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This isn't a mock draft. This is a big board. It has a lot of names on it. Some players I don't like at all (DeSean Jackson for instance). Other guys I like a lot. This is my big board, not the Texans, not some other teams. This took a lot of time and effort to put together. I'm sure I made some mistakes like putting a player twice, but have at it. Let me know what you think.

1. Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
2. Vernon Gholston, , DE, Ohio State
3. Chris Long, DE, Virginia
4. Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
5. Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
6. Keith Rivers, LB, USC
7. Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
8. Quentin Groves, DE/LB, Auburn
9. Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
10. Branden Albert, G/T, Virginia
11. Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
12. Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
13. Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
14. Jake Long, OT, Michigan
15. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State
16. James Hardy, WR, Indiana
17. Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida
18. Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College
19. Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
20. Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas
21. Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
22. Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
23. Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
24. Kentwan Balmer, DL, North Carolina
25. Chad Henne, QB, Michigan
26. Lawrence Jackson, DE/LB, USC
27. Jerod Mayo, LB, Tennessee
28. Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware
29. Chris Johnson, RB, East Carolina
30. Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
31. Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona
32. Ray Rice, RB, Rutgers
33. Clifford Avril, DE/LB, Purdue
34. Sam Baker, OL, USC
35. Tyrell Johnson, S, Arkansas State
36. Kenny Phillips, S, Miami (Fla.)
37. Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas
38. Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (Fla.)
39. Jamaal Charles, RB, Texas
40. Dan Connor, LB, Penn State
41. Fred Davis, TE, USC
42. John Carlson, TE, Notre Dame
43. Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech
44. Martellus Bennett, TE, Texas A&M
45. Kevin Smith, RB, Central Florida
46. Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana
47. Chris Ellis, DE/LB, Virginia Tech
48. Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
49. Curtis Lofton, LB, Oklahoma
50. Pat Sims, DT, Auburn
51. Marcus Harrison, DT, Arkansas
52. Patrick Lee, CB, Auburn
53. Erin Henderson, LB, Maryland
54. Chilo Rachal, G, USC
55. Jeremy Zuttah, G, Rutgers
56. Matthew Forte, RB, Tulane
57. Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
58. Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State
59. Brad Cottam, TE, Tennessee
60. DeSean Jackson, WR, California
61. DaJuan Morgan, S, N.C. State
62. Justin King, CB, Penn State
63. Phillip Wheeler, OLB/ILB, Georgia Tech
64. Trevor Laws, DL, Notre Dame
65. Dexter Jackson, WR/KR, Appalachian State
66. Carl Nicks, OL, Nebraska
67. Reggie Smith, S, Oklahoma
68. Anthonty Collins, OL, Kansas
69. Charles Godfrey, CB, Iowa
70. John Greco, OL, Toledo
71. Josha Barrett, S, Arizona State
72. Jordon Dizon, LB, Colorado
73. Thomas DeCoud, S, California
74. Duane Brown, OL, Virginia Tech
75. Oniel Cousins, OL, UTEP
76. Tashard Choice, RB, Georgia Tech
77. Dre Moore, DL, Maryland
78. Dustin Keller, TE, Purdue
79. Donnie Avery, WR, Houston
80. Mike Pollak, OL, Arizona State
81. Early Doucet, WR, LSU
82. Terrell Thomas, CB, USC
83. Marcus Monk, WR, Arkansas
84. Andre Caldwell, WR, Florida
85. Antwaun Molden, CB, Eastern Kentucky
86. Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky
87. Trae Williams, CB, South Florida
88. Bryan Kehl, OLB, BYU
89. Mike McGlynn, G/OT, Pittsburgh
90. Earl Bennett, WR, Vanderbilt
91. Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M
92. Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia
93. Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan
94. Tavares Gooden, LB, Miami (Fla.)
95. Xavier Adibi, OLB, Virginia Tech
96. DJ Hall, WR, Alabama
97. DeJuan Tribble, CB, Boston College
98. Tyvon Branch, CB, Connecticut
99. Chicago - Chevis Jackson, CB, LSU
100. Quinton Demps, S, UTEP
101. Erik Ainge, QB, Tennessee
102. Barry Richardson, OT, Clemson
103. Jerome Simpson, WR, Coastal Carolina
104. Darnell Terrell, CB, Missouri
105. Justin Forsett, RB, Cal
106. Dwight Lowery, CB, San Jose St.
107. Tony Hills, OT, Texas
108. Eddie Royal, WR/KR, Virginia Tech
109. Martin Rucker, TE, Missouri
110. Roy Schuening, G, Oregon St.
111. Jason Jones, DE, Michigan
112. Jermichael Finley, TE, Texas
113. Jeremy Thompson, DE/OLB, Wake Forest
114. Lavelle Hawkins, WR, Cal
115. Orlando Scandrick, CB, Boise St.
116. Geno Hayes, OLB, Florida St.
117. Josh Johnson, QB, San Diego
118. King Dunlap, OT, Auburn
119. Steve Justice, C, Wake Forest
120. Owen Schmitt, FB, West Virginia
121. John Sullivan, C, Notre Dame
122. Kendall Langford, DE, Hampton
123. Jonathan Goff, ILB, Vanderbilt
124. Taylor Mehlhaff, K, Wisconsin
125. Frank Okam, DT, Texas
126. Peyton Hillis, FB, Arkansas
127. Kevin O’Connell, QB, San Diego St.
128. Jonathan Zenon, CB, LSU
129. Ahtyba Rubin, DT, Iowa St.
130. Adarius Bowman, WR, Oklahoma St.
131. Darrell Robertson, DE, Georgia Tech
132. Shawn Crable, OLB, Michigan
133. Eric Young, G, Tennessee
134. Bruce Davis, DE/OLB, UCLA
135. Marcus Griffin, S, Texas
136. Robert Felton, G, Arkansas
137. Mario Urrutia, WR, Louisville
138. Maurice Purify, WR, Nebraska
139. Arizona - Craig Steltz, S, LSU
140. Tommy Blake, DE/OLB, TCU
141. Zak Bowman, CB, Nebraska
142. Marcus Howard, DE/OLB, Georgia
143. Jack Ikegwuonu, CB, Wisconsin
144. Fernando Velasco, G/C, Georgia
145. Simeon Castille, S, Alabama
146. Allen Patrick, RB, Oklahoma
147. Durant Brooks, P, Georgia Tech
148. Dantrell Savage, RB/KR, Oklahoma State
149. DeMario Pressley, DT, N.C. State
150. Paul Smith, QB, Tulsa
 
