What is the dropoff from Berry/Thomas to the next FS?

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  1. Section516

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    Just wondering, what is the drop off from the two safety's and the rest, say, Burnett n Co.
     
  2. rmartin65

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    My FS rankings go as follows:

    Immediate stars
    1) Eric Berry
    2) Earl Thomas

    Immediate starters
    3) Nate Allen
    4) Morgan Burnett

    Potential starters at some point during the season
    5) Robert Johnson
    6) Myron Lewis

    Developmental players
    7) Major Wright
    8) Nick Polk
    9) Terrell Skinner
    10) Donovan Warren


    Taylor Mays and Kam Chancellor are strong safeties, in my opinion, and are not on this list.
     
  3. steelbtexan

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    I would love it if Smithiak picked Owens in the 4th and then traded a 5th and a 6th to get back into the 4th and took one of Lewis,Johnson or Wright.
     
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    Owens has quickly become my number 1 target for middle round DT.

    Johnson would be my pick out of those 3 guys, badboy finally sold me on him.

    Wright scares the piss out of me. He played on such a talented defense, his weaknesses were easily covered. I dont know if he is as good as he looks.
     
  5. Wolf6151

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    I agree, there is lots of good talent in the mid rounds of this draft due to it's depth and getting back into the 4th round would be great. We've got decent depth at many, but not all, positions and don't need those late round training camp cuts. I also really like Rmartin65's list of FS, my sentiments exactly.
     
  6. threetoedpete

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    Casserly & Mayock had a pretty good chat about this on NFLn path to the draft last night. Mayock has Thomas slightly ahead of Berry. Basically both feel that Berry is the stronger tackler. their is a slight difference in their stance in who is the best cover man. the reason Mayock is giving the edge to Thomas is because Thomas has the better instincts and hips. But berry isn't exactly chopper liver in his coverag skills as he demonstrated his Junior year when he was playing back more and out of the box. Berry can blitz off the corner and be a destructive force at the LOS. The consensus is both players are plug and play type guys. 1A and 1B. And it's been awhile since the board has had two safetys this talented sitting at the top of it. there should be a rerun of the segment Saturday afternoon.

    And I believe that Cris Cooke is still in the equation. If they don't draft a CB in the first round.
     
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    The Cleveland Plain Dealer presents a great article about Earl Thomas with some very interesting analysis by Maycock and Thomas' position coach.
     
  8. steelbtexan

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    Too bad Thomas wont be there at 20.

    He will be a difference maker for whoever drafts him.
     


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    No argument here.
     
  10. 76Texan

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    I'm not buying Thomas in the top ten
    just as I don't buy Haden in the top fifteen.

    Any guy who gets beat 3 times in one game should have some question marks hanging. (Thomas against Tech, Haden against S. Car. - ironically, Haden was D-MVP of that game.)

    OK they are young and have potential, but I won't be surprised if they drop to us at 20.
     
  11. threetoedpete

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    free country and all believe what you want.

    I personally believe since we're going off gut feelings here, that Earl Thomas was born to play next to Pollard. and if they gave up a two to go up and get him, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
     
  12. Jackie Chiles

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    I felt the same way about Aaron Curry last year. In hindsight Cushing was a stroke of genius but I agree with you, I would give up our two to move up and grab Thomas. What do you think is the highest pick we could get for our 1 and 2?
     
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    It looks like Denver is looking to move back which would work as long as Jacksonville doesn't jump on him. Haden might also be available. the points are 1250 1220 in favor of us not that it really matters. we saw what Cleveland did last year in desperation for more picks and to get out of their pick.
     
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    Mayock should know more football than I do... but....
    They used Earl more as a nickel than a safety.
    Even when he played back at safety, he was there to help on the inside slant or the quick out a whole lot more than as a true safety.
    Other times, they would use him as a box and one defender where he has only one responsibility.

    So for Mayock to say that Thomas is a Free Safety, well...

    Now that I had to go back and watch all these "snaps", which amount to some 7 games (not counting a 4-5 other games that I had seen but did not scrutinize), there are quite a bit of bad tapes on Earl that I would be surprised to see him go in the top ten.

    Hey, maybe they think they can coach him up.
    But I definitely would challenge Mayock's call on "most instinctive FS" the last 5 or 6 years. No way no how baby!
     

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