What We Look Like Next Year

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  1. bah007

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    Over the last few days I've been looking ahead to what this team looks like moving forward (because what else is there to do when we're this bad). I've worked up a list of likely transactions so that we can see what this team looks like going into FA and the Draft next year. Here's what I have so far.

    Transactions
    *Release Matt Schaub (June 1 Cut)
    *Release Owen Daniels (June 1 Cut)
    *Re-sign Deji Karim (RFA)
    *Re-sign Garrett Graham
    *Re-sign Ryan Harris
    *Re-sign Earl Mitchell
    *Re-sign Terrell McClain (RFA)
    *Re-sign Ricky Sapp (RFA)
    *Re-sign Joe Mays

    Players Leaving
    Matt Schaub - Cut
    Greg Jones - FA
    Owen Daniels - Cut
    Wade Smith - FA
    Antonio Smith - FA
    Bryan Braman - FA
    Darryl Sharpton - FA
    Elbert Mack - FA

    Offense
    QB - Case Keenum, T.J. Yates
    RB - Arian Foster, Dennis Johnson, Deji Karim
    FB - N/A
    WR - Andre Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins, DeVier Posey, Keshawn Martin, Lestar Jean, Alan Bonner, Alec Lemon
    TE - Ryan Griffin, Garrett Graham, Brad Smelley
    LT - Duane Brown, Ryan Harris
    LG - David Quessenberry, Alex Kupper
    C - Chris Myers, Ben Jones
    RG - Brandon Brooks, Cody White
    RT - Derek Newton, Brennan Williams

    Defense (34)
    DE - Tim Jamison
    NT - Earl Mitchell, Terrell McClain
    DT - J.J. Watt, Jared Crick
    SOLB - Brooks Reed, Ricky Sapp
    SILB - Brian Cushing, Mike Mohamed, Jeff Tarpinian
    WILB - Joe Mays, Justin Tuggle
    WOLB - Whitney Mercilus, Trevardo Williams
    CB - Johnathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Brandon Harris, Brice McCain, A.J. Bouye, Josh Victorian
    FS - Danieal Manning, Shiloh Keo
    SS - D.J. Swearinger, Eddie Pleasant, Jawanza Starling

    Defense (43)
    SDE - Brooks Reed, Tim Jamison
    DT - J.J. Watt, Jared Crick
    NT - Earl Mitchell, Terrell McClain
    WDE - Whitney Mercilus, Ricky Sapp
    SLB - Trevardo Williams, Justin Tuggle
    MLB - Brian Cushing, Joe Mays, Mike Mohamed, Jeff Tarpinian
    WLB - N/A
    CB - Johnathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Brandon Harris, Brice McCain, A.J. Bouye, Josh Victorian
    FS - Danieal Manning, Shiloh Keo
    SS - D.J. Swearinger, Eddie Pleasant, Jawanza Starling

    Special Teams
    K - Randy Bullock
    P - Shane Lechler
    LS - Jon Weeks

    This gives us a starting point for discussion about where the team needs to go between now and the start of next season.

    *Edit to cut Daniels and re-sign Graham, which seems unanimous. Also deciding to be less pessimistic and adding Sharpton to the list of players leaving (fingers crossed).
     
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    infantrycak Mod. Staff Member

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    Why re-sign Sharpton? Why not re-sign Smith and Graham?
     
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    JB Old Curmudgeon

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    Why keep McCain and Newton?
     
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    Applause for putting so much thought into it. Personally, I think it's too early since we have no idea who the coach will be so don't know the defensive formation that will be used or the offensive direction. More of a 'wait and see' situation before we can really evaluate the roster.
     
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    I only dealt with expiring contracts except for Schaub. I hope to God that we upgrade at both of those positions in either FA or the Draft. But I didn't want to speculate too much into which FA's we will sign or who we will draft.

    I fully expect that one or both of those guys will not be with the team at the start of next year. But without knowing who will replace them I didn't want to list them as a transaction.
     
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    I'm Sharpton's biggest critic and I hope he's gone, but I don't see it happening. For some reason this guy never gets demoted despite playing like garbage. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get a new contract unfortunately.

    Which Smith? Or both?

    Graham's production this year may raise his price more than I think he's worth. I like him but I think with OD healthy he is our third best TE. I really like Griffin going into next year.
     
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    HOU-TEX Ah, Football!

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    This is my feeling as well.

    It all depends on schemes brought in by the new staff. We'd need 2-3 olinemen if we were to switch to more of a power scheme, which I'm all for.
     
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    Honoring Earl 34 Hey Koolaid

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    I did this in October .

    Right now I'm leaning toward Mike Zimmer or Jack Del Rio as coach .

