Your opinions on Texans draft changing?

[badboy]

We have seen several mocks by our regulars in this forum and some new folks and welcome by the way. Have your thoughts changed on what positions we need to draft? What about players in draft? Who has dropped on your boards and who had risen?

Nose still remains my priority and I do not see that changing. Good news is a good one should be there in first IF Wade wants.

Ben Jones settling in at RG & surplanting Caldwell has been a pleasant surprise & has allowed Brooks a chance to remain in shadows while he does whatever he needs to do. Where would team be if Jones had not stepped up? Newton won me over and from what I see in posts others are joining me. As the right side has solidified with these two on field more together, a right side O lineman has dropped from first round to 4th on my board. I wished Wade Smith was better but I think he is still injured from last season. I next want to see Brooks step up & show he will be the answer by 2014.

WR is something I keep moving down then yanking back up. I desperately want a player to line up opposite AJ and be that WR2 that allows AJ to extend his career & eventually be his replacement. I believe most WRs don't hit their stride until second year with some exceptions. Do I risk a first or second now & hope the pick is more than just an improvement at our WR5? Do I skip WR in '13 and hope that some of the underclassmen return to college and come out in 2014 offering a better option for Texans? If Patterson, Hopkins & Woods decide to return & a few lower round guys step up + maybe a Marqis Lee declares in '14, would a better option be there in 2014 and allow Texans to go for a non-receiver in first 4 rounds now? I am looking at nose in first and Cobi Hamilton in third. Posey against Colts offered me some hope. If he and Jean can get some reps, I hope to move this position off my board. They really need to step up. Still, if Terrance Williams is there in first...argh!

LB is my second priority & despite this being a weak class, I think Texans can fill that need in third.

S will be a low priority if Quin returns and for now I think he will.

1. NT John Jenkins (my draft partner Beerlover says he drops to us or is close enough for a trade up. Hey, he picked JJ Watt.) or Luis Nix should be here. I don't want to use picks to trade up but Tate?
2. OLB Morgan Brislin could be another Mercilus and I will be surprised if Barwin comes back as he would be much more expensive than Brooks.
3A. ILB Andrew Jackson hey he can play OLB and reminds me of former Alabama Dont'a Hightower who was drafted by mmm oh yeah New England.
3b. WR (at least for now) Cobi Hamilton Arkansas. 6'2" 209 and may break into 4.4s 90/1335 14.8 5 TDs
4. OT/OG Rick Wagner
5A TE Michael Williams
5B RB Cierre Woods
5C C/OG Gabe Ikard
6. DE Kapron Lewis -Moore as Crick is looking very good & could be A. Smith's replacement. I wish I had Moore's motor. If you have watched Notre Dame this season you know what I mean. Jan 7th Alabama v. ND!
7A CB/FS Darrius Slay this dark horse could be a talent at either position and moves into #3 safety in his second year.
7B (allan ball) Ray Ray Armstrong go ahead and jeer but he probably will go as high as 5th.

 

[aussie_texan]

NT is still my top priority, only real need i think. First round, really hoping for Nix from ND.

OT, i think we got our answer against the colts when newton came back and played really well, the line looked a lot better with him, so OT moves down to around 4-5th round of me but a pick is still needed because we could loose all or some of gardner, butler and harris in FA

OG, similar to OT, jones has played consistently well from the get go and i think brooks had a good game against the colts and from what kubiack said, we should see more of him in the next few weeks. so OG like OT is around the mid to late rounds.
THe only thing that concerns me is the amount of OG/OT that are finishing their contracts this year, depending how many leave and who leaves OG/OT could move up my board, but for now im looking for depth and competition not starters.

WR, was never a real priority for me and im a big fan of posey so i would like to give them (posey, martin, jean and maehl) another year before we go after the Number 1 wideout.

I started the year out thinking CB in the mid rounds to add depth but now see it as high priority (e.g. 2nd round), harris is not progressing, kjax is good but i think he needs some competition to keep him playing well and progressing, also with the amount of nickle packages we play the 3rd CB is a real importance now. mccain before his injury was also not playing as well as last year.

The big surprise for me is Safety. I have always been a big fan of demps but im starting to become a little worried with him. I see safety as high as the 3rd round. We often play 3 safeties on the field and demps is a playmaker and a ball magnet but is not consistent enough and im finding myself worried when is on the field. Consistency is the key because our DB have been playing well but given up the big play has been killing us the last few weeks. Also manning is getting a little older and is quite expensive. im not saying we get rid of him because his too good but a player to groom under him is needed and i feel demps isnt that guy. also keo is mainly a ST and isnt the future starting S for this team.

RB, may be needed if we trade Tate, but i liked grimes in the offseason and have been happy with forsett so its not a massive priority even if we loose Tate. so at most round 6.

TE, we saw when GG went down we struggled on offence, this offence plays more importance on the 2nd TE then the 2nd WR, so going after a TE early i wouldn't be mad with but i feel we need to target other positions first. but i would like some competition going into camp so i feel TE must be address somewhere in the draft.

Not concerned about DE, because if we get that NT, earl mitchell moves over to DE (if cody stays) and our starters are very good and with good back ups in jamison, crick and mitchell we should be fine.

OLB is a bit of a wildcard, i really like merciless and barwin hasnt had those nice stats like last year. if barwin leaves in FA i think and early to mid-round pick is need e.g. 2-4th round. But i think he stays to a team friendly deal and if he does a late round pick is all thats needed to add competition, also im thinking we loose nading in FA, or flat out cut him. also braman is a beast!!!!!

 

[steelbtexan]

We have seen several mocks by our regulars in this forum and some new folks and welcome by the way. Have your thoughts changed on what positions we need to draft? What about players in draft? Who has dropped on your boards and who had risen?

Nose still remains my priority and I do not see that changing. Good news is a good one should be there in first IF Wade wants.

Ben Jones settling in at RG & surplanting Caldwell has been a pleasant surprise & has allowed Brooks a chance to remain in shadows while he does whatever he needs to do. Where would team be if Jones had not stepped up? Newton won me over and from what I see in posts others are joining me. As the right side has solidified with these two on field more together, a right side O lineman has dropped from first round to 4th on my board. I wished Wade Smith was better but I think he is still injured from last season. I next want to see Brooks step up & show he will be the answer by 2014.

WR is something I keep moving down then yanking back up. I desperately want a player to line up opposite AJ and be that WR2 that allows AJ to extend his career & eventually be his replacement. I believe most WRs don't hit their stride until second year with some exceptions. Do I risk a first or second now & hope the pick is more than just an improvement at our WR5? Do I skip WR in '13 and hope that some of the underclassmen return to college and come out in 2014 offering a better option for Texans? If Patterson, Hopkins & Woods decide to return & a few lower round guys step up + maybe a Marqis Lee declares in '14, would a better option be there in 2014 and allow Texans to go for a non-receiver in first 4 rounds now? I am looking at nose in first and Cobi Hamilton in third. Posey against Colts offered me some hope. If he and Jean can get some reps, I hope to move this position off my board. They really need to step up. Still, if Terrance Williams is there in first...argh!

LB is my second priority & despite this being a weak class, I think Texans can fill that need in third.

S will be a low priority if Quin returns and for now I think he will.

