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  1. YoungTexanFan

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    This isn't a mock draft. This is a big board. It has a lot of names on it. Some players I don't like at all (DeSean Jackson for instance). Other guys I like a lot. This is my big board, not the Texans, not some other teams. This took a lot of time and effort to put together. I'm sure I made some mistakes like putting a player twice, but have at it. Let me know what you think.

    1. Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
    2. Vernon Gholston, , DE, Ohio State
    3. Chris Long, DE, Virginia
    4. Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
    5. Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
    6. Keith Rivers, LB, USC
    7. Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
    8. Quentin Groves, DE/LB, Auburn
    9. Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
    10. Branden Albert, G/T, Virginia
    11. Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
    12. Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
    13. Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
    14. Jake Long, OT, Michigan
    15. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State
    16. James Hardy, WR, Indiana
    17. Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida
    18. Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College
    19. Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
    20. Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas
    21. Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
    22. Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
    23. Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
    24. Kentwan Balmer, DL, North Carolina
    25. Chad Henne, QB, Michigan
    26. Lawrence Jackson, DE/LB, USC
    27. Jerod Mayo, LB, Tennessee
    28. Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware
    29. Chris Johnson, RB, East Carolina
    30. Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
    31. Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona
    32. Ray Rice, RB, Rutgers
    33. Clifford Avril, DE/LB, Purdue
    34. Sam Baker, OL, USC
    35. Tyrell Johnson, S, Arkansas State
    36. Kenny Phillips, S, Miami (Fla.)
    37. Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas
    38. Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (Fla.)
    39. Jamaal Charles, RB, Texas
    40. Dan Connor, LB, Penn State
    41. Fred Davis, TE, USC
    42. John Carlson, TE, Notre Dame
    43. Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech
    44. Martellus Bennett, TE, Texas A&M
    45. Kevin Smith, RB, Central Florida
    46. Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana
    47. Chris Ellis, DE/LB, Virginia Tech
    48. Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
    49. Curtis Lofton, LB, Oklahoma
    50. Pat Sims, DT, Auburn
    51. Marcus Harrison, DT, Arkansas
    52. Patrick Lee, CB, Auburn
    53. Erin Henderson, LB, Maryland
    54. Chilo Rachal, G, USC
    55. Jeremy Zuttah, G, Rutgers
    56. Matthew Forte, RB, Tulane
    57. Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
    58. Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State
    59. Brad Cottam, TE, Tennessee
    60. DeSean Jackson, WR, California
    61. DaJuan Morgan, S, N.C. State
    62. Justin King, CB, Penn State
    63. Phillip Wheeler, OLB/ILB, Georgia Tech
    64. Trevor Laws, DL, Notre Dame
    65. Dexter Jackson, WR/KR, Appalachian State
    66. Carl Nicks, OL, Nebraska
    67. Reggie Smith, S, Oklahoma
    68. Anthonty Collins, OL, Kansas
    69. Charles Godfrey, CB, Iowa
    70. John Greco, OL, Toledo
    71. Josha Barrett, S, Arizona State
    72. Jordon Dizon, LB, Colorado
    73. Thomas DeCoud, S, California
    74. Duane Brown, OL, Virginia Tech
    75. Oniel Cousins, OL, UTEP
    76. Tashard Choice, RB, Georgia Tech
    77. Dre Moore, DL, Maryland
    78. Dustin Keller, TE, Purdue
    79. Donnie Avery, WR, Houston
    80. Mike Pollak, OL, Arizona State
    81. Early Doucet, WR, LSU
    82. Terrell Thomas, CB, USC
    83. Marcus Monk, WR, Arkansas
    84. Andre Caldwell, WR, Florida
    85. Antwaun Molden, CB, Eastern Kentucky
    86. Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky
    87. Trae Williams, CB, South Florida
    88. Bryan Kehl, OLB, BYU
    89. Mike McGlynn, G/OT, Pittsburgh
    90. Earl Bennett, WR, Vanderbilt
    91. Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M
    92. Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia
    93. Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan
    94. Tavares Gooden, LB, Miami (Fla.)
    95. Xavier Adibi, OLB, Virginia Tech
    96. DJ Hall, WR, Alabama
    97. DeJuan Tribble, CB, Boston College
    98. Tyvon Branch, CB, Connecticut
    99. Chicago - Chevis Jackson, CB, LSU
    100. Quinton Demps, S, UTEP
    101. Erik Ainge, QB, Tennessee
    102. Barry Richardson, OT, Clemson
    103. Jerome Simpson, WR, Coastal Carolina
    104. Darnell Terrell, CB, Missouri
    105. Justin Forsett, RB, Cal
    106. Dwight Lowery, CB, San Jose St.
    107. Tony Hills, OT, Texas
    108. Eddie Royal, WR/KR, Virginia Tech
    109. Martin Rucker, TE, Missouri
    110. Roy Schuening, G, Oregon St.
    111. Jason Jones, DE, Michigan
    112. Jermichael Finley, TE, Texas
    113. Jeremy Thompson, DE/OLB, Wake Forest
    114. Lavelle Hawkins, WR, Cal
    115. Orlando Scandrick, CB, Boise St.
    116. Geno Hayes, OLB, Florida St.
    117. Josh Johnson, QB, San Diego
    118. King Dunlap, OT, Auburn
    119. Steve Justice, C, Wake Forest
    120. Owen Schmitt, FB, West Virginia
    121. John Sullivan, C, Notre Dame
    122. Kendall Langford, DE, Hampton
    123. Jonathan Goff, ILB, Vanderbilt
    124. Taylor Mehlhaff, K, Wisconsin
    125. Frank Okam, DT, Texas
    126. Peyton Hillis, FB, Arkansas
    127. Kevin O’Connell, QB, San Diego St.
    128. Jonathan Zenon, CB, LSU
    129. Ahtyba Rubin, DT, Iowa St.
    130. Adarius Bowman, WR, Oklahoma St.
    131. Darrell Robertson, DE, Georgia Tech
    132. Shawn Crable, OLB, Michigan
    133. Eric Young, G, Tennessee
    134. Bruce Davis, DE/OLB, UCLA
    135. Marcus Griffin, S, Texas
    136. Robert Felton, G, Arkansas
    137. Mario Urrutia, WR, Louisville
    138. Maurice Purify, WR, Nebraska
    139. Arizona - Craig Steltz, S, LSU
    140. Tommy Blake, DE/OLB, TCU
    141. Zak Bowman, CB, Nebraska
    142. Marcus Howard, DE/OLB, Georgia
    143. Jack Ikegwuonu, CB, Wisconsin
    144. Fernando Velasco, G/C, Georgia
    145. Simeon Castille, S, Alabama
    146. Allen Patrick, RB, Oklahoma
    147. Durant Brooks, P, Georgia Tech
    148. Dantrell Savage, RB/KR, Oklahoma State
    149. DeMario Pressley, DT, N.C. State
    150. Paul Smith, QB, Tulsa
     