No opposition to the top of the board? No one argues Long as the 14th best player or Ellis as the top player? Is the post just too big?
 
You took some risks but that's good .

I can see Long dropping ... but to #14 the Dolphins would be silly .

I've never went gaga over Ryans this is shades of 2002 .

Groves has a little heart issue and I don't mean courage .
 
It's definitely different from what I've seen other people putting out there.

I like that you have Brohm ahead of Ryan. I remember hearing that a lot before all the pre-draft stuff.

I'm surprised that Dorsey is at #13. I was thinking he was the best player in the draft.

Looks like you did your work, though, for sure.
 
Surprised to see Ellis #1.

I do think Brohm has more upside then Ryan but Ryan seems more NFL ready. Bad year to be looking for a QB. Woodson might be a sleeper for someone.
 
DT
A good group at the top with the best overall player. A few sleepers at the end as well in Okam and Pressley. We could more than a half dozen starters from this group in the coming years.
1. Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
13. Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
24. Kentwan Balmer, DT, North Carolina
50. Pat Sims, DT, Auburn
51. Marcus Harrison, DT, Arkansas
64. Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame
77. Dre Moore, DT, Maryland
91. Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M
125. Frank Okam, DT, Texas
129. Ahtyba Rubin, DT, Iowa St.
149. DeMario Pressley, DT, N.C. State


DE
I placed all of the DE/OLB players here until a team officially transitions them to OLB, as many could be drafted as rush ends. This is easily the best/deepest position in the draft. 5 potential first rounders and some early second rounders likely as well. We see there is good depth, even from some smaller schools.
2. Vernon Gholston, , DE, Ohio State
3. Chris Long, DE, Virginia
5. Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
8. Quentin Groves, DE/LB, Auburn
23. Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
26. Lawrence Jackson, DE/LB, USC
33. Clifford Avril, DE/LB, Purdue
38. Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (Fla.)
47. Chris Ellis, DE/LB, Virginia Tech
111. Jason Jones, DE, Michigan
113. Jeremy Thompson, DE/OLB, Wake Forest
122. Kendall Langford, DE, Hampton
131. Darrell Robertson, DE, Georgia Tech
134. Bruce Davis, DE/OLB, UCLA
140. Tommy Blake, DE/OLB, TCU
142. Marcus Howard, DE/OLB, Georgia