1. NT John Jenkins (my draft partner Beerlover says he drops to us or is close enough for a trade up. Hey, he picked JJ Watt.) or Luis Nix should be here. I don't want to use picks to trade up but Tate?
2. OLB Morgan Brislin could be another Mercilus and I will be surprised if Barwin comes back as he would be much more expensive than Brooks.
3A. ILB Andrew Jackson hey he can play OLB and reminds me of former Alabama Dont'a Hightower who was drafted by mmm oh yeah New England.
3b. WR (at least for now) Cobi Hamilton Arkansas. 6'2" 209 and may break into 4.4s 90/1335 14.8 5 TDs
4. OT/OG Rick Wagner
5A TE Michael Williams
5B RB Cierre Woods
5C C/OG Gabe Ikard
6. DE Kapron Lewis -Moore as Crick is looking very good & could be A. Smith's replacement. I wish I had Moore's motor. If you have watched Notre Dame this season you know what I mean. Jan 7th Alabama v. ND!
7A CB/FS Darrius Slay this dark horse could be a talent at either position and moves into #3 safety in his second year.
7B (allan ball) Ray Ray Armstrong go ahead and jeer but he probably will go as high as 5th.

I want to fix the offense so that they can score more than one offensive TD as they have in the past couple of games.

Patterson/Terrance Williams represent more value talent wise than any of the DT's. IMHO A WR corps of AJ/Posey/Williams/Martin/Walter would be the best in Texans history.

I also rate OT as as high need. There's a big talent gap between guys like Long/Winters/Lane Johnson in the 2nd rd and Wagner in the 4th, if he's still there. (Doubtful) Wagner isn't a good for the ZBS. Doesn't have the feet.

I will check out some of your sleeper picks. If you get time Check out some of my sleeper picks. Reid Fragel Ohio St. RT, Former TE, real physical has good feet. Malcolm Bronson He tore his ACL and should be available late in the draft. He is the nephew of Zack played for the 49ers and is from Jasper. Malcolm kept the much hearlded Janzen Jackson on the bench last yr at McNeese. Guy is a player.

Montori Hughes is another big athletic NT who got kicked out of Tennesee (Dooley) for smoking pot. But he's a player.

 

[thunderkyss]

I really enjoy the mocks I read here, so please don't take this as anything other than constructive criticism.

But I think most mock drafts are too need dependent. I know there is an element in all drafts, including the actual draft. But it is rare, I think, that a team can actually say, "This is number one priority, this is number two priority, this is number three"

Case in point, we have NT at the top of a lot of mock drafts for this team, but we have one of the fiercest pass rush & a stout run defense. Only 3 rushing TDs have been given up by whatever squad Wade has put on the field this year despite facing some of the better rushers in the league. McGahee, Rice, MJD, CJ2ypc, CJSpiller, Matt Forte, Steven Riddley.......

Need yes, but to the point that we don't take the best player who happens to be a WR or OG or Safety, or ILB... I don't see it.

I'd love to have a #1a in training at WR. I'd hate to get rid of KDub but this offense would be the shiazttzz with 1st round talent lined up opposite Andre. Maybe we have that with Posey, but if that questioned isn't answered before our season is over....... let's not rule out a talented WR for the sake of a NT.

I think many people thought NT was a major need last year as well. As great a season as Nick Fairley has been having, we'd have missed out on Jj Watt.

 

[Wolf6151]

Hate to burst anyone's bubble but Nix is staying at ND.
http://espn.go.com/college-football...ish-linemen-zack-martin-louis-nix-enter-draft

I thought he'd go before we had a chance at him but now someone else will move up and away from us in the 1st round.

Current needs as I see them:
1. DT/NT, I saw Cody getting pushed around by a single blocker in the Colts game way to often and being a 3 mil. a yr. player and FA says bye bye to me. Kawann Short-DT from Purdue, great size and strength to anchor on double teams, speed to penetrate on single blocking, agility/athleticism to play the run and pressure the QB.
2. WR, regardless of what Posey, Martin, and Jean have done this year or not done, which isn't much, we need some better WR talent. Those guys should be fighting for a roster spot next training camp. Quinton Patton-WR from La. Tech. size, great hands, decent speed, field awareness, not afraid of contact, and good routes.
3. OT/OG, I want at least 1 guy in the 2nd or 3rd round and preferably 2 that can play both positions, good quality talent that can step in if needed or fighting for a starting spot in training camp as well as a later round OG for depth. Ricky Wagner-OT from Wisconsin.
3b. OG, Gabe Jackson-OG from Miss. St. with the comp. 3rd. Back to back O-line helps solidify the line for the future and Wade Smith will be leaving after the 2013 season, maybe sooner.
4. CB, we lose McCain in FA because even mediocre CB's are expensive and Harris steps up to take his nickle spot and a draft pick steps in to fill Harris's spot as trainable and upgradeable (is that a word) depth. Johnny Adams-CB from Mich. St. he's got size, speed, athleticism, and potential to be coached up.
5. ILB, once Cushing is back and with a better NT the other 2 down ILB spot is much less important but some young athletic stable talent with potential would be nice here. Kevin Reddick-ILB from UNC or Bruce Taylor-ILB from Va. Tech. both have size and athleticism.
5b. TE, a blocking TE would be nice, our O-line needs some size up front. Michael Williams-TE from Alabama, great size but can catch as well. 6'06" and 270 lbs. would look nice lined up next to Brown or Newton.
6. FB, a real one not a converted TE with no size for lead blocking. I know we don't use one much but in goal line situations some Vontae Leach kind of size and pounding ability would be nice. J.C. Copeland-FB from LSU, a Vontae Leach clone and cheaper than Clutts.
6b. Safety, some added competition in the secondary so that guys like Demps, who I like, at least have to fight for their jobs. No one in mind right now but it's not a great year for Safety so some mid round talent will fall.
7. P, field position is so important and the ability to pin someone deep in their own territory helps your defense immensely. See Bryan Anger from Jacksonville. I like Quinn Sharp-P/K from Oklahoma St. who can also be an emergency K if needed.

 

[aussie_texan]

Hate to burst anyone's bubble but Nix is staying at ND.
http://espn.go.com/college-football...ish-linemen-zack-martin-louis-nix-enter-draft

not happy about this!!!!!!
ill be focusing on the williams, from 'Bama and NC.

 

[rmartin65]

We have seen several mocks by our regulars in this forum and some new folks and welcome by the way. Have your thoughts changed on what positions we need to draft? What about players in draft? Who has dropped on your boards and who had risen?

Nose still remains my priority and I do not see that changing. Good news is a good one should be there in first IF Wade wants.

Ben Jones settling in at RG & surplanting Caldwell has been a pleasant surprise & has allowed Brooks a chance to remain in shadows while he does whatever he needs to do. Where would team be if Jones had not stepped up? Newton won me over and from what I see in posts others are joining me. As the right side has solidified with these two on field more together, a right side O lineman has dropped from first round to 4th on my board. I wished Wade Smith was better but I think he is still injured from last season. I next want to see Brooks step up & show he will be the answer by 2014.

