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Kareem Jackson CB Alabama - 1st round pick
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The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I like the pick.
I was pretty surprised we didn't get Kyle Wilson but obviously, Smithiak had Kareem rated higher. I've heard a lot more about Wilson than about Jackson but Jackson has been rising up mocker's draft boards recently. We'll see how that all works out. I was surprised to see KW as the 4th corner off the board. And I really didn't expect the Jets to go after a corner.
Although I wanted Mathews, I was pretty sure the Chargers were going to move in front of us to get him. Now... we need to get our RB tomorrow night.
I was pretty surprised we didn't get Kyle Wilson but obviously, Smithiak had Kareem rated higher. I've heard a lot more about Wilson than about Jackson but Jackson has been rising up mocker's draft boards recently. We'll see how that all works out. I was surprised to see KW as the 4th corner off the board. And I really didn't expect the Jets to go after a corner.
Although I wanted Mathews, I was pretty sure the Chargers were going to move in front of us to get him. Now... we need to get our RB tomorrow night.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
It's sort of hard for anyone to bash this pick knowing the Texans desperately had to get a CB.
I sort of wanted Kyle Wilson a little bit more, but the more and more I read about this guy I'm good either way.
What stands out to me are things like how he stays in the film room a lot, gave his results to Saban and didn't open them until after the NC, and the fact that he played under a coach that requires his players to have a ton of discipline. This guy sounds like a hard working guy who stays focused and that's what the Texans will need right away. We needed a CB and he just may have been the best one there. Only time will tell though.
I'd like to get a safety, a RB, and some more O lineman as well.
I sort of wanted Kyle Wilson a little bit more, but the more and more I read about this guy I'm good either way.
What stands out to me are things like how he stays in the film room a lot, gave his results to Saban and didn't open them until after the NC, and the fact that he played under a coach that requires his players to have a ton of discipline. This guy sounds like a hard working guy who stays focused and that's what the Texans will need right away. We needed a CB and he just may have been the best one there. Only time will tell though.
I'd like to get a safety, a RB, and some more O lineman as well.
I had Mathews in rd 1 and Jackson in rd 2.
Jackson is more of a week 1 ready to play CB tan any CB in this draft.
With that said now the value rds are coming. Give me Asamoah in rd 2 and either Gerhart or Hardesty in Rd 3 and Smithiak have had a great 2 days.
Jackson is'nt a sexy pick but he's an upgrade over Dunta. IMHO
Jackson is more of a week 1 ready to play CB tan any CB in this draft.
With that said now the value rds are coming. Give me Asamoah in rd 2 and either Gerhart or Hardesty in Rd 3 and Smithiak have had a great 2 days.
Jackson is'nt a sexy pick but he's an upgrade over Dunta. IMHO
stevn8r
Zombie
When the pick came through I was like, who? Then I started youtubing and NFL networking, and espning, and I was like, wow... Ing
his interviews show him as kindof a cocky guy(which is good) highlights show a good press cover( also good) good hitter/tackler( which we need) hopefully nasty!!!(time will tell)
I hope he shuts down dez on sept. 26th at noon!
Color me suprised but pleased.
his interviews show him as kindof a cocky guy(which is good) highlights show a good press cover( also good) good hitter/tackler( which we need) hopefully nasty!!!(time will tell)
I hope he shuts down dez on sept. 26th at noon!
Color me suprised but pleased.
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6115
(on what he brings to the Houston Texans defensive backfield) "I'm going to be real feisty out there. I'm going to be real physical. Receivers are going to know I'm there. I'm going to do whatever it takes to make plays out there."
This kid is saying all the right things. At first blush, it looks like the Texans have scored. I hope this includes turning his head to find the ball!!! Maybe he can teach that to some of our other corners. LOL
(on what he brings to the Houston Texans defensive backfield) "I'm going to be real feisty out there. I'm going to be real physical. Receivers are going to know I'm there. I'm going to do whatever it takes to make plays out there."
This kid is saying all the right things. At first blush, it looks like the Texans have scored. I hope this includes turning his head to find the ball!!! Maybe he can teach that to some of our other corners. LOL
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
I like the pick. Kareem was the best CB on 'Bama for the past 2 years. Arenas got all they hype because he could return kicks. The media loves that kind of junk.