RB
McFadden and Mendenhall battle it out for the top spot, but McFadden wins out on talent. I didn't mean to leave Stewart out, but he would slide into a spot between Rice and Jones. This group has some productive guys in the middle rounds and some potential late round sleepers. Slaton and Patrick should garner looks from the Texans.
4. Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
9. Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
29. Chris Johnson, RB, East Carolina
32. Ray Rice, RB, Rutgers
37. Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas
39. Jamaal Charles, RB, Texas
45. Kevin Smith, RB, Central Florida
56. Matthew Forte, RB, Tulane
76. Tashard Choice, RB, Georgia Tech
92. Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia
105. Justin Forsett, RB, Cal
146. Allen Patrick, RB, Oklahoma
148. Dantrell Savage, RB/KR, Oklahoma State


FB
While the FB class isn't extremely deep this year, both of these guys have pro-bowl ability. Both have great pedigrees. Schmitt is a smash-mouth lead blocker. Hillis can be used as a motion back a lot because of his versatility.
120. Owen Schmitt, FB, West Virginia
126. Peyton Hillis, FB, Arkansas


LB
The LB talent drops off significantly after Mayo. In the later rounds we see a lot of guys with very good career production but lacking in some ideal measurable. The LB class for next year looks really good at the top at least.
6. Keith Rivers, LB, USC
27. Jerod Mayo, LB, Tennessee
40. Dan Connor, LB, Penn State
49. Curtis Lofton, LB, Oklahoma
53. Erin Henderson, LB, Maryland
63. Phillip Wheeler, OLB/ILB, Georgia Tech
72. Jordon Dizon, LB, Colorado
88. Bryan Kehl, OLB, BYU
94. Tavares Gooden, LB, Miami (Fla.)
95. Xavier Adibi, OLB, Virginia Tech
116. Geno Hayes, OLB, Florida St.
123. Jonathan Goff, ILB, Vanderbilt
132. Shawn Crable, OLB, Michigan


OT
The signed #1 overall draft pick isn't even the best at his position as he will likely spend much of his career on the right side. Clady and Albert seem to be the best of the class with fast rising Gosder Cherilus potentially overtaking Long before the draft. Towards the bottom of this list, we see some project OT's like Duane Brown and Cousins. This is a very good class, with likely 6 OT's going in the opening round.
7. Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
10. Branden Albert, G/T, Virginia
14. Jake Long, OT, Michigan
18. Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College
21. Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
22. Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
34. Sam Baker, OL, USC
66. Carl Nicks, OL, Nebraska
68. Anthonty Collins, OL, Kansas
70. John Greco, OL, Toledo
74. Duane Brown, OL, Virginia Tech
75. Oniel Cousins, OL, UTEP
102. Barry Richardson, OT, Clemson
107. Tony Hills, OT, Texas
118. King Dunlap, OT, Auburn


OG
The guards in this years draft are really lacking, especially since the best one is considered a LT prospect. A solid group, but nothing more than an average starter likely.
54. Chilo Rachal, G, USC
55. Jeremy Zuttah, G, Rutgers
89. Mike McGlynn, G/OT, Pittsburgh
110. Roy Schuening, G, Oregon St.
133. Eric Young, G, Tennessee
136. Robert Felton, G, Arkansas


C
The two best centers stayed in college for their senior years. They are Jonathan Luigs from Arkansas and Alex Mac from Cal. Luigs is the best center in the nation and Mac is right behind him. This year's class doesn't offer anything too special. Pollak will probably go higher but he isn't worth much more. Velasco might have to slide to OG, but he helped anchor a young offensive line at Georgia. These guys will be mostly depth guys in the NFL.
80. Mike Pollak, OL, Arizona State
119. Steve Justice, C, Wake Forest
121. John Sullivan, C, Notre Dame
144. Fernando Velasco, C/G, Georgia


QB
A weak QB class overall with not a lot of hope for next season either. Brohm is steady and controlled, the best QB. Ryan is a cerebral QB but he threw far too many interceptions against ACC opponents to be handed the top spot or a starting gig initially. Woodson has as much potential as any QB but will need to quicken his release significantly to reduce "Lefty" syndrome. Henne and Flacco could surprise people if they aren't thrust onto the field. The bottom of the list comprises of some project QB's with very good upside, especially Johnson.
11. Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
19. Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
25. Chad Henne, QB, Michigan
28. Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware
86. Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky
101. Erik Ainge, QB, Tennessee
117. Josh Johnson, QB, San Diego
127. Kevin O’Connell, QB, San Diego St.
150. Paul Smith, QB, Tulsa



