What I Didn't Like

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  1. The Pencil Neck

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    Somebody has to do it (even though it kinda leaked into the What I Liked thread) and it might as well be a Sunshine guy starting it:

    The special teams were short bus special. The return teams were terrible.

    Mario didn't get into the groove.

    We looked weak up the middle to me. Although Earl seemed to pick it up against the 3rd stringers, he never played against their all pro #1 center. With Shonn Greene out there, we were getting gouged up the middle. If the NT isn't going to stop that, then the ILBs have to.

    Molden made some good plays to almost make me think he was salvageable... and then he made some bone-head plays that made me want to cut him before the game was over.

    I guess I expected way too much from Shiloh Keo. He was seriously not good.

    Our TEs. I expected OD and Garrett Graham to make some of those tough catches that they didn't come up with.

    Brandon Harris. I expected a lot from him but he looked like just another one of the guys out there.

    KJ was KJ. He didn't fall down but he wanted to. I could tell.

    Leinart. Yeah. He's a major upgrade over Orlovsky. And he played pretty good there for awhile. And then he started staring down receivers and making throws that didn't seem to make sense.

    Jacoby Jones. Did not have a good day.

    Dorin Dickerson. Looked good blocking on the goal line but I didn't see him catching anything. I wanted to see him catching things and using his freakish athletic ability to dominate our opponents. Didn't see it.

    Our RBs. Mad props to Ogbonnaya for stepping in and manning up. Great game. But some guys better get healthy really, really quick.
     
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  2. YoungTexanFan

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    Didn't like Mario or Barwin's play at OLB. I'm actually a little worried about Mario as I didn't see OLB speed, and he clearly needs time to slow the game down at his new position. That's not a great combo.

    I thought Manning well and KJ played decently. Other than that, our secondary wasn't very good. We're still giving too much of a cushion. However, they are at least within a body's length of the receiver this season. That's a big step forward.

    I didn't like our NT play, though I think most of us have tempered expectations for that position this year. We could only afford to upgrade so much. I was pleased with Smith and delighted with Watt.

    I'm borderline disgusted by our WR play. The effort those guys gave today is embarrassing. Jean being the exception. Yes, Schaub and Yates left some balls high/long, but if you get a hand on it, you have to catch it. Also, nothing pisses me off faster than a WR breaking full stride only to reach up for the ball with one hand. Poor form and effort lead to poor results. I wasn't impressed at all with any WR not named Walter and Jean, and honestly, for as much hype as the other UDFA WR's were getting from y'all on here, I'd just as soon cut them all and give Jean more reps.

    Our open field tackling is about as bad as last year, which worries me. Keo was the most outstanding example of this, but there was plenty of blame to go around, on all units. This is a mentality. They know how to tackle properly, but choosing to lead with the shoulder without dropping the hips square and wrapping up leads to a ton of what we saw tonight. Keo, on the quick slant right after he missed the sack, literally attempted to circle around his man and arm tackle him from an angle behind him rather than hold his angle and tackle the ball carrier straight on.

    Both sides of our return units were terrible. Like, terrible enough to get the coach fired a few games into the season terrible. We need some solution to this, and quick.

    That's about all the negative I'm going to pull from this game. I think we played well for the most part, and most of what's listed will be fixed through coaching in the next week and/or cuts. I can only recall one play were we absolutely blew a defensive coverage (TE rolled into flat w/no coverage while in cover-1), so I'm pleased with that. I think some guys just need more reps to get comfortable. There are a ton of positives I took from the game, but this is the negative thread, so I'll leave those for the other thread.
     
  3. Scooter

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    biggest disappointment for me was not seeing our receivers. being preseason i'd much rather see an incompletion to dickerson than a successful dump to 27 (i'm not going to attempt his name). speaking of 27, i actually liked our fullback play, but our run blocking from the line left plenty to be desired. i also didnt like our run defense from the first team. our base looked like a 3rd down unit against a draw - penetration but in a way that takes our heavies out of the play and leaves our ILB's exposed. cushing will help as an ILB strongman, but we leave 3 empty yards behind cody's attempted penetration and what may be a record number of tackles for our safeties needing to fill run lanes.
     
  4. ObsiWan

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    Biggest disappointment to me was Schaub. He was off all night. Missed OD and a couple of other guys who were open. Strangely reminiscent of last year when he'd come out flat in the first half.

    The next most disappointing thing was the play of the first string ILBs. Going against the Jets' ones, they didn't really play the run well when they had to read and react. The OLBs - Mario and Conner - are spread wide in this defensive scheme (don't take my word for it, watch how wide Demarcus Ware is in the Cowboy defense - that's how Wade has his OLBs line up) so if there's a run, the OLBs have outside contain. If the ILBs aren't flying to the ball or get tangled up in traffic, the RB has a lane off tackle for a big gain. Neither DeMeco nor Sharpton were up to the task tonight. A lot of folks are all on Mario's and Conner's cases but where were our ILBs tonight?? If the linemen and TEs are tying up our OLBs then the ILBs should be free.

    Special teams gets a mixed grade. Rackers seemed on his game and none of his kicks were close to being blocked so the FG unit seems ready to go. The punt team needs to sharpen up but the punters themselves did okay. None of those famous Matt Turk-style 20-yarders - they averaged 44-45 yds. The rook got off a 52-yarder; nice. The return teams flat out sucked. Any return guy who gives up 10 yards on a return needs to be cut. I hate that. Pick a damned lane and fly through it.