I had Haden as the #1 pure man cover CB in this class and Jackson as #2. Wilson is more of a zone type guy although he is a good man CB too. I think, for our defense, that Jackson was the best pick. Our board was torn apart during the previous 10 picks so we had to reach a little to get our guy but I'm happy with Jackson.
One thing you can count on with Nick Saban coached players is that they will be ready to play as rookies. He can step in day 1 and make an impact.
This really helps our defense.
I had Haden as the #1 pure man cover CB in this class and Jackson as #2. Wilson is more of a zone type guy although he is a good man CB too. I think, for our defense, that Jackson was the best pick. Our board was torn apart during the previous 10 picks so we had to reach a little to get our guy but I'm happy with Jackson.
One thing you can count on with Nick Saban coached players is that they will be ready to play as rookies. He can step in day 1 and make an impact.
This really helps our defense.
houstonspartan
All Pro
LOL!!! That was exactly my reaction and what I did after I heard his name. Then, my cell started ringing from other Texans fans.
Look, I hate Nick Saban. I think he's the most worthless human being on the face of the earth and a man with no integrity. But, his guys usually come ready to roll. If I had to guess, the fact that this guy was well coached was a big factor.
corytx8
Rookie
I clearly do not think this pick was a reach. I think this pick is a very solid pick and its going to pay off for us in the long run I believe. I'm actually excited about it. If he can turn into a shutdown corner that we are looking for, our defense is going to be that much better.
phantom17
Rookie
I like the pick@20! He's a tough, SMART, & talented kid from Bama, a powerhouse football program which uses a pro style, complex D coach by Nick Saban! What more can you want? Anyway ET & Pouncy (who was pounced on earlier by another team) were gone. Also, I wasn't too excited with K. Wilson! Now, gots to get that RB & DT on day 2!
ChemicalPete
Practice Squad
As one of the foreign Texans fans, I can say, that the danish draft experts didn't expect us to take this guy either. Personally Im thrilled that we went for a DB rather than just trying to outscore the opponents.
Its time we started preventing the opponent from scoring. Like all of you said the difference in those 3 CB(possibly even all 4 including Hayden) isn't that great. so yes we could've probably traded down, but clearly Rick and Gary had a preference and went with him.
I've long ago come to the realisation that I'm not as good at picking these guys as they are....I remember going to bed angry because the Texans had selected a nobody Linebacker from Alabama in the second round a few years back, when I wanted to strengthen our O-line with Eric Winston or Charles Spencer :-D
Funny how these things work out sometimes :-D
Its time we started preventing the opponent from scoring. Like all of you said the difference in those 3 CB(possibly even all 4 including Hayden) isn't that great. so yes we could've probably traded down, but clearly Rick and Gary had a preference and went with him.
I've long ago come to the realisation that I'm not as good at picking these guys as they are....I remember going to bed angry because the Texans had selected a nobody Linebacker from Alabama in the second round a few years back, when I wanted to strengthen our O-line with Eric Winston or Charles Spencer :-D
Funny how these things work out sometimes :-D
It's easy to say that, but a lot harder to find a trading partner and get the value that you need to make the trade down worthwhile. It takes two to tango. Smithiak has shown that they will trade down, but it has to be worth their while.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Agreed. At a time when everyone else was aggressive and picking plums off the board. smith held his ground and passed up prime rib for.....chopped liver. So is Sabin gong to pick up the contract when the kid busts out ? Everyone got better today within the division except the Texans. We got safer.
Count me as one guy who is totally happy with the pick and he's all I could have asked for with our first-round. Why ?
I didn't want to go running-back with our first round pick and with the Chargers making their bold move/trade for Mathews (they sure wanted him,
I'm looking forward to seeing what they gave for him ?), we knew the RB
option in the first was off the table for us. And everyone knew Haden would be gone, which left us with all the other CBs to choose from at 20. I favored
Wilson, but much of that has to do with him being very impressive at the senior-bowl, something that our guy wasn't eligible to play in because he's an underclassmen. But the Texans know far more about assessing skill-sets and
value for CBs than I ever will know, so we got our CB because the Texans got "the pick of the litter".
