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What do you expect from Mario Williams his rookie season?

My hope is that he gets at least 6 sacks (2 on Peyton, 2 on Leftwich, and 2 on Young/Voleck...or 6 on Peyton!).


But I EXPECT him to put a lot of PRESSURE on QB's. I could care less about the sack if he can force a bad throw resulting in interceptions or 4th downs. If he doesn't put a lot of pressure on the QB, or force the double teams and such causing OTHERS to get pressure, then I see him as not living up to his potential.
 
stevo3883 said:
wow umm well unlike yall I do care how well mario plays.

he better get 10-15 sacks to justify his ridiculous salary.
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FYI rookie salary is a product of draft position, not necessarily expected production. I am assuming you know this, just pointing it out for others.

I will need to see what kind of plays our DC runs before I proclaim Mario to grab the rookie sack record. After watching four years of Prevent, I am hoping for an aggressive mixture of plays. I am hoping that Mario's play will command double teams and that our DC will run a lot of blitzes, to either free Mario of the double teams or allow the other rushers to make plays.

Bottom line Mario could have played in Fangio's D last year and would have given us a whole 4 sacks ... defensive playcalling is as much responsible for the numbers as is individual talent.
 
I'd be happy with 7-9 sacks and thrilled with 10+. I've said this in another thread but him being on the strongside could take some sacks away. It may be setting him up for a tough time getting "stats" to back up his being the #1 pick.
 
for him to stare peyton down ,face mask to facemask,on the ground after a sack, and snarl defiantly, " I'm gonna eat your children!"

If i get a couple of those- i'm good.
 
I'll be happy if Mario Williams can contribute by just allowing the whole defense to be better. I think with Weaver, Peek and Williams, offenses are going to be busy trying to decide who to cover, which will allow someone to be free. They can't cover everybody. I think that if Williams brings his work horse attitude to every game, and not worry about the numbers, then he will allow the defense as a whole to be better. It's exciting to see that the Texans have brought in new players that will contribute to winning. I also believe Williams is not out there to prove he is the best DE, but that he is willing to place his pride asside and focus on the team on winning games, which in reality is what we ALL want. I'll take Super Bowls over Hall of Famers any day.
 
santo said:
I also believe Williams is not out there to prove he is the best DE, but that he is willing to place his pride asside and focus on the team on winning games....
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What makes u think that ?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
What makes u think that ?
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With the interviews he has had with the media. The way he carries himself. He seems to be a humble guy.
 
edo783 said:
Please note: Almost all the folks who are demanding extremily high sack numbers from Mario from day one are pretty much the same VY is God crowed and who feel the team took a poo in their Wheaties when they didn't draft VY, and now want to set up the senario where they can whine all the time about Mario if he doesn't set NFL records right out of the gate. They are doing the same kind of stunt regarding expectations for Carr also.
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You've seriously got the blinders on..... it's the RB crowd making this noise.
 
stevo3883 said:
#1 Mario got the highest rookie contract in history, Vince implied he would take a hometown discount to play here

#2 no one said mario would be a bust if he doesnt put up pro bowl numbers, but that he needs to perform to match his insane contract. there is nothing wrong with this statement.

#3 vince isnt expected to start his rookie year. no quarterback is. so the comparison is apples to oranges. come back in year 3 and then we can talk about a qb.
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If Mario has very few sacks while getting double and triple teamed, but the rest of the defense is getting in on the act - Mario has been a huge success. There are lots of outcomes to a busted offensive play that don't necessarily have a sack involved.

Interception, Pass broken up by CB, Pass Broken up by LB, Pass broken up by D line, Tackle for loss, errant throw, throw out of bounds because of pressure, Intentional Grounding, Fumble, Frustrated O Line starts holding or commits false start or chop blocks or leg whips, etc. etc.

I think you should curl up with your autographed VY poster and a cup of Sanka. Chill for a little while.:texflag:
 
insane contract? wake up, he got what every no. 1 pick gets. every year the no. 1 pick gets more than the previous year. so ever year the guy who gets picked # 1 will be the highest contract in history. there are exceptions of course but thats usually how it goes. as far as that goes , the writers were even saying the rest of the league loved caserly/mcnair cuz the increase in no. 1 pick salary was actually lower than last year. you know what pressure on the quarterback creates? turnovers, from all sides. it frees up linebackers for turnovers. it causes bad throws wich equals db interceptions, and yes sometimes the de actually gets to the quarterback and gets the sac. myself, i'll be happy if he just causes the other types of turnovers. imho a guy who does that is priceless. and thats why edge is not playing for indy this year. they think its priceless too.
 
