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Preseason game 2:New Orleans @ Houston
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m5kwatts
Veteran
It seems like defenses have won out here after one week of preseason around the NFL...lotta low scoring games but this one will be anything but that. I expect us to absolutely toy with the Saints defense - first, second and third teams. I can see 500 total yards and a 30+points easily.
The big test will be for our defense, NO aint KC.
The big test will be for our defense, NO aint KC.
brakos82
Yaters Gonna Yate.
As in... the Saints are actually worth a damn?
m5kwatts
Veteran
Haha to say the least
You're kiddin' right?
The Saints had the numero uno offense in the league last year, mostly on the strength of Drew Brees' arm. The only guy they lost was Deuce McAllister.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Awesome comment from "jlangkam"
I don't normally get into the Mario/Reggie thing anymore because it's really, really, really played out and besides it's a lot more fun to pick on Vince since he went to a division opponent. Still I know that I want my team looking for decoys at the top of round one in the draft. Can someone who truly follows the Saints fill me in on even one game that Reggie "dominated"? I genuinely don't recall hearing about it. On more than one occasion I've seen the sports media take a fairly garden variety performance of his and act like he dominated the game but I've never once heard tell of him taking over a game and making the defense his *****. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, I just don't recall hearing about it or seeing it.
Still comments like this remind me that the three way can of worms that was the top of round one in 2006 and the fallout that followed is played out in three cities (well, at least two), not just ours.
jlangkam said:
I don't normally get into the Mario/Reggie thing anymore because it's really, really, really played out and besides it's a lot more fun to pick on Vince since he went to a division opponent. Still I know that I want my team looking for decoys at the top of round one in the draft. Can someone who truly follows the Saints fill me in on even one game that Reggie "dominated"? I genuinely don't recall hearing about it. On more than one occasion I've seen the sports media take a fairly garden variety performance of his and act like he dominated the game but I've never once heard tell of him taking over a game and making the defense his *****. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, I just don't recall hearing about it or seeing it.
Still comments like this remind me that the three way can of worms that was the top of round one in 2006 and the fallout that followed is played out in three cities (well, at least two), not just ours.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
As far as I know Reggie Bush is the first guy to get picked in the top 5 and get outplayed by the guy picked in the 7th round of the same draft class.
The closest I've heard of RB "dominating" a game was a couple in which he had some good punt returns and decent receiving yards. IMO, the guy could be a game changer if they utilized him better, ala Michael Westbrook. Heas has NEVER made an NFL defense his ***** or anything else. I can't imagine what an offensive guy like Payton is thinking by not finding ways to get RB the ball in the open field.
buddyboy
Rookie
Later on that same guy complains more about how Reggie has been "under the microscope" and that's why the critics hate him so much. For me, I think that Mario has been under MORE scrutiny than Reggie. He's had to battle through the instantaneous belief that he was going to be the biggest mistake in football history. Critics would have LOVED for Mario to tank and prove them all right, and it took two 10+ sack seasons to change their minds.
He also talks about the impact of Reggie as a decoy being greater than the impact of Mario. No way. I guarantee that offenses account for Mario with either a chip block from a RB, an extra TE blocker, sending the RB to the other side. And even when Mario doesn't register a tackle, sack, or TFL, he impacts games by causing pressure and drawing blockers.
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barrett
All Pro
if i'm not mistaken his yards from scrimmage are pretty good.
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whiskeyrbl
Guest
Don't know about RB making a defense his ***** but it made me think of this. It still brings an smile to my face when I see it.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdQUiZ6ioKw&feature=related
You're mistaken.
1550 rushing yds.
1599 receiving yds.
20 TD's
12 fumbles
All in just 3 short yrs.
Not exactly awe inspiring numbers.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=9588
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Reggie "Bust" Bush
End of story.
Sorry for New Orleans, because I have nothing against them. I would wish the Saints better luck than to get stuck with Bush, I really would. But it's unfortunate they have Bush who will never amount to as much in the NFL as our 3rd round pick Slaton will.
End of story.
Sorry for New Orleans, because I have nothing against them. I would wish the Saints better luck than to get stuck with Bush, I really would. But it's unfortunate they have Bush who will never amount to as much in the NFL as our 3rd round pick Slaton will.
TimeKiller
Guest
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dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
The Bush-obsessed media threw a party at the end of '06 because Bush broke the record for rookie "all-purpose yards", which includes kickoff and punt returning, as well as yards from scrimmage. What is funny about that is that MJ Drew shattered that same record that same season as a rookie and nobody even mentioned it.
jlam
Waterboy
Ok well now we're getting into revisionist history. Jones-Drew got ass-loads of praise and credit for breaking that record and most people thought he should have been rookie of the year, which I and most rational Saints fans I know agreed with. He had the best year and was the better player (probably still is). Bush also has never returned a kickoff in his NFL career and really was only a part time punt returner his rookie season as he really wasn't all that good at it yet.
