Who are your round one targets?

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  1. jppaul

    jppaul Cut and Dry

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    So who are your round one targets, ie who would you be at least alright with in the first (the prospects I am listing are ones I believe have a shot of being there when the texans come on the clock, in order of preference within position):

    WR

    Coradelle Patterson
    Justin Hunter
    Keenan Allen

    OT

    Menelik Watson

    OG

    Justin Pugh
    Kyle Long

    TE

    Eiffert
    Ertz

    DE

    Sheldon Richardson (i think he can play de for us)
    Datone Jones
    Bjoern Werner

    DT

    Sylvester Williams
    Jonathan Jenkins
    Kazan Short

    OLB

    Jarvis Jones

    ILB

    Alec Ogletree

    S

    Kenny Vacarro
     
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  2. mussop

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    Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
    Jonathan Cooper OG North Carolina
    Chance Warmack OG Alabama
    Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tennessee

    Tavon Austin WR West Virginia
    Star Lotuleilei DT Utah
    Desmond Trufant CB Washington
    DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson
    Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia
    Xavier Rhodes CB Florida St.
    D.J. Fluker* OT/OG Alabama

    Keenan Allen WR Cal
    Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame
    Kenny Vacarro S Texas
    Eddie Lacy RB Alabama
    Arthur Brown ILB/OLB Kansas State
    Kawaan Short DT Purdue
    Jonathan Cyprien S Florida International
    Johnathan Banks CB Mississippi St.
    Johnathan Hankins DT Ohio State

    John Jenkins NT Georgia

    Any of these guys in the first will make me happy. The bolded are my favorites.
     
  3. 76Texan

    76Texan Hall of Fame

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    Like I said in the other thread, SEVERAL players that you guys want are available later-to-much later.

    Trading down to the mid-to-late second is the best option.
    You can get 3 good players instead of 2.
     
  4. Rey

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    Justin Hunter....


    A couple months ago I would have said Dion Jordan, but that is a pipe dream at this point. Would love it if he falls for some reason.

    But that's not likely to happen...

    Sooooo....I would take Hunter if I were the Texans. Or Margus Hunt...

    I like Tavon Austin too, but I'd rather have Hunter or Hunt.
     
  5. mussop

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    In the first? No thanks on Hunt or Hunter.
     
  6. Scooter

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    there are two guys that i target in this draft, the first being justin hunter. watching him, i see a #1 pro receiver. he has everything i'd want in a wide receiver, with the only knock being potential for injury. given his size and (reported) weight loss for the combine, i'd be pretty confident he could put some weight back on and increase strength without losing any mobility.

    the second guy is kyle long. ideal size, strength, and feet ... and a heck of a pedigree. lacks a bit in experience and technique, and may not start right away, but is rated as a first or second rounder for a reason. this is a guy who's going to start for 10+ years for somebody.
     
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    Yes, in the first.

    They are better than all of the other prospects that will likely be on the board IMO.
     
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    I would be happy with Hunter in the first, but then I think Hopkins is solid but just a guy. Hunt is interesting upside off the charts especially if he can start to utilize that weight room strength into playing power.
     
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    Your statement seemingly presumes a trade will be available. If no trade, of the prospects on the board who are you comfortable with. That's the question.
     
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    All 3 receivers - Yes, even though I think Hunter is a little bit of a stretch.

    OT
    Menelik Watson
    Don't think the Texans go OT in the first, so I haven't studied him.

    OG
    Justin Pugh
    Kyle Long
    Not first round material to me.

    TE
    Eiffert - Yes
    Ertz - No

    DE
    Sheldon Richardson
    Datone Jones
    Bjoern Werner
    All Yes

    DT
    Sylvester Williams
    Jonathan Jenkins
    Kawaan Short
    Second rounders with Short at the top, followed by Sylvester.
    Hankins is a borderline first. Jesse and Short are draws ahead of Sylvester.
    Jenkins is at most a third for me, due to weight concern.

    OLB
    Jarvis Jones
    Yes - another borderline.

    ILB
    Alec Ogletree
    Yes

    S
    Kenny Vacarro
    NO
     
  11. 76Texan

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    Don't want to put Arthur Brown, Cyprien, or Banks in the first either.

    Margus Hunt is a borderline first.
     