Trade'06pick said:
If Mario has very few sacks while getting double and triple teamed, but the rest of the defense is getting in on the act - Mario has been a huge success.
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If they double/triple team Mario.... Peeks going to kill'em.... or Weaver/Smith..... they'll think they're doubling the wrong guy, and start doubling others...

Mario will end up with two or three 3 sack games at the end of the year.....


hey that sounds kinda familiar..............

:yahoo:
 
thunderkyss said:
If they double/triple team Mario.... Peeks going to kill'em.... or Weaver/Smith..... they'll think they're doubling the wrong guy, and start doubling others...

Mario will end up with two or three 3 sack games at the end of the year.....


hey that sounds kinda familiar..............

:yahoo:
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Thanks for the love. I respect your opinion.
 
thunderkyss said:
You've seriously got the blinders on..... it's the RB crowd making this noise.
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Actually, if you check, you would see that Stevo3883 and UTRoalty are VY cult fans. That's also why I used the word "Most" as in "Not all".
 
dat_boy_yec said:
I'm a put it out there like this. I expect double digit sacks not only that but if Mario doesn't get the rookie record in sacks I will be disappointed. I come to this conclusion from past performances and if Mario is a better prospect than Peppers (and I think he is) then that record should have his name on it. Peppers played weakside so I was surprised that he didn't get the record over Freeney. Maybe that was a side effect of playing weakside. However Freeney got the record playing strong-side. Mario playing strong-side may be hard, but it should definetely be within his abilities. Like Peppers, Mario is coming onto a line that won't allow teams to focus solely on Williams. Unlike Peppers, Williams can still improve vastly on his pass-rushing skills.
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Don't Forget that Peppers sat out the last 4 games for using Ephedria or something like it.
 
edo783 said:
Actually, if you check, you would see that Stevo3883 and UTRoalty are VY cult fans. That's also why I used the word "Most" as in "Not all".
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Please don't define me....I haven't the slightest clue what you are referring to...I may have boasted my support of VY, but to call me a cult fan....???? are you serious??? I actually am happy with the pick up of Mario, and would've been happy with either of the top three because IMO they are all elite talents...I haven't stated my opinion anymore than anyone else supporting who they thought the best pick was for the texans...But i'll be paying much more close attention to your post edo...

*edit:For the record I went back and read the guys post that you "grouped" me with as being "cult" fans, and I don't agree with anything he said
 
My expectations really will be on the defense as a whole.

Mario could be such a monster that offenses focus on shutting him down that allows other guys to make plays. Defenses are succesful because of team play and I think Mario should be evaluated as such. In other words, he needs to be the anchor but shouldn't be expected to get the individual stats as long as the defense as a whole gets the stats.
 
edo783 said:
Actually, if you check, you would see that Stevo3883 and UTRoalty are VY cult fans. That's also why I used the word "Most" as in "Not all".
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hahahaha

I'm a college football fan, and I wanted the best players.

but hey, if you want to be childish about that go for it.
 
cap1 said:
Don't Forget that Peppers sat out the last 4 games for using Ephedria or something like it.
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I know this is tangent to the point you were making but... suspending a professional football player for ephedrine is just silly. That's almost like suspending someone for drinking too much coffee. It's against the rules because it's a very mild performance enhancer but there's no way ephedrine or ma huang should get you suspended for more than a game (if that.)

If anything, it's just an indictment of his intelligence. I compete in drug tested federations where ephedrine (like caffeine) is only against the rules if you test positive for it on the day you compete and I know to not take anything that will make me test positive. That means no sudafed, primatene, or anything like that for a few days before a meet.

It's not like these are anabolic steroids.

Sorry, the whole "performance enhancing drug" thing is a hot button of mine. I mean, if we're going to ban performance enhancing drugs, then let's make athletes stop using pain-killers and anti-inflammatories, too. And then let's get rid of the pads and helmets... blech.
 
cap1 said:
Don't Forget that Peppers sat out the last 4 games for using Ephedria or something like it.
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Damn, I had forgotten about that. Another reason Mario should be a monster in his first yr. Also ppl comparing Peppers and saying he played in such a weak division. Freeney came in and did it in the same division Mario is going to play in. To those who don't know the record is 13 set by you guessed it Freeney. Also forgive me if I'm ignorant, but when did Peppers become a pass specialist because last time I checked he played great against the run as well.

If we had wanted 6-8 sacks from a rookie we could've lucked out in the second rd.

Sorry cap1 this wasn't all aimed at you I just had to vent a little bit.

Also I ain't no VY lover or RB crusher even though I liked Bush I've acknowledged Mario long before the draft.
 