I didn't want to go running-back with our first round pick and with the Chargers making their bold move/trade for Mathews (they sure wanted him,
I'm looking forward to seeing what they gave for him ?), we knew the RB
option in the first was off the table for us. And everyone knew Haden would be gone, which left us with all the other CBs to choose from at 20. I favored
Wilson, but much of that has to do with him being very impressive at the senior-bowl, something that our guy wasn't eligible to play in because he's an underclassmen. But the Texans know far more about assessing skill-sets and
value for CBs than I ever will know, so we got our CB because the Texans got "the pick of the litter".
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
Wow Pete I had no idea you had such great insight. I think I am going to wait til he plays just like I do every year before I make a statement like that. Why is this kid going to bust out again? Since he wasn't the guy you wanted he is an instant bust huh? Whatever Pete. Its ok if you don't like the pick but come on man.
Picking Jackson over Wilson makes perfect sense if you follow the Texans:
1) Kubiak is in a make or break year. He doesn't have time to wait for a guy with a higher ceiling, he needs a pro ready cornerback RIGHT NOW
2) Wilson was inconsistent during the season, but spectacular at times. When you play in the AFC South you can't be inconsistent. Peyton would take advantage every single time.
3) Wilson is a bump and run, active hands type of corner who stays shallow in coverage. This isn't the type of game the Texans play. Our corners work at staying behind the receivers and making breaks that way. This isn't Wilson's strength
Jackson seems like the obvious choice
1) Kubiak is in a make or break year. He doesn't have time to wait for a guy with a higher ceiling, he needs a pro ready cornerback RIGHT NOW
2) Wilson was inconsistent during the season, but spectacular at times. When you play in the AFC South you can't be inconsistent. Peyton would take advantage every single time.
3) Wilson is a bump and run, active hands type of corner who stays shallow in coverage. This isn't the type of game the Texans play. Our corners work at staying behind the receivers and making breaks that way. This isn't Wilson's strength
Jackson seems like the obvious choice
Thats his thing. Im sure he hated the cushing pick as well
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Let's keep it to the player, team and draft - not the member.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
TexanBacker93
Veteran
I heard from a reliable source that Seattle offered us the pick they used to take Thomas and their 1st round pick next season for our #20, Kris Brown, and Gary's landscaper's phone number. If it had been to draft an A&M kid I'm sure they would have pulled the trigger.
Yeah, last year they had targets and they were nabbed right in front of them, so they had their guy and took him. Can't fault a team for that. Im solid with it.
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
no he liked cushing actually so i dont really get this. cushing was also perceived to be a safe unspectular pick who had maxed out his potential and would be just a solid player. people are talking the exact same way about jackson which is why im liking it so far! the resemblance between how both picks are being perceived is uncanny. jackson is also an unspectacular pick who standout traits are his smarts, physicality & drive.
and just for a little perspective, have a look at people slamming last years draft
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60969&highlight=Cushing
Scooter
Funky
isnt that a bit of a contradiction? by going safe did we not take the most "bust proof" defensive back still on the board? if we're basing this draft on popular opinion, other db's such as wilson have a potentially higher ceiling, but as a "ready now" player kareem has the highest floor of all the options. funny that new england traded down (twice?) for a cornerback (not wilson) ... who wants to wager that they were targeting kareem?
aggressive would've been taylor mays. while i dont think he'll remotely bust, he could potentially be a horrid fit for many teams - including the texans. that's a risk i'd love to take, but with a glaring need at both corner and free safety (berry and thomas off the board), i'm content with the guy who we're most comfortable with starting once the contract is signed.
i liken this pick to jordan shipley who i'm also hoping we find a way to draft. randy moss he aint, but he's pro ready and will start day 1 ... being a pro from anywhere between wes welker and anquan boldin. in both kareem and shipley, you know who you're getting but like everyone we dont know how much they'll grow. you know they have experience in the top programs against top competition and show up in the biggest games. there are no health concerns, no legal problems, no questions about determination or discipline, and no worries from who they were coached by. "safe" is a guy we're content to line up against reggie wayne ... (before ever playing a down) maybe he's not champ bailey, maybe he's not going into the hall of fame, but the texans see this guy covering the other team's #1. that's a safe pick.
V3rm0nt3r
Rookie
I just watched Bush's interview on HT.com and heard a lot of your first reason in there. Bush basically said that Wilson might have more potential but it's gonna be a lot easier to get Jackson on the field and ready come week 1 or even training camp.
