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DeMeco Ryans traded to Philadelphia

Texecutioner said:
I don't mind that we traded him. I understand and agree that his value to this defense dropped since our system changed. I just feel that Demeco is still capable of being a great player and he's a great leader. For another team he is a great pick up. I feel we could have landed with better return.





I don't think we want to keep trying to stay young. We have a huge window right now. That's when I typically think that solid vets have a better impact to help younger teams go that extra mile. I think we were in that kind of position entering the off season.




Well good for us, his role in this defense wasn't as big as it was in previous schemes. It's not like losing Cushing or Joseph right now would be. I do feel that his role is eaiser to replace now, but Demeco is going to be a really strong piece to the Eagles. They have really needed a good MLB, and getting a guy like Demeco is going to really give them a boost. I just feel like they sort of sleezed us on this one, and got great value for giving up very little. We really needed a steal on a transaction right now don't ya think?
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Good thoughts/statements there, I hear you on a lot of those.

A 3rd would have been best, but a 4th and 12 spots up in the 3rd is what we got. They're paying his salary, too, so IIRC that frees up cap space (I'm not a cap guru though, so I might be wrong there).

We can't keep everyone. The only guys we really lost were Mario and Briesel who got crazy offers, respective to their situations. Winston was iffy but his pass pro is shaky and he had an ankle tweak and cost us a lot this year if we had kept him. We kept Foster. Kept our Pro Bowl center. Lost our CB2-B in J Allen. We might lose Dreessen, hope we don't though.

It's all part of the gig. We have a first, a second, a better 3rd rounder now, and two 4ths that who knows what we might do (bundle them and move up???). Two, maybe three of those are going to be contributors like Watt, Reed, Tate, etc. have been.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
McClain is saying we take a 6.75 mil hit this year and freed up 9 mil for next. But it's McClain so take if for what it is worth.
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Texans have to re-sign Schaub, Cushing, Duane Brown, Barwin, and Glover Quin next year. You have to get under the cap somehow. Can't just keep cutting scrubs to do so either. If we kept DeMeco then we probably don't have the money to keep all our key free agents next year.
 
Vinny said:
If Rick Smith isn't making the decisions he should be fired and we should get a GM that actually makes decisions and leads a franchise.
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Smith is not that guy. He's never been that guy. This is McNair's "leadership by committee" blueprint. It's worked one year out of 10.
 
ckhouston said:
Because we are loaded at OLB
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Since when? Now that Mario is out of the picture, if Barwin or Reed were to go down the Texans would be royally screwed.

OLB is close to the top, if not the top draft need for Houston right now. There's no way they're moving Braman inside with the position they're in at the moment.
 
TexanSam said:
Texans have to re-sign Schaub, Cushing, Duane Brown, Barwin, and Glover Quin next year. You have to get under the cap somehow. Can't just keep cutting scrubs to do so either. If we kept DeMeco then we probably don't have the money to keep all our key free agents next year.
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Some of those guys won't be back with the Texans. I'm looking at Schaub primarily as being a cap casualty next year. Kubiak will try his best to get T.J. ready to be the starter in 2013.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I love how the believability of McClain's reporting is dependant on the situation.

This board rarely believes the fat actor, except for when the news re-enforces the majority opinion.
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I don't like the trade a face value regardless if there is a cap hit or not.
 
Lucky said:
Right. McClain hasn't gotten much right this offseason. Ryans could be designated a June 1st cut, and the cap hit could be spread over 2 years. It's the type of accounting stuff that the media isn't always on top of.
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Remember all those years in dead cap money? I thought we'd moved on from that :(
 
We have a solid linebacking core (including backups) but the chemistry just makes DeMeco 100x more reliable...
 
TexanSam said:
Texans have to re-sign Schaub, Cushing, Duane Brown, Barwin, and Glover Quin next year. You have to get under the cap somehow. Can't just keep cutting scrubs to do so either. If we kept DeMeco then we probably don't have the money to keep all our key free agents next year.
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They are doing something wrong then because the Eagles of all teams just picked up Demeco Ryans and his contract.

The Eagles...the team that went nuts in FA last year and paid Vick big money and just extended Desean Jackson just added Demeco to their payroll.
 
Nawzer said:
Some of those guys won't be back with the Texans. I'm looking at Schaub primarily as being a cap casualty next year. Kubiak will try his best to get T.J. ready to be the starter in 2013.
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I think that depends on how Schaub plays this season.
 
Lucky said:
Smith is not that guy. He's never been that guy. This is McNair's "leadership by committee" blueprint. It's worked one year out of 10.
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Then why is he being paid? I disagree, it is Smith for good or bad. He was hired because of a reason I dont need to go into but now he has to be held accountable and I think trading Rynas was a good decision. Not going after Manning was a horrible decision.
 
