Your positives and negatives from the game?

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  1. TheRealJoker

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    Positives:

    1) Kris Brown is about as good as it gets when it comes to NFL kickers.

    2) Looks like we'll have some solid WRs if Anderson gets the opportunity to carry over his play to the regular season. The guy isn't big or fast but he finds ways to get open and catches everything thrown at him, those types of guys should always have a place on an NFL team.

    3) Duane Brown held his own against a premier edge rusher in Elvis Dumervil. He had the feet to match him in pass protection. Needs improvement in run blocking and against the bull rush however.

    4) Steve Slaton showed flashes of his potential. He's gonna have to grow up real fast though if the production from the other backs will be similar to tonight's all season.

    5) MARIO IS A BEAST!!! He looks to be picking up where he left off last season..that's a scary thought.

    Negatives:

    1) Ahman Green injured on his 1st touch of the game. This takes away pretty much any tiny bit of confidence I had left in him playing a full NFL season.

    2) Our interior OL/DL was beaten most of the game. The holes we weren't opening seemed to be opening for the Broncos. Aside from a few key times when we could stuff them.

    3) Chris Taylor didn't look like the training camp beast some of the members here have built him up to being. He looked subpar to be honest. Darius Walker looked average and Slaton looked the best for no reason other than he showed flashes of his elite burst through the hole at times. Our running backs were one of the weakest units tonight.

    4) Jacoby Jones needs to learn that ball security is of the utmost importance even when the games dont count. That fumble should've never happened because the play should've been over like a minute before it happened lol.

    5) It seems our outside linebackers still have trouble stopping the screen pass. We're gonna need to work on this before Pittsburgh eats us up with it on opening day.
     
  2. Hardcore Texan

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    From the gameday thread:

    http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=969403&postcount=555

    Here's my thoughts on the game tonight:

    - Darius Walker looked like our best RB out there tonight.
    - Green is just not going to be dependable, hope I am wrong.
    - Taylor looked so-so at best.
    - Slaton looked so-so.
    - The ZBS needs more work for sure, looked pretty sloppy.
    - The other starters on offense played decent.
    - Andre Davis is picking up where he left off last year
    - Anderson is going to make the squad.
    - Mario looked like he is getting ready to have a great season.
    - Demeco look like Demeco, which is great.
    - Diles made some nice plays
    - Jacoby is a great athelete but needs to get some consistency.
    - Brown held his own.
    - The safety play was unimpressive except for maybe Demps.
    - We still can't stop the run.
    - Cochran is playing pretty freaking hard out there and looks hungry.
    - We still can't punch it in from the redzone
     
  3. TheRealJoker

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    Redzone offense was another negative that I forgot to mention. It always has been, I hope the solution is found sooner rather than later. We have the weapons to get it in from the redzone passing. I think we lack the short yardage back/interior OL to punch it in however.
     
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    Or at least the threat of it, which will open up everything else. Without the threat we get shutdown.
     
  5. GP

    GP Go Texans!

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    Yeah, RZ has been a sore spot. Forever.

    Very little creativity. The naked bootleg is no secret anymore. LOL.
     
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    True, the lack of a short yardage threat causes Schaub to try and force throws that he shouldn't which has led to turnovers and will lead to turnovers again unless they can find a solution to the redzone problem.
     
  7. Hagar

    Hagar Drink up yall, its the Texans!

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    I specifically watched two guys tonight, Duane Brown and Frank Okam.

    Duane did a damn good job and only missed one block all night. He gives up a little too much ground in his pass protection, but that's an easy fix given his size and strength.

    Frank on the other hand started off real slow. The first few sets of down, Frank didn't really fire off the ball. He sort of popped up, looked around to see what was happening and then tried to move towards the ball. He just looked out of place. As the game wore on, you could tell Frank started move a bit more aggressively. He was firing off the ball much better and attacking the man in front of him. I think he'll make the first round of cuts, and then we'll see what happens. Frank's definitely got the tools, lets see if he has the desire.
     
