YTF's Big Board 2.0

Discussion in 'College Football & the NFL Draft' started by YoungTexanFan, Apr 19, 2009.

  1. YoungTexanFan

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    This is my second Big Board of the year. I've made some moves from my first one as well as expanded this one. There will be some very noticable things that don't agree with the talking heads. I don't view every player like everyone else. This isn't a Texans board, this is just MY board, regardless of team or position.

    1. Aaron Curry OLB, Wake Forest
    2. Eugene Monroe OT, Virginia
    3. Andre Smith OT, Alabama
    4. Mark Sanchez QB, USC
    5. Michael Crabtree WR, Texas Tech
    6. Jason Smith OT, Baylor
    7. Malcolm Jenkins DB, Ohio State
    8. Matt Stafford QB, Georgia
    9. Rey Maualuga ILB, USC
    10. Knowshawn Moreno RB, Georgia
    11. Michael Oher OT, Ole Miss
    12. Brian Orakpo DE, Texas
    13. Brian Cushing OLB, USC
    14. Brandon Pettigrew TE, Oklahoma State
    15. Alphonso Smith CB, Wake Forest
    16. Hakeem Nicks WR, North Carolina
    17. Sean Smith DB, Utah
    18. Michael Johnson DE, Georgia Tech
    19. Chris Wells RB, Ohio State
    20. Alex Mack C, Cal
    21. Jeremy Maclin WR, Missouri
    22. Vontae Davis CB, Illinois
    23. Louis Delmas S, Western Michigan
    24. Aaron Maybin OLB, Penn State
    25. Donald Brown RB, Uconn
    26. Robert Ayers DE, Tennessee
    27. Kenny Britt WR, Rutgers
    28. Duke Robinson OG, Oklahoma
    29. Larry English OLB, Northern Illinois
    30. James Laurinaitis LB, Ohio State
    31. Percy Harvin WR, Florida
    32. Darius Butler CB, Uconn
    33. Max Unger OL, Oregon
    34. Darrius Heyward-Bey WR, Maryland
    35. LeSean McCoy RB, Pittsburgh
    36. Lawrence Sidbury DE, Richmond
    37. Clint Sintim OLB, Virginia
    38. Clay Matthews OLB, USC
    39. Jarron Gilbert DE, San Jose State
    40. William Beatty OT, Uconn
    41. Peria Jerry DT, Ole Miss
    42. Connor Barwin OLB, Cincinnati
    43. Tyson Jackson DE, LSU
    44. William Moore S, Missouri
    45. DJ Moore CB, Vanderbilt
    46. Everette Brown DE, Florida State
    47. Rashad Jennings RB, Liberty
    48. BJ Raji DT, Boston College
    49. Eben Britton OT, Arizona
    50. Eric Wood C, Louisville
    51. Patrick Chung S, Oregon
    52. Mike Mickens CB, Cincinnati
    53. Paul Kruger DE, Utah
    54. Michael Hamlin S, Clemson
    55. Rashad Johnson S, Alabama
    56. Andy Levitre OL, Oregon State
    57. Chase Coffman TE, Missouri
    58. James Casey TE/FB/LS/QB/WR/KR, Rice
    59. Darry Beckwith ILB, LSU
    60. Brian Robiskie WR, Ohio State
    61. Jarett Dillard WR, Rice
    62. Evander 'Ziggy' Hood DT, Missouri
    63. Cornelius Ingram TE, Florida
    64. Chip Vaughn S, Wake Forest
    65. Tyrone McKenzie LB, South Florida
    66. Bradley Fletcher CB, Iowa
    67. Mohamed Massaquoi WR, Georgia
    68. Andre Brown RB, North Carolina State
    69. Marcus Freeman OLB, Ohio State
    70. Shonn Greene RB, Iowa
    71. Jared Cook TE, South Carolina
    72. Ron Brace DT, Boston College
    73. Jamon Merideth OT, South Carolina
    74. Travis Beckum TE, Wisconsin
    75. Louis Murphy WR, Florida
    76. Juaquin Iglesias WR, Oklahoma
    77. Fili Moala DT, USC
    78. Roy Miller DT, Texas
    79. Jasper Brinkley ILB, South Carolina
    80. Javon Ringer RB, Michigan State
    81. Pat White QB/WR, West Virginia
    82. Antoine Caldwell C, Alabama
    83. Rhett Bomar QB, Sam Houston State
    84. Jason Phillips ILB, TCU
    85. Ricky Jean-Francois DT, LSU
    86. Josh Freeman QB, Kansas State
    87. Gerald Cadogen OT, Penn State
    88. Donald Washington CB, Ohio State
    89. Ramses Barden WR, Cal Poly
    90. Sen'Derrick Marks DT, Auburn
    91. Nic Harris S, Oklahoma
    92. Victor Harris CB, Virginia Tech
    93. Demetrius Byrd WR, LSU
    94. Zach Follet OLB, Cal
    95. Jonathan Luigs C, Arkansas
    96. Mitch King DL, Iowa
    97. Sherrod Martin DB, Troy
    98. Michael Goodson RB, Texas A&M
    99. Kraig Urbik OG, Wisconsin
    100. Austin Collie WR, BYU
     