Not promoting anybody, just setting the facts straight.
Anywho, I'm really looking forward to hopefully going to the practice tomorrow morning. Should be a fun week. A poster earlier mentioned that he expected at least 30+ points and 500 total yards. I have a lot of respect for the potential that the Houston offense has, but I would be very dissappointed if that happened. We still have a lot of work to do on defense for sure, but signs are pointing toward our new D-Coord having us leave our old "read and react" defense behind and instead having us be the ones to dictate play. It'll be a defense that's more aggressive and swarming than the one you guys saw last preseason and in the '07 regular season (jesus that was awful). Not to mention we just cut Jason David (praise the lard) and Josh Bullocks has been gone for a while.
Not to say that we're going to be throwing out exotic schemes or anything, because that's not gonna happen. Just that the overall mentality should be less "cautious" than it used to be. "Bend but don't break" wasn't doing a lot of good when you give up the most 20+ and 40+ yard plays in the league. I think I might consider that "breaking".
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Having watched most of y'alls first game on replay I agree with you, unfortunately. They do seem a bit more agressive than in the past. That said, I have no doubt at all that our offense will move the ball with ease. Like always, it's what we do with it inside the 20 and not turning it over.
jlam
Waterboy
Right. More aggressive for sure, although whether or not that translates to "more effective", who knows? Still up in the air.
I definitely don't expect to shut you guys down, that would be pretty unreasonable. But I do hope to see us force a couple of turnovers and be able to get off the field in 3rd and long situations, both of which have been our achille's heel for several years now. I suspect we'll still get gashed for a big play here and there, but at least it feels as if there's some tangible reward associated with the risks we're likely to take.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Sounds very familiar! End the end, I think both our teams are very, very similar. We both have a potent offense coupled with a mediocre defense. We've both made a lot of moves on the defensive side of the ball during the offseason. I reckon it all comes down to which defense can buy into the newer scheme and be successful the quickest.
CTWade
Quack Attack
An interesting turn this thread has took, for I was browsing some Saints forums the other day seeking their opinion on Mario Williams after all these years. Apparently many if not most still believe Reggie Bush to be the superior pick. The reasoning, from what I understand, is that Bush enables their offense more than Mario Williams would have enabled their defense, and that Bush was integral for their playoff run, while we still have yet to have a winning season even with Mario.
And the VAST majority of New Orleans voted for Obama. Nuff said. LOL
False Start
On # 69
It's called drinking the hometeam koolade.
If we had Reggie, I'd be defending that pick too. And with Deuce and Pierre Thomas running effectively between the tackles they aren't desparate for him to carry the rushing load. And with Bush being quasi-effective part of the passing game and special teams he's not a complete waste of a uni. So if I were a Saints fan, I would try and make that argument.
Well above average as a punt returner. Serviceable, but below avg receiver. Serviceable, but below avg RB. If it wasn't for his punt returning skills, my guess is that he wouldn't be on the roster. Give him points for versatility. He's not a bust, just overdrafted. If he had been picked in R2 or R3, probably no one would complain.
WesmanTexanfan
SeNior Smack
I was a guest at practice this morning, besides it being one the coolest things I've gotten to do in a while, it was hot and packed with spectators. The whole U of H and Rice teams were there. There were 5 big fights too, I think shockey started 3 of them that punk, demeaco took him to the ground...
I watched the D most of the time and they looked good seein how we are missing Brian and Dunta. I got some cool pics I'll figure out how to post.
Go Texans
Ps oh and Reggie B got a little banged up, if your intrested
I watched the D most of the time and they looked good seein how we are missing Brian and Dunta. I got some cool pics I'll figure out how to post.
Go Texans
Ps oh and Reggie B got a little banged up, if your intrested
TimeKiller
Guest
Shockey is just mad that he hasn't mattered in 3 years...I hope he's smart enough to stay out of Meco's grill, 59 is still a little bit thicker than Shockey's head.
False Start
On # 69
We aint afraid of no Saints! 
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I know there was 2 on the defense's field. I heard 2 rumbles over on the offensive field, but maybe there were a couple smaller one's over there that I didn't hear.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
He doesn't need any. He's living off the debit card afforded him by all the baseless overhyped commercials he made.
Houston_Fanatic
Maximum
Lot of similarities between us and the Saints. The reason they made a playoff run and we haven't yet is Schaub can't stay on the field. And from the looks of our backups this morning, we won't this year either if Schaub can't stay healthy.