    Tackling. Two words to the defense: WRAP. UP. Looks like Wade's scheme (hey, we actually can use that word seriously - feels good don't it?) defensive guys are in position to make plays. So wrap the hell up! While I'm on the defense, remember folks, we didn't play one of the better QBs tonight. Sanchez ain't really all that. Wait until Drew Brees comes to town. THAT will be a real test.
     
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    I don't see how anybody's KO return team is going to be any good this year. The new rule sucks.
     
  6. Rey

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    Some of those kicks we brought out would have been kneeled last year. I like the aggressiveness of bringing them out though. If you get past thatvfirst wave you have a chance to take one.

    Overall I was pleased with the first defense.

    Sanchez rolled out to barwins side and barwin was kind of trapped in between rushing and covering and he surprised me with how fluid and natural he looked.

    Ogbanaya was nothing special.

    Over the course of the game I think Mario will play better. I was overall pleased with the db play.


    I thought the receivers played ok. I think all of the qb's need to play better. Lots of overthrown balls. There were opprotunities to gash the jets, but we just missed. But I think that was just first game jitters.

    Considering it was the first live action for wades new defense I think it was pretty good. Molden looked decent overall, Brice McCain made some plays. I reapply didn't notice Kareem.

    Jj watt is a beast. The second team defense was very good.
     
  7. Texanator

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    Some of you would complain if you were handed a Super Bowl ring on a silver platter! Just once I'd like to come to this forum and see more positive posts then all the negative complaining.
     
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    Special teams.

    I know it's gotta be tough for Marciano to have so many new people running his special teams, with the short off-season, they may not have spent much time on it, but it's definitely an are that is going to need work.

    I'm getting tired of seeing our offense come out looking like crap. I can write a better script to go against the Jets defense. It's not like we don't know what they want to do.

    Mario... Maybe he can be a good OLB. I don't know. But we've got plenty of options to throw out there. He is a great DE... a probowl DE.. why screw around with him?
     
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    Why couldn't we get it on a gold platter? & why only one ring?



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    Dude, re-read the thread title. This is the complaint department thread. LOL

    Mario looked lost, and that worries me. If he isn't gonna jack it up if for no other reason it's a contract year for him, then he's lost. I was not very happy with Mario's performance last night.

    Schaub looked rusty, but at least on this one I know it'll get fixed. Can't say that about Mario just yet.

    Recievers dropped a lot of balls, and CBs were only slightly better.

    Now that I've got that out of my system, I going to go post in the "What I liked" thread. :)
     
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    Schaub was a little high on his throws.

    Mario was a little slow off the line. (I'm not going to rip him too much though. Did anyone think the Jets weren't going to game plan for him, or leave him unblocked?)

    Kickoff return looks just as bad as last year.

    Behind Earl Mitchell I dont see alot of quality depth.
     
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    Our first string pass D looked like last year. Big cushions, lots of completions, no real aggressiveness. We let Sanchez complete everything. He is a career 50% guy and he hit 90 against us. Again.
     
  13. Rey

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    Dude, your avatar is a visual complaint everytime you post.
     
  14. El Tejano

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    Run D was bad
    Receivers were bad except for Lestar Jean
    Matt wasn't good
    OL run blocking not where it needed to be.
    Defense still giving up slant routes
    D still not coming off field on 3rd and 15.
    We made their rookie QB look like he's played in the league before (I don't care if it was 3rd teamers, plays were still not being made).

    Joe Marciano needed to suit up the ST for practice after the game or be let go himself.
     
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    *Defensive line vs run-------"A kingdom for my fat boy in the middle.."

    *Kickoffs by both kickers were more like line drives........they successfully got their kicks near or into the end zone......but hang time was horrible, not giving the time for the cover team to get down the field. Once the cover team did manage to get down, the angles taken and the tackling were a horrendous complement.

    *Demeco looked like he was going nuts with so much confusion evident trying to get his guys into position........it appeared that the LBs were starring in a "Keystone Cops" episode. The starring movie roles went to Mario and even Barwin for "Lost in Space."
     
  16. The1ApplePie

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    Mario looked as smooth, fluid, and natural as an animatronic bear at OLB.
     
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    I'm hoping that when the final cuts of preseason are made that the Texans find the "fat boy in the middle" that they sorely need.
     
  18. Rey

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    I don't get the Mario complaints. He looked fine to me.

    On that long Shonn Greene run Earl Mitchell cannot let the double team uproot him like that, but Dobbins is the guy who let that play turn into the big yardage it did.

    Demeco came down and took on the fullback's outside shoulder and closed the hole down. Dobbins was backside so he should have filled. Now he probably had a little trouble doing that since Mitchell was double teamed back into his lap.

    Overall though I'm not worried about that being a problem. Mitchell is still young and learning and being fat is not the only way to beat double teams and to not allow the OL to get movement on you. He was much too high, and I was always taught that if you feel the double and are getting pushed back just go to the ground and cause a mess and let the LB's clean it up.

    Two players were at fault on that play....Mitchell primarily and Dobbins taking second in a photo finish.
     
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    Where was Trindon Holliday?

    Even though it was only 1 quarter and the first game back, Barwin/Mario went against 1st team and were ineffective.

    And we got beat on slants near the goal by the Jets again. Big SMH
     
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    The nightmares about slant patterns are going to start up again, I just know it...


    Reggie Wayne, Kenny Britt, Roddy White, Brandon Marshall, Hines Ward, Mike Williams, Steve Smith. Ugh...I'm tired of seeing easy slants for 1st downs on 3rd and ANYTHING!
     

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