.


I will receive an apology for your inability to read if you can muster one up
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You are wrong...again.

Thunderkyss made a comment about how "...Makes note that GP never grew up during the civil rights era."

So actually, TK started it and I responded to it.
 
To 2012Champs:

Here it is in order, in case you want to stick to the facts.

Post #131 was me saying this

GP said:
It's not sick. Abuse OF the legal system is a major reason for rising health care costs (frivolous lawsuits).

And now a wealthy, above-the-law NFL star thinks he deserves a day in court.

At 2 a.m. in a bar, being asked to leave, refusing, being asked again, then laying hands on a cop (from behind, according to reports)....yeah, I'll go with what I said and continue to say: AP should've (a) been in control of himself, (b) should take his jailing like a man and simply resolve to be smarter in the future.

But hey, it's more fun to make the lives of a few cops miserable over such a DUMB situation to begin with.

Watch the personal insults toward fellow members too. I would never call you "sick." I might give reasons why I disagree with you, but I will never call names at you. Give me the same courtesy, fair?
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Post #137 was Thunderkyss saying this:

thunderkyss said:
Note to self... add "that GP did not live in the Civil Rights era" to list of blessings to count.
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Post #138 was me responding to a race baiting post by Thunderkyss:

GP said:
That's pretty sad.

You know those times when you need the edit button before things get quoted? This is one of those times for you.

I think most people are sick and tired of the racial issues. And comments like that are not worth the effort required to respond to.

Because he's black, and because I said what I said, you're using bad math to create a bad answer. But hey, your evaluation/analysis skills have been pretty bad on football issues too...so what the hay, it's par for the course I suppose.
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2012Champs:

Rather than talk massive trash talk, I'll let the evidence speak for itself here.

Look, I said NFL superstar. That does not equate to me saying "black guy" if that's where you're trying to take this.

Drew Brees is an NFL superstar too, and he's white. So the thing I have is against ANY person who is a superstar and thinks their stardom and their fame and their money means they can get away with blatant abuse of the judicial system. For the life of me, I don't know why you chose to equate me with being a racist, but the posts made by me and others do not prove your theory.

You've been genuinely hateful to me, and I resent it 100%. You need to stop.
 
Yup GP, you showed him. You go girl.


I do, however, understand why you made the connection between "civil rights" & race. Mostly, I think, due to your hang up on race. But when you see the words "civil rights" & "civil liberties" it does not necessarily have anything to do with race.

I yahooed "civil rights" & found several examples where race isn't an issue.

  1. Here's one
    The appeals court reversed Superior Court Judge Evan H.C. Crook, who last year dismissed Greenberg's complaint against the state police; the trooper; the sergeant; Oil Station Inc., a Hainesport oil and lube service shop; and Peter Moran Jr., its owner. Greenberg is seeking unspecified damages and also claiming civil rights violations.
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    Trinity County deputy claims sheriff violated his free speech rights
    Punishment violated civil rights, he says
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  3. & another
    According to court papers filed June 14 in the Houston Division of the Southern District of Texas, the plaintiff did not resist authorities though officer Chris Bryant allegedly physically assaulted and Tasered him.

    The suit adds Rollerson was not read his Miranda rights nor fully advised of the reason for his arrest prior to being transported to the Freeport Police Department headquarters.

    The plaintiff says he sustained cuts to the back of his neck as well as a severe headache and chest pains "that radiated to his back" as a result of the incident in question.

    He asserts his constitutional rights were violated.
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I yahooed "Bill of Rights" & found this gem

Fresh in their minds was the memory of the British violation of civil rights before and during the Revolution. They demanded a "bill of rights" that would spell out the immunities of individual citizens.
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With that, I hope you understand how inaccurate your statement
Post #138 was me responding to a race baiting post by Thunderkyss:
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is.
 
You said civil rights. That's black history.

You also are trying to switch words and act like you meant something else.

I don't have a hang up on race. You and TexansChamps2012 and Steelbtexan brought it up. I didn't. See the difference? No, you probably can't.

What you meant to say doesn't matter. What you said is what counts. You tried to finger me for a race crime, then you're trying to cover your tracks by saying you meant bill of rights. That's horsecrap and it's patently obvious.