WR is something I keep moving down then yanking back up. I desperately want a player to line up opposite AJ and be that WR2 that allows AJ to extend his career & eventually be his replacement. I believe most WRs don't hit their stride until second year with some exceptions. Do I risk a first or second now & hope the pick is more than just an improvement at our WR5? Do I skip WR in '13 and hope that some of the underclassmen return to college and come out in 2014 offering a better option for Texans? If Patterson, Hopkins & Woods decide to return & a few lower round guys step up + maybe a Marqis Lee declares in '14, would a better option be there in 2014 and allow Texans to go for a non-receiver in first 4 rounds now? I am looking at nose in first and Cobi Hamilton in third. Posey against Colts offered me some hope. If he and Jean can get some reps, I hope to move this position off my board. They really need to step up. Still, if Terrance Williams is there in first...argh!

LB is my second priority & despite this being a weak class, I think Texans can fill that need in third.

S will be a low priority if Quin returns and for now I think he will.

1. NT John Jenkins (my draft partner Beerlover says he drops to us or is close enough for a trade up. Hey, he picked JJ Watt.) or Luis Nix should be here. I don't want to use picks to trade up but Tate?
2. OLB Morgan Brislin could be another Mercilus and I will be surprised if Barwin comes back as he would be much more expensive than Brooks.
3A. ILB Andrew Jackson hey he can play OLB and reminds me of former Alabama Dont'a Hightower who was drafted by mmm oh yeah New England.
3b. WR (at least for now) Cobi Hamilton Arkansas. 6'2" 209 and may break into 4.4s 90/1335 14.8 5 TDs
4. OT/OG Rick Wagner
5A TE Michael Williams
5B RB Cierre Woods
5C C/OG Gabe Ikard
6. DE Kapron Lewis -Moore as Crick is looking very good & could be A. Smith's replacement. I wish I had Moore's motor. If you have watched Notre Dame this season you know what I mean. Jan 7th Alabama v. ND!
7A CB/FS Darrius Slay this dark horse could be a talent at either position and moves into #3 safety in his second year.
7B (allan ball) Ray Ray Armstrong go ahead and jeer but he probably will go as high as 5th.

First off, and this is not just to badboy, it appears Nix is returning to ND- http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20121217/louis-nix-notre-dame/?sct=uk_t11_a2

I am slowly becoming more comfortable with the right side of the line. I am not there 100% there yet, but I am on the way. Even if Newton and Jones prove themselves to be starters, we will need to draft a backup at both tackle and guard.

WR is a tough one to peg, I agree. However, again, I am coming to the same conclusion as you- this draft, WR is not a pressing need. AJ is having a dynamite year, even if he does not have the same explosiveness. He still has a couple good years left, we can wait to draft his replacement. The rest of the receivers do their jobs. I dont think we have one real #2 receiver, but rather a couple guys that come in depending on what is going on. Posey really impressed me last game, let's see if he can keep it up. At this rate, we may not have to draft a receiver at all this year.

ILB is a need, in my opinion. I dont think there is a coincidence that since Cushing's injury, we look weaker on D.

OLB is also a need, I think, even if Barwin re-signs. We are getting very little pass rush from the OLBs, which cant happen in a 3-4. Watt is playing out of his mind, but he needs support. Mercilus has 6 sacks, but they appear to be gimmes. Reed has 2 sacks in 11 games, Barwin has very few as well. Even if we just draft a 3rd down pass rush specialist, it needs to be addressed.

I think Quin stays as well. I dont think he would get that much money on the open market, that we are over-valuing him. He will get a raise, but it wont break the bank (though Barwin may have to walk).

1) I would be good with Jenkins. As with all NTs, there is some sizeable risk, but it really is the big whole on this team. Worth the risk, and would be BPA if available.

2) I dont know much about Breslin. Good numbers, good size, but never really stood out to me when I watched USC. I will see if I can scrounge up some more film.

3) Old Hickory, sign me up.

3) Like I said earlier, I dont know if WR is a good choice this year. I dont know if any player taken late willget any real playing time next year, and it may be better to just take one high in 2014.

4) I dont think Wagner fits the system. Good player, but for another team.

5) Michael Williams is a pretty solid pick. Blocking TE with underrated hands. I think he will be gone though.

5) Woods is a great choice. Really, the definition of a number 2 back- does everything well, nothing exceptionally so. Can be a great breather option.

5) Heck yea, boomer sooners! I dont think he declares though, he is only a Junior. I think he returns to Norman for his Senior year.

6) Lewis-Moore is a great pick. We are going to need a DE opposite Watt pretty soon, and KLM can be that guy.

7) Slay could be a good NFL player. I think Broomfield is more talented, but Slay's size might make him a better pro. Only thing is, I think I am going to address CB earlier. I am not confident in Harris at all anymore.

7) Sorry bb, I dont like this idea, unless you plan on PS-ing him, and moving him to ILB.

 

[badboy]

NT is still my top priority, only real need i think. First round, really hoping for Nix from ND.

OT, i think we got our answer against the colts when newton came back and played really well, the line looked a lot better with him, so OT moves down to around 4-5th round of me but a pick is still needed because we could loose all or some of gardner, butler and harris in FA

OG, similar to OT, jones has played consistently well from the get go and i think brooks had a good game against the colts and from what kubiack said, we should see more of him in the next few weeks. so OG like OT is around the mid to late rounds.
THe only thing that concerns me is the amount of OG/OT that are finishing their contracts this year, depending how many leave and who leaves OG/OT could move up my board, but for now im looking for depth and competition not starters.

WR, was never a real priority for me and im a big fan of posey so i would like to give them (posey, martin, jean and maehl) another year before we go after the Number 1 wideout.

I started the year out thinking CB in the mid rounds to add depth but now see it as high priority (e.g. 2nd round), harris is not progressing, kjax is good but i think he needs some competition to keep him playing well and progressing, also with the amount of nickle packages we play the 3rd CB is a real importance now. mccain before his injury was also not playing as well as last year.

The big surprise for me is Safety. I have always been a big fan of demps but im starting to become a little worried with him. I see safety as high as the 3rd round. We often play 3 safeties on the field and demps is a playmaker and a ball magnet but is not consistent enough and im finding myself worried when is on the field. Consistency is the key because our DB have been playing well but given up the big play has been killing us the last few weeks. Also manning is getting a little older and is quite expensive. im not saying we get rid of him because his too good but a player to groom under him is needed and i feel demps isnt that guy. also keo is mainly a ST and isnt the future starting S for this team.

RB, may be needed if we trade Tate, but i liked grimes in the offseason and have been happy with forsett so its not a massive priority even if we loose Tate. so at most round 6.

TE, we saw when GG went down we struggled on offence, this offence plays more importance on the 2nd TE then the 2nd WR, so going after a TE early i wouldn't be mad with but i feel we need to target other positions first. but i would like some competition going into camp so i feel TE must be address somewhere in the draft.

Not concerned about DE, because if we get that NT, earl mitchell moves over to DE (if cody stays) and our starters are very good and with good back ups in jamison, crick and mitchell we should be fine.

OLB is a bit of a wildcard, i really like merciless and barwin hasnt had those nice stats like last year. if barwin leaves in FA i think and early to mid-round pick is need e.g. 2-4th round. But i think he stays to a team friendly deal and if he does a late round pick is all thats needed to add competition, also im thinking we loose nading in FA, or flat out cut him. also braman is a beast!!!!!