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    Dang it. Give me a minute.

    Edit: Fixed. More players shuffled accordingly.
     
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    No opposition to the top of the board? No one argues Long as the 14th best player or Ellis as the top player? Is the post just too big?
     
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    just surmised too much time with the cat :love:
     
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    Honoring Earl 34 Hey Koolaid

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    You took some risks but that's good .

    I can see Long dropping ... but to #14 the Dolphins would be silly .

    I've never went gaga over Ryans this is shades of 2002 .

    Groves has a little heart issue and I don't mean courage .
     
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    It's definitely different from what I've seen other people putting out there.

    I like that you have Brohm ahead of Ryan. I remember hearing that a lot before all the pre-draft stuff.

    I'm surprised that Dorsey is at #13. I was thinking he was the best player in the draft.

    Looks like you did your work, though, for sure.
     
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    Surprised to see Ellis #1.

    I do think Brohm has more upside then Ryan but Ryan seems more NFL ready. Bad year to be looking for a QB. Woodson might be a sleeper for someone.
     


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    yea both are pretty ridiculous, you're right.
     
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    no it's not worth arguing over. Earl loves Ellis @ 1 that's for sure.
     
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    DT
    A good group at the top with the best overall player. A few sleepers at the end as well in Okam and Pressley. We could more than a half dozen starters from this group in the coming years.

    1. Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
    13. Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
    24. Kentwan Balmer, DT, North Carolina
    50. Pat Sims, DT, Auburn
    51. Marcus Harrison, DT, Arkansas
    64. Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame
    77. Dre Moore, DT, Maryland
    91. Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M
    125. Frank Okam, DT, Texas
    129. Ahtyba Rubin, DT, Iowa St.
    149. DeMario Pressley, DT, N.C. State


    DE
    I placed all of the DE/OLB players here until a team officially transitions them to OLB, as many could be drafted as rush ends. This is easily the best/deepest position in the draft. 5 potential first rounders and some early second rounders likely as well. We see there is good depth, even from some smaller schools.