I expect him to be a disruptive force. Sacks are nice but getting a sack at the end of a blowout game (either winning or losing) means nothing other than nice stats. It's unfortunate that defensive ends are most looked at when they get sacks and that is part of the equation, but Mario Williams has to change opponents gameplans. And if he is able to do that from early on I think him being the no.1 pick will be justified.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
It's not like these are anabolic steroids.

Sorry, the whole "performance enhancing drug" thing is a hot button of mine. I mean, if we're going to ban performance enhancing drugs, then let's make athletes stop using pain-killers and anti-inflammatories, too. And then let's get rid of the pads and helmets... blech.
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I don't know about the helmets and pads thing, but painkillers as performance enhancing is a pretty good point.

I think the deal with ephedrine is that there is some additional risk to heat stroke and death that the NFL wants to avoid ( that doesn't come as often with painkillers ). BUT then I am sure he was warned more then once about using that particular enhancement drug before he got the 4 game penalty.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
Damn, I had forgotten about that. Another reason Mario should be a monster in his first yr. Also ppl comparing Peppers and saying he played in such a weak division. Freeney came in and did it in the same division Mario is going to play in. To those who don't know the record is 13 set by you guessed it Freeney. Also forgive me if I'm ignorant, but when did Peppers become a pass specialist because last time I checked he played great against the run as well.
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In two games against the 4-12 expansion team(in their first year) Freeney collected 2 sacks.

Against the 2-14 Bengals....... 1 sack.

Against the 10-5 Steelers(weak division.... weak schedule) 1 sack.

Against the 11-5 Tennessee Titans....2 sacks over two games.

Against the 12-4 Eagles(weak division.... weak conferance) 1 sack.

Against the 5-11 Cowboys... 2 sacks. ( we could beat them in 2002)

Against the 9-7 Browns(they made the playoffs at 9-7) 1 sack.

Against the 6-10 Jags(once again, we beat them in 2002) 2 sacks.

Not only did he play weak teams, the NFL was pretty weak all together. The Browns made the playoffs with a 9-7 record, and the Falcons slipped in with a 9-6 record......

Then, that's only 12 sacks in the regular season.......... his thirteenth sack must have occured in the playoffs.

Please....... please don't tell me I have to do the same for Peppers.
 
What a silly debate this is. One side has facts while the other has a crystal ball they bought at a pawn shop and a guinness book of worst records.
 
thunderkyss said:
Not only did he play weak teams, the NFL was pretty weak all together. The Browns made the playoffs with a 9-7 record, and the Falcons slipped in with a 9-6 record......

Then, that's only 12 sacks in the regular season.......... his thirteenth sack must have occured in the playoffs.

Please....... please don't tell me I have to do the same for Peppers.
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The falcons played 1 less game ? And do they group stats from the regular season and the playoffs?
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I know this is tangent to the point you were making but... suspending a professional football player for ephedrine is just silly. That's almost like suspending someone for drinking too much coffee. It's against the rules because it's a very mild performance enhancer but there's no way ephedrine or ma huang should get you suspended for more than a game (if that.)

If anything, it's just an indictment of his intelligence. I compete in drug tested federations where ephedrine (like caffeine) is only against the rules if you test positive for it on the day you compete and I know to not take anything that will make me test positive. That means no sudafed, primatene, or anything like that for a few days before a meet.

It's not like these are anabolic steroids.

Sorry, the whole "performance enhancing drug" thing is a hot button of mine. I mean, if we're going to ban performance enhancing drugs, then let's make athletes stop using pain-killers and anti-inflammatories, too. And then let's get rid of the pads and helmets... blech.
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I know this is a controversial subject, but I don't mind the NFL being so strict about drug testing. I'd rather a couple of guys get suspended for silly reasons than there be "unfair advantages" going on, whatever you may consider unfair. I just don't want us to be in the same boat as baseball. I couldn't really be into a football game knowing some guys were juiced...if they didn't give any knockout hits that is!
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
The falcons played 1 less game ? And do they group stats from the regular season and the playoffs?
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I don't know what was up with the Falcons 15 game season. But if you click the link, you'll see those are the stats for the 2002 regular season.......... I think.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
Damn, I had forgotten about that. Another reason Mario should be a monster in his first yr. Also ppl comparing Peppers and saying he played in such a weak division. Freeney came in and did it in the same division Mario is going to play in. To those who don't know the record is 13 set by you guessed it Freeney. Also forgive me if I'm ignorant, but when did Peppers become a pass specialist because last time I checked he played great against the run as well.

If we had wanted 6-8 sacks from a rookie we could've lucked out in the second rd.

Sorry cap1 this wasn't all aimed at you I just had to vent a little bit.

Also I ain't no VY lover or RB crusher even though I liked Bush I've acknowledged Mario long before the draft.
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Except Freeny got to play aginst us twice a year! Ya know, an expansion team?
 
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