He also has a lot of confidence in this kid. when they asked what 1 concern he had about Jackson's development he told them that his only concern was if he (Bush) would do a good enough job teaching him the system and followed it up by saying that they really don't have any concerns surrounding the kids play at all.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Had not seen this before but was my eval also. Wilson fit my goal of a CB that could run down the field and break up a pass. Jackson does not. He was drafted by Texans due to their philosphy of wanting a CB to be effective with 15 yards of scrimmage and to help tackle TEs, slots and RBs. I think it would be nice to have a cover CB. Jackson may prove to be one but I've seen nothing to indicate that by watching him play. He does have stiff hips and I don't think he has closing speed when he guesses wrong. His strengths indicates he "mirrors" the WR but I see a lot of interference calls in his future against NFL WRs. I will feel a lot better about this pick if we strengthen our FS to help protect Jackson.
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
how much value are the texans going to really add with a safety that cant cover or a project 3rd LB when we play quite a bit of nickel. imo go rb (eventhough not a huge fan of any of the guys left bar maybe tate) or get a lineman
BigTimeTexanFan
Rookie
The last couple of years the Texans have shown the ability to evaluate DB's. Getting Quinn and McCain in the later rounds last year and picking Pollard of the streets shows that they know what they like in a DB and they are pretty good at picking players that have it. We're not the only team that passed on Wilson. I'm intrigued with this pick.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Kareem Jackson & Nick Saban Quotes on Jackson Being Drafted by Houston
http://capstonereport.com/2010/04/22/saban-jackson-mcclain-speak-about-nfl-draft/5945/
http://capstonereport.com/2010/04/22/saban-jackson-mcclain-speak-about-nfl-draft/5945/
I agree, I was just asking what people think I would take a RB, unless there is a run and all of them are reaches. Then, you look at value and BPA.
TexCanada
All Pro
To be fair, you were going to **** on this pick no matter what if it wasn't an O-lineman
Scooter
Funky
what sells me on mays more than anything is his value in the division. additional run support against jacksonville as interchangable safety across from pollard. incomperable athleticism in our secondary against the titans and their options of vince young and chris johnson. and either in a deep 1 or 3, or dallas clark cover against the colts.
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
so.......
the jags take a 3 tech rated in the late 1st at best in the top 10
the titans fill a need & take a productive if supposedly unspectacular DE to replace the departed KVB
the texans fill a need & take a productive if supposedly unspectacular CB to replace the departed Dunta Robinson
the colts take a DE that means either freeney or mathis will be coming off the field if he is to play
yet everybody bar the texans improved. it makes so little sense my head hurts...
and btw the titans and jags have no 2nd rd picks today. we're in good shape so far imo
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I dig this pick! Admittedly, up until last week I had not done much homework on Jackson. From the sample I did get to read up on and from what Bush stated, the dude ain't scared to knock the piss outta someone. I think it's pretty obvious what direction Bush is trying to get his defense going.
Cush, Quin and now Jackson.......Bush wants a defense that'll punch you in da mowf! And, I love it!
Cush, Quin and now Jackson.......Bush wants a defense that'll punch you in da mowf! And, I love it!
Yankee_In_TX
Dance Lindsay!
MojoMan
Hall of Fame
The Texans two most prominent needs going into this draft were CB and RB. While I would have been happy if we picked an RB, talented cornerbacks are much harder to come by, and are much more likely to be gone by the end of the first round than the RB's. Unfortunately, this was not a great year for first round RB's. But fortunately the Texans have picks in the second and third rounds that they can use to select a talented RB.
So I am happy with the Kareem Jackson pick. Like many others around here, I have been following the draft boards, and am well familiar with the names Haden and Wilson. Apparently, Smith and Kubiak were not following these draft boards, and used a different methodology to grade players and make draft decisions for the Houston Texans team. Frankly, I am glad that is the case.
Kareem Jackson was not a reach, and appears to be a very good pick at the #20 position in the draft. He appears to be very talented and almost a sure thing as far as actually being able to make it out on the field on Sundays. Drafting for "potential" is like playing the stock market. It can be a home run, or it can be a bust or anywhere in between (remember Jason Babin, Tony Hollings, etc.). If Kyle Wilson turns out to be a mediocre performer, his "potential" will compensate for his performance out on the field exactly zero.