    2. Vernon Gholston, , DE, Ohio State
    3. Chris Long, DE, Virginia
    5. Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
    8. Quentin Groves, DE/LB, Auburn
    23. Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
    26. Lawrence Jackson, DE/LB, USC
    33. Clifford Avril, DE/LB, Purdue
    38. Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (Fla.)
    47. Chris Ellis, DE/LB, Virginia Tech
    111. Jason Jones, DE, Michigan
    113. Jeremy Thompson, DE/OLB, Wake Forest
    122. Kendall Langford, DE, Hampton
    131. Darrell Robertson, DE, Georgia Tech
    134. Bruce Davis, DE/OLB, UCLA
    140. Tommy Blake, DE/OLB, TCU
    142. Marcus Howard, DE/OLB, Georgia


    RB
    McFadden and Mendenhall battle it out for the top spot, but McFadden wins out on talent. I didn't mean to leave Stewart out, but he would slide into a spot between Rice and Jones. This group has some productive guys in the middle rounds and some potential late round sleepers. Slaton and Patrick should garner looks from the Texans.

    4. Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
    9. Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
    29. Chris Johnson, RB, East Carolina
    32. Ray Rice, RB, Rutgers
    37. Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas
    39. Jamaal Charles, RB, Texas
    45. Kevin Smith, RB, Central Florida
    56. Matthew Forte, RB, Tulane
    76. Tashard Choice, RB, Georgia Tech
    92. Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia
    105. Justin Forsett, RB, Cal
    146. Allen Patrick, RB, Oklahoma
    148. Dantrell Savage, RB/KR, Oklahoma State


    FB
    While the FB class isn't extremely deep this year, both of these guys have pro-bowl ability. Both have great pedigrees. Schmitt is a smash-mouth lead blocker. Hillis can be used as a motion back a lot because of his versatility.

    120. Owen Schmitt, FB, West Virginia
    126. Peyton Hillis, FB, Arkansas


    LB
    The LB talent drops off significantly after Mayo. In the later rounds we see a lot of guys with very good career production but lacking in some ideal measurable. The LB class for next year looks really good at the top at least.

    6. Keith Rivers, LB, USC
    27. Jerod Mayo, LB, Tennessee
    40. Dan Connor, LB, Penn State
    49. Curtis Lofton, LB, Oklahoma
    53. Erin Henderson, LB, Maryland
    63. Phillip Wheeler, OLB/ILB, Georgia Tech
    72. Jordon Dizon, LB, Colorado
    88. Bryan Kehl, OLB, BYU
    94. Tavares Gooden, LB, Miami (Fla.)
    95. Xavier Adibi, OLB, Virginia Tech
    116. Geno Hayes, OLB, Florida St.
    123. Jonathan Goff, ILB, Vanderbilt
    132. Shawn Crable, OLB, Michigan


    OT
    The signed #1 overall draft pick isn't even the best at his position as he will likely spend much of his career on the right side. Clady and Albert seem to be the best of the class with fast rising Gosder Cherilus potentially overtaking Long before the draft. Towards the bottom of this list, we see some project OT's like Duane Brown and Cousins. This is a very good class, with likely 6 OT's going in the opening round.

    7. Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
    10. Branden Albert, G/T, Virginia
    14. Jake Long, OT, Michigan
    18. Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College
    21. Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
    22. Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
    34. Sam Baker, OL, USC
    66. Carl Nicks, OL, Nebraska
    68. Anthonty Collins, OL, Kansas
    70. John Greco, OL, Toledo
    74. Duane Brown, OL, Virginia Tech
    75. Oniel Cousins, OL, UTEP
    102. Barry Richardson, OT, Clemson
    107. Tony Hills, OT, Texas
    118. King Dunlap, OT, Auburn


    OG
    The guards in this years draft are really lacking, especially since the best one is considered a LT prospect. A solid group, but nothing more than an average starter likely.