Nawzer said:
Difference between Morey and Smith is that Morey has been dealt a tough hand. With Yao and T-Mac done we were put in a really bad situation that we're going to come out of next year. Morey is doing the best he can with what he has. Not saying he's perfect, but I doubt there are many other GMs who could've done a better job than him. Plus, with super stars congregating it's hard to get one of those guys. As for Smith, I'm not going to complain too much about the Mario, Winston, and Brisiel loses because I think we have players who can replace them. My worry is that there is no one on the team right now imo who can replace Ryans. Sharpton is coming off major injury and expecting him to come in right away and replace that hole at ILB is bit unrealistic imo. It might take him up to a year to fully recover. Don't get me wrong, I hope Sharpton comes in and tears it up because above all I want my Texans to win. But it's not a realistic goal if you're going to play mid round rookies in critical position and hope to make a deep playoff run. It could happen, but imo it's not very likely. Of course, between now and game 1 we will probably sign some vets, so that remains to be seen.
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Agree with the Morey part, just all this talk of 'Value' and saving money reminded me of a move Morey would make.

With that said I agree completely with the bolded.

It's like I said earlier. You don't see the Ravens trading or cutting Ray Lewis despite it is obvious that he's just an above average LB now, they know his veteran presence simply can't be replaced.
 
A few tweets from Texans players:

Brian Cushing said:
I wouldn't be half the player or person I am today without @DRyans59 this one hurts. Philly got a unbelievable player and leader today. #59
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Connor Barwin said:
One of the best people I have ever had the opportunity to play with...@dryans59 you will be missed. I owe you a lot! Thanks
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Duane Brown said:
Hate it that my dawg @DRyans59 is gone. Helluva player but also a true captain that led by example
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Glover Quin said:
Honored to have had the chance to play with and learn from @DRyans59.. True leader and great person... Preciate you bro..
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Matt Schaub said:
Really tough to see @DRyans59 go. True leader on & off the field. Gr8 player & person who represented Htown to the upmost. #Texans
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J.J. Watt said:
DeMeco is the epitome of a team captain. A true leader, who'll most definitely be missed. Wishing him nothing but the best. We got this...
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ckhouston said:
Then why is he being paid? I disagree, it is Smith for good or bad. He was hired because of a reason I dont need to go into but now he has to be held accountable and I think trading Rynas was a good decision. Not going after Manning was a horrible decision.
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Umm ... he got 95 million over 5 years . Their dumping salary as we speak so i'm thinking it couldn't have happened .
 
Good move. Hurts me to say it, but Rick Smith just freed up enough cash to keep either Duane Brown or Connor Barwin plus change next year. Multiple picks in return isn't to be sniffed at given the number of positions we're thin at.

People giving it the whole facepalm stuff are over-reacting to this. Ryans was great pre-injury and above average with a + for heart post-injury.

He was also getting paid like an elite 43 MLB.

No matter what round the picks are in, its important that we reload our depth this offseason and have some guys ready to play in 12 months time, and I doubt there will be any 100-page threads that rage for the next year about how we should let Brown walk next March. Get real about certain guys' value people, this is a sensible move by the FO, and even if Ryans does great in Philly, which I hope he does, they won't be proven wrong on this one.

What Ryans is capable of, what his role in Wade's D is, and what we were set to pay him are 3 very different things, and you know what? I'd put his role in Wade's D at the bottom of that list, and what we were paying him at the top, his real value is somewhere in between.
 
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/e...ade-lb-demeco-ryans-to-eagles-for-draft-picks


Ryans should immediately help Philadelphia. (US Presswire)

After suffering a ruptured Achilles in 2010 that forced him to miss more than half the season, inside linebacker DeMeco Ryans started all 16 games for the Texans last year. But with a core of young players performing impressively (J.J. Watt, Connor Barwin, and Brian Cushing) and with Ryan's impact blunted a bit by Wade Phillips' 3-4 scheme, Ryans obviously wasn't in the franchise's long-term plans.

After the Texans reportedly asked him earlier this month to take a paycut from his $5.9 million base salary, Houston traded the two-time Pro Bowler to the Eagles on Tuesday night for a fourth-round draft choice. The teams also have swapped third-round picks in the 2012 draft, meaning the Eagles now have the 89th selection overall, while the Texans took the Eagles' 77th overall pick

Ryans will certainly upgrade a Philadelphia linebacker corps that, for most of last season, was simply terrible.

It was thought the Eagles might go after Stephen Tulloch in free agency, but he re-signed with the Lions on a five-year contract on Tuesday to close off that option.

Ryans -- who signed a six-year, $48 million contract before the 2010 season that guaranteed more than $21 million -- didn't play well early in the season for Houston, but he started making an impact late and finished with 64 tackles.