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  2. YoungTexanFan

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    ...comments are welcomed and encouraged by the way...
     
  3. steelbtexan

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    Great list

    As always I appreciated the the thought put in the list.

    I have Smith & Rey Rey rated much lower

    I have Barwin, Beatty and Britton rated much higher.

    I Sidbury rated the same as you do.
     
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    I guess you don't like the DT's in this draft ?
     
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    well it's definatly different. haven't seen Freeman that low for example or orakpo for that matter.
     
  6. YoungTexanFan

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    Yeah. Haha. I've gone on record saying how weak this overall DT class is. I think BJ Raji is a terrible investment in the first round. I don't think he was that good enough on the field to be a first rounder, and I don't think he has much potential left to tap into with his body already filled in very well. I also don't think he "gets it" in any other aspect other than football. I have Raji rated right around where I had Allen Branch rated. Raji reminds me more of Gabe Watson than Allen Branch, but that isn't a good thing even considering how little I thought of Branch.

    With that said, next years DT class could be stacked. Austin is a top 10 player from just his first two years. Scary good. I like Cody as a NT, pretty similar to Haloti Nagata. McCoy is a good looking UT from OU as well. It's still early, but I expect Austin to have an amazing year.
     
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    I have gone on record multiple times saying how bad of a QB Josh Freeman is and will be. He never once led his team to a bowl game. He was KU's MVP in our game against KSU. I also plain do not like the guy, so I may have a bias to an extent against him. I have just seen too much of Freeman the past 2 years to believe he will be a good QB. He has no mental capacity and is very inaccurate even with all of his potential physical skills.
     
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    As I've said before: Freeman will get drafted high because he is big and can throw far, not because he can play Quarterback.
     
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    Which Smith?
    I think Andre Smith is a top 5 talent. I don't know if that will translate to the field with everything else about him, but he is the most talented OT in the class strictly on the field.

    I think that if Alphonso Smith were 2 inches higher he would be top 10 overall. I'm not a huge fan of Butler and I'm not sure why he is being talked about at 15. Butler is a generous 5'10, meaning he's got about an inch on Alphonso, but nothing else to speak of on him.

    I think Britton is going to take a few years to develop into an NFL caliber player, and those few years are really dependent on who drafts him. If he goes to a team like our Texans or the Bengals, he has no hope of reaching his potential. If he lands on a team like the Giants or Eagles, his chances of developing to his potential are much greater.
     
  10. YoungTexanFan

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    I'm aware of that. This isn't a mock draft. This is my view on him, and my view of him is terrible. I would draft Nate Davis in the 4th before I drafted Freeman in the 4th.
     
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    I am surprised you have Sanchez rated better then Stafford. I think Stafford is a better overall QB who has been battle tested in the SEC. I think Sanchez will have a similar fate to Matt Leinart.

    I am also curious as to why you have Andre Smith rated as the best OT despite his terrible combine and lack luster pro day results. Do you think his game day film cancels that all out?

    Casey remains an enigma that i have problems with projecting a full time position to, but I have a feeling that New England would be the best fit for him.

    Has Ayers really jumped that much up people's boards?
     
