With playoff chances gone, why play injured Players ?

Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by nunusguy, Dec 18, 2007.

  1. nunusguy

    nunusguy Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2004
    Messages:
    8,991
    Likes Received:
    244
    Location:
    Houston
    "Schaub, 26, is contemplating offseason surgery on his shoulder, but he refuses to give up on the sliver of hope that he can play in the final two games of this season."
    **
    "Ryans injured his right knee against Tampa Bay when he tore his posterior cruciate ligament."
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5386034.html
    ***********************************
    Both these guys still want to play this year, which is admirable.
    But why not get them their surgeries and on the road to recovery for the 2008 season instead of risking further injury in meaningless games in the remainder of this season ?
     
  2. grinch1134

    grinch1134 Veteran

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2006
    Messages:
    129
    Likes Received:
    8
    Location:
    Stuck in Cowtown
    I think we were always playing for a winning season, meaning none of the upcoming games are meaningless; at least not to me and those fans that have wanted to see this team finish big. Also these two divisional games give us a chance to not go completely winless in the division. And to finalize my thoughts, seeing Schaub in action two more games should help quiet the start Sage crowd.
     
  3. GP

    GP Go Texans!

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2005
    Messages:
    17,747
    Likes Received:
    1,573
    Location:
    TEXAS!
    Yeah, because it's all about silencing the "Start Sage" crowd and not about winning. This is David Carr all over again.

    LOL.

    I'd think that if you are so high on Matt Schaub, you'd be glad to let the little peon Sage Rosenfels do his menial job as a backup, let Schaub rest and put his feet up on the sideline while Sage serves like a slave, and therefore allow Schaub to get fully healthy so he can play his token 1-to-2 games next season before getting hurt again.

    What is it about Matt Schaub that has him so stinkin' untouchable around here? I personally think it comes down to a bunch of ego-driven fans who don't want to see smack talk dropped on us if Schaub doesn't work out. With the plethora of fans around here taking joy in Bush's and Vince's bad play recently, it only furthers my assumption. Seems we have people more focused on what people THINK of us and less concerned with how this team looks on the field, as a T-E-A-M. There's just no comparison between how this offense ran with Schaub and how it has been flowing (IMO) with Sage. The tempo is faster, the receivers are catching everything, and we're getting into the endzone more regularly with less struggling to do so. There's a confidence amongst the players when Sage is taking the snaps.

    Quit worrying about appearances and let the W-L stats speak for themselves. That's what counts, remember?
     
  4. Ole Miss Texan

    Ole Miss Texan Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 8, 2006
    Messages:
    8,687
    Likes Received:
    685
    It depends how the doctors/trainers feel. If they say Demeco can play and not risk further injury, I'd be fine with it. If there's some sort of chance that it could aggrevate it or make it worse- I wouldn't let him walk around!! The kids gonna be a probowler for us for a long time, keep him healthy.

    As far as schaub goes, again it depends how the trainers feel. there is no use rushing him back b/c he's been injured a few times this season. Let him get healthy and get surgery sooner thus allowing him to practice sooner in the off season. Sage is doing a great job. Let Matt heal up and take the reins over next season.
     
  5. threetoedpete

    threetoedpete Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 26, 2004
    Messages:
    6,644
    Likes Received:
    197
    Location:
    Katy, Texas
    From my tree, he wants to give MS a chance to have one more good outing to slay the QB controversey. this team has enough on it's plate without that next spring. I agree it is pointless to trot him out there. But, it must mean a lot to Kubes. Anyone calling for Sage over MS is bacically a troll wanting to stir the pot up as far as I'm concerned. Closet cow polkes fans ?
     
    Imatexanfan likes this.
  6. eriadoc

    eriadoc Texan-American

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2004
    Messages:
    19,009
    Likes Received:
    1,863
    Assuming he's not going to further injure it by normal playing, you also have to assess whether getting the month's headstart on surgery is worth the return. If waiting means he's going to be gimpy at the beginning of the season next year, I'd rather he have the surgery now and get a headstart on rehab. We're already going to be short Dunta Robinson.
     
  7. nunusguy

    nunusguy Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2004
    Messages:
    8,991
    Likes Received:
    244
    Location:
    Houston
    Whatever the Texans might hope to accomplish by playing Schaub again this year, know there is also a big downside to such a decision:
    (1) the most obvious and biggest concern is that he reinjuries his already injured shoulder and complicates his recovery
    (2) plays poorly due to the existing injury or rustiness due to missed playing time from the injury, which then does tend to fire up any talk of a QB controversy
     
  8. hollywood_texan

    hollywood_texan Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2006
    Messages:
    3,022
    Likes Received:
    213

    I believe Demeco's injury is very similar to Adrian Peterson's injury of the Vikings.

    AP didn't require surgery and was playing in a couple of weeks.

    I don't think Demeco's injury is as bad you think it is.

    As for Schaub, who knows. He had a shoulder injury his senior year in college, which as I understand it, is the reason he slipped to the 3rd in the draft in the first place.
     