Looks like you put some thought into your post. I've tried to mock a corner but don't see any after say mid second that thrills me. TBH I did not spend much time on college corners or safeties. Early I was going to follow U.Texas guys but that fizzled quickly. Any recommendations for late 2nd or after? I think Slay will do well at either.

Barwin, do we need an OLB that does not get to QB consistently at even a low contract? If Watt had turned out to be a normal DE, we would be a hurtin'. I say bye bye Connor and draft an OLB.

RB, if you can watch Cierre Wood when Notre Dame plays Alabama.

 

[Scooter]

i think i'm about the same now as i was early in the season.

1. wide receiver. it's past time to look for the heir to andre, who significantly upgrades #2 wide receiver in the mean time. we're way too dependent on andre and multiple tightend sets to move the ball through the air because our wide receivers arent capable of consistently making plays.

2 offensive tackle. i still see newton topping out as a very good backup. if long is available, i'd make him a priority pick, even taking him in the first if he continues to climb. brooks and jones seem poised to take the OG positions, so i think we're good there, but the bookend opposite duane brown is a very big need IMO.

3 inside linebacker. brian cushing and then a lot of average players on the current squad, none of whom should be starting. this is a spot where i'd like to see us double up in the middle rounds and aim at guys who have shown ball skills in coverage. we have thumpers, but only cushing who can really be an asset when we switch to nickel.

4 nose tackle. i dont rank this as a need, but i would certainly love a franchise big body. NT i would like to see us grab as BPA - whether in the first round or 7th doesnt matter to me. i'd hate to see us bypass a better player to fill this position, but if BPA at our pick is a heavy, i hope we jump on it.

5 corner, safety, OLB. i list these as positions that could use depth, but rate them as areas that could be filled with second tier veteran free agents. i'd look for late round athletes to fill the practice squad and hope to land a gem.

 

[badboy]

Hate to burst anyone's bubble but Nix is staying at ND.
http://espn.go.com/college-football...ish-linemen-zack-martin-louis-nix-enter-draft

I thought he'd go before we had a chance at him but now someone else will move up and away from us in the 1st round.

Current needs as I see them:
1. DT/NT, I saw Cody getting pushed around by a single blocker in the Colts game way to often and being a 3 mil. a yr. player and FA says bye bye to me. Kawann Short-DT from Purdue, great size and strength to anchor on double teams, speed to penetrate on single blocking, agility/athleticism to play the run and pressure the QB.
2. WR, regardless of what Posey, Martin, and Jean have done this year or not done, which isn't much, we need some better WR talent. Those guys should be fighting for a roster spot next training camp. Quinton Patton-WR from La. Tech. size, great hands, decent speed, field awareness, not afraid of contact, and good routes.
3. OT/OG, I want at least 1 guy in the 2nd or 3rd round and preferably 2 that can play both positions, good quality talent that can step in if needed or fighting for a starting spot in training camp as well as a later round OG for depth. Ricky Wagner-OT from Wisconsin.
3b. OG, Gabe Jackson-OG from Miss. St. with the comp. 3rd. Back to back O-line helps solidify the line for the future and Wade Smith will be leaving after the 2013 season, maybe sooner.
4. CB, we lose McCain in FA because even mediocre CB's are expensive and Harris steps up to take his nickle spot and a draft pick steps in to fill Harris's spot as trainable and upgradeable (is that a word) depth. Johnny Adams-CB from Mich. St. he's got size, speed, athleticism, and potential to be coached up.
5. ILB, once Cushing is back and with a better NT the other 2 down ILB spot is much less important but some young athletic stable talent with potential would be nice here. Kevin Reddick-ILB from UNC or Bruce Taylor-ILB from Va. Tech. both have size and athleticism.
5b. TE, a blocking TE would be nice, our O-line needs some size up front. Michael Williams-TE from Alabama, great size but can catch as well. 6'06" and 270 lbs. would look nice lined up next to Brown or Newton.
6. FB, a real one not a converted TE with no size for lead blocking. I know we don't use one much but in goal line situations some Vontae Leach kind of size and pounding ability would be nice. J.C. Copeland-FB from LSU, a Vontae Leach clone and cheaper than Clutts.
6b. Safety, some added competition in the secondary so that guys like Demps, who I like, at least have to fight for their jobs. No one in mind right now but it's not a great year for Safety so some mid round talent will fall.
7. P, field position is so important and the ability to pin someone deep in their own territory helps your defense immensely. See Bryan Anger from Jacksonville. I like Quinn Sharp-P/K from Oklahoma St. who can also be an emergency K if needed.

The news about Nix surprises me as I thought he was leaving for certain. Kelly must have got him drunk and whispered in his ear. Nix almost left last year. I guess his Irish Chocolate followers convinced him to ride the wave of popularity. Wow. Jesse Williams an early guy for me has moved up & I just cannot get a good read on Sylvester. He has done well when I have focused on him but he turned 24 last month and I want to see if he can keep the weight off. He is quicker and looke good against Virginia. He also has a rep for taking plays off but I have not seen that. It is possible with Nix gone, if S.Williams has a good combine he will climb into late 20s. He is ranked 69. If I knew he would be there in second....

SHort has a rep for not playing 100% but I guess if he can his stats as he has he might be an option. This is same issue I have with Sylvester and not sure that type play translates to NFL. Whomever we draft at NT will have to play hard every play.

 

[Playoffs]

Nope, I still want to trade one of our picks for Kirk Cousins.

 

[steelbtexan]

i think i'm about the same now as i was early in the season.

1. wide receiver. it's past time to look for the heir to andre, who significantly upgrades #2 wide receiver in the mean time. we're way too dependent on andre and multiple tightend sets to move the ball through the air because our wide receivers arent capable of consistently making plays.

2 offensive tackle. i still see newton topping out as a very good backup. if long is available, i'd make him a priority pick, even taking him in the first if he continues to climb. brooks and jones seem poised to take the OG positions, so i think we're good there, but the bookend opposite duane brown is a very big need IMO.

3 inside linebacker. brian cushing and then a lot of average players on the current squad, none of whom should be starting. this is a spot where i'd like to see us double up in the middle rounds and aim at guys who have shown ball skills in coverage. we have thumpers, but only cushing who can really be an asset when we switch to nickel.

4 nose tackle. i dont rank this as a need, but i would certainly love a franchise big body. NT i would like to see us grab as BPA - whether in the first round or 7th doesnt matter to me. i'd hate to see us bypass a better player to fill this position, but if BPA at our pick is a heavy, i hope we jump on it.

5 corner, safety, OLB. i list these as positions that could use depth, but rate them as areas that could be filled with second tier veteran free agents. i'd look for late round athletes to fill the practice squad and hope to land a gem.

This

Obviously the Texans have trouble scoring TD's. Either this is because of Garys conservatism or lack of playmakers. I tend to think it's the latter. Add a Williams or a Patterson in the 1st rd and a Winters in the 2nd and you will start seeing 24-31 points a game instead of 14-20 points a game. This will help take pressure off of the defense.

The good thing is you still should be able to find a good NT Which I rate as a higher need than you do) and upgrade depth at ILB.

 

[thunderkyss]

...and you will start seeing 24-31 points a game instead of 14-20 points a game. This will help take pressure off of the defense.