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    Freeman = Russell
     
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    I'm aware of that. I was actually agreeing with you...
     
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    Sanchez seems too high. But I'm just not high on this year's QB class.

    That's right about where I have Jenkins ranked. I'm laughing at anybody who thinks he will drop far because of his combine.

    I think Maualuga is too high. I just don't think he can make it in the NFL unless he changes his style of play.

    I think Orakpo is low but you seem to have all the tweeners ranked lower than the norm.

    I'm not that high on Ayers. I like him, but I just don't see a first round player there.

    That's the highest I've seen Sidbury.

    You have stated your case on Matthews before so I'm not gonna go into that one. Some folks just differ on some players.

    You have Tyson Jackson pretty low. I believe he was also low in your last one though.

    I don't think Raji is an elite prospect but I still think he is a mid first round guy.

    You have Ingram pretty high. Has he ever had to block? Can he?

    I haven't seen Donald Washington that high anywhere. He's alright but Texas abused him in the Fiesta Bowl.
     
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    I think Sanchez is more athletic and more accurate, but the difference isn't that much. It's just a preference to be honest.

    Andre Smith is the best OT simply based on his on-field performance. If he goes to the Bengals as has been projected, he is in trouble. He needs a hard-nosed coach, but he is more talented than any OT in the draft, and the only guy that could potentially push him IMO is Monroe.
     
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    Russell was a winner though.
     
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    Love the feedback by the way from everyone.

    I think Maualuga was the LB that made that unit. I think Clay Matthews on any other team doesn't get a sniff at the first day. He gets put on that unit, and he gets noticed. Maualuga made the entire unit better, not the other way around IMO.

    Tyson Jackson just didn't produce. He doesn't bring much to the DE spot for most teams. He is a more "in-shape" Marcus Spears. Pretty good if you need him for that one role, but not worth much at all if you don't. I don't care for him in general, so he is low.

    I think Ingram can block, but he hasn't really shown much on film. He doesn't really need to in that offense. He has a good frame, but he is ranked highly because he is just like another WR. Great offensive weapon.
     
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    Interesting positioning.

    I agree that Monroe is the best OT in this class.
    I haven't dropped A.Smith's grade either. Most draftniks randomly drop a guys grade just because his stock goes down.
    Sanchez really shouldn't be that high. He was surrounded by talent in a system that spits out overrated QBs every year.
    Rey Rey could be that high for some teams, but for others he's not a first rounder. Depends on what they ask him to do.
    Personally I would flip Moreno and Wells.
    Cushing seems high at 13.
    I agree with the Phonz in the mid teen range; I have him at 18. People watch him play then mark off for being 5'9. They seem to forget that he played that well at 5'9 and isn't suddenly going to shrink when he goes to the NFL.
    Sean Smith seems really high. He's got a lot of talent but is really inconsistent and needs work before he can sniff his full potential.
    Agree on Michael Johnson. He's a freak of nature and has shown he can get it done when motivated.
    I'm really down on Vontae Davis. I don't care how athletic you are if you're not good in coverage, and don't want to work hard to get better.
    Agree on the range you have Clay "Jesus" Matthews. The guy is way over hyped on this forum.
    Rashad Jennings is a 3rd-4th rounder IMO. He doesn't run as hard as a 230 pounder should. Reminds me too much of former Texan J.Wells.
    Everette Brown at 46? I think he's a top 20 pick as a 3-4 OLB, but probably in your range as a DE.
    I don't agree on Raji at all.
    I don't like Pat Chung. Dude is just not good in coverage. I'd rather draft a linebacker and play them in the same role that he would be effective at.
    I have Rashad Johnson rated at #30. He has great instincts, great hands, great range, great leadership, very smart, and is solid everywhere else.

    Anyways. That's enough nitpicking.
     
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    What has Russell won?

    The QB before Russell Won a nat. championship (Matt Mauck). The QB after Russell (Flynn) won a nat.championship.

    Flynn also won the bowl game his JR. year (when Russell was hurt).

    I dont believe that LSU won a SEC championship during Russell's starting years there.

    People are enamored with Russell's arm strength. (I get that), but Russell is anything but a winner.

    Al Davis has hitched his fate to the wrong wagon IMO.
     

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