Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by The Medic01, May 3, 2012.
Where would you put him?
Me it's #2 behind Willis and in front of Lewis by 1.
What about you?
Brian Cushing doesn't go where you put him, he goes where he wants.
Call me a homer, but I say #1.
So are you calling yourself a homer or do you truly believe he's #1 and acknowledge that your opinion may be the target of homer claims?
I think Willis is the clear cut #1. And Cushing is battling for #2 with tier that includes Beason, Mayo, and Johnson.
Players like Lewis and Urlacher are a shell of their former shelf and have more value with their leadership and familiarity. But I think many teams would take any of the names I listed above over these two if they were to start a team today.
How many of them are 3 down players .... I'd put Cushing at the very top of the list because he never comes off the field.
Willis might be a better run stopper but Cushing is better in both coverage and getting after the QB.
Cushing had more sacks , more INT's and more tackles than either Lewis or Willis - only Urlacher had more INT's but had 0 sacks or FF.
They are all playmakers , thats for sure , its the nature of the position. Who you place #1 is very subjective.
Also add durability and health to one of Cushing's awesome traits
ProFootballFocus had Cush rated #2 overall to Navarro Bowman and just ahead of Willis in 2011. #1 Rush ILB, #9 Coverage, #10 Run
From their Signature Statistics -- custom combined/weighted
#3 in Run Stop Percentage
#5 in Pass Rush Productivity
#7 in Tackling Efficiency
#21 in Pass Coverage
Your link doesnt link.
It's an underline -- rankings/signature stats are subscription only.
Copy and paste for us cheap bastards?
According to the thread you started in the NFL forum, they have both Willis (#20) and Derrick Johnson (#28) ranked ahead of Cushing (#32) in addition to Bowman (#14).
Derrick Johnson is a great ILB as well. What about Timmons from the Steelers?
Edit: which would you rather have? 2006 Demeco Ryans or 2011 Cushing?
Yeah, that's their version of the Top 101 players in the league. They don't clarify how they rank the Top 101 or how the parameters for their signature stats. But the general idea comes through. There's a broad range of specific stats they keep.
Johnson & Bowman are significantly ahead of the other top ILBs against the run.
Where does Cushing rank in comparison Vs the pass and rushing the QB?
Cushing and Willis are #1 and #1A in my opinion. However, I think Cushing is a beast at either inside or outside, so if I am picking a team today my first LB is Cush. This year I predict huge things from him, as he is going to be the leader and do things his way and not have to be in anyones shadow. Time to shine.
It's all in post #7. I fixed a mis-type in that post.
Right now IMO there are 3 ILB who are just better than the rest.
1. Patrick Willis - I am a Texans fan but I have to give this guy credit. To me he is the best, no 1 & 1a. Patrick Willis is a Monster, period. In 2007 he had 174 tackles and is averaging 138.4 tackles in his 5 year career. That is insane.
2. Brian Cushing - Clear number 2. You could make a case for Bowman but Cushing did not have Patrick Willis playing next to him. Complete LB with a mean streak. His best year was in 2009 when he registered 133 tackles.
3. NaVarro Bowman - Not the biggest, fastest, or strongest LB but he is very instinctual and productive. Always around the ball. 143 tackles in his first year as a starter.
I think Derrick Johnson should be in there as well, top 4 at least.
Bowman didn't make the Pro Bowl but was first team All Pro.....proving that dude was seriously under the radar to most folks. Quite the nice 3rd round pick he was.
I like Cushing over Willis. I realize that puts me in the minority, but I'm OK with that. Tackles are a funny stat. To me, Cush makes more game changing plays. His rookie season was definitely more full of game changing plays, like turnovers (and a badass safety), and last year was a return to that form, for the most part.
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