It's all there for all to see. This board needs to call down those who accuse others of being racist. And this episode is a prime example of why. I should t have to over explain it and show all the posts in order to refute YOUR claim and the other guy's claim. Three people made this about race, none of those three people are named GP.
 
GP said:
You said civil rights. That's black history.
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Yeah because civil rights only apply to blacks.

Civil and political rights are a class of rights that protect individuals' freedom from unwarranted infringement by governments and private organizations, and ensure one's ability to participate in the civil and political life of the state without discrimination or repression.

Civil rights include the ensuring of peoples' physical and mental integrity, life and safety; protection from discrimination on grounds such as physical or mental disability, gender, religion, race, national origin, age, status as a member of the uniformed services, sexual orientation, or gender identity and individual rights such as privacy, the freedoms of thought and conscience, speech and expression, religion, the press, and movement.
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GP said:
You said civil rights. That's black history.

You also are trying to switch words and act like you meant something else.

I don't have a hang up on race. You and TexansChamps2012 and Steelbtexan brought it up. I didn't. See the difference? No, you probably can't.

What you meant to say doesn't matter. What you said is what counts. You tried to finger me for a race crime, then you're trying to cover your tracks by saying you meant bill of rights. That's horsecrap and it's patently obvious.

It's all there for all to see. This board needs to call down those who accuse others of being racist. And this episode is a prime example of why. I should t have to over explain it and show all the posts in order to refute YOUR claim and the other guy's claim. Three people made this about race, none of those three people are named GP.
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I've come to the conclusion that you're nuts. When someone mentioned civil rights you took it as a race issue. Are you racist? I have no idea nor do I really care. Pointing out to you that civil rights arent just about blacks should be something a normal person could process without getting as defensive as you have
 
Wow, defending GP, what'll happen next...

The "Civil Rights Era" (TK did say ERA) in the U.S. indeed WAS mostly about African-Americans. Google US civil rights era and tell me what shows up on your screen, I know what came up on mine.

African-American Civil Rights Movement (1955–1968) - Wikipedia ...
en.wikipedia.org/.../African-American_Civil_Rights_Movement_...
Atlantic slave trade · Maafa · Slavery in the United States · Military history of African Americans · Jim Crow laws · Redlining · Great Migration · Civil Rights ...

Background - Mass action replacing litigation - Key events - Other issues


Civil rights movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_rights_movement
Jump to Civil rights movement in the United States‎: Main articles: African-American Civil Rights Movement (1896–1954), African-American Civil ...

African-American Civil Rights ... - Timeline - Category:Civil rights movement

Civil Rights Movement Timeline (14th Amendment, 1964 Act ...
www.infoplease.com/spot/civilrightstimeline1.html/

Milestones in the modern civil rights movement since 1954. ... black nationalist and founder of the Organization of Afro-American Unity, is shot to death.
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Followed by pictures of "racial unrest".

So yes, TK "started it" and GP took it considerably farther than it needed to go, but...his "assumption" is pretty darn logical.

I'm not picking a side, simply stating that jumping from Civil Rights Era to race-baiting isn't that big a leap.
 
disaacks3 said:
Wow, defending GP, what'll happen next...

The "Civil Rights Era" (TK did say ERA) in the U.S. indeed WAS mostly about African-Americans. Google US civil rights era and tell me what shows up on your screen, I know what came up on mine.
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I admit I said Civil Rights era..... I said so a while back.

thunderkyss said:
Well, I was actually thinking Bill of Rights, but that was too long ago. I was speaking more to personal liberties.

But I see what you're saying.
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disaacks3 said:
So yes, TK "started it" and GP took it considerably farther than it needed to go, but...his "assumption" is pretty darn logical.

I'm not picking a side, simply stating that jumping from Civil Rights Era to race-baiting isn't that big a leap.
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I don't know if it's darn logical. Not a big leap, I can agree with.

But this conversation had nothing to do with race prior to GP getting bent out of shape about race. In the context of the conversation, I think "personal liberties" civil rights as it applies to all of us is more appropriate. We have a case where a man is in custody for resisting arrest, but we don't know the original charge.

They've got to attempt to arrest him for something (& we want to know what that something is) before he can resist.

Civil liberties as defined by the bill of rights says a man should be informed of the charges against him.

