What do we think of Swinton?

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  1. phan1

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    Well, I personnally thought he played solid last night, at least as a returner. But it seems like others thought he didn't do very well and wouldn't make the team, which really suurprised me. I really liked his patience and how he was able to pick up a lot more yards because of it. Also, shouldn't Mathis be getting in some reps as a returner too? Looks like he still has some stuff to learn at WR, so you might make him useful as a returner right?
     
  2. TopTexanFan16

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    yeah i felt he did really good back thier that night, but mathis is hurt right now and did not play in that game due to a groin or hamstring injury somemthin like that.
     
  3. Texan Gal 312

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    Swinton looked alright on punt returns (similar to JJ) but not so good at WR, meaning he has to make the team as a return specialist which is something the coaching staff seems to want to get away from.
    I would like to see more of Kasper. He looked really good on his one kick off return. (i left before Denvers last kick off, so I don't know what happened there) I don't know if he is a punt returner also. From what i read he has had a good camp at WR.

    I don't think Kasper, Swinton and Mathis all make the team. Right now my guess would be Swinton is out.
     
  4. aj.

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    I saw Mathis on the field a few times at WR.

    Swinton did fine - sure hands - adequate returns - even though historically he's had fumbling problems. He's been the #1 return guy in camp. But, he's really never been a big threat at WR and he's fighting for one of those last spots on the roster. If they decide to use Buchanon for punt returns and Mathis for kickoff returns, it's not good news for Swinton. I think you'll see more of Mathis against Oakland.

    If they carry 5 WR, right now I'd have to say: AJ, Gaffney, Bradford, Mathis, Armstrong.

    I don't think they cut Bradford (yet) because Mathis isn't totally ready and Starling still hasn't leapfrogged Bradford. I think next year you could see AJ, Mathis, Gaffney as the top three. Gaffney will likely qualify for UFA after this season so that adds another factor to the big picture. If Rosenhaus gets stupid with Gaffney's contract, the Texans could elect to keep Armstrong to fill that role.

    Armstrong has great hands and is a possession type receiver (basically the same suite as Gaffney with more leaping ability), if Gaffney is still a red shirt in two to three weeks, Armstrong makes the 53. Armstrong's weakness is that he's not a great contributor on special teams and that's where a guy like Swinton has the advantage. So if the trade came down between Swinton and Armstrong, it's a trade of WR ability for return ability.
     
  5. William.carter

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    Mathis was only in for two plays. His groin/hamstring injury which ever it is, i've heard conflicting reports, started tightening up on him so he was taken out. That's why you didn't see him much and didn't see him at all on return duty.


    I thought swinton showed he's a definite upgrade from Moses. I liked JJ but he just wasn't getting the job done.
     
  6. infantrycak

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    Swinton 7.7 yards per punt return, 19.5 yards per kick return.
    Moses 8.6 yards per punt return, 22.1 yards per kick return.

    Clearly Swinton is an upgrade.
     
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    Swinton showed he had more outright speed than Moses, but as for the moves, Moses has him on that. If Swinton is able to choose a hole faster, he could be a home run hitter on special teams. BUT, Let's not forget folks, he has been with two teams and if he was God's gift to special teams, the other two would have seen just how special he was! Look for Swinton to be the sure hands guy, but Mathis to eventually win the job on kick returns and Buchanon on punts!
     
  8. blockhead83

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    Career Punt Returns for Touchdowns:
    Reggie Swinton: 2
    J.J. Moses: 0

    Career Kick Returns for Touchdowns:
    Reggie Swinton: 2
    J.J. Moses: 0

    The Texans said that they wanted to add big play potential to our return game. Reggie Swinton is obviously superior to J.J. in that respect. Also, I thought Swinton looked good Saturday. He has some good moves and the speed to get down field.
     