So I am happy with the Kareem Jackson pick. Like many others around here, I have been following the draft boards, and am well familiar with the names Haden and Wilson. Apparently, Smith and Kubiak were not following these draft boards, and used a different methodology to grade players and make draft decisions for the Houston Texans team. Frankly, I am glad that is the case.
Kareem Jackson was not a reach, and appears to be a very good pick at the #20 position in the draft. He appears to be very talented and almost a sure thing as far as actually being able to make it out on the field on Sundays. Drafting for "potential" is like playing the stock market. It can be a home run, or it can be a bust or anywhere in between (remember Jason Babin, Tony Hollings, etc.). If Kyle Wilson turns out to be a mediocre performer, his "potential" will compensate for his performance out on the field exactly zero.
Blake
MMQB
Agree 100%. TTP can spin it anyway he wants, but we got a corner with good size and speed from Bama to replace Dunta. So I am happy with the pick. Most people were more familiary with Wilson and McCourtey, but once they research Kareem and get to know him they will come around. Just be glad we took a corner and not Tyson Alualu. rofl
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Well as for our picks today . . .
I expect us to come out of the day with a RB although I'm not sure if it will be in the 2nd. I'm actually more inclined to think it's the 3rd. I think we might just go BPA in the 2nd and RB in the 3rd. If Nate Allen is still available in the 2nd I would jump at the opportunity.
I expect us to come out of the day with a RB although I'm not sure if it will be in the 2nd. I'm actually more inclined to think it's the 3rd. I think we might just go BPA in the 2nd and RB in the 3rd. If Nate Allen is still available in the 2nd I would jump at the opportunity.
GP
Go Texans!
This first round was phenomenal for almost every team.
Except for the Jags and Broncos, I think each team got what they needed.
With each pick that was made, I kept thinking that it was a good pick by that particular team. I think this year's first round is going to go down in history as perhaps THE most productive first round in history. I don't see but maybe 3 or 4 guys out of the round that might not really translate into good NFL players.
And you know what? I like the new format so far. It was fun to watch the draft at night, then have work all day today to think about what happened last night (makes the day go by faster, IMO), watch the draft AGAIN tonight, then finish it up on Saturday. With the old format, it felt like a marathon on the weekend and I just could never get into it--My wife and my daughters are not so keen on this guy sitting on a couch for two straight days when we could be outside or doing other things as a family.
Except for the Jags and Broncos, I think each team got what they needed.
With each pick that was made, I kept thinking that it was a good pick by that particular team. I think this year's first round is going to go down in history as perhaps THE most productive first round in history. I don't see but maybe 3 or 4 guys out of the round that might not really translate into good NFL players.
And you know what? I like the new format so far. It was fun to watch the draft at night, then have work all day today to think about what happened last night (makes the day go by faster, IMO), watch the draft AGAIN tonight, then finish it up on Saturday. With the old format, it felt like a marathon on the weekend and I just could never get into it--My wife and my daughters are not so keen on this guy sitting on a couch for two straight days when we could be outside or doing other things as a family.
bckey
All Pro
I'm fine with the Texans pick of Kareem Jackson. I think that they believe they are close enough to being a playoff team that a few impact now players can put them there. Having said that, I do believe that the Texans were targeting Ryan Mathews with their 1st round pick. I think San Diego stunned both the Seahawks and Texans when they jumped ahead of both and got the player that they coveted. If you listen to the comments by Frank Bush he makes it sound like they were looking at running back and then regrouped and went defense. And Jackson does seem to be someone Bush can throw on the field day 1 because of the coaching he received at Alabama, the caliber of opposition Jackson faced on a weekly basis, and the complexity of Alabama's defensive scheme. It doesn't hurt either that Jackson likes to study film. Round 2 and 3 should be very interesting. Hopefully the Texans come away with 2 out of 3 of dt, rb, fs.
Check out this quote from Frank Bush
(on if they were set on a defensive player as the time got close) "We were set on defense. Of course you know there's two sides to the board as you look at the draft board and the offense had their guys that they really wanted and we had the guys that we wanted and as the things start to shake out, you know some things happened that we didn't forsee and then we had an opportunity to basically go back in and discuss the defensive players and this was a guy that we really wanted. He was a guy that we had really high on our draft board as far as defense is concerned and so that gave us an opportunity to go get him. We had a need in a lot of different positions as you guys understand and we were looking at running back but we also had a need at corner. We felt like this was a player that we had to go get."
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6114