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It's official... Troy Nolan is someone we can work with.
- Thread starter Carr Bombed
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Amazing what happens when your safeties don't have to play corner every play!
Watch it again, he didn't have to jump in front of the receiver, he was already in front of the receiver.
It was still a good play, he had to catch the ball & that was a great return.
I'm good with Nolan getting more playing time.
But the thing about him taking bad angles was about his open field tackling... last line of defense & all.
OK, that makes more sense.... he thought Edwards would cross in front.. maybe Braylon didn't see him.
I know what the bad angles thing was about and I don't buy it.
You're making it seem as if Nolan just stood still and the qb threw the ball to him.
He was in good position and he came down in front of the receiver and made the play.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Check the Niner's quotes.
Harbaugh asked Kaepernik (sp) if he saw "the safety" and he said he did. But Kaepernik expected Edwards to cut in front of "the safety" to get the ball.
Either way, I'll take it.
Basically he thought Braylon would get there before Nolan would.
As Tim Ryan (Niners TV analyst) said, Kaepernick just stared down Edwards. It was a good read by Nolan, who has only one year of actual NFL play under his belt. Troy is getting quality coaching for the first time in his NFL career. I'm pretty excited about how Nolan lis playing, plus he seems like he lost some weight and is faster.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
bump.
Troy Nolan is a playmaker. He's one of those players that's always around the ball.
So a preseason game against Alex Smith validates your argument? Dont know if you noticed but Wade Phillips has him playing as a back up.
No. He didn't. 49 tackles / 1 sack / 3 int's
Intresting to note I mentioned both Jonathan Joseph and Brandon Harris earlier in this thread. (dated January)
3 Int's is pretty good for a guy that wasn't even a full time starter. Not exactly sure how that is disputing what Carr Bombed said last year...
When they guy gets playing time, pre-season or regular, he has gotten some turnovers....
Kinda like he did in college...
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
He played in all 16 Games and started at least 2 games that i can find.
37 tackles
12 assist
13 of those tackles are special teams tackles
Nolan was apart of one of the most historically most inept secondaries ever and couldnt beat out Pollard or Wilson for more playing time. Your watching the stat sheet and ignoring all the missed tackles and blown assignments. I know everyones drinking the nolan koolaid right now but the blunt truth is : last year he wasnt good. Hope he plays better and I'd love to see him play well but im glad the texans acquired some safety help this offseason.
Played in every game doesn't mean that he played anything other than a few special teams plays in a game. And I clearly said "wasn't a full time starter"...Starting 2 games is your argument?
I won't even adress the rest of your rant because it had nothing to do with my post.
I think he meant that he did the same thing in the preseason.
When the games mattered, not so much.
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Carr Bombed
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He did the same thing DURING THE REGULAR SEASON. This thread wasn't starting during last year's preseason...
So, is it your position that Nolan is ready to start for an NFL team?
I think he is ready to get more playing time...
I would not mind seeing the safeties being kept fresh and/or moving Glover down to the Nickel and bringing in Nolan in those situations...
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
IDK, is Bernard Pollard slated to be a starter for a NFL team? If so...Nolan can start for one or two teams...
What's laughable is how fans can write this guy off after spending his rookie year on IR and then after being thrown into the mess that he was last season. Despite all of that he still made plays and has made plays when given a chance to play. This guy is going to make fools out of a lot of people.
Which included a historicaly inept DC, scheme, defensive philosophy, talent evaluation, etc.
Does Glover need to be kicked to the curb as well for participating in that same secondary??
Things change, players can often turn their careers around much less bounce back from one year of horrific coaching
Because I don't think he is ready to start?
I'm not saying the Texans should give up on him, or that he won't be a player. But the guy made just as many mistakes & bad plays as the rest of our defense in 2010. The Texans got rid of the two people that were in front of him & moved two more in their place.
So I am not alone in my assessment of Troy Nolan. He was a seventh round pick, spent a year on IR, & played like a rookie (which he was) last year.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
No, whats laughable is that suddenly hes the man of the hour because he had 2 interceptions on Alex freaking Smith and Collin Kapernick.
Your not paying attention. He played in 16 games. You made a comment about 3 interceptions being good. Congadulations Troy you couldnt beat out Eugene Wilson or Bernard Pollard on a historically bad secondary last year and your not going to beat out Manning and Quin this year.
And Troy Nolan who was as much a part of the problem as anyone else.
Now i'm not arguing to cut the guy. Dont misunderstand me. But some of you guys want to crown him the next Ronnie Lott. In the infamous words of John Harris, "turn the film on bro!"
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Not really, he pulled 2 picks in the Raider game against Gradkowski, and then he got one against the Trent Edwards Jaguars. He played last year and there was really no discernible difference between him and Eugene Wilson. Yeah, Nolan could probably start for 1 or 2 teams this year because 1 team will have the worst secondary unit in the league and he might (could? possibly? maybe?) be a starter for them.
If I remember right, he started in the Giants game and that was one of Eli's best games last season, so don't get upset if not too many people share the sentiment cause he got two picks off of some bad QB's (again).
Fair enough, but I am ok giving people a pass on last year, since we had a cardboard cut out of a defensive coordinator instead of an actual DC. Nolan has a nose for the football, and seems to be a playmaker. I like the idea of him coming in on nickle or dime packages and having GQ play nickle.
