Will Bradley Roby have a comeback season?

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  1. 76Texan

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    These are all independent situations not related to the point.

    At any rate, they all fall on the HC.

    If you keep on saying these things, just pay me half what you pay OB and I will do a better job. :ahhaha:
     
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    How can you pay Roby 10M with that line of thought? Praying that he will regain form of 2 years ago? Somehow his career arc is now going to explode because of Houston coaching? YOu knew what you had in KJAX and he played the system well ON TOP of being a fan favorite. This team had in excess of 100Ms in cap room and they snubbed KJAX over 1M per year. its kinda sad dude that in the attempt to vindicate the teams thinking that it boils down to such a small amount and then you compare the players and any logical and sensible person should have been able to make the easy decision. Sign the better player. Not on what he did two or three years ago, and not on what he might do someday living up to his draft profile .. but what he did in his most recent game, or season.

    Gaine mismanaging the secondary with overpaid players who dont fit will become painfully apparent this year. Colvin is getting paid 7.5Ms to ride the bench! LOL so now people feel like you HAVE to play the guy and the actual good players get squeezed off the team over insignificant amounts. KJAX should have been allowed to end his career here and he couldnt all because of 3Ms. His latest body of work should have been enough to get the job done. Hopefully this was part of the reason Gaine was shitcanned. It was a poorly handled situation no two ways around it.
     
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    Because they plan to play Roby outside. Kjax would be the nickle corner unless someone gets injured.
     
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    No they didn't.

    Are you suggesting they pay Roby & Kjax? Or just Kjax & play Sharice Wright outside again?
     
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    So I guess JJO is also an also ran as a CB and he should not be counted on? I think signing Roby was a mistake and if you are going to pay a guy that much there were better options than him. You make it seem as if KJAX is some big liability based on anything other than last years grading and performance. He was like the 5th or 6th highest grade Corner according to PFF last year.

    edit: they still have around 40M in cap space BTW so in theory they could have signed KJAX AND Roby, but they have better plans for the money obviously.
     
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    I didn't say Jjo was an also ran.

    Kjax has not developed into an elite outside CB. He's a fine inside CB/Safety. I don't think those guys should be paid close to $10M/yr

    I think Kjax is a liability on the outside. I don't think I could be clearer.
     
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    Words.
     
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    Adrian Amos 5th rd pick in 2015.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Amos

    Production:
    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AmosAd00.htm

    Just signed this contract:
    4 years $36M
    https://overthecap.com/player/adrian-amos/3990/
     
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    Mathieu's contract:
    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/tyrann-mathieu-12350/
     


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    Mistakes were abound on that drive.

    2 penalties
    DW taking a sack
    First play was Miller up the gut and we know how much this board loves that play.



    One thing I need to see from Watson this year is getting rid of the ball faster so he won't take so many sacks/unnecessary hits. We know the line wasn't good but I bet half the sacks were on him for not getting rid of the ball faster.
     
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    Mathieu's contract:
    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/tyrann-mathieu-12350/
    The Texans paid this slot guy Aaron Colvin $8.5M/yr for 4 years:
    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ColvAa00.htm
     
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    LoL, I know better than trying to change someone's opinion, especially yours.

    I'm just saying that there's a going rate for each of the position.

    Besides, the Broncos were willing to pay $11M for KJax rather than retaining Roby for less.
    They certainly didn't value Roby's skillset as a CB as highly as the versality of KJax.

    Which brings to the next point.
    Bouye was on the bench for quite a while when KJo was drafted.

    The Texans played KJo mostly on the outside when he came in (and KJax inside).

    When KJax got injured in 2016, Bouye came in against the Vikings.
    And guess what?
    They played Bouye and JJo on the outside and put KJo inside.

    Does that mean Bouye beat out KJo - by staying on the bench all that time?

    No.

    There are ways to set up a defense to help a certain CB.
    For example, the Texans did shade a safety more to Bouye side.
    In the meantime, KJo and JJo would have to support one another in Cover 1.

    Or you play cover 2, and or zone.
    Which was what happened to Devin McCourty for the Pats in his rookie year, if you remmember the thread where I discussed it back then.

    And guess what, the Pats didn't leave him there.
    They started playing him some at safety the next year and made the full transition a couple years later.

    When McCourty was resigned as a safety, it was for a big contract at the time.
    Look it up.

    So Belichik valued McCourty's versatility plenty.
    I sure as heck would agree with his opinion.
     
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    Now back to the Vikings game in 2016, when KJax was injured.
    Bouye got his first start of the season.
    He played boundary CB while KJo moved to the slot (whenever Bouye came in).
    At this time, Thielen's resume as an UDFA consisted of 20 catches and 1 TD over 2 years.
    It also helped that Stefon Digss and AP were out.

    Here are some of the things that the Texans D did when Bouye was on the field:

    1-10
    Vikings 21P, TE strong left.
    Bouye on this side.
    Texans played off and dropped into 3-4 zone
    Bouye's responsibility is just the right deep third.

    2-10
    Vikings 11P, TE strong right, slot right
    Bouye was on the single wide on the weak side.
    Texans in Cover 2: Bouye got the help of the FS (ie. double team right off the bat)

    Another way to help the CB (Bouye)
    Texans rushed 3 and dropped into a 4-deep coverage with another 3 defenders underneath.
    This limited the coverage area of Bouye.

    Cover one; Bouye as RCB
    The safety shaded all the way to between the right hash marks and the right numbers, giving total support to Bouye.

    1-5
    Vikings in 11P, RB on right, TE strong right, slot right, split right.
    Bouye was at RCB (single WR on this side).
    The Texans still showed a cover 2
    The FS, again, was giving full support to Bouye.
    As the TE motion to Bouye's side; the FS stepped up on him.
    The SS moved back and shaded all the way past the right hash mark (on Bouye's side).
    The Texans were protecting Bouye all the way.

    .................................................................

    Those were a few examples regarding the coverage scheme to help Bouye.
    Another thing the DC can protect him with is the pass rush.

    When he sent a 5-man blitz, for example, 3 would be on Bouye's side.
    The QB's line of sight and throwing lane, obviously, are reduced.
     
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    I'd gladly take McCourty at Safety over Kjax.

    Bouye got $13.5M/yrs from Jacksonville. Is that the going rate for a skill set? Or did Jacksonville get it wrong? & if you think Jacksonville got it wrong why is it so hard to believe I think Denver & KC got it wrong?
     
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    You’re full of contradiction.

    First, you said you don’t want to pay for the safety position.
    Then you come right back and OK with paying for it.


    Secondly, Bouye has nothing to do with the convo here.

    You’re just going in different directions to try to sidetrack the story. :uprights:
     
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    And regarding your preference of McCourty, that's fine.

    KJax was chosen by Vic Fangio for his new team.
    You know, the guy with some 20 years of NFL experience as a DC.

    "Fangio’s defenses have consistently been among the most productive in the NFL in a number of categories, including scoring defense, total yards allowed and fewest penalties. His defenses have ranked in the league’s top-five in yards allowed in eight of the last 12 years while placing in the NFL’s top-5 in fewest points allowed seven times over that span."

    Yeah, that guy.
    I think he knows a thing or two. :kitten:
     
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    Only seems like a contradiction because you jumped in the middle of the conversation. I'd gladly start McCourty at Safety. I see Kjax as a nickle corner who can fill in at safety or outside in a pinch.

    I never said I don't want to pay safety. I said I don't want to pay Kjax & Honeybadger.

    He was part of the conversation you jumped into.

    There's another guy with some 20 plus years of experience (RAC) who didn't.

    What's your point?
     
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