CB
One of the deepest positions in the draft, but very top loaded. McKelvin - Cason figure to be solid NFL players if not better, which is a phenomenal group itself. I think Porter has good potential sooner rather than later. Towards the middle we see guys who have athletic ability enough to play, but haven't really put everything together yet. The bottom of the list is comprised of some injury concerns with a potentially high reward. Bowman is one of my favorite sleeper choices.
12. Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
15. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State
17. Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida
20. Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas
31. Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona
43. Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech
46. Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana
52. Patrick Lee, CB, Auburn
62. Justin King, CB, Penn State
69. Charles Godfrey, CB, Iowa
82. Terrell Thomas, CB, USC
85. Antwaun Molden, CB, Eastern Kentucky
87. Trae Williams, CB, South Florida
97. DeJuan Tribble, CB, Boston College
98. Tyvon Branch, CB, Connecticut
99. Chicago - Chevis Jackson, CB, LSU
104. Darnell Terrell, CB, Missouri
106. Dwight Lowery, CB, San Jose St.
115. Orlando Scandrick, CB, Boise St.
128. Jonathan Zenon, CB, LSU
141. Zak Bowman, CB, Nebraska
143. Jack Ikegwuonu, CB, Wisconsin



WR
Hardy is the best WR in the class and Malcom Kelly should be a productive player. I don't see Thomas becoming a #1 WR, and I don't see Sweed or Jackson doing much of anything. Jackson and Avery have elite speed, and will both likely double as return men early on to secure a spot. Monk has elite size at the WR spot but has some injury concerns, still I like him a lot. Purify is perhaps a top 5 favorite WR in this class for me. I think he will be a very productive WR who could sneak into a pro-bowl or two in his career.
16. James Hardy, WR, Indiana
30. Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
48. Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
57. Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
58. Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State
60. DeSean Jackson, WR, California
65. Dexter Jackson, WR/KR, Appalachian State
79. Donnie Avery, WR, Houston
81. Early Doucet, WR, LSU
83. Marcus Monk, WR, Arkansas
84. Andre Caldwell, WR, Florida
90. Earl Bennett, WR, Vanderbilt
93. Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan
96. DJ Hall, WR, Alabama
103. Jerome Simpson, WR, Coastal Carolina
108. Eddie Royal, WR/KR, Virginia Tech
114. Lavelle Hawkins, WR, Cal
130. Adarius Bowman, WR, Oklahoma St.
137. Mario Urrutia, WR, Louisville
138. Maurice Purify, WR, Nebraska


S
I grouped both FS and SS prospects together because this group is that sad. Johnson and Phillips have the physical ability but haven't but it together consistently. Reggie Smith is a dark horse, while at the bottom Castille is a low risk/high reward guy.
35. Tyrell Johnson, S, Arkansas State
36. Kenny Phillips, S, Miami (Fla.)
61. DaJuan Morgan, S, N.C. State
67. Reggie Smith, S, Oklahoma
71. Josha Barrett, S, Arizona State
73. Thomas DeCoud, S, California
100. Quinton Demps, S, UTEP
135. Marcus Griffin, S, Texas
139. Craig Steltz, S, LSU
145. Simeon Castille, S, Alabama



This class features a good collection of receiving TE's. Davis is faster than he timed. Carlson is most only real "complete" TE and Cottam has the potential to join him there as well. Bennett is the most athletic but going to aTm hurt his stock. He will surprise a lot of people with his athletic ability if a team finds a way to put the ball in his hands. Cottam could potentially project as a LT for some teams.
41. Fred Davis, TE, USC
42. John Carlson, TE, Notre Dame
44. Martellus Bennett, TE, Texas A&M
59. Brad Cottam, TE, Tennessee
78. Dustin Keller, TE, Purdue
109. Martin Rucker, TE, Missouri
112. Jermichael Finley, TE, Texas



Specialties
There is no Mike Nuggent or great place kicker in this years draft. Brooks may not be the best punter, but it is close between him and North Dakota State's Mike Dragosavich who has the best leg of the punters by a decent margin.
124. Taylor Mehlhaff, K, Wisconsin
147. Durant Brooks, P, Georgia Tech
 
hadaad said:
It's definitely different from what I've seen other people putting out there.

I like that you have Brohm ahead of Ryan. I remember hearing that a lot before all the pre-draft stuff.

I'm surprised that Dorsey is at #13. I was thinking he was the best player in the draft.

Looks like you did your work, though, for sure.
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I don't really rely much on the work of others, and in no way to I copy their information. I think Brohm will be a better QB, and it will only help that he is likely to get drafted to a team that can let him "compete" initially but sit him for a year.

I see Dorsey as an injury concern and with not too much potential left. Yeah, he is a good pro, but he isn't an elite pro. He will have a bigger impact early than some other DT's, but he will level out shortly.