  8. AnthonyE

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    I'm not going to complain about that play and here's why. From my seat (right behind Jacoby when he fumbled, and could see basically what he could see), I saw a wide open field ahead of him. Had he held on to the ball and made one more guy miss he would have had an open field for a touchdown. I'm still going to fault him for fumbling, because he even didn't receive the punt cleanly, but the moves that he made during the play really excite me about his potential this season. Seems he has that swagger back from last preseason.
     


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    Rashod Butler and Brandon Frye were both very good tonight. Both held up in pass protection well and both men regularly cut their man to the ground on the back side of the running plays. I'm thrilled these two athletic, young guys control the edges for 3 quarters!

    I thought Okam looked very lazy and disinterested (quite a shock for a Mack Brown coached player, I know).

    Fletcher was awesome! He looked like a different guy and I totally believe Kubiak's talk about him playing his way into the starting lineup.

    Buhlman was very slow off the ball every single play. I think, since he's in a 4 point stance, he's unable to watch the ball on the end and is reacting to the tackle- that's not gonna get it done. He won't make the team.

    DBarber looked very good as well. Very physical and aggressive on ST and at safety. He seemed to understand where he was supposed to be. I wonder why Scheffler was still in the game in the 4th quarter, but it's not to embarassing to get beat by Scheffler in your first game as a pro.

    Eslinger sucks!
     
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    Thats a real good point actually, he looked like he was enjoyinh himself out there, and thats good. I also liked his sole reception, sweetness :)
     
  11. Thorn

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    Positive: We are still a good passing team, and our corner and safety play (compaired to last year) seems to be improving a tad. Mario looks to have a good year. We have one of the best FG kickers in the league, if not the best.

    Negative: Still can't run the ball or punch it in in the Red Zone.
     
  12. prostock101

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    My two cents!

    Running game - WTF! We started camp with supposedly strong competition at the position and by halftime we looked worse than last year. We may have to bring the Dayne Train back and hope for the best.

    Offensive Line - I think everyone agrees Brown looked pretty good in his first start. The Oline looked ok in pass downs, but running the ball was just awful. The entire line looked clueless and Taylor's 1.9 ypc was the icing on the cake.

    Schaub v. Rosenfels - I've always thought Schuab was the better QB. The exception is those idiotic throws into heavy traffic. I hope Kub rips him a new one for that throw.

    Defense - Mario is a beast as advertised. They dominated the first series and after that they just layed down. I'm starting to believe that these guys are so afraid of injury in the preseason that unless they're fighting for a roster spot, they just phone it in.

    Jacoby - He deserves his own line here. Great catch and then he does what he did last year on punt returns and try to outrun the coverage in the wrong direction instead of just heading upfield. Too many more mental mistakes like that and he'll get what Spencer Tilman calls, "An apple and a road map."

    Bottom line is they don't find a running game with the mess at running back and the offensive line running around like Keystone Kops, it's going to be a long season.
     
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    :spit:

    I agree, but I've still got faith that Gibbs will get it turned around.
     
  14. wolf123

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    I think its its unfair to judge chris taylor off of just last nights performance b/c the whole line struggled to get any movement in the first half.

    Are WR's are very good. I hope that david anderson's good play lights a fire under Jacoby jones.

    Earl Cochrans play impressed me and I liked his hustle. the whole second DL unit got it handed to them all game.

    I'm likeing the depth at CB and really wish I could have seen molden out there.
     
  15. BattleRedToro

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    I thought Darius Walker and Shane Boyd looked good out there and I hope they both make the team
     
  16. Mr teX

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    You guys have to remember AJ wasn't out there.

    As far as my thoughts:

    positive:
    - we got out relatively healthy save for Green.
    - Schaub's shoulder looks ok which is a good thing
    - Mario looks like he's picking up where he left off last year & Amobi looks like he's ready to turn the corner.

    - Slaton looked better than i thought he would, Kubes should definitely give him some 1st team reps.
    - For a team who really didn't want to show much & to be playing a team who pretty much knew your offense inside out, we did well.