Are you talking about the Texans?

1. 30
2. 27
3. 31
4. 38
5. 23
6. 24
7. 43
8. bye
9. 21
10. 13
11. 43
12. 34
13. 24
14. 14
15. 29

We average 28 ppg.

 

[steelbtexan]

Are you talking about the Texans?

1. 30
2. 27
3. 31
4. 38
5. 23
6. 24
7. 43
8. bye
9. 21
10. 13
11. 43
12. 34
13. 24
14. 14
15. 29

We average 28 ppg.

Didn't realize that, however would you consider this offense potent? Especially against playoff caliber teams? 2 offensive TD's in the last 2 wks tells me the Texans could use an upgrade at WR/OL. Either that or Gary has gone ultra conservative and lost faith in Schaub to make good decisions in the Red Zone. I know you're a stats guy TK, but sometimes stats lie.

 

[thunderkyss]

Didn't realize that, however would you consider this offense potent? Especially against playoff caliber teams? 2 offensive TD's in the last 2 wks tells me the Texans could use an upgrade at WR/OL. Either that or Gary has gone ultra conservative and lost faith in Schaub to make good decisions in the Red Zone. I know you're a stats guy TK, but sometimes stats lie.

I think your point is good, the premise is the only thing I questioned.

This is a much better argument.

The only thing is that I wish Newton had never gotten hurt. Don't know where his game would be if not for that. I more or less like all the guys on our OL. Newton & Jones just need time. Myers.... well he's starting to tick me off. Smith has been playing better than I thought & I love the big guy (76).

But, I think we need to improve the pedigree of our offense. We need more 1st round pick, or more guys who expect to win. These last two seasons will help our offense with the latter.

At the same time, we're going to draft someone. I'd rather draft a 1st round offensive big ugly than a defensive big ugly. Because I want to blow people off the line. We did it with Eric & Briesel, so maybe Newton & Jones can get it done.

So I would have no problem taking an OG, targeting the veteran LG, or even a Center. If we have the opportunity to get better....

 

[Rey]

Are you talking about the Texans?

1. 30
2. 27
3. 31
4. 38
5. 23
6. 24
7. 43
8. bye
9. 21
10. 13
11. 43
12. 34
13. 24
14. 14
15. 29

We average 28 ppg.

How many defensive td's in there?

I know it won't greatly change the stats, but just curious.

I know this past week we scored on ST and over the course of the year we've scored defensive td's and given the offense great field position....we've also had two overtime games which bump our point totals a little...

And then against the patriots 7 of Those points were scored by the back ups in garbage time...

I realize every team has stuff like this happen, but I would be interested if there is a stay out there for "true point production"...

 

[beerlover]

If you improve the middle of this defense with an elite NT w/Cushing returning next season just how many points per game over 28 would be necessary?

With Kubiaks conservative nature I see them addressing ability to improve ball control/time of possession. In my last mock, after taking Jenkins I identified two OT's both bolstering right & left sides. As well ball control WR & blocking TE. Defensively, besides addressing nose also selected two stud LB's one inside Kiko Alonzo & one OLB in Whitney Mercilus teammate last season @ Illinois, Michael Buchanan who has ideal length 6'5" & is a bender with speed @ 245.

edit: nevermind Jenkins is returning for his Senior season @ Georgia http://blogs.ajc.com/uga-sports-blo...-senior-season/?cxntfid=blogs_uga_sports_blog

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

IMO ... I think you take the BPA out of these positions WR , NG , OLB , DE , TE in the 1st .

2nd rd ... the ones you didn't address plus ILB .

 

[thunderkyss]

How many defensive td's in there?

I know it won't greatly change the stats, but just curious.

I know this past week we scored on ST and over the course of the year we've scored defensive td's and given the offense great field position....we've also had two overtime games which bump our point totals a little...

And then against the patriots 7 of Those points were scored by the back ups in garbage time...

I realize every team has stuff like this happen, but I would be interested if there is a stay out there for "true point production"...

I don't think we've scored many defensive TDs all year. KMart got one on Special teams, Braman got his. Kj returned one for a TD, Manning did, Jjo did (but I don't think we've scored defensively since we lost Cushing). & that's about it.

We do benefit from the short field, can't argue.

But like you said, that's the game. It's not just offense, or defense.... ST. It's a team thing.

We haven't played any top ten defenses, either points or yards. I think that may be the nugget you're looking for. & that's a concern. We did play Miami & Denver, but again, we are most definitely not the team we were back then. We played the Bears, but didn't really score much.

Denver & that defense is the team I don't want to see in the play-offs.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I don't think we've scored many defensive TDs all year. KMart got one on Special teams, Braman got his. Kj returned one for a TD, Manning did, Jjo did (but I don't think we've scored defensively since we lost Cushing). & that's about it.

We do benefit from the short field, can't argue.

But like you said, that's the game. It's not just offense, or defense.... ST. It's a team thing.

We haven't played any top ten defenses, either points or yards. I think that may be the nugget you're looking for. & that's a concern. We did play Miami & Denver, but again, we are most definitely not the team we were back then. We played the Bears, but didn't really score much.

Denver & that defense is the team I don't want to see in the play-offs.

I think the NE vs SF game Sunday night is the new NFL . The 49ers and their vaunted defense beat NE 41 to 34 . The 85 Bears don't exist anymore and so you better be able to run with the big dogs . That's where the GB and NE games alarm me .

 

[steelbtexan]

I think your point is good, the premise is the only thing I questioned.

This is a much better argument.

The only thing is that I wish Newton had never gotten hurt. Don't know where his game would be if not for that. I more or less like all the guys on our OL. Newton & Jones just need time. Myers.... well he's starting to tick me off. Smith has been playing better than I thought & I love the big guy (76).

But, I think we need to improve the pedigree of our offense. We need more 1st round pick, or more guys who expect to win. These last two seasons will help our offense with the latter.

At the same time, we're going to draft someone. I'd rather draft a 1st round offensive big ugly than a defensive big ugly. Because I want to blow people off the line. We did it with Eric & Briesel, so maybe Newton & Jones can get it done.

So I would have no problem taking an OG, targeting the veteran LG, or even a Center. If we have the opportunity to get better....

MSR

Your words are much better than mine.

Hopefully Rick/Gary/Wade truly go BPA.

 

[Wolf6151]

The news about Nix surprises me as I thought he was leaving for certain. Kelly must have got him drunk and whispered in his ear. Nix almost left last year. I guess his Irish Chocolate followers convinced him to ride the wave of popularity. Wow. Jesse Williams an early guy for me has moved up & I just cannot get a good read on Sylvester. He has done well when I have focused on him but he turned 24 last month and I want to see if he can keep the weight off. He is quicker and looke good against Virginia. He also has a rep for taking plays off but I have not seen that. It is possible with Nix gone, if S.Williams has a good combine he will climb into late 20s. He is ranked 69. If I knew he would be there in second....

SHort has a rep for not playing 100% but I guess if he can his stats as he has he might be an option. This is same issue I have with Sylvester and not sure that type play translates to NFL. Whomever we draft at NT will have to play hard every play.

Here's how I evaluate the 3 guys remaining that fit our system, Jesse Williams, Sylvester Williams, and Kawann Short.