Just because they wear uniforms don't mean they can tell you what to do. Which is what I believe GP was alluding to. A cop has no right to lay a hand on you if you're not breaking the law. Don't let them tell you different.
 
disaacks3 said:
I'm not picking a side, simply stating that jumping from Civil Rights Era to race-baiting isn't that big a leap.
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Well I will volley back to you. The biggest issue of the era was certainly race but there is a huge leap between referring to the era and race-baiting even if that is the case. Factually the era dealt with race, sexual liberation, women's' rights. privacy, search and seizure, freedom of speech, right to defense counsel, etc. Roe and Miranda are household names which come from that era. We're fighting more over Roe now than we are Brown v. Bd. of Education.

Seeing civil rights and racial issues is no stretch. Turning it into race baiting and jumping into the deep end of the martyr pool like GP did was definitely a stretch especially after it was explained.
 
From the article:

Hollingsworth said Peterson testified before the grand jury on Tuesday and found no probable cause for prosecutors to continue.

''It's what should've happened from the get-go,'' Hollingsworth said. ''I'm glad it happened now.''

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Peterson, a native of Palestine, Texas, was handcuffed and briefly jailed after the confrontation outside the club with an off-duty police officer. He was released on a $1,000 bond.

Police said Peterson shoved the officer, who was working security and asked Peterson and his companions to leave the club, which was closed. Peterson said in court a week after the incident that he ''didn't push, shove, touch anything to anyone that night, especially an officer.''
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The bad thing is even though AD was proven innocent, there's no telling how much $$$$ it cost him in lawyer fees, all because of a hot headed cop and the DA's office teming up in a form of colusion.

The $$$$ doesn't matter to Peterson. But they sure do when this happens to the common man and yes this kind of stuff happens all of the time to the common man. It's happened to me. Cost me $5,000 to prove my innocence and people wonder why there's no trust of the judicial system in this country.

There would be alot less charges brought if the losing side had to pay attorney fees and that would put a stop to most of this BS.

BTW, Rusty Hardin is a bada** in the court room. A modern day Racehorse Haynes.
 
I'm trying to figure out if this was dropped because it was bogus 100% or just nifty maneuvering by a great lawyer.

Sorry, I just won't accept the idea that Adrian Peterson did nothing to warrant the situation. We're living in an age where everybody practically gets a sympathy vote on everything, i.e. reelection of a really, REALLY bad President.

And this, for me, is not black/white race issue. I think this is more to do with his celebrity status. If Justin Bieber had been in those shoes, I'd be just as slow to believe Bieber's side of the story, too. You generally don't get much attention in a bar at 2 a.m., from the cops, unless you're asking for it. /GP'sDiscussion.
 
GP said:
I'm trying to figure out if this was dropped because it was bogus 100% or just nifty maneuvering by a great lawyer.

Sorry, I just won't accept the idea that Adrian Peterson did nothing to warrant the situation. We're living in an age where everybody practically gets a sympathy vote on everything, i.e. reelection of a really, REALLY bad President.

And this, for me, is not black/white race issue. I think this is more to do with his celebrity status. If Justin Bieber had been in those shoes, I'd be just as slow to believe Bieber's side of the story, too. You generally don't get much attention in a bar at 2 a.m., from the cops, unless you're asking for it. /GP'sDiscussion.
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Or it could be that he was innocent of charges that never should have been brought against him in the 1st place.
 
GP said:
I'm trying to figure out if this was dropped because it was bogus 100% or just nifty maneuvering by a great lawyer.

Sorry, I just won't accept the idea that Adrian Peterson did nothing to warrant the situation. We're living in an age where everybody practically gets a sympathy vote on everything, i.e. reelection of a really, REALLY bad President.
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I used to think the way you did until it happened to me. Our crime? We were driving in the aftermath of Rita in a banged up car and were stopped. My buddy, who was driving, had a conceal-carry license.

Though we did not get arrested (as we did NOTHING worng), the cops put us in the back of their vehicle while they completely searched his car....and stole his $400 "hurricane" cash!!!

Yes, I too was one that used to always believe a policeman's testimony in the court was always true and that the defendant was lying. I no longer believe that after my experience. Not that I think that ALL policemen are bad, but I do know that some police officers collude with one another and are corrupt.

In this instance, I have to give the benefit of the doubt to AP.
 
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