I appreciate you looking through it and I'm glad to contribute to the draft discussion.
 
Goldensilence said:
Surprised to see Ellis #1.

I do think Brohm has more upside then Ryan but Ryan seems more NFL ready. Bad year to be looking for a QB. Woodson might be a sleeper for someone.
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I think he is just as NFL ready as Dorsey with less injury concern and more potential. He is also very adept at getting into the backfield for a DT, similar to Okoye and to a lesser extent Sapp. He has everything Dorsey has, including pedigree. In my other post, I did mention Woodson as a top sleeper choice.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
I think he is just as NFL ready as Dorsey with less injury concern and more potential. He is also very adept at getting into the backfield for a DT, similar to Okoye and to a lesser extent Sapp. He has everything Dorsey has, including pedigree. In my other post, I did mention Woodson as a top sleeper choice.
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On my mock I read Dorsey was rated at the 3rd overall prospect on some draftsites . Ellis was rated 5th overall . If Atlanta was going to take a DT rated the 3rd top player ... why would'nt they take the 5th top player . I figured Ellis would help Jamaal Anderson the 8th player picked last year .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
On my mock I read Dorsey was rated at the 3rd overall prospect on some draftsites . Ellis was rated 5th overall . If Atlanta was going to take a DT rated the 3rd top player ... why would'nt they take the 5th top player . I figured Ellis would help Jamaal Anderson the 8th player picked last year .
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Either one of those two players would be a great addition to their line. You would likely see a big increase in production from Anderson, similar to Mario when we added Okoye. I think Dorsey might actually be the better fit in Atlanta though because he has a tendancy to clog the gap as opposed to Ellis who looks to quickly penetrate the gap more often. Dorsey may help take more pressure off of Anderson than Ellis would. Ellis is the better player by himself, but when put into the Atlanta situation you mention, Dorsey is probably the better choice for them. They can't really go wrong, but Dorsey would fit a little better.
 
What do you think of Quentin Groves? I'm sure a bunch of Texans fans would probably go crazy if we drafted another D-lineman in the first round, but its still a need. Would he fit in nicely opposite Mario?
 
the only thing Ellis has over Dorsey is the lack of injury concerns. Dorseys don't come around very often.
 
TexanSam said:
What do you think of Quentin Groves? I'm sure a bunch of Texans fans would probably go crazy if we drafted another D-lineman in the first round, but its still a need. Would he fit in nicely opposite Mario?
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I have him as a top 10 player on this big board. I think he could play DE in the 4-3. He will have to work on his size, and likely start out as more of a situational rusher in that case, but he just flies off the LOS and would be a great DE to put opposite of Mario who is a "complete" DE. Mario could stay on the left side, going against RT's, while Groves would play RDE which is generally the pass-rushing spot. He could become as scary as Freeny off the edge on the right side of our line.
 
kastofsna said:
the only thing Ellis has over Dorsey is the lack of injury concerns. Dorseys don't come around very often.
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Okoye was a better prospect last year than Dorsey is this year. Dorsey has a limited upside. He will be an instant starter and a good NFL player, but Ellis has more potential and is better at penetrating.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Either one of those two players would be a great addition to their line. You would likely see a big increase in production from Anderson, similar to Mario when we added Okoye. I think Dorsey might actually be the better fit in Atlanta though because he has a tendancy to clog the gap as opposed to Ellis who looks to quickly penetrate the gap more often. Dorsey may help take more pressure off of Anderson than Ellis would. Ellis is the better player by himself, but when put into the Atlanta situation you mention, Dorsey is probably the better choice for them. They can't really go wrong, but Dorsey would fit a little better.
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I heard the Rams are'nt keen on Long . This may be some kinda ploy but I've read where they like Dorsey .

Some teams think Chris Long's greatest strength is his effort . There is the theory going around that he can't get much better .

Was'nt Ellis a man amongst boys at the senior bowl this year ?
 
kastofsna said:
lol
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You go around this board acting as if you know all about these prospects but I can't recall one post where you actually explained any of your views. I'm guessing I can ask YTF why or why he doesn't like any of these players on his board and I'm almost 100% that he could give me a good, solid opinion on why he does or doesn't like that player. It would be nice if you could do the same thing.
 
TexanSam said:
You go around this board acting as if you know all about these prospects but I can't recall one post where you actually explained any of your views. I'm guessing I can ask YTF why or why he doesn't like any of these players on his board and I'm almost 100% that he could give me a good, solid opinion on why he does or doesn't like that player. It would be nice if you could do the same thing.
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lol ya i've never done that
 
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