J. Williams, I see him as a guy with great strength who can hold the double teams or push a single blocker backwards and collapse the pocket though he's not a good penetrating NT because he lacks the athletic quickness. To me he's more of a traditional brickwall NT with good straight ahead speed but lacks lateral agility to make the tackle on plays that don't come right at him. Great strength, good straight line speed, poor lateral agility/quickness. He's #3 on my list.

S. Williams, I see him more as a 4-3 UT with great quickness, great swim move, great penetrating ability, lateral agility, speed, and athleticism, but he lacks some strength to hold up to double teams or collapse the pocket consistently. Luckily once he gets on an NFL strength and conditioning program he'll gain that core strength in his legs to anchor and hold up to double teams, but it might take a year. He's more of a quick penetrating NT, in our 1 gap system, that can pressure the QB. He's #2 on my list.

K. Short, he's a combo of the 2 Williams, he's got the strength in his core and legs to hold the double teams and collapse the pocket against single blockers. He's got enough quickness and lateral agility to penetrate and play the run and also has a 2nd gear when in the clear that he's got good speed and able to chase a play that doesn't come his way. S. Williams is better at penetrating, J. Williams is better at holding the LOS, while K. Short has got both skills and will get even better in an NFL program. Imagine a strong penetrating big nasty lined up next to JJ Watt, it would take 4 O-linemen to properly block them. He's #1 on my list.


As for taking plays off, I'm not to worried about it. 320 lbs. college linemen get winded and in college aren't in the best physical condition that they'll be in a year after getting drafted. The NFL level strength and conditioning programs will improve their stamina and I think our core players won't let rookies become slackers. With Watt in one ear and Antonio Smith in the other and Cushing behind him a rookie would be to scared not to give full effort.

On a personal note I sure hope Rick Smith can extend Antonio Smith 2-3 yrs. and lower his cap hit, he means so much to this team that most people don't see.

 

[TimeKiller]

My biggest needs in order are:
1-CB
2-RT
3-DT
4-ILB
5-WR
6-S
7-TE/FB
8-RB
9-OLB
10-LG

 

[steelbtexan]

Here's how I evaluate the 3 guys remaining that fit our system, Jesse Williams, Sylvester Williams, and Kawann Short.

J. Williams, I see him as a guy with great strength who can hold the double teams or push a single blocker backwards and collapse the pocket though he's not a good penetrating NT because he lacks the athletic quickness. To me he's more of a traditional brickwall NT with good straight ahead speed but lacks lateral agility to make the tackle on plays that don't come right at him. Great strength, good straight line speed, poor lateral agility/quickness. He's #3 on my list.

S. Williams, I see him more as a 4-3 UT with great quickness, great swim move, great penetrating ability, lateral agility, speed, and athleticism, but he lacks some strength to hold up to double teams or collapse the pocket consistently. Luckily once he gets on an NFL strength and conditioning program he'll gain that core strength in his legs to anchor and hold up to double teams, but it might take a year. He's more of a quick penetrating NT, in our 1 gap system, that can pressure the QB. He's #2 on my list.

K. Short, he's a combo of the 2 Williams, he's got the strength in his core and legs to hold the double teams and collapse the pocket against single blockers. He's got enough quickness and lateral agility to penetrate and play the run and also has a 2nd gear when in the clear that he's got good speed and able to chase a play that doesn't come his way. S. Williams is better at penetrating, J. Williams is better at holding the LOS, while K. Short has got both skills and will get even better in an NFL program. Imagine a strong penetrating big nasty lined up next to JJ Watt, it would take 4 O-linemen to properly block them. He's #1 on my list.


As for taking plays off, I'm not to worried about it. 320 lbs. college linemen get winded and in college aren't in the best physical condition that they'll be in a year after getting drafted. The NFL level strength and conditioning programs will improve their stamina and I think our core players won't let rookies become slackers. With Watt in one ear and Antonio Smith in the other and Cushing behind him a rookie would be to scared not to give full effort.

On a personal note I sure hope Rick Smith can extend Antonio Smith 2-3 yrs. and lower his cap hit, he means so much to this team that most people don't see.

Google Brandon Williams, he's #2 on my list. Big athletic guy who's only going to get better.

 

[aussie_texan]

Looks like you put some thought into your post. I've tried to mock a corner but don't see any after say mid second that thrills me. TBH I did not spend much time on college corners or safeties. Early I was going to follow U.Texas guys but that fizzled quickly. Any recommendations for late 2nd or after? I think Slay will do well at either.

Barwin, do we need an OLB that does not get to QB consistently at even a low contract? If Watt had turned out to be a normal DE, we would be a hurtin'. I say bye bye Connor and draft an OLB.

RB, if you can watch Cierre Wood when Notre Dame plays Alabama.

im having the same problem about the guys after the mid 2nd round. but 2 guys i have been looking at is Travis howard from Ohio and sanders commings from georgia. To bigger type CBs you fill run lanes well. both a little suspect when deep but in the short to middle areas are quite good. travis looks like around a 3-4th round while commings a 4-5th around pick.
Havnt seen slay play yet but have read a little about him could be intriguing.

barwin is a tough one i find it hard to get rid of a guy who was our leading sack getter last year. it will come down to what value you can get in the draft and how much he wants his contract to be.

i have watched ND a bit but i focus a lot on the defence, there offence apart from eifert is pretty meh. but ill look out for wood

 

[SAMURAITEXAN]

Best value(on Texans' board) player available NT, DE, ILB, OLB, OT, S positions in not particular order. Rick Smith seems to me always talk about value when they draft someone. Plus Wade's factor. Seems to me Wade has strong say in drafting player on early rounds. So, I think 1st rd goes to D as this will be Wade's second draft and he may need some more pieces of puzzle to make D more dominate. Remember, Wade had 4-3 guys and turned those players to 3-4 guys and he may want a few more 3-4 scheme suitable players from this draft. Just a thought.

 

[Wolf6151]

Google Brandon Williams, he's #2 on my list. Big athletic guy who's only going to get better.

I've heard his name batted around in here a few times and just got finished watching some video on him. He seems to have good size, good strength, decent straight ahead speed, but lacks lateral athleticism/agility. He looks raw and for an NFL prospect I would expect him to dominate at his level of college football but just didn't see it. Granted it was a small sampling of video but he never just dominated against lower level talent though other teams do seem to go away from him quite often. He does play the inside run very well. I could see him being a good draft pick in the late 3rd-5th round to a team that already has an established NT and someone that can afford to let him learn and grow as a player for a couple years. He does seem to have the basics and potential to be much better. Unfortunately I don't think the Texans have that luxury unless we double up on NT in the draft. With Cody most likely leaving in FA and Mitchell not capable of handling NT by himself, I think we have to take a NT early.

 

[beerlover]

it's tough picking this late to add starter quality to a team already well rounded. seems like most available now will need more practice/adjustment before PT (cb,nt) identifying bpa most ready to contribute will be a big factor even if not vaunted nt position which I was just about ready to wrap a big Texan bow on him & put under the Christmas tree.