  9. infantrycak

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    Well that would help the prior poster out if what he "showed" in the game included a big play--it didn't. As for generally, unfortunately big plays for returners come in two forms--Reggie's include 4 TD's on the upside and 10 fumbles. JJ had 0 TD's but only 2 fumbles. I'm not sure 4 TD's in exchange for 8 more fumbles is obviously superior. IMO Swinton needs to show something as a WR to make the team.
     
  10. z0rpAn

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    youve also got to consider that we focus, or they say we do, a lot on special teams, so swintons stats might show a difference from his past.
     
  11. Diehardtexan

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    What about Kasper and Pitt, I heard that they were doing great from comments made by Caper and Palmer.
     
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    You're probably right as far as Swinton needing to show something as a receiver to make the team. I think Kasper is superior to Swinton as a receiver, and he showed Saturday that he makes a pretty good return man as well. However, I think Swinton is a definite upgrade over Moses. You can teach players to hold onto the ball, it's a little harder to teach them to be faster.

    Also, comparing statistics from Swinton's first pre-season game with us vs. Moses shouldn't be too telling over who's an upgrade. Big plays, touchdowns, on returns don't come too often so you can't expect him to get one in his first pre-season game before labeling him a big play threat. Moses showed very little ability (none, in fact) to hit the home run so to speak, and it's obvious the front office removed him for that reason in favor of players who know how to find the end zone, fumble problems or not. I agree with their decision making.
     
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    That's the thing about our WR depth. Some guys will just get caught up in the numbers. We've got several legitimate #4s and #5s that won't make the team at WR.
     
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    Injuries may make a place for him, otherwise, I don't expect him to make it after his 1st performance.
     
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    Hope I'm not stepping on any toes, but anybody besides J.J. Moses would have been a better returner in my eyes.. Last year's productivity on special teams SUCKED!! If Swinton can at least average better than 8 yards, that would help the offensive production out tremendously! :play: Let's see what the season brings!!! Let's hope it's one of these :trophy: !!

    GO GET EM TEXANS!!! :texflag:
     
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    So averaging over half a yard less than we got last year would help out the offensive production?
     
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    Of course the coaches said they are doing great, but that doesn't mean they will make the team.

    Pitts could end up on the practice squad if he's lucky.

    Kasper is in direct competition with Swinton but I think Swinton has the edge on him at this point, especially if Mathis' injury lingers, since Swinton is capable of returning punts and kickoffs. I may be wrong but I don't think Kasper has ever been a punt returner. His stat page doesn't show it and I haven't seen it in camp.

    They are both average-at-best receivers. Kasper is better than Swinton on coverage teams and always seems to be around the ball or around the play. Kasper struts around like he owns the place and fans seem to notice him, at least when the second or third teams are on the field with him.

    The decision the Texans will need to make is whether to accept the risk of playing P Buc full time at punt returner.

    If they do, then Mathis will likely be the kickoff returner, assuming he heals, and Swinton and Kasper are both gone.

    If they don't, then Swinton has a window of opportunity and Armstrong could be in trouble since he's not a special teams player - or they go into the season with 6 WR.

    I would rather have Armstrong on my roster over Swinton or Kasper any day of the week if you're talking strictly WR skills. But that's not the only driver in this case.
     
  18. rmartin65

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    im pretty sure mathis will heal. its not like he tore it or anyhting, it just got tweaked a little.
     
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    As long as Mathis is healthy and can return punts, I think Swinton is gone. You'll have Mathis and Buchanon as punt returners and since Swinton doesn't bring much to the game as a receiver I don't think they'll keep him. A guy like Kasper would have a better chance of taking that last spot at WR seeing as he can return KO's as well as be a gunner on punts, a jammer on punt returns, and a cover guy on KO's. He also has great hands and surprising speed (for a white guy) and can contribute as a WR. He's lost a couple seasons to injury, but when he's had a chance to play, he's looked good. He's my dark horse contributor to this team.
     
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    4.43 40 yard dash is fast for anyone. Same thing AJ ran I believe.
     

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