  9. Scooter

    Scooter Funky

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2004
    Messages:
    5,324
    Likes Received:
    546
    i dont think it has anything to do with qb controversies or anything like that. kubiak gave them the goal of bringing mcnair and houston a winning season and that's still what they're working towards. the team's on a high right now and just like last year every player wants to contribute and finish strong. for all the things that we have to fix on our team, chemistry and determination arent on the list.
     
  10. HoustonFrog

    HoustonFrog Chitown Frog

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2006
    Messages:
    12,421
    Likes Received:
    785
    Location:
    Chicago
    Still trying and spinning.. Dear Lord. Comical. TEAM is right. You reflect it so well in this post.(eye roll)

    Anyways, Sage should play out the string
     
  11. grinch1134

    grinch1134 Veteran

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2006
    Messages:
    129
    Likes Received:
    8
    Location:
    Stuck in Cowtown
    Yeah because all my post said was to silence the Sage crowd. Read then type. I never once called Schaub untouchable, so please l quote someone else's post next time or just hit quick reply.

    The point is these aren't meanlingless games and our star((ting)should have read starting) quaterback should lead us to the end. I for one have no problem letting Mickey Mouse quarterback if it wins us games, but until Sage is named the team's starting quarterback for the season, he will remain the backup. And yes he has done a great job backing up Matt.
     
  12. adam

    adam Guero

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2007
    Messages:
    715
    Likes Received:
    23
    Location:
    Spring
    I'm not particularly on either side of this argument, I really don't care who the starter is so long as we win. However, isn't it a little early to call Schaub a star? I don't think that he has done anything phenomenal, or at least nothing "star worthy".

    I'm all for giving him another season. That said, no five year denials like what we had with Carr. If Schaub fails to produce next season, I would be completely up to sitting him.
     
  13. Nighthawk

    Nighthawk All Pro

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2004
    Messages:
    719
    Likes Received:
    21

    I second. I never understood the endless support for Carr. I was calling for his head after season 2 (of 5). Also 3, 4, and 5.

    Now, Sage looks pretty good (maybe real good with a little help from the coaches seeing him as a potential starter), while Schaub looks frail, injury prone, glass jaw.

    I liked Schaub at the start of the season, but at a minimum they gotta treat him to a crash course in the gym for the next 9 months. And they can't consider him untouchable. After 5 years of Carr you'd think the Texans would have learned that lesson.
     
  14. HJam72

    HJam72 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2004
    Messages:
    11,613
    Likes Received:
    653
    Location:
    Over here.
    I don't know about this debate, but I gotta agree with that comment--assuming he can with his shoulder.
     
  15. brickman

    brickman Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2007
    Messages:
    80
    Likes Received:
    9
    Location:
    Rochester, New York


    GREAT POST!!!! 100% agree.
     
  16. edo783

    edo783 Site Contributor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2004
    Messages:
    7,711
    Likes Received:
    308
    Location:
    Houston, again.
    Two games left, out of th playoffs........just play it safe and sit them.
     
  17. Hardcore Texan

    Hardcore Texan Magnet Man

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2005
    Messages:
    9,464
    Likes Received:
    844
    Location:
    Round Rock, TX
    Has anyone thought of this?

    If Schaub goes ahead and has surgery now to get a head start on next year and Sage gets hurt after that.......who the hell is going to play QB?

    I think we should start Sage the rest of the year, dress Schaub as the backup if he is healthy enough, and should have surgery right after the year is over.

    Next is the OTA's and mini camp......Kubiak has always said every position is open competition in the offseason. This should take care of the "QB Controversy", performance is what mattters, let's see if Kubiak stays true to this, I suspect he will.

    And hopefully neither one of them is going anywhere for awhile. I do think after it is said and one, Schaub wins out, but I am willing to be unbias about it.
     
  18. Texans Pride

    Texans Pride Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    1,316
    Likes Received:
    78
    Location:
    www.realsteeltailgaters.com
    Both these guys still want to play this year, which is admirable.
    But why not get them their surgeries and on the road to recovery for the 2008 season instead of risking further injury in meaningless games in the remainder of this season ?[/QUOTE]

    because before this team can make the playoffs, this team has to learn how to win! These last two games are anything but meaningless.
     
  19. CloakNNNdagger

    CloakNNNdagger Site Contributor

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2004
    Messages:
    17,083
    Likes Received:
    1,376
    Just a while back, Schaub stated that his doctor told him that his shoulder injury was such that he could not injure it any further. I'd love to meet his doctor........any significant injury to a joint (especially an injury that requires surgery) will destabilize that joint..........any additional direct trauma would inevitably lead to further injury........Someone interject a little common sense..............
     
    Texans_Chick likes this.
  20. edo783

    edo783 Site Contributor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2004
    Messages:
    7,711
    Likes Received:
    308
    Location:
    Houston, again.
    CND, I was wondering that myself. kind of has the ring of "Wishing and hoping" that it will heal on its own and to keep the other team guessing.
     

Share This Page