Timekiller's list:
1-CB
2-RT
3-DT
4-ILB
5-WR
6-S
7-TE/FB
8-RB
9-OLB
10-LG

is a good list but it may be easier to find a need like #4 ILB in that late 1st early 2nd window? so would you circumvent hierarchy of needs & take Alec Ogletree, Gerogia ILB? as it shakes down he may be bpa, a player that could impact defense, next to Cushing solidify the ILB position.

 

[rmartin65]

Alec Ogletree? Alex Okafor is the Texas DE.

And as we have discussed in the PMs, I am a huge fan of Ogletree.

 

[steelbtexan]

I've heard his name batted around in here a few times and just got finished watching some video on him. He seems to have good size, good strength, decent straight ahead speed, but lacks lateral athleticism/agility. He looks raw and for an NFL prospect I would expect him to dominate at his level of college football but just didn't see it. Granted it was a small sampling of video but he never just dominated against lower level talent though other teams do seem to go away from him quite often. He does play the inside run very well. I could see him being a good draft pick in the late 3rd-5th round to a team that already has an established NT and someone that can afford to let him learn and grow as a player for a couple years. He does seem to have the basics and potential to be much better. Unfortunately I don't think the Texans have that luxury unless we double up on NT in the draft. With Cody most likely leaving in FA and Mitchell not capable of handling NT by himself, I think we have to take a NT early.

He can handle the 2 down run stopper role. He's got the ability to be so much more. Brandon can be a Jesse Williams type NT, maybe even better, he's got the ability. I can understand your concerns about drafting a small school guy and giving him such a prominent role right away. BTW, unlike alot of small school guys, Brandon Williams is also a high character guy, from what I've read.

 

[steelbtexan]

Alec Ogletree? Alex Okafor is the Texas DE.

And as we have discussed in the PMs, I am a huge fan of Ogletree.

I'm not a fan of Ogletree is an ILB. But he would be a fit at WOLB.

Ogletree reminds me of Danielle Ellerbe. A good player, will play for 10 yrs but not be a difference maker.

 

[rmartin65]

He can handle the 2 down run stopper role. He's got the ability to be so much more. Brandon can be a Jesse Williams type NT, maybe even better, he's got the ability. I can understand your concerns about drafting a small school guy and giving him such a prominent role right away. BTW, unlike alot of small school guys, Brandon Williams is also a high character guy, from what I've read.

Agree 100%

I'm not a fan of Ogletree is an ILB. But he would be a fit at WOLB.

Ogletree reminds me of Danielle Ellerbe. A good player, will play for 10 yrs but not be a difference maker.

Disagree 100%.

As I wrote in a PM to badboy and BL when trying to convince them of Ogletree's awesomeness "At 235 lbs Olgetree is a little light now... but he has a large frame. I think he could get to 245-250 without losing his athleticism. The dude is a playmaker, and great in coverage (used to be a safety). He can blitz, he can tackle, he can cover. Every time I watch Georgia he sticks out because he flat out makes plays."

I think Ogletree will be a fantastic playmaker.

This year (either his 2nd or 3rd playing ILB... in a 3-4 no less) he has 98 tackles, 8.5 TFL, 2 sacks, 1 INT, 5 breakups, and 6 hurries... in 9 games. He needs to get bigger, but I think he is perfect for the D.

 

[steelbtexan]

it's tough picking this late to add starter quality to a team already well rounded. seems like most available now will need more practice/adjustment before PT (cb,nt) identifying bpa most ready to contribute will be a big factor even if not vaunted nt position which I was just about ready to wrap a big Texan bow on him & put under the Christmas tree.

Timekiller's list:
1-CB
2-RT
3-DT
4-ILB
5-WR
6-S
7-TE/FB
8-RB
9-OLB
10-LG

is a good list but it may be easier to find a need like #4 ILB in that late 1st early 2nd window? so would you circumvent hierarchy of needs & take Alex Okafor, Gerogia ILB? as it shakes down he may be bpa, a player that could impact defense, next to Cushing solidify the ILB position.

I just hope they take BPA. If they do the pick should be Patterson or Williams.

 

[beerlover]

I'm not a fan of Ogletree is an ILB. But he would be a fit at WOLB.

Ogletree reminds me of Danielle Ellerbe. A good player, will play for 10 yrs but not be a difference maker.

not out of question for a top end linebacker to fit both inside or outside. Cushing was a DE @ USC then SAM LB. Started as a SAM LB for Texans in 4-3 then switched & found a home ILB in Wade Phillips 3-4.

 

[steelbtexan]

Agree 100%



Disagree 100%.

As I wrote in a PM to badboy and BL when trying to convince them of Ogletree's awesomeness "At 235 lbs Olgetree is a little light now... but he has a large frame. I think he could get to 245-250 without losing his athleticism. The dude is a playmaker, and great in coverage (used to be a safety). He can blitz, he can tackle, he can cover. Every time I watch Georgia he sticks out because he flat out makes plays."

I think Ogletree will be a fantastic playmaker.

This year (either his 2nd or 3rd playing ILB... in a 3-4 no less) he has 98 tackles, 8.5 TFL, 2 sacks, 1 INT, 5 breakups, and 6 hurries... in 9 games. He needs to get bigger, but I think he is perfect for the D.

I could be underrating him due to Alabama running the ball down Georgia's throat.

 

[rmartin65]

I could be underrating him due to Alabama running the ball down Georgia's throat.

Ha, Alabama runs the ball down everybody's throat.

 

[beerlover]

I could be underrating him due to Alabama running the ball down Georgia's throat.

exactly & who was there making those stops? Alec had 11 tackles, 9 solo with one tkl for loss. Jenkins had 6 tackles & one sack not bad for a nose against that great OL. Jarvis also had 6 tackles with two sacks.

 

[TimeKiller]

Timekiller's list:
1-CB
2-RT
3-DT
4-ILB
5-WR
6-S
7-TE/FB
8-RB
9-OLB
10-LG

is a good list but it may be easier to find a need like #4 ILB in that late 1st early 2nd window? so would you circumvent hierarchy of needs & take Alec Ogletree, Gerogia ILB? as it shakes down he may be bpa, a player that could impact defense, next to Cushing solidify the ILB position.

I just hope they take BPA.

x2 on the bpa. Lack of depth behind starting CBs, underwhelming options at nickel/dime, prevalence of spread offenses requiring nickel corners to play basically starting roles and the depth at ILB/NT isn't quite as dry as a position with a much higher impact on the game.

The only two teams to beat us? Spread offenses, great QBs. I would accept pass rusher as a need but the backend is just too thin. Teams that gave us trouble in victories? Lions? Spread 'em out. Jags? Tried to. Cutler&Marshall probably would've had a field day if not for the rain/sludge game.

 

[beerlover]

x2 on the bpa. Lack of depth behind starting CBs, underwhelming options at nickel/dime, prevalence of spread offenses requiring nickel corners to play basically starting roles and the depth at ILB/NT isn't quite as dry as a position with a much higher impact on the game.

The only two teams to beat us? Spread offenses, great QBs. I would accept pass rusher as a need but the backend is just too thin. Teams that gave us trouble in victories? Lions? Spread 'em out. Jags? Tried to. Cutler&Marshall probably would've had a field day if not for the rain/sludge game.

or because he was knocked out by a LB

 

[Rey]

If you improve the middle of this defense with an elite NT w/Cushing returning next season just how many points per game over 28 would be necessary?