    54. Chilo Rachal, G, USC
    55. Jeremy Zuttah, G, Rutgers
    89. Mike McGlynn, G/OT, Pittsburgh
    110. Roy Schuening, G, Oregon St.
    133. Eric Young, G, Tennessee
    136. Robert Felton, G, Arkansas


    C
    The two best centers stayed in college for their senior years. They are Jonathan Luigs from Arkansas and Alex Mac from Cal. Luigs is the best center in the nation and Mac is right behind him. This year's class doesn't offer anything too special. Pollak will probably go higher but he isn't worth much more. Velasco might have to slide to OG, but he helped anchor a young offensive line at Georgia. These guys will be mostly depth guys in the NFL.

    80. Mike Pollak, OL, Arizona State
    119. Steve Justice, C, Wake Forest
    121. John Sullivan, C, Notre Dame
    144. Fernando Velasco, C/G, Georgia


    QB
    A weak QB class overall with not a lot of hope for next season either. Brohm is steady and controlled, the best QB. Ryan is a cerebral QB but he threw far too many interceptions against ACC opponents to be handed the top spot or a starting gig initially. Woodson has as much potential as any QB but will need to quicken his release significantly to reduce "Lefty" syndrome. Henne and Flacco could surprise people if they aren't thrust onto the field. The bottom of the list comprises of some project QB's with very good upside, especially Johnson.

    11. Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
    19. Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
    25. Chad Henne, QB, Michigan
    28. Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware
    86. Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky
    101. Erik Ainge, QB, Tennessee
    117. Josh Johnson, QB, San Diego
    127. Kevin O’Connell, QB, San Diego St.
    150. Paul Smith, QB, Tulsa



    CB
    One of the deepest positions in the draft, but very top loaded. McKelvin - Cason figure to be solid NFL players if not better, which is a phenomenal group itself. I think Porter has good potential sooner rather than later. Towards the middle we see guys who have athletic ability enough to play, but haven't really put everything together yet. The bottom of the list is comprised of some injury concerns with a potentially high reward. Bowman is one of my favorite sleeper choices.

    12. Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
    15. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State
    17. Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida
    20. Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas
    31. Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona
    43. Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech
    46. Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana
    52. Patrick Lee, CB, Auburn
    62. Justin King, CB, Penn State
    69. Charles Godfrey, CB, Iowa
    82. Terrell Thomas, CB, USC
    85. Antwaun Molden, CB, Eastern Kentucky
    87. Trae Williams, CB, South Florida
    97. DeJuan Tribble, CB, Boston College
    98. Tyvon Branch, CB, Connecticut
    99. Chicago - Chevis Jackson, CB, LSU
    104. Darnell Terrell, CB, Missouri
    106. Dwight Lowery, CB, San Jose St.
    115. Orlando Scandrick, CB, Boise St.
    128. Jonathan Zenon, CB, LSU
    141. Zak Bowman, CB, Nebraska
    143. Jack Ikegwuonu, CB, Wisconsin



    WR
    Hardy is the best WR in the class and Malcom Kelly should be a productive player. I don't see Thomas becoming a #1 WR, and I don't see Sweed or Jackson doing much of anything. Jackson and Avery have elite speed, and will both likely double as return men early on to secure a spot. Monk has elite size at the WR spot but has some injury concerns, still I like him a lot. Purify is perhaps a top 5 favorite WR in this class for me. I think he will be a very productive WR who could sneak into a pro-bowl or two in his career.

    16. James Hardy, WR, Indiana
    30. Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
    48. Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
    57. Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
    58. Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State
    60. DeSean Jackson, WR, California
    65. Dexter Jackson, WR/KR, Appalachian State
    79. Donnie Avery, WR, Houston
    81. Early Doucet, WR, LSU
    83. Marcus Monk, WR, Arkansas
    84. Andre Caldwell, WR, Florida
    90. Earl Bennett, WR, Vanderbilt
    93. Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan
    96. DJ Hall, WR, Alabama
    103. Jerome Simpson, WR, Coastal Carolina
    108. Eddie Royal, WR/KR, Virginia Tech
    114. Lavelle Hawkins, WR, Cal
    130. Adarius Bowman, WR, Oklahoma St.
    137. Mario Urrutia, WR, Louisville
    138. Maurice Purify, WR, Nebraska


    S
    I grouped both FS and SS prospects together because this group is that sad. Johnson and Phillips have the physical ability but haven't but it together consistently. Reggie Smith is a dark horse, while at the bottom Castille is a low risk/high reward guy.