“DeMeco is a proven Pro Bowl linebacker in this league and we're excited to be able to plug him into the middle of our defense,” said Eagles head coach Andy Reid said in a statement. “He's been the signal caller and a leader on a very good Texans defense for the last several years. He's a tough, instinctive football player and he'll be a great fit for our team.”

Said Eagles general manager Howie Roseman: “We're thrilled to be able to add a young and productive linebacker in DeMeco Ryans. We'd like to thank [Houston general manager] Rick Smith and the Texans. Once we found out that he could be available to us in a trade, we quickly found a way to work together to produce a good outcome for both teams.”

Here's what Smith had to say:

“DeMeco Ryans contributed significantly toward helping us build the foundation we hope will bring a world championship to the city of Houston. His professionalism and leadership cannot be over-exaggerated. This move was mutually beneficial for the Texans immediate and long-term goals, DeMeco's career, and the Philadelphia Eagles. We appreciate all the hard work and effort DeMeco invested in our organization and wish him only the best moving forward. He is a class act.”
 
The Eagles must not have been particularly high on what is at least perceived to be a deep free-agent inside linebacker market. They’re willing to surrender the pick, plus pick up Ryans’ remaining base salaries of $5.9 million (2012), $6.6 million (2013), and $6.8 million (2014-2015).
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link PFT
 
Lucky said:
That's true. Smith is getting too much "credit" for these moves. They had to be stamped by Kubiak, Phillips, and McNair. I know McNair didn't like losing a guy like Ryans. It was a real tough move by the organization. If there's no salary cap, DeMeco is on this team.
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How many of us work for a company where, at some point, a manager has been told by the CEO to create a list of fat trimming to clear the way for the company to withstand the wounds caused either by outside OR internal forces? All of us.

To me, there's no way a GM is dictating which guys stay and which guys go. He tells the coaches "This is what we need to free up. I'll leave you guys to yourselves to figure out how to make it work."

So then Kubiak, the HC, meets regularly with his coaches and they all evaluate film of the past few seasons. "Eric is not good at pass pro," says Kubiak...many in the room nod in agreement. Later, Wade pulls up Meco's name and they all discuss him. They probably even had Rick Smith to some degree sitting in on the talks to keep him abreast....he weighs in but reiterates its a tough call and it's up to the coaches.

But no. No, Rick Smith is single handedly determining the fate of the Texans. We're all smarter than that.

These decisions are resultant of our success, the price of that success, and a boss who probably told his manager to notify and let lower-level managers decide how to make it work.

For all we know, last year Bob (at this time) said he wants the world on a platter and we'd figure out how to pay for it later. In fact, they might have already had the Dooms Day List prepared all the way back to last offseason when Bob made the play for Manning, Joseph, and Vickers.
 
I hope this works out, but my gut says this move will stretch team chemistry a good bit.

Did this trade really get announced while some of our "core" defensive players were on the air? That notion rings an alarm bell to me, but I don't know what it means...plenty of thoughts though.
 
Those thoughts by the teammates piss me off.

It's clear that this dude means WAY more to this team that what was shown on the field last year.
 
UberDork said:
I hope this works out, but my gut says this move will stretch team chemistry a good bit.

Did this trade really get announced while some of our "core" defensive players were on the air? That notion rings an alarm bell to me, but I don't know what it means...plenty of thoughts though.
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Cushing is our leader. Watt is our future. We are fine.
 
Lucky said:
That's true. Smith is getting too much "credit" for these moves. They had to be stamped by Kubiak, Phillips, and McNair. I know McNair didn't like losing a guy like Ryans. It was a real tough move by the organization. If there's no salary cap, DeMeco is on this team.
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It is interesting that, according to many people, Wade gets 100% of the credit for picking all of the defensive players in last year's draft, but Rick Smith is the villain for this trade.

One guy gets all the credit for the good stuff, and a complete pass on the bad? Hmmm...
 
Vinny said:
not when you consider a football team has 22 starters. Its not like baseball or basketball where you can win big with a couple of stars and a supporting cast.
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No .... but your big money guys need to be stars . All three were picked in 2006 and have a combined 4 pro bowls seasons out of a combined 18 total . I would go as far as to say Demeco was the 4th best LB on the team last year , Winston the 3rd best OL , and Mario only played 5 games .
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Vinny said:
not when you consider a football team has 22 starters. Its not like baseball or basketball where you can win big with a couple of stars and a supporting cast.
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We got more leaders now than all of Capers' era put together.

2011 somehow got erased from fans' minds with the loss of Ryans.

I won't list all the guys we have now, guys who are easily every bit of the leader Ryans is. I already did so earlier. It's a big list.