With Kubiaks conservative nature I see them addressing ability to improve ball control/time of possession. In my last mock, after taking Jenkins I identified two OT's both bolstering right & left sides. As well ball control WR & blocking TE. Defensively, besides addressing nose also selected two stud LB's one inside Kiko Alonzo & one OLB in Whitney Mercilus teammate last season @ Illinois, Michael Buchanan who has ideal length 6'5" & is a bender with speed @ 245.

edit: nevermind Jenkins is returning for his Senior season @ Georgia http://blogs.ajc.com/uga-sports-blo...-senior-season/?cxntfid=blogs_uga_sports_blog

Good for Jenkins.

He is a guy that might actually be able to raise his draft status.

 

[Rey]

Olb is still high on my draft list. Ilb as well.

I wouldn't make any major changes to the mock I did at this point. I wouldn't mind taking a big time wr prospect, but I'm actually ok with what we have. Keshawn Martin is kind of a question mark to me though. I don't know if it's a fluke or what, but he seems to not be able to get open and he drops too many balls.

 

[76Texan]

I need a refresher on the Free Agency Period, any one?

 

[Exascor]

I need a refresher on the Free Agency Period, any one?

It starts in mid-March. I haven't seen a 2013 calender yet though. If I had to guess I'd say the 12th.

The draft is late April so I'd guess the 25th - 27th.

 

[Mr teX]

Yeah, i now think we need to go & get a tradtional NT in the 1st/2nd. I was on the bandwagon for a WR b/c i deferred to Wade's expertise saying that he could use whatever we had & turn the defense around - and he did that.

But it seems over the last few years all the blitzing we've done is b/c we're compensating for our inability to defend the run with just our front 7. The safeties have to be aggressive coming down hill to help out. & pretty much every time we've gotten beat this year and last, we've been hit on long passes for scores b/c our safeties have been to eager to come down & have been out of position.

SF was able to beat the Pats b/c they could defend the pats run game with thier front 7 and let their db's sit back and cover everything up. I don't know the percentage of teams that run the 3-4 vs. 4-3 but the way the league is going with all of these spread offenses & running qb's i think the 3-4 is about to make another return.

 

[mussop]

BPA at a position of need unless there is a player so good you can't pass him up.

I'm looking at ILB'S, DT'S and CB'S first with the above in mind.

I love Kawann Short and Sheldon Richardson. They are my early fav's for our first right now. Haven't seen any ILB's that I'm in love with in the first. There are A few I like in the second and third round. Never really pay much attention to secondary because its just to difficult to really scout them on tv.

 

[srrono]

I think 1st pick again will be a pass rusher. Could be a OLB,NT,DE or even a ILB with Pass rush skills all I know is Watt needs help with Pass rush.
then in no particular order:
OG our guards have been a disappointment
ILB depth and youth beside Cushing
DE eventual Smith replacement
S we may lose Quin
NT as we all know this is a weakness and could help Watt if a big NT takes up double teams
TE Daniels getting older - Casey a FA -

 

[badboy]

Darrius Slay has been moving up boards and has just accepted invitation to the combine. I now have him taken at one of our 5ths. CB/S

 

[steelbtexan]

BPA at a position of need unless there is a player so good you can't pass him up.

I'm looking at ILB'S, DT'S and CB'S first with the above in mind.

I love Kawann Short and Sheldon Richardson. They are my early fav's for our first right now. Haven't seen any ILB's that I'm in love with in the first. There are A few I like in the second and third round. Never really pay much attention to secondary because its just to difficult to really scout them on tv.

I'm all for BPA, It's quite obvious the offense stinks and keeping the offense on the field more would help the defense as much as anybody the Texans could pick at 27-32.

Good news is there will be a WR like Williams/Woods/Patterson available. Or an OL Like Oboushi/Cooper/Jones/Fluker or a QB like Bray/Barkley/Landry Jones should be there at 27-32. There appears to be more value on the offensive side of the ball late in the 1st rd.

 

[Corrosion]

The last six weeks of this season has definately changed my thoughts on the draft .... Six weeks ago , I was on board with a top draft pick at NT/DT , now that focus has shifted to fixing a broken OL where despite Wade Smith making a probowl appearance , I think at least three positions are lacking in LG , RG and RT.

Add to the above the fact that five of the Texans top eight defensive backs will be FA's .... There are also needs at OLB & ILB due to injury and looming free agency.

These positions ....would be my focus in both FA and draft moves , I'd also like to address QB but dont see how with Schaubs contract and not having a premium pick to work with.

NT / DT has almost fallen off the radar for me , below is how I'd rank the needs going into the FA period and the draft:

OG - At least one as neither position has been particularly strong the last third of the season.

RT - Newton has been solid in pass protection but pathetic in run and screen plays. I like him as a swing tackle , not a starter.

DB - Both S and CB with so many possible free agents , you can never have engough good DB's.

ILB - James was a stop gap for a year , the depth has been hurt with injuries , both Dobbins and James are FA's. Sharpton finishing a third consecutive season on IR.

OLB - Barwin's pending FA and the lack of production from the position overall. JJ Watt needs some help up front.


QB - This would be my primary need but with Schaubs contract , a team built to win now and no premium pick or means to move up to one , its just not logical. Need to look real hard at the scrap heap of FA to find a viable plan B should Schaub continue to falter.

 

[steelbtexan]

The last six weeks of this season has definately changed my thoughts on the draft .... Six weeks ago , I was on board with a top draft pick at NT/DT , now that focus has shifted to fixing a broken OL where despite Wade Smith making a probowl appearance , I think at least three positions are lacking in LG , RG and RT.

Add to the above the fact that five of the Texans top eight defensive backs will be FA's .... There are also needs at OLB & ILB due to injury and looming free agency.

These positions ....would be my focus in both FA and draft moves , I'd also like to address QB but dont see how with Schaubs contract and not having a premium pick to work with.

NT / DT has almost fallen off the radar for me , below is how I'd rank the needs going into the FA period and the draft:

OG - At least one as neither position has been particularly strong the last third of the season.

RT - Newton has been solid in pass protection but pathetic in run and screen plays. I like him as a swing tackle , not a starter.

DB - Both S and CB with so many possible free agents , you can never have engough good DB's.

ILB - James was a stop gap for a year , the depth has been hurt with injuries , both Dobbins and James are FA's. Sharpton finishing a third consecutive season on IR.

OLB - Barwin's pending FA and the lack of production from the position overall. JJ Watt needs some help up front.


QB - This would be my primary need but with Schaubs contract , a team built to win now and no premium pick or means to move up to one , its just not logical. Need to look real hard at the scrap heap of FA to find a viable plan B should Schaub continue to falter.

What do you think about using this yrs draft to fix the offense since the draft is deep on the offensive side of the ball. (Excluding QB) Then draft heavy on defense in 2014 since rookies can make an impact on defense more often than on offense. That would make the team more formidable.

Also how would you feel about Matt Flynn as a stop gap if Schaub cant get the job done? He ran the WC offense for the Packers. As an aside he's for Tyler. (Looking forward to seeing the Tyler Rose on Saturday)

What do you thnk about moving Barwin to ILB next yr? The thought of Cushing and Barwin appeals to me and the run defense would look much better.