    Offense
    LWR 80 JOHNSON, ANDRE
    RWR 10 Hopkins, DeAndre 11 Posey, DeVier
    LT 76 Brown, Duane
    LG Gabe Jackson, G 2nd pick
    C 55 MYERS, CHRIS
    RG 79 Brooks, Brandon
    RT Brennan Williams
    TE 88 Graham, Garrett
    QB Tajh Boyd 1st rd pick 7 Keenum, Case
    FB J.C. Copeland,
    RB 23 Foster, Arian 41 Wood, Cierre

    Defense
    LDE Watt, JJ
    DT Earl Mitchell
    DT DeAndre Coleman, 3rd rd
    RDE 94 Whitney Mercilus , Sam Montgomery
    SLB 58 Cushing, Brian
    ILB Shayne Skov
    WLB Willie Jefferson
    LCB 25 Kareem Jackson
    SS 38 MANNING, DANIEAL
    FS 36 Swearinger, DJ
    RCB
     


  9. Wolf6151

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    I hope your wrong about Darryl Sharpton, he needs to be gone. As for TE, I'd cut OD and keep Graham as I think he'll be just as good and alot cheaper than OD.
     
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    Appreciate the work and time you put into this. Just my thoughts for now:

    Transactions: Ryan Harris gone depending on whom I draft. McClain gone if I get my NT. Sharpton gone no matter what. He had a very well paid medical leave career. No thoughts on Sapp.

    Players leaving: I would offer very low contracts to Graham & Mays.

    Team: Newton is cheap & I want to see how he does healthy. Cut later if needed. I would be ok giving Martin & Jean's jobs to others. Brice McCain replaced with a draft pick. Probably allow OD to leave especially if Graham returns. Manning is my concern now. If I get Smallwood (ILB) and Carrethers (NT) I think I would risk letting Manning be replaced by my Marqueston Huff. Joseph appears to be returning to form. We need to see more of Pleasant & Starling.

    To bad this seems to be a weak off season for free agents as we could have some $ to go shopping.
     
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    Not disagree but give your thoughts. I am still evaluating my next mock and really want to go to power scheme.
     
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    Antonio.

    Sure it is price dependent on Graham. Gotta have a 3rd TE so there is the cost in picks or dollars to replace him.
     
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    I don't think Graham will be the player Daniels was in his prime. He's a personal favorite of mine and maybe I'm just being tough on him because I expected more. I really liked him a lot in college and thought he would be a very good pro.

    I do think that in the long run the best option would be to cut OD and let Graham and Griffin battle. But I think the emphasis from the owner on a quick turnaround may cause the front office to make some shortsighted decisions.
     
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    I would like Antonio to come back but we're not in a great spot as far as the cap is concerned, so again it would come down to cost.
     
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    HOU-TEX Ah, Football!

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    Not to say they wouldn't suffice, but Smith, Myers and Newton would need replacing. Smith and Newton for obvious reasons. Myers isn't the mauling type C we'd need to run a lot of power. He's a good fit for the ZBS because he's moving side to side rather than anchoring or mauling.

    Maybe I'm just old school, but when I think of power I think of olinemen with some sand in their pants.
     
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    I like Harris as a swing tackle more than I like Newton. Either way OL is a problem right now.

    Agree that McClain is expendable. He's a depth player.

    I pray that Sharpton is gone but do not feel confident that he will be.

    Would also like Graham and Mays back for the right price.

    I think Martin is safe. Jean is easily replaceable.

    I would like McCain gone but we'll have to see who comes in his place first. We are so weak with our DB depth right now that we can't even afford to let the marginally talented ones go.
     
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    Marcus Ruthless pragmatist

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    Schaub won't be the only one cut. I fully expect Jonathan Joseph, Daniel Manning, and Owen Daniels to be June 1st salary cap casualties. Their current contracts call for each of them to be paid at least 4 mil, and they ain't worth it.
     
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    I would be fine with giving up OD and keeping Graham.

    I have a hard time saying okay to Joseph and Manning though. That's our best CB and our best S. I know they are expensive but without those two next year we are probably sporting the worst secondary in the NFL....again.
     
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    All of our depth is replaceable and it's honestly no better than the depth that will be available on the streets for cheap next year.

    You should probably add, cut OD to this list as well. I like the guy just as much as everyone, but $4.5 mill is a lot of money we could save cutting a guy that is borderline worthless in about 80% of offenses in the NFL, which is what he is. This won't be Kubiak forcing the TE the ball 7 yards short of the chains on 3rd down next year.

    He's also 31, pretty slow, has knee/leg issues, and he barely catches 60% of his intended passes anymore when he's supposed to be used as a possession receiver. Sorry OD, but you can hit the road jack.

    We also need to get JJ Watt his mega contract before he hits free agency at end of 2014 season, likely before the start of 2014 season. Once that happens, I imagine any cap space we might have had will be completely erased (this includes the $10.5 mill dead money from cutting Schaub).

    At least we will get some compensatory picks in 2015 draft though when we let all these bums walk.
     
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    I think you can only designate 2 players as June 1st cuts.

    I would take the entire dead money hit for any cuts in 2014. That would let the new coach evaluate the talent on the roster in 2014 and fill holes in 2015. Not to mention Mr Watt will be wanting a raise.

    Unless we find solid replacements, I'd keep Manning and Joseph. They may be pretty good with a better system. OD would need to take a pay cut. Schaub can take a hike.
     

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