    35. Tyrell Johnson, S, Arkansas State
    36. Kenny Phillips, S, Miami (Fla.)
    61. DaJuan Morgan, S, N.C. State
    67. Reggie Smith, S, Oklahoma
    71. Josha Barrett, S, Arizona State
    73. Thomas DeCoud, S, California
    100. Quinton Demps, S, UTEP
    135. Marcus Griffin, S, Texas
    139. Craig Steltz, S, LSU
    145. Simeon Castille, S, Alabama



    This class features a good collection of receiving TE's. Davis is faster than he timed. Carlson is most only real "complete" TE and Cottam has the potential to join him there as well. Bennett is the most athletic but going to aTm hurt his stock. He will surprise a lot of people with his athletic ability if a team finds a way to put the ball in his hands. Cottam could potentially project as a LT for some teams.

    41. Fred Davis, TE, USC
    42. John Carlson, TE, Notre Dame
    44. Martellus Bennett, TE, Texas A&M
    59. Brad Cottam, TE, Tennessee
    78. Dustin Keller, TE, Purdue
    109. Martin Rucker, TE, Missouri
    112. Jermichael Finley, TE, Texas



    Specialties
    There is no Mike Nuggent or great place kicker in this years draft. Brooks may not be the best punter, but it is close between him and North Dakota State's Mike Dragosavich who has the best leg of the punters by a decent margin.

    124. Taylor Mehlhaff, K, Wisconsin
    147. Durant Brooks, P, Georgia Tech
     
  12. YoungTexanFan

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    I don't really rely much on the work of others, and in no way to I copy their information. I think Brohm will be a better QB, and it will only help that he is likely to get drafted to a team that can let him "compete" initially but sit him for a year.

    I see Dorsey as an injury concern and with not too much potential left. Yeah, he is a good pro, but he isn't an elite pro. He will have a bigger impact early than some other DT's, but he will level out shortly.

    I appreciate you looking through it and I'm glad to contribute to the draft discussion.
     
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    I think he is just as NFL ready as Dorsey with less injury concern and more potential. He is also very adept at getting into the backfield for a DT, similar to Okoye and to a lesser extent Sapp. He has everything Dorsey has, including pedigree. In my other post, I did mention Woodson as a top sleeper choice.
     
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    Honoring Earl 34 Hey Koolaid

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    On my mock I read Dorsey was rated at the 3rd overall prospect on some draftsites . Ellis was rated 5th overall . If Atlanta was going to take a DT rated the 3rd top player ... why would'nt they take the 5th top player . I figured Ellis would help Jamaal Anderson the 8th player picked last year .
     
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    Either one of those two players would be a great addition to their line. You would likely see a big increase in production from Anderson, similar to Mario when we added Okoye. I think Dorsey might actually be the better fit in Atlanta though because he has a tendancy to clog the gap as opposed to Ellis who looks to quickly penetrate the gap more often. Dorsey may help take more pressure off of Anderson than Ellis would. Ellis is the better player by himself, but when put into the Atlanta situation you mention, Dorsey is probably the better choice for them. They can't really go wrong, but Dorsey would fit a little better.
     
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    What do you think of Quentin Groves? I'm sure a bunch of Texans fans would probably go crazy if we drafted another D-lineman in the first round, but its still a need. Would he fit in nicely opposite Mario?
     
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    the only thing Ellis has over Dorsey is the lack of injury concerns. Dorseys don't come around very often.
     
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    I have him as a top 10 player on this big board. I think he could play DE in the 4-3. He will have to work on his size, and likely start out as more of a situational rusher in that case, but he just flies off the LOS and would be a great DE to put opposite of Mario who is a "complete" DE. Mario could stay on the left side, going against RT's, while Groves would play RDE which is generally the pass-rushing spot. He could become as scary as Freeny off the edge on the right side of our line.
     
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    Okoye was a better prospect last year than Dorsey is this year. Dorsey has a limited upside. He will be an instant starter and a good NFL player, but Ellis has more potential and is better at penetrating.
     
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    Honoring Earl 34 Hey Koolaid

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    I heard the Rams are'nt keen on Long . This may be some kinda ploy but I've read where they like Dorsey .

    Some teams think Chris Long's greatest strength is his effort . There is the theory going around that he can't get much better .

    Was'nt Ellis a man amongst boys at the senior bowl this year ?
     

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