Even if Drew Brees were to go down, they have Mark Brunell as their #2. I watched that "old man" out there today.
He can still chuck it.
...wonder if they'd trade him to us for T.J. and Dan-O?
J/K
(unless they'd go for it...)
Sorry but the plain fact is, compared to Sage, Dan needs work.Yall are beginning to make me nervous with all this bad talk about DanO.
He doesn't absolutely suck but we're used to seeing Sage @ #2 and the offense didn't miss a beat. Dan just isn't at that level yet.
But then again, one must consider Sage has four years of experience over Dan. He SHOULD be better.
drewmar74
disgruntled
Sat next to Brunell on a plane out of Dulles when he was still with the skins. Really nice guy but I have to question his movie taste. He was watching "The Final Countdown" on a portable DVD player.
What - someone had already checked "Gymkata" out from Blockbuster?
That's not related to anything but it came to mind and I felt a deep obligation to share it with y'all.
Yall are beginning to make me nervous with all this bad talk about DanO.
I was talking about how an announcer praise DanO's ability in his read progression.
An example I just saw in the Vikings game give me even more confidence.
It was 2-6 at the Lions 17.
The Lions was in single back, 2-TE formation, 2 WRs split on each side.
It took DanO a little less than 3 secs to deliver the ball to R.Williams 7 yds beyond the first down marker (he would gain another 4 yds for a total of 17 on the play).
First, as he took the snap from center, DanO looked ahead toward the middle.
Then he darted left for Calvin Johnson.
He went back to the middle, then looked inside left.
Then he looked outside left where the TE had broken out to.
The TE was about 3 yds short of the marker, with a LB bearing down on him.
He had a slight chance for the first down.
DanO pumped, looked, locked in... and just as you thought he would go to the TE, he went back inside to the WR Williams.
17yd and a first down.
He didn't pull out a win, but the Vikings needed to kick a FG in the last minute to win that game 12-10.
Huh! I guess all teams drink their own kool-aid, because 90 to 95% of Saints fans would NOT trade Bush for Williams. Especially when the Saints are pretty deep at DE anyway. Kinda like how the Houston Chronicle seems to have a staff of homers and report NONE of the dominating things the Saints have done in the practices, like Michael Jenkins 70 yard INT yesterday and Tracy Porter's 90 yard one today.
When healthy, Bush has lived up to his billing mostly. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
As for a game he "dominated"? Couple of candidates could be the 49er game of '06, or the Vikings game of '08.
Why can't Texans fans just be happy with their guy instead of the constant need to bring up Reggie Bush?
On a side note, why did they get rid of the "Oilers"? That team had history and I LOVED the unis. The new "Texan" stuff is a bit corny.
Cheers!
Deuce isn't with the team anymore, Thomas seems to have injury problems, and exactly what billing are you referring to? I understand defending ones favorite teams picks, but that's just an outright falshood that Bush has lived up to anything remotely resembling his billing. You didn't drink the koolade, you made it.
ReliantTexan
Waterboy
Which is exactly why they're the ones drinking the koolaid, because 90 to 95% of the rest of NFL fans would trade Bush for Mario, without hesitation. Anyone who is not seeing through Black and gold glasses can see that a DPOY caliber defensive end is much more valuable than a middle of the road RB who you can find in practically every draft.
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Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Why can't we forget about Reggie Bush? Most of us already have. Slaton ran damn near as much in his first year as Bush did in three. As to the history of why we can't forget about Bush, well for a long time we had Bush shoved down our throats by the media and some of our own fans. It was as irratating as the frigging Cowboy fans in Houston, and we are still reacting to that.
On your little side note, we didn't "get rid" of the Oilers, the fat pig that owned them left town while we was still paying for his frigging improvements to the Astrodome.
Wolf
100% Texan
so I take it that this was about a replay of the 2007 picture I have stashed (can't remember if this was andy's picture or not from Texansbullpen
Wolf
100% Texan
right.. and media still brings it up from time to time
buddyboy
Rookie
so I take it that this was about a replay of the 2007 picture I have stashed (can't remember if this was andy's picture or not from Texansbullpen
Geez, those "Take it Away" shorts are so weird looking.
I think I saw Tracy Porter's pick. I'm fairly sure that was off of Alex Brink - the 3rd string QB who just got off the sofa and into camp on Monday. You want props?
Okay.
Yaay for T.P.
Seriously, I was talking to the Saints fans that were where I was sitting and we agreed both teams just need their respective defenses to step it up and we'd both be bound for the playoffs. Both offenses are ready - assuming the starting QBs stay healthy.
And the guys from the local rag are supposed to talk up the local team. You had reps from your local news. I would hope they talked up the Saints. That's just how it works.