Winston explains challenges against the 3-4

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  1. barrett

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    TC did a phone interview with Winston and asked him to explain some of the technical challenges our ZBS faces against the 3-4 defense. Historically, in the Kubiak / Gibbs era we have struggled at times against this scheme (evidenced by our performance on Sunday).

    He talks about how the linemen in a 3-4 don't attack and that sort of renders the zone scheme ineffective.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVocXGnopiA&feature=player_embedded


    here's my response:
     
  2. HTown2ATX

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    As another poster already said on some other thread.......the zone blocking scheme has gone extinct, it's light extinguished from the universe....yet kubiak just finished installing it here in Houston. I wish Kubiak could have come up with his own stuff. I know that he was always around Denver and he thought that was the way to win, but jeez, he should have come up with his own schemes by now for being so "creative" of a mind on offense.

    Furthermore, I know that this is really oversimplifying it, but, at it's core, football is all about blocking and tackling and running and catching. Lately we have done none of those things well, especially blocking. We have such small lineman. I think it was borderline assault what happened to myers sunday.

    this was the texans effort last week: :lion:

    very much of the poof variety
     
  3. barrett

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    By "extinct" you mean completely capable of gaining large chunks of yardages repeatedly? Consistently being in the top 5 in rushing and oh I don't know, posting record breaking statistics for the skill players?!?

    That's ridiculous. Honestly, you've chosen to rehash an idiotic comment that someone else said and made it your own?

    God I love the Houston fan base....

    Thank god for beer at 2 pm.
     
  4. nero THE zero

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    Zone plays are run by nearly every team in the league and the zone scheme is run by a good number of them.

    You can be critical of our version of it, our inability/unwillingness to adjust it, or our ineffectiveness in running it against certain defensive schemes, but to say that it's extinct is fallacious and ignorant.
     
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    here's my response!:

    ADJUST and do something different!
     
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    Exactly what I was about to say. The fact that they couldn't adjust during the Jets game made me want to put my fist through the TV.
     
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    You have to do what you do and make people adapt to you, but when that's not working, you have to adapt to survive.
     
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    Thought you were talking about the RUn & Shoot! What ever happened to it in the NFL?
     


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    I am amazed that the Jets were able to install the 3-4 just minutes before the game and do so well. I think if we had known a couple weeks ago that would be their defense, our coaches would have game planned for it.
     
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    I don't think the ZBS is extinct, but I think there's evidence to argue that its best days as a base offense may be behind it. You still see the Run & Shoot in the NFL; it's just that no one runs it as their base offense. The ZBS may very well be headed that way. It's useful in many situations, but defenses have also adapted to it and made it less useful in many situations. Between the 20s, against a 4-3 look, it probably can still be very effective. But against a 3-4 or in the red zone, maybe not so much.

    Every innovation has a shelf life before it has to evolve and adapt to survive.
     
  11. HTown2ATX

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    Well, the main point I was trying to make was that are lineman are too small, obviously I did not get that off correctly in my original post. I would just rather have some guys that are bigger and can still move their feet some. In the end, I still stick by my point that Kubiak needs to get better at making adjustments.

    And no matter how you come down on the ZBS argument....that still was a horrible performance. Just sayin.
     
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    We did pretty well with it last year as our base offense (Slaton 1200+ yds) and everyone was hailing Gibbs as a genius. Why is it suddenly so bad now? Why have NFL defenses suddenly caught up with the ZB scheme now and not earlier in the decade when Denver and Atlanta were both using them as base offenses?
     
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    zone, schome, what difference does it make when you can't score more points than the other team?
     
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    What I'm seeing and what I'm hearing are two different things.............
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    *sigh* It's gonna be a long season.
     
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    Chewing up huge yardage does not necessarily lead to lots of points.
     
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    And besides that, you need more than a high scoring offense to win a super bowl anyway. You need a very stout defense to make it that far, and we don't have either right now.
     
  17. eriadoc

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    We did? Last I checked, we racked up a bunch of meaningless yards and stalled when it counted in the red zone and on 3rd and short. Which is pretty much my point, if you think about it - situational usefulness.
     
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    The zone scheme is run by most teams. GB,philly, even pitts are zone blocking teams. If a guy is whooping the other guy,schemes won't save you. It works and it has shown it will work when executed, but the coaching staff for the first few games need to be fluid. They will see things they've never seen before, that's a fact.
     
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    Pretty much. Everyone runs some zone and some man. I think hearing that interview combined with the one he has on his own website makes a lot of sense.

    One of the difficulties of running the zone is that teams get better at it the more they do it. That's true of any line, but especially with zone. Involves a lot of cooperative play. It's hard keeping lines together and healthy. It also involves good teaching.

    What we saw on the field is not what they were supposed to be doing. Myers is not supposed to be handling Jenkins one on one. Mistakes were made /passive tense.
     
  20. m5kwatts

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    My theory is zone-blocking is at a disadvantage vs. the 3-4 because there's one more linebacker standing up with eyes on how the lines develop the play. The one-cut and go thing is less effective when there's one more guy on the defense filling a gap with their eyes on how the play is developing.
     

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