Sad to see an original gangsta' headed to Philly, but we at least got something and the Eagles pay his $20-something million salary.
 
ckhouston said:
Cushing is our leader. Watt is our future. We are fine.
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Players being good is not the same as being leaders. Anyone not blind could see Ryans was an active and intellectual leader for the D. He walked over at times and told Cushing to chill out and keep to his assignments. Being good and being a leader are different.
 
From eagles.com...
In a move designed to augment the heart of the defense, the Eagles acquired two-time Pro Bowl middle linebacker DeMeco Ryans in a trade from the Houston Texans on Tuesday. In exchange, the Texans received a fourth-round pick (originally acquired from Tampa Bay) in the 2012 NFL Draft. The Eagles and Texans also swap third-round picks this year.

With this piece added to the puzzle, the Eagles defense is poised to build upon a 2011 season in which it finished in the top 10 in both points and yards allowed. The 6-1, 247-pound Ryans is the total package as he brings size, athleticism, leadership, experience and production to the Eagles. Ryans signed a six-year deal with the Texans in March 2010 that runs through the 2015 season.

"DeMeco is a proven Pro Bowl linebacker in this league and we’re excited to be able to plug him into the middle of our defense," said head coach Andy Reid. "He’s been the signal caller and a leader on a very good Texans defense for the last several years. He’s a tough, instinctive football player and he’ll be a great fit for our team."

"We’re thrilled to be able to add a young and productive linebacker in DeMeco Ryans," said general manager Howie Roseman. "We’d like to thank [Houston general manager] Rick Smith and the Texans. Once we found out that he could be available to us in a trade, we quickly found a way to work together to produce a good outcome for both teams."

Lauded as one of the league's best tacklers, the 27-year-old Ryans was the first Houston Texan to amass 600 tackles in a career. In his six seasons with Houston, Ryans notched 636 tackles (479 solo), 8.5 sacks, two interceptions, six forced fumbles, eight fumble recoveries and a touchdown. Since he entered the league in 2006 as a second-round pick (33rd overall) out of Alabama, Ryans ranks sixth in the AFC with an average of 7.4 tackles per game. Ryans had a streak of four straight seasons with 100-or-more tackles that spanned from 2006 through 2009.

Nicknamed "Cap" because of how he is admired and respected in the locker room, Ryans was one of the team captains on defense for the regular season and postseason in 2011. In fact, Ryans was instrumental in helping teach new coordinator Wade Phillips' 3-4 scheme as Houston transitioned from a 4-3 defense during the lockout-shortened offseason. The starting inside linebacker on the weak side in Houston’s 3-4 alignment, Ryans started all 16 regular season games and was third on the team with 64 total tackles last season. Houston boasted one of the league's best defenses in 2011 as the Texans were second in total defense and fourth in points allowed helping the franchise win its first division title and playoff game.

Ryans was named the Houston Texans' recipient of the Ed Block Courage Award in 2011 as he valiantly returned from an Achilles injury that prematurely ended his 2010 campaign. He was also the winner of the Mark Bruener Award for community service as his DeMeco Ryans Foundation has raised money for a number of charitable groups in the Houston area.

For those alarmed by Ryans' Achilles injury, Texans head coach Gary Kubiak remarked that the linebacker "was back playing like DeMeco of a couple years ago the last five or six weeks of the season." The 10 games missed at the end of the 2010 season are the only games that Ryans has missed during his six-year career.
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He was phenom his rookie season. Led the league in tackles. Blew people up. That was then. This is now.
 
We had a little over 4 mill in cap space left - if we have to take a 6.5 mill cap hit - who is going to be cut/traded next?
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Those thoughts by the teammates piss me off.

It's clear that this dude means WAY more to this team that what was shown on the field last year.
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Or...they're paying mad respect to a guy who deserves it and that's all it is.

One thing doesn't mean another.

They all know this is business. It's impossible to keep the whole gang together forever.
 
GP said:
We got more leaders now than all of Capers' era put together.

2011 somehow got erased from fans' minds with the loss of Ryans.

I won't list all the guys we have now, guys who are easily every bit of the leader Ryans is. I already did so earlier. It's a big list.
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2010 somehow got erased from your mind.
 
The first 2 picks of the 2006 draft are now gone thanks to money. Thanks to DeMeco for the hard work and dedication he has put in for the franchise.
 
McClain first revision:

John McClain ‏ @McClain_on_NFL
I was wrong. Texans take a $2 mil hit on cap cause of prorated signing bonus, not $6.75 mil. That figure includes base salary. Sorry.
 
People saying that he wasn't what he used to be need to realize he was coming off a major injury and playing in a new scheme.

Go back and look at those two playoff games and say he wasn't what he used to be.
 
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