  12. jppaul

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    Fair enough on the evaluations but the question (again) was who is on YOUR first round board and may (has a decent chance) be available at 27.
     
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    The problem is I always find it very difficult to evaluate players without accurate knowledge of the things I want to know.

    The first thing is injury.
    With Cyprien, for example, I likes his tapes, but when he tested, his forty time and his 20SS time are not to my liking.
    Then I read that he had a hamstring issue sometimes around combine time.
    Was he fully recover at his pro day? We don't know, because with hamstring, if we recall the situation with AJ in 2011 and JJo in 2012, it's hard to tell how long it lasts and how much it affects the player.
    What if I had missed the fact the he was injured and knock him for his speed.
    But then again, he might have fully recovered, and what he showed at his pro day are true.

    Take another player like Allen who has never been timed in college, when he works out on April 9 (I believe), can we trust that what he shows are true measures of his capability?

    A different situation is a guy like Cornellius Washington who had a great combine and pro day, but mediocre tapes. We don't know why without investigating deeply into the matter. I notice that he didn't play much in some games, besides being in a rotation. But what happened to his production last year? It decreased significantly. Besides the sack numbers, the number of QB pressure also dipped from 29 to 13 despite playing 2 more games.
    His tackle total were fewer than his back-up who came in early and not just in garbage time. What might be the reason(s)?

    Also, as I'be said many times in the past, I'm not comfortable giving opinion on a guy without watching at least 8 games against good opponents (preferrably - otherwise, I will have to project - or discount a certain game altogether.)

    The last few years, I concentrated mostly on the receivers, looking to find a replacement for AJ and Walter/Jones.

    It's a position I have the most knowledge of (but still lacking information about injury among other things.)

    With that base, I don't have to spend as much time on them this year so I was able to watch the safeties and a few CBs.

    By watching the receivers, I was also able to learn about the QBs.

    Those are the positions I feel most comfortable with, but when you ask me about other guys, I don't know that much except for a few guys I think the Texans might draft (but I still don't watch enough tapes to really "rank" them.)

    For example, I still don't know if I prefer Hankins, Short, Jesse, or Williams.
    There's still some time left though.
     
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    Man you must be allergic to answering a question, are you bychance a doctor, attorney or insurance adjuster?
     
  15. beerlover

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    76 is damn thorough. Turned into a fine scout for us as well if you ask me. Really enjoy reading his work. I would appreciate making a stance or taking a position on specific player which is probably jest of your frustration.

    As you've likely noticed it's real hard to find actual scouts write ups. Which is an excellent reason to visit our site, not that we're actual scouts or have even fraction of much needed but privileged info- that sells for good money. 65 is another poster here with natural eye for talent, but only gives you brief glimpses into prospects largely due to personal time constraints.

    I've just posted my personal mock & have Texans selecting Alec Ogeltree, ILB. Not only does he have unlimited ceiling his character issues would be a thing of his past in Texan locker room. Talk about Ed Reed grooming a young safety prospect what about Cushing helping this young man? Or JJ Watt doing similar, we have great players in virtually every position that if a young man has the talent & desire he will succeed here. Really can't ask more than that but I do feel now more than ever we have that opportunity to take best playmaker available @ position of need & mold his natural talent into something really special.

    BL :wesmantexanfan:
     
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    Almost none of OPs. Mine would have to be those that have actually been mocked by a reasonable source as being there #27. Keenan Allen, Hopkins, Robert Woods, Terrence Williams, J. Hankins, Jesse Williams, Kawann Short, Banks, Amerson, Damontre Moore, Sam Montgomery, Ogletree, Te'o, Minter and Eiffert. Any would be okay and I would probably be stunned but okay if they selected QB Tyler Wilson there. First round will get us a good guy but after that it gets uch harder.
     
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    There's very little talk here (site wise) of Patterson. Is that because no one thinks he will be available to us? I'm a fan of jesse williams in the 2nd but no time before then.
     
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    Short/Hankins/Rodgers/Hunter/Armstead
     
  19. Lucky

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    That's the reason. And it's a good reason. He could go as early as #8 to the Bills and as late as #25 to the Vikings, with 7 other teams possible in between. My guess is that San Diego can't get one of the top 3 LTs at #11, and Mike McCoy goes for the Demaryius Thomas type WR he needs for his offense.
     
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    It just depends how SD feels about the corners available.
     

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