If I had to venture a guess, Frank Bush may be one of the worst DC's I have ever seen on an NFL team. It was the biggest joke of a scheme I have ever seen in all my years of football.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yep, he sucks... But hey, let's judge the guy after being surrounded by absolute crap players and crap coaching during his first season playing in the NFL :kubepalm:
Are we talking about Nolan or Kareem?
Carr Bombed
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Are we talking about Nolan or Kareem?
Kareem was one of the crap players surrounding Nolan. Sorry, but I'm not even going to try to defend a player who can't even run and stay upright at the same time.
Lemme see...... that crap player will be starting in 2011.
Another of those crap players is being converted to start ahead of Troy Nolan
And a third guy was signed during the off season to play in front of Troy Nolan....
hmm...
Do you discount everyone's INT's against subpar QB's or just Nolan's?
Nolan was a 7th round pick.
If he is ever a starter he will have to be exceptional whereas earlier draft picks tend to be given more opportunity to succeed.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
We should really give KJ some gum and see what happens.
...or maybe one of those tacos like Shaq eats...
Maybe he'll stay upright.
Carr Bombed
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Nope...because that is funny as hell, because it's true. What actually got old was how many times I had to watch him fall down on the field. Yeah that got REAL OLD, I definitely got tired of watching that.
Carr Bombed
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You're joking right? ....and despite all of what you typed above, Troy Nolan still has worked his way on to the field. So how exactly does the above help your argument?
hmm...
foo82
Waterboy
Nope...because that is funny as hell, because it's true. What actually got old was how many times I had to watch him fall down on the field. Yeah that got REAL OLD, I definitely got tired of watching that.
Except I saw Allen fall down quite a bit as well. Only difference was there was a featured soundbite on 610. It's funny when some person of some authority points something else and every sheep just blindly follows. He sucked badly in the first half of the season and improved in the second half.
Still, it stuck and now everyone "remembers" seeing KJ fall down all the time, even though 80% of what they remember occured in the first four weeks.
76Texan, is that you???
I dont remember Kareem falling down any more than any other football player.
But as far as his improvement in the second half of the season, I think a lot of that had to do with the fact that he had his role reduced.
badboy
Hall of Fame
New season with much better coaches. If we can take a 7th and make him productive let's give him a break. If I can be patient with a #1 (TJ, KJ, Okoye, David Carr) I can be patient with a safety who got INTs and I really don't care how he gets 'em. I am more concrned over why Harris is evidently not doing enough to start at nickle.
Good question. Nolan is producing well enough to keep a 2nd round pick off the field.
& Just for the record, I've got nothing against Nolan at all. I support all our Texans & I like to think I support them all equally. If we're going to cut Nolan some slack because of the coaching staff & the quality of the players around him, why not afford Kareem the same?
I'd have loved to see Nolan play more last season, the safeties & the strategy used to deploy those safeties was a big part of what was wrong with our secondary.
Only play I remember an epic fail of a fall down was against Roy Williams.
Other than that, I don't remember him falling more than any our other db's.
When I heard the 610 thing I thought it was funny, but I never really got the whole Kareem Jackson fell again thing.
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see that. Out of all the bad plays he had last year I didn't think him falling down was a major issue. Jmo.
Carr Bombed
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LMAO....umm I don't listen to 610 :kubepalm:
So no, I'm not some blind sheep. I respond on what "I see" (hence why I started this thread after watching Nolan), which is why I don't give any credence to what you type, because it certainly doesn't support anything I saw last season.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Don't get the fascination with nolan. He didn't lok good last year except for 1 game. If he were this guy, he would be on the field a lot more.
He looked better than Pollard and Wilson, and he was basically a rookie. He's a guy who can tackle and has a nose for the ball. It's something you don't always see on the Texans.
Yes & no.
In coverage (pretty important for a safety) he looked as good if not better than Pollard & Wilson. But as far as tackling.... being the last line of defense, this is where people are talking about him taking bad angles. Pollard & Wilson were both better than Nolan in this aspect of the Safety's game.
I'D rather have the safety that can cover and doesn't release guys to the imaginary next level than the two guys who basically did nothing. Pollard talked way more than his game actually produced and Wilson was awful in all facets of the game. Plus Nolan seems to be there when a ball takes a funky bounce and I'm willing to see what we has there.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Nope...because that is funny as hell, because it's true. What actually got old was how many times I had to watch him fall down on the field. Yeah that got REAL OLD, I definitely got tired of watching that.
I've already shown in the following thread that Allen fell down more times than Jackson. Bigbull17, you probably quit reading the thread in the middle.
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83858&highlight=Allen%27s+plays
These were from the time Allen was with the Dolphins early last year (5 games plus one half plus one half) and do not include the bad plays and the falling down during Allen's time with the Texans last year.
And Bigbull, I think you remember incorrectly.
My notes do not show that Jackson fell down against the Jets.
(And I have gone through the play by play several times; I even had a thread analyzing that game a few months ago.)
Also, Allen fell down 3 times this PS (twice in coverage and once during ST play) and Jackson none.
Yes DocBar, I'm here and as much as I hate to come back to this point, I just can't leave it alone.
Allen fell down many more times than Jackson last year and sucked worse than Jackson last year.
Deal with it!
Heck, if you like humour, I can even show you Jason doing an Allencopter... Real pretty I tell ya'