    Negative:
    - A. Green, i've just lost what little confidence i had left in him.
    - Don't see what the big deal is about C. Taylor... actually i never have. Last night he didn't look all that great to me.
    - Haven't rewatched the game, but outside of slaton, none of our rooks stood out last night, one particular play i remember seeing Adibi get de-cleated..... not a good look kid.
     
  17. Texans_Chick

    Texans_Chick Utopian Dreamer

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    I focused on Okam through the binoculars while he was in the game because he was one of the few guys still in that I thought might have a place on this team with some upside.

    I do not know where you are getting that lazy/disinterested thing. At all. Personally, I believe if you are going to say such things, you should give illustrations other than a generalized stereotype.

    He almost got the quarterback a couple of times, and was in on a tackle for a loss. There were a few plays where he ran laterally across the field to help with a tackle and literally was the only big body in the vicinity. He looked surprisingly quick, I thought, for someone of his size. He may also have had a tip on one play, but I couldn't tell for sure.

    By that point in the game, Denver wasn't trying to run anything through the middle of the field and was bouncing most things outside.

    He was usually the first one lined up on the line, like he couldn't wait to go again.

    I got the same sensation watching Okam as I did watching Eric Winston preseason his rookie year. That they were learning, but that they were better than the 2nd/3rd string guys they were playing with.

    They had a couple of linemen come off the field for a play, and he went directly to Jethro Franklin and they were discussing things. Doesn't sound disinterested to me.

    I saw enough of him to be interested to see what he would look like running with the 1s.

    FWIW.
     
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    positives
    #1 is right on
    #2 True but i bet jacoby is playing his way off the team
    #3 Brown did well today and he seemed to be doing better than others at run blocking
    #4 Slaton did not make mistakes so im with you here
    #5 Go mario :thisbig:

    The bad
    Im fine with no green or jacoby returning punts from here on out . Our offensive linemen were not pushing back denvers front at all , if you watched denver push you seen them push as much as ten yards at times . Taylor looks to be still gimpy and makes bad reads as well as not going up the field instead of sideline to sideline . There does seem to me that smith wants to rotate ( left side to right side ) not only DL but linebackers as well and greenwood simply does not do well on the right side . However all night the DB players made the plays on the backs and the tightends so every linebacker was failing to cover anyone . :gun:
     
  19. Texans_Chick

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    The running game looked completely undependable. Very deja vu feeling.

    Taking out Boyd and Turks' runs, the Texans were under 100 yards. Time of possession was crud on a stick too.

    When Ahman Green came out of the game, did anyone else have the words echoing in their heads...."I've fallen and I can't get up."

    It's just the first preseason game, but so far it looks like the same ole from the last two years. Can throw the ball reliably to a lot of different targets. Run the ball, not so much.
     
  20. Vinny

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    they had their good moments but they also had really bad snaps...I'm not as enthusiastic about Frye as I am about Butler though.

    I thought he played pretty well myself.
    I like how he runs to the ball....he seems pretty decisive once he reads the play properly.

    On some of the comments above, the red zone is where most all zbs schems bog down because they are generally undersized. I kinda expect us to struggle here early on since we have to rely more on finesse than your run of the mill, straight up smash mouth hog filled offensive line does.

    We have a huge problem at rb....Green was looking for turf before contact. Dude wasn't even hit and he is already hurt. I'm done sipping this kool-aide. Taylor was unimpressive and Walker isn't a starting back in this league...he's a poor man's Dom Davis. He would struggle to make any roster in the NFL imo. Preseason week 1 and Chris Brown is hurt and Green makes 1/2 plays before he is hurt....we are already down to option 3 in the running game.

    No way you can cut David Anderson....he was wide open early in the game when Schaub found the FB....he was open quite a bit all game. I've got him making the squad...period.

    I'm still very high on Boyd....he is a very interesting prospect at QB.

    off topic but the fannin park n ride cash lot was a joke. I got locked my car at 6pm and barely made the kickoff using metro rail since there were massive lines at the machines and they had zero support there (unlike last season). There were hundreds of fans behind me that probably came in late to the game even though they arrived at the